Re: F*250-600 repair

[Igor Roshchin]

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:01 AM, SV Hovland 
wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Does someone on this list know where I can find a repair manual for a
> F*250-600 or know how to open it?

Answer for the second part of the question:
If the manual is in PDF, you can open it with e.g. Acrobat Reader.
If it is printed, - you can employ the acient (almost forgotten) technique 
for turning pages with your finger tips.

:-P~~~
;-)

Igor



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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[John Francis]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 05:27:05PM -0600, steve harley wrote:
> on 2013-09-25 14:44 Steve Cottrell wrote
> >OMG that was brilliant.
> 
> amazing, i have seen almost no video of it - broadcast TV is useless
> and my internet connection is too slow to stream much ? but i've
> been following through news channels

NBC Sports Network carried live coverage of every race, which our
TiVo dutifully recorded for us.

While I'd have liked to get up to the city and point a Pentax at
the spectacle, I just couldn't bring myself to dedicate the amount
of time I'd need to stake out a decent photo spot for around 90
minutes of racing (if we were lucky enough to get both races),
especially since with the exception of the last few days most of
the shore-based shots I saw had a significant amount of haze.
And, of course, fan attendance over the last few days has been
much higher, so I'd have had to be in position even earlier!

My opinion is that Oracle had what was basically a quicker boat,
and they learned faster on the water than the Kiwis. Every day
the Team USA boat was noticeably better than the day before.

The Kiwis started off the event with a perhaps a slight edge,
while Oracle were still coming to terms with their equipment.
But the combination of Oracle switching in Ben Ainslie as the
tactician, and the Oracle shore crew being better at changing
the boat overnight to get more speed, tipped the balance the
other way.  Then a little bit of bad luck (like one race being
called because the wind speed got too high, and another one
because the race exceeded the extremely tight time limit) took
what looked like two certain race wins away from the Kiwis,
either one of which would have given them the America's Cup.
That meant more days of racing, and every day Oracle got just
a little bit faster.  Put all that together with some rather
uncharacteristic slips from the usually unflappable Dean Barker
(the NZ helmsman) and the writing was on the wall.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised, by the result. If the
Kiwis had managed to pull off the win my wife and I were
considering a return visit to Auckland in a couple of years.



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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[Brian Walters]

Quoting kwal...@peoplepc.com:


Credit where it's due - he dragged in Sir Ben so that was the key.


I believe that and the constant massaging of the Orcale boat after  
each race, which was apparently more effective than any messaging on  
the Aussie boat. So Sir Ben and boat spped won the cup.





"Aussie Boat"??  There hasn't been an Aussie boat in the AC since the  
Fremantle debacle in 1987.



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Uh rah!

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- Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" 
Subject: Re: OT - ORACLE WIN



On 26/9/13, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:


...and an Australian skipper.




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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[David Mann]

On Sep 26, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Brian Walters  wrote:

> Quoting Paul Stenquist :
> 
>> Brit brains and American dollars, a winning combination.
> 
> ...and an Australian skipper.

...sailing an NZ-built yacht!

(I gotta get something out of this)

Cheers,
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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[David Mann]

On Sep 26, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 25/9/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Boats seem to be the form of transportation that hold the least
>> interest to me.  Mind you, ships can be pretty cool, when you
>> start talking engines bigger than some houses that I've lived in,
>> that's getting pretty cool.
> 
> The sailing in these big catamarans with hydrofoils is superb. Sailing
> racing is a bit like chess - tactics and the ability to think several
> moves ahead are crucial. No engines here mate - wind, water and winning
> ability.

You can say that again.  I'm no sailing enthusiast but I'm still highly 
impressed watching these boats.

Have a read...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC72

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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[David Mann]

On Sep 26, 2013, at 4:24 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

>> Credit where it's due - he dragged in Sir Ben so that was the key.
> 
> I believe that and the constant massaging of the Orcale boat after each race, 
> which was apparently more effective than any messaging on the Aussie boat. So 
> Sir Ben and boat spped won the cup.

Wash your bloody mouth out!

Oh wait, Oracle won... yeah it's an Aussie boat.

;)

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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[kwaller]

Credit where it's due - he dragged in Sir Ben so that was the key.


I believe that and the constant massaging of the Orcale boat after each 
race, which was apparently more effective than any messaging on the Aussie 
boat. So Sir Ben and boat spped won the cup.


Uh rah!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Cottrell" 

Subject: Re: OT - ORACLE WIN



On 26/9/13, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:


...and an Australian skipper.



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Re: Yet another reason I love my K-5s

[Igor Roshchin]

Apparently, this FAQ suggests that people _Frequently_ read it
that way:
http://bluesexchange.com/FAQ/#Blue_Sex_Change

:-)



> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:07:02 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Igor Roshchin 
>
> Larry,
>
> Parsing of the second URL can be tricky:
> Blue Sex Change? ;-)
>
> Similarly, Beatles' song title "Nowhere man" can be parsed as
> "Now Here Man" :-)
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Mon Sep 23 17:41:07 EDT 2013
> Larry Colen wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 08:47:32AM -0400, CollinB wrote:
> > Nice.  Here are two thoughts:
> > 1 - People still dance?  We do, but I don't see many.
>
> I first met Igor in person at a weekend long dance event.
> Last weekend was the San Francisco Lindy exchange, that had about 300
> dancers
> from all over the country (and a few from outside the country as well).
>
> These two websites will point you to events of that size pretty much
> every weekend:
> http://lindyexchange.com
> http://bluesexchange.com
>
> There were three blues and "fusion" dance events on Saturday night.
>

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Re: GESO: Creepy Neighbors (spider alert)

[Yolanda Rowe]

I'd have put my house on the market if either of the ones I shot were
in the house proper. Finding that wolf spider in the breezeway was too
close for comfort. The Dachshund had to take an alternate route for
his walks for a couple of weeks. LOL

Misting lightly with water can help bring out the web.

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Re: GESO: Creepy Neighbors (spider alert)

[John]

On 9/25/2013 9:47 PM, Yolanda Rowe wrote:

John S, I share your 'love' of spiders of any size, and I think they
know it. Sometimes it seems that I have a target on my back. I have
seen some of the largest specimens of my life since we moved to
western Tennessee a few years ago.

Garden spiders are nothing new, but I keep reminding myself that the
fatter they get from eating the bugs, the healthier my flowers should
be. I haven't been able to rationalize the existence of the wolf
spider. This one adds and extra level of freak-out due to its size.

http://yolandarowe.smugmug.com/Photography/PDML/n-LKWPP

Yonnie



I'm not particularly bothered by spiders. That one just took me by
surprise in what should be my safe comfortable place.

I've had problems photographing them before because I've never been
satisfied that I can get the web to show up adequately.

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Re: Photoshop musings

[John]

On 9/25/2013 7:32 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2013-09-24 20:08 John wrote

CS6 Extended Student & Teacher Edition is $344 from Academic Superstore.

Student/Teacher edition qualifies for upgrades just like regular shrink
wrap editions. But I don't know if there's ever going to be a CS7 to
upgrade to.


no, there will never be a CS7; they simply wrote the CS6 upgrade terms
before that was announced; you do need to verfiy student or teacher status




Yeah, I had to do that with another Adobe product when I was a student &
qualified for the student/teacher edition. Maybe it was Lightroom 3.

It wasn't a big deal, I had to fax them a copy of my student ID & the
receipt for my tuition that semester.

Photoshop student/teacher never worked for me because I was already a
registered user & the upgrade price was less than student/teacher. By
the time CS6 came along with the jump to the extended edition I had
already graduated.

Student/teacher was a good deal because they didn't disqualify it from
future upgrades. Maybe they'll see the error of their ways and someday
there will be another version. I don't know, but for now, I'm not
signing up for the clud version.

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Re: GESO: Creepy Neighbors (spider alert)

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Yolanda Rowe :


John S, I share your 'love' of spiders of any size, and I think they
know it. Sometimes it seems that I have a target on my back. I have
seen some of the largest specimens of my life since we moved to
western Tennessee a few years ago.

Garden spiders are nothing new, but I keep reminding myself that the
fatter they get from eating the bugs, the healthier my flowers should
be. I haven't been able to rationalize the existence of the wolf
spider. This one adds and extra level of freak-out due to its size.

http://yolandarowe.smugmug.com/Photography/PDML/n-LKWPP



Creepy little devil - nicely caught... er. captured... er shot


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Re: Benjamin Kanarek switches to D800 but keeps K-01 for video

[P.J. Alling]

Jeez, I'd thought he'd defected years ago.

On 9/25/2013 11:11 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Thought this was interesting. Benjamin Kanarek is a big time fashion
photographer who, up until recently, shot with Pentax K-5. He switched
to the Nikon D800 for his still shooting, which I don't find terribly
surprising.

What I *did* find surprising is that he kept the K-01 for its VIDEO
capabilities. He uses it with a loop monitor and a Pentax 18-250mm
lens. I would never personally buy that lens for still work, but it
does make a heck of a range for video (effective 27mm-375mm). I see
that Pentax has replaced it with a 18-270mm lens which puts you over
400mm effective FOV.

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/professional-photography-publications/236393-pentax-k-01-used-acclaimed-elle-video.html#post2502277

I'm not a big video shooter, but I should compare the wife's K-01 with
my K-5II as a video machine. The K-01's focus peaking can be used in
video mode, yes?




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Re: GESO: Creepy Neighbors (spider alert)

[Yolanda Rowe]

Thanks, Bruce!

I've added my two cents from time-to-time over the years. It's usually
long past the freshness date when I'm reading conversations, so I just
talk to screen to contribute. I think this helps me avoid reviving
dead topics.

Yonnie

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> That's really good; I like the light in it. He's actually pretty colourful.
>
> Are you a recent delurker? Welcome, Yolanda, in any event. :-)
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Yolanda Rowe  wrote:
>> John S, I share your 'love' of spiders of any size, and I think they
>> know it. Sometimes it seems that I have a target on my back. I have
>> seen some of the largest specimens of my life since we moved to
>> western Tennessee a few years ago.
>>
>> Garden spiders are nothing new, but I keep reminding myself that the
>> fatter they get from eating the bugs, the healthier my flowers should
>> be. I haven't been able to rationalize the existence of the wolf
>> spider. This one adds and extra level of freak-out due to its size.
>>
>> http://yolandarowe.smugmug.com/Photography/PDML/n-LKWPP
>>
>> Yonnie
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Re: GESO: Creepy Neighbors (spider alert)

[Bruce Walker]

That's really good; I like the light in it. He's actually pretty colourful.

Are you a recent delurker? Welcome, Yolanda, in any event. :-)


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Yolanda Rowe  wrote:
> John S, I share your 'love' of spiders of any size, and I think they
> know it. Sometimes it seems that I have a target on my back. I have
> seen some of the largest specimens of my life since we moved to
> western Tennessee a few years ago.
>
> Garden spiders are nothing new, but I keep reminding myself that the
> fatter they get from eating the bugs, the healthier my flowers should
> be. I haven't been able to rationalize the existence of the wolf
> spider. This one adds and extra level of freak-out due to its size.
>
> http://yolandarowe.smugmug.com/Photography/PDML/n-LKWPP
>
> Yonnie
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Re: Nice little bit of recognition

[Yolanda Rowe]

Beautiful image. Congratulations!

Yonnie

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> The National Association of Photoshop Professionals currently has one
> of my photos featured as an "Editor's Pick" on their web site. Check
> out the NAPP Members Portfolio Gallery at
> http://members.photoshopuser.com/portfolio/
> (I'm pretty sure non-members can view that part of the site)
> It's my "Cathedral of Trees" shot from Northern Ireland - third from
> the left under the words "Editors Picks".
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GESO: Creepy Neighbors (spider alert)

[Yolanda Rowe]

John S, I share your 'love' of spiders of any size, and I think they
know it. Sometimes it seems that I have a target on my back. I have
seen some of the largest specimens of my life since we moved to
western Tennessee a few years ago.

Garden spiders are nothing new, but I keep reminding myself that the
fatter they get from eating the bugs, the healthier my flowers should
be. I haven't been able to rationalize the existence of the wolf
spider. This one adds and extra level of freak-out due to its size.

http://yolandarowe.smugmug.com/Photography/PDML/n-LKWPP

Yonnie

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Re: October PUG Countdown

[Larry Colen]

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:19:24AM +1000, Brian Walters wrote:
> G'day all
> 
> Only a few days left to submit for the October PUG. So far only 3
> submissions...
> 
> Theme: Animal Kingdom

This one wouldn't qualify, I'm pretty sure that I shot it with 
my SRT-101 rather than my dad's spotmatic, but the theme 
brought it to mind:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157625433586506/

Her name, by the way was "Babe". 

I guess it's possible that that is me holding her, in which
case Dad would have shot it with his camera.
I have enough trouble remembering details after 40 minutes,
never mind nearl 40 years.

> 
> Nom. closing date 30 Sep
> 
> Submit here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
> 
> Submission Guidelines here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
> 
> The main requirements are:
> * Max. pixel dimensions: 800 x 800 pixels
> * Max file size: 300k
> * Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera
> body or lens used is Pentax.
> * If you embed a colour space in the image, it should be sRGB to
> ensure that the image is displayed correctly on line.
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> 
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> 
> ++
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October PUG Countdown

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

Only a few days left to submit for the October PUG. So far only 3  
submissions...


Theme: Animal Kingdom

Nom. closing date 30 Sep

Submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Submission Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

The main requirements are:
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* Max file size: 300k
* Third party equipment is acceptable provided either the camera body  
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Re: PESO industrial man [with working links]

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Thanks, Dan.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> Great portrait of a man in his environment.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:15 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> [Repost with working links.]
>>
>> Nico Skellington is one of the multi-talented folks at Metropolis
>> Factory in The Junction Triangle area of Toronto:
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/9922413143/
>>
>> K20D, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 31mm/f:5, 1/180th, ISO 640.
>> AF540FGZ on camera with StoFen white diffuser.
>>
>> MF is housed in an old power station where they create industrial
>> themed furniture and sculpture from recycled, vintage and found
>> materials. Besides workshops and showrooms, the building is also a
>> large event hosting space.
>>
>> A gallery with more, including previous shown shots from an artisans event:
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157635857960425/
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Re: PESO industrial man [with working links]

[Bruce Walker]

Thanks, Marnie. Fascinating place; even the washrooms are industrial wack.


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:39 AM,   wrote:
> Cool concept. Nice gallery. What's not to like  about old machines, etc.?
> Heh.
>
> Marnie aka Doe  :-)
>
> In a  message dated 9/25/2013 2:15:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes:
> A gallery with more, including previous shown  shots from an artisans
> event:
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157635857960425/
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Re: PESO industrial man [with working links]

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you Bruce. It was a gamble that paid off as I wanted to
emphasize the hard metal with lots of specularity. Could have gone
horribly wrong. :-)


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Bruce  wrote:
> Vey well done.  The pose is compelling and the surroundings help tell a 
> story.  You have done well with the flash.   That is very hard to control 
> with all those reflective surfaces.  Well done.
>
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> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 2:15 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> [Repost with working links.]
>>
>> Nico Skellington is one of the multi-talented folks at Metropolis
>> Factory in The Junction Triangle area of Toronto:
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/9922413143/
>>
>> K20D, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 31mm/f:5, 1/180th, ISO 640.
>> AF540FGZ on camera with StoFen white diffuser.
>>
>> MF is housed in an old power station where they create industrial
>> themed furniture and sculpture from recycled, vintage and found
>> materials. Besides workshops and showrooms, the building is also a
>> large event hosting space.
>>
>> A gallery with more, including previous shown shots from an artisans event:
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157635857960425/
>>
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Re: PESO industrial man [with working links]

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you, Bob.

I agree, computers should have presence and imposing physicality,
preferably grungy. These guys love their steampunk, btw. I'll not be
surprised to see a Difference Engine appear there one day.


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Bob W  wrote:
> That's a very good shot. And that's what computers should look like.
>
> B
>
>> On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:15, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> [Repost with working links.]
>>
>> Nico Skellington is one of the multi-talented folks at Metropolis
>> Factory in The Junction Triangle area of Toronto:
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/9922413143/
>>
>> K20D, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 31mm/f:5, 1/180th, ISO 640.
>> AF540FGZ on camera with StoFen white diffuser.
>>
>> MF is housed in an old power station where they create industrial
>> themed furniture and sculpture from recycled, vintage and found
>> materials. Besides workshops and showrooms, the building is also a
>> large event hosting space.
>>
>> A gallery with more, including previous shown shots from an artisans event:
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157635857960425/
>>
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Re: PESO industrial man

[Bruce Walker]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Attila Boros  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
>> Nico Skellington is one of the multi-talented folks at Metropolis
>> Factory in The Junction Triangle area of Toronto:
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/9922413143/
>
> Very nice portrait, I like the lighting on his face.

Thank you very much, Attila.

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Re: PESO industrial man

[Bruce Walker]

I'm really glad to hear you say that. Thank you, Ken!


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM,   wrote:
> The images all have a great 'feel' to them, if thats possible. Fits the
> subjects well!
>
> Nice work.
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>
> - Original Message - From: "Bruce Walker" 
> Subject: Re: PESO industrial man
>
>
>
>> Darn. Thanks for the heads-up, Frank & John. Use these links:
>>
>> Nico Skellington:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/9922413143/
>>
>> Gallery:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157635857960425/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM, knarf  wrote:
>>>
>>> It keeps telling me (or at least my android) "No photos here".
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> frank
>>>
>>> Bruce Walker  wrote:

 Nico Skellington is one of the multi-talented folks at Metropolis
 Factory in The Junction Triangle area of Toronto:

 http://www.flickriver.com/bruce_m_walker/9922413143/

 K20D, DA* 16-50/2.8 @ 31mm/f:5, 1/180th, ISO 640.
 AF540FGZ on camera with StoFen white diffuser.

 MF is housed in an old power station where they create industrial
 themed furniture and sculpture from recycled, vintage and found
 materials. Besides workshops and showrooms, the building is also a
 large event hosting space.

 A gallery with more, including previous shown shots from an artisans
 event:

 http://www.flickriver.com/bruce_m_walker/sets/72157635857960425/
>>>
>>>
>>> “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel
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Re: Ricoh "what if"

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On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> I prefer vintage glass actually for rendering qualities. ... 

Similar feelings here, for some lenses in particular. Actually, moving away 
from SLR lenses, I find more of the image qualities I like in RF lenses 
overall, at least for the shorter focal lengths. That's one of the reasons I 
moved to TTL mirrorless and Leica RF ... access to lenses that work better to 
my eye. 

I'm truly delighted by the old Zeiss uncoated lenses I've acquired with the 
Robot cameras, and the new-yet-old Voigtländer designs epitomized by the Color 
Skopar 21, 28, 35 and 50 mm. I was just testing the Color Skopar 28mm f/3.5 
with the E-PL1 ... it is such a fine lens. :-)

I don't read shootouts and comparisons very often, and rarely take them 
seriously. They generally don't tell me much. Working with a given lens tells 
me what I want to know. 

>> FourThirds SLR lenses... 
> 
> Are they really still in production? The last new 4/3 lens was 2008. 5
> years ago. I'd be surprised if they were still manufacturing them. I'd
> imagine all "new" stock is just old stock.

Of course, I can't say for sure. But the indications are that they are in 
production and sell in modest but regular quantities. Four-thirds.org keeps 
comprehensive lens listings for FourThirds and Micro-FourThirds, and marks them 
when they are discontinued ... 
http://four-thirds.org/en/fourthirds/lens_chart.html is for FourThirds SLR. 
They seem well connected to the manufacturers. 

Just because new models have not been delivered since 2008 (and I'm not so sure 
of that date, to be honest, I think it was more like 2010) doesn't mean that 
they have sold no new lenses. Remember that the E-5 was new in Fall 2010, and 
they didn't discontinue the E-XX and E-XXX bodies until sometime in the first 
quarter of 2011. There are still likely some NOS of the lower end bodies to be 
sold, and the E-5 was only very recently marked as no longer available at B&H 
Photo. There is a substantial community of professional photographers still who 
use Olympus equipment and buy gear on a regular basis, it's not all just 
consumer sales. 

A downer: what few of the lovely Panasonic/Leica lenses (Vario-Elmarit-D 
14-50/2.8-3.5 ASPH OIS, Vario-Elmarit-D 14-150/3.5-5.6 ASPH OIS, and Summilux-D 
25/1.4 ASPH) that sell today are almost certainly being sourced from what are 
now diminishing existing stocks (they were never very abundantly available to 
begin with), and Sigma has discontinued all of their FourThirds SLR lenses. 
(Not that I have much love for Sigma lenses anyway... ;-)

But the upside is that the Micro-FourThirds world is jumping with great new 
lenses every year. There are about 30 mFT lenses available, more coming from 
three or four vendors. 

The new E-M1 promises to be a very very good body, and completes the fusion of 
the two mounts with the right features to support both. So at this point, if 
FourThirds mount is gone, its fully compatible descendant is going to carry the 
banner for the format AND the lenses for the foreseeable future, and it doesn't 
really matter if the SLR lenses are obsoleted and pass out of production 
forever. The good news is that those who own them ... myself included ... are 
not orphaned as the derivative mount and OEM adapter works just as well, if not 
better, than the original did with the same lenses. And that alone is pretty 
amazing stuff! 

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Re: Bot & Dolly - Box

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Whoa!  Thanks for that Attila.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Attila Boros  wrote:
> An interesting artistic and technical experiment.
> http://www.botndolly.com/box
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Re: Photoshop musings

[steve harley]

on 2013-09-24 20:08 John wrote

CS6 Extended Student & Teacher Edition is $344 from Academic Superstore.

Student/Teacher edition qualifies for upgrades just like regular shrink
wrap editions. But I don't know if there's ever going to be a CS7 to
upgrade to.


no, there will never be a CS7; they simply wrote the CS6 upgrade terms before 
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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> > If you can't find a seagull, you can always twang a cormorant.
> 
> That should be the PDML official oath. As in,
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> "Well twang a cormorant! I lost my lens hood again."
> 
> It should also be Mark!'ed.

Or maybe a T-shirt.

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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[steve harley]

on 2013-09-25 14:44 Steve Cottrell wrote

OMG that was brilliant.


amazing, i have seen almost no video of it - broadcast TV is useless and my 
internet connection is too slow to stream much — but i've been following 
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Bob W  wrote:
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> If you can't find a seagull, you can always twang a cormorant.

That should be the PDML official oath. As in,

"Well twang a cormorant! I lost my lens hood again."

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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/9/13, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Brit brains and American dollars, a winning combination.

Sadly only 1 American sailor on the boat! But this is why this needs to
strike out at the youngsters and get them involved in sailing -
tomorrows Cup winners.

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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[Steve Cottrell]

On 26/9/13, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:

>...and an Australian skipper.

Credit where it's due - he dragged in Sir Ben so that was the key.

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Re: Ricoh "what if"

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Many pre-digital SLR lenses do work very well indeed. Few to none work as 
> well as lenses which are optimized for digital sensors with respect to 
> measurable lens performance criteria. However, I often use older lenses 
> because they have pleasing aberrations, image rendering, and quirks that I 
> like—so what "works well" is a judgement call beyond simplistic performance 
> measurement.
>

I prefer vintage glass actually for rendering qualities. I find newer
lenses a bit too clinical in their rendering IMO. And I'm talking
about how the lens paints the image. I like a bit of character in
there. A lot of classic lens designs have a look that is very much
missing IMO. I would also put my M28/3.5 or M50/1.4 against any modern
lenses. Asides from better flare resistance which the old primes are
somewhat lacking in, I don't think there is much to complain about
with many of the old primes. CA seems somewhat problematic in some
cases (like that FA24 you mention), but then I get more CA from modern
digitally "corrected" zooms. BTW, in a recent shootout of 24mm lenses,
the only two that came close to the canon L lens were an old Olympus
OM 24 2.8 and the Sigma superwide 2 looked pretty decent too. The
Pentax FA*24 2.0 was out of the race from the start.

> FourThirds SLR lenses, however, are a) still in production, and b) capable of 
> being used on other bodies with an OEM adapter for their full function. They 
> are fully supported by more than one manufacturer for parts and service. 
> People are still buying them to use on new bodies. I'd hardly call that "dead 
> and buried". They are in the process of being obsoleted, however, as their 
> replacements for the new, derivative lens mount are brought to market. But 
> obsolete isn't a criteria for dead and buried IMO.

Are they really still in production? The last new 4/3 lens was 2008. 5
years ago. I'd be surprised if they were still manufacturing them. I'd
imagine all "new" stock is just old stock.

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Re: Bot & Dolly - Box

[Darren Addy]

*mind blown*

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Very interesting! With the James Turrell exhibit at the Guggenheim so recent 
> and still in my head, it jumped out at me.
>
> G
>
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Attila Boros  wrote:
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>> An interesting artistic and technical experiment.
>> http://www.botndolly.com/box
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Re: OT - Anyone publish a BLURB book starting with their own PDF ?

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:03 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark Roberts
>>  wrote:
>>> Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>>>
 IF so, how did you convey that to Blurb?  all I could find were templates
>>>
>>> I'm coming in late here but, as Godfrey said, if you want to upload to
>>> Blurb in PDF you really have to build your project around one of their
>>> templates from the start.
>>
>> Does that mean when i get reawdy to publish my memoir book, done in
>> Word, i have to save as PDF. I'm now were close but just wondering
>
> No.
>
> It means that if you want to use a PDF workflow with Blurb, I would suggest 
> going to the Blurb.com website right away and reading up on how to 
> successfully create a book that you submit using PDF files. Do it early, 
> before you invest too much work into the design and finishing of your book 
> project as you will almost certainly have to re-do things if you don't 
> understand the process and workflow.
>
> For MOST books, unless you have something extraordinary you want to produce, 
> I'd start with their Booksmart application or use Lightroom (for photo books) 
> and see if the options and capabilities they offer do what you need. A PDF 
> workflow is more work, but if you're good with Adobe InDesign or other PDF 
> tools, it allows you to do a lot of things that aren't in the capability of 
> the available templates.
>
> G

Thanks.

Mine will be mostly text with scanned photos of jobs done in the past
at the back.

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Re: Bot & Dolly - Box

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Very interesting! With the James Turrell exhibit at the Guggenheim so recent 
and still in my head, it jumped out at me. 

G

On Sep 25, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Attila Boros  wrote:

> An interesting artistic and technical experiment.
> http://www.botndolly.com/box


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Re: OT - Anyone publish a BLURB book starting with their own PDF ?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:03 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>> Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>> 
>>> IF so, how did you convey that to Blurb?  all I could find were templates
>> 
>> I'm coming in late here but, as Godfrey said, if you want to upload to
>> Blurb in PDF you really have to build your project around one of their
>> templates from the start.
> 
> Does that mean when i get reawdy to publish my memoir book, done in
> Word, i have to save as PDF. I'm now were close but just wondering

No. 

It means that if you want to use a PDF workflow with Blurb, I would suggest 
going to the Blurb.com website right away and reading up on how to successfully 
create a book that you submit using PDF files. Do it early, before you invest 
too much work into the design and finishing of your book project as you will 
almost certainly have to re-do things if you don't understand the process and 
workflow. 

For MOST books, unless you have something extraordinary you want to produce, 
I'd start with their Booksmart application or use Lightroom (for photo books) 
and see if the options and capabilities they offer do what you need. A PDF 
workflow is more work, but if you're good with Adobe InDesign or other PDF 
tools, it allows you to do a lot of things that aren't in the capability of the 
available templates. 

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Re: OT - Anyone publish a BLURB book starting with their own PDF ?

[David J Brooks]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark Roberts
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> Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>
>>IF so, how did you convey that to Blurb?  all I could find were templates
>
> I'm coming in late here but, as Godfrey said, if you want to upload to
> Blurb in PDF you really have to build your project around one of their
> templates from the start.

Does that mean when i get reawdy to publish my memoir book, done in
Word, i have to save as PDF. I'm now were close but just wondering

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Re: PESO - Checking the Accommodation

[Brian Walters]

Quoting knarf :


Lovely colours, lovely birds!



Yes they are!

Thanks for looking Frank - and Dan.


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Cheers,
frank

Brian Walters  wrote:

Quoting eactiv...@aol.com:


Really nice shot. I'd darken it up just a  little, seems a bit washed

out.


Thanks, Marnie.  It looks OK here - best I check my monitor...


Cheers

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HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-)

In a  message dated 9/23/2013 3:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
apathy...@lyons-ryan.org writes:
G'day all

Here's one taken in my  backyard and not on my USA  trip:



https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP4839-K5-1peso.ht

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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Paul Stenquist :


Brit brains and American dollars, a winning combination.



...and an Australian skipper.



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Paul via phone


On Sep 25, 2013, at 4:44 PM, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:

OMG that was brilliant.

Sir Ben Ainslie to you ;-)

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 05:16:20PM -0400, John wrote:
> On 9/25/2013 11:18 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> >On 24/9/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> >>I heard a rumour that there's going to be an even better new rumour
> >>coming out about the rumor of a new camera soon.
> >
> >That rumour is purely rumour.
> >
> 
> ... a sigh is just a sigh.

Are you trying the new rumor on for sighs?



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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[Paul Stenquist]

Brit brains and American dollars, a winning combination.

Paul via phone

> On Sep 25, 2013, at 4:44 PM, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:
> 
> OMG that was brilliant.
> 
> Sir Ben Ainslie to you ;-)
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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/9/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Boats seem to be the form of transportation that hold the least
>interest to me.  Mind you, ships can be pretty cool, when you
>start talking engines bigger than some houses that I've lived in,
>that's getting pretty cool.

The sailing in these big catamarans with hydrofoils is superb. Sailing
racing is a bit like chess - tactics and the ability to think several
moves ahead are crucial. No engines here mate - wind, water and winning
ability.

>
>Would you care to summarize the America's cup story?  
>Was your comment about some manuever in particular that brought the
>win?

Oracle Team USA brought in Brit Ben Ainslie as rteam tactician after
trailing about half the races over a 19 race series. They then won every
race following, back to back, and won the final race today to take the
oldest sporting trophy in history.

Until now most sailing racing wasn't really classed as a spectator
sport, but these new boats change a lot.

Search Youtube and have a look at some of the action. Not for everyone,
but anyone who's ever been sailing will be hooked.

Cheers!



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Re: Yet another reason I love my K-5s

[John]

On 9/25/2013 4:03 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Igor Roshchin wrote:



Larry,

Parsing of the second URL can be tricky:
Blue Sex Change? ;-)


Now THAT would be a great name for a band!




Unfortunately, it's already been done.

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Re: Ricoh "what if"

[John]

On 9/25/2013 4:45 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I've been thinking about upcoming cameras from a Pentax-centric point
of view.  We keep asking for a Pentax "full frame" camera, and the
latest rumors seem to have being mirrorless.  There are a lot of
technical advantages in terms of light path to mirrorless, and there is
the advantage of you see what the sensor sees.
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You are mistaken, fortunately. There are no rumors regarding a
mirrorless Pentax "full frame" camera, as there are none regarding an
APS-C mirrorless. What you read was the mirrorless fans propadanda -
no offense to all those nice people who happen to prefer mirrorless
cameras, but won't shout loudly about how DSLRs should die.
On the contrary, in an interview the then-Pentax Ricoh Imaging's Head
of Business Development, Mr. Toshiyuki Kitazawa, was saying "it was
our conclusion that APS-C should be the utmost size for mirrorless
segment" (thanks to lensroar @ Pentaxforums for the translation).

Regards,
Alex



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Re: OT A story of note

[John]

A banjo player left his "instrument" on the back seat of his car when he
spent the day at Disneyland. He forgot to lock the car before entering
the park. When he returned, he discovered someone had been into his car
and left two more banjos.

Q: What is the epitome of optimism?
A: An accordion player with a pager.

On 9/25/2013 4:01 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Q: How do you know the stage is level at a blue grass festival?

A: The Banjo player is drooling out of both sides of his mouth.

On 9/25/2013 2:53 PM, John wrote:

On 9/24/2013 11:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


I'll have to take your word for it. I'm not a musician, just a guitar
player.


What's the difference between a musician and a large pizza? A large
pizza can feed a family of four.




Q: How do you know if a drummer is at your front door?
A: The knock speeds up.

Q: How do you get rid of the drummer at your front door?
A: Pay for the pizza.

Q: What do you call a drummer who doesn't have a girl-friend?
A: Homeless.

Q: In what way is the accordion superior to the banjo?
A: It burns longer & gives a brighter flame.

Q: How do you shut up a guitar player?
A: Make him play from sheet music.






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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[John]

On 9/25/2013 3:44 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/9/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:


And, yes -- I agree about the pick guard. I guess I view instruments the
way I do my cameras. I try not to obsess over protecting them from
little nicks and dings. They're inevitable if you actually use them. My
old Jasmine acoustic (Takamine's budget badge) had a battle scar within
two weeks of purchase, and after the first "Grrr . . ." I was over it.
It still played and sounded fine, and actually got some use -- unlike my
friend's Martin, which sits in a corner like a showpiece until I come
over to play it.

John mentioned that you don't have to be a pro to have a nice guitar any
more than you need to be a pro to have a good camera and lenses, and he
does have a point. But, something about my friend's Martin just offends
me. I guess it's the sense that you really ought to /earn/ the right to
have a nice instrument like that. As it is, my friend wants me to teach
him how to play. I shouldn't have to teach a Martin owner how to play!
And, frankly, I don't know what the hell I'm doing and wouldn't know
where to begin in teaching someone else how to play. I started by
borrowing a chord book, using another friend's guitar, and a portable
cassette player with "music search" rewind and fast-forward.


here here brother.

Same here except I bought a chord book!!

Ever notice that the older you get, the faster your brain commands your
fingers to pick, biut the slower the fingers actually go? I've got a
damn finger mutiny on my hands ;-)



Have either of you been playing long enough to remember Mel Bay's Guitar
Method & Black Diamond strings?

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[John]

On 9/25/2013 11:18 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 24/9/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:


I heard a rumour that there's going to be an even better new rumour
coming out about the rumor of a new camera soon.


That rumour is purely rumour.



... a sigh is just a sigh.

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[John]

On 9/25/2013 2:14 PM, Bob W wrote:

On 25 Sep 2013, at 19:06, Walt  wrote:


Sorry. I can be a little a-caustic at times.

In any event, this is what I'm contemplating as my next guitar:

http://www.musicradar.com/us/reviews/guitars/lag-tramontane-t66a-363835

It seems to get rave reviews in the bang-for-buck category. I'll check to see 
if they have any Seagull's in stock to play with, but for now the Lâg is 
awfully tempting for the price.



If you can't find a seagull, you can always twang a cormorant.

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If Aahz is going to pull Blues Brothers references into the thread, a 
penguin would be more appropriate.


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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[Darren Addy]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57604662/oracle-team-usa-caps-stunning-comeback-to-win-americas-cup/

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 09:44:36PM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> OMG that was brilliant.
>>
>> Sir Ben Ainslie to you ;-)
>
> Boats seem to be the form of transportation that hold the least
> interest to me.  Mind you, ships can be pretty cool, when you
> start talking engines bigger than some houses that I've lived in,
> that's getting pretty cool.
>
> Would you care to summarize the America's cup story?
> Was your comment about some manuever in particular that brought the
> win?
>
> Was this just a case of team Marine World needing to sort out a
> few bugs in their system, so that they started out getting their
> aft kicked, then once they sorted things out they were unstoppable?
>
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Re: PESO A scene from near the end of my walk.

[Eric Weir]

On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Bob W  wrote:

>> As I said to my sister, "I was going to say this is almost like Europe." 
> 
> It is Europe!

Yes, it would have been a silly thing to say.

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Re: KEH has several FA* 24mm f2.0

[John]

I dunno. I've seen them every time I've looked there for the last 3 
months at least, and probably longer than that.


On 9/25/2013 1:28 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

AND the moment I hit send, KEH goes down for "scheduled maintenance".
Their phone number is: (770) 333-4200


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:

Not a lens you see available every day, but if anybody is in the
market, KEH has several ATTM, from $599 to 665 in EX to EX+ condition.
http://goo.gl/Zi7q7z

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Re: Yet another reason I love my K-5s

[Larry Colen]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 05:04:36PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> 
> Wed Sep 25 16:36:03 EDT 2013
> Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 03:07:02PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> > > 
> > > Larry,
> > > 
> > > Parsing of the second URL can be tricky:
> > > Blue Sex Change? ;-)
> > 
> > Which makes it quite a bit more memorable than http://bluescal.com
> > which also works.
> > 
> > You may know Michelle Richter, who is both a massage therapist, 
> > as well as one of the top blues dance instructors.  Her website
> > is http://bluestherapist.com
> 
> 
> HAR! :-)
> 
> I know Michelle, but didn't know her website.

She's a great instructor. If you ever get the chance, 
I highly recommend her privates.


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Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

[Larry Colen]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 09:44:36PM +0100, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> OMG that was brilliant.
> 
> Sir Ben Ainslie to you ;-)

Boats seem to be the form of transportation that hold the least
interest to me.  Mind you, ships can be pretty cool, when you
start talking engines bigger than some houses that I've lived in,
that's getting pretty cool.

Would you care to summarize the America's cup story?  
Was your comment about some manuever in particular that brought the
win?

Was this just a case of team Marine World needing to sort out a
few bugs in their system, so that they started out getting their
aft kicked, then once they sorted things out they were unstoppable?

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Re: Yet another reason I love my K-5s

[Igor Roshchin]

Wed Sep 25 16:36:03 EDT 2013
Larry Colen wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 03:07:02PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> > 
> > Larry,
> > 
> > Parsing of the second URL can be tricky:
> > Blue Sex Change? ;-)
> 
> Which makes it quite a bit more memorable than http://bluescal.com
> which also works.
> 
> You may know Michelle Richter, who is both a massage therapist, 
> as well as one of the top blues dance instructors.  Her website
> is http://bluestherapist.com


HAR! :-)

I know Michelle, but didn't know her website.

Igor


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Re: OT: 5-star book on reading musical notation free until Friday

[John]

Everyone in the school I went to was automatically enrolled in band in 
the 4th grade, and they had instruments to loan out if your parents 
couldn't afford to rent a better instrument (hire purchase or rent-to-own).


All the other 4th grade students got wind instruments or percussion. I 
got the double bass, which was quickly switched to the cello when it 
became obvious I had no way to transport the instrument from school to 
home and back for practice & lessons.


Not to mention I didn't have a ladder at home to stand on so I could 
reach the fingerboard. I was less than 5 ft tall then.


I know I learned the fundamentals of reading music, but I could not 
carry on with the cello after the first year of free lessons. I have 
some vague memories, but today, I'm hopelessly lost with sheet music.



On 9/25/2013 1:06 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks for the link!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:

This is wildly off-topic, but since a few of us PDMLers are learning
guitar, this is a book that every guitar player should download
(particular since it is temporarily priced at $0.00 and it is given
5-stars by 46 out of 47 reviewers on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Music-Fundamentals-ebook/dp/B00F0W4J3W/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

This is the author's youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/yourguitarsage

As you probably already know, Kindle books are readable with Kindle
apps (available for desktops, phones & tablets of all flavors...
google it)

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Re: PESO A scene from near the end of my walk.

[Eric Weir]

On Sep 25, 2013, at 2:14 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

> Lovely scene, well captured.

Thanks, Dan.

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OT - ORACLE WIN

[Steve Cottrell]

OMG that was brilliant.

Sir Ben Ainslie to you ;-)

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Re: OT - Anyone publish a BLURB book starting with their own PDF ?

[Mark Roberts]

Ann Sanfedele wrote:

>IF so, how did you convey that to Blurb?  all I could find were templates

I'm coming in late here but, as Godfrey said, if you want to upload to
Blurb in PDF you really have to build your project around one of their
templates from the start.
 
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Re: Yet another reason I love my K-5s

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 03:07:02PM -0400, Igor Roshchin wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> 
> Parsing of the second URL can be tricky:
> Blue Sex Change? ;-)

Which makes it quite a bit more memorable than http://bluescal.com
which also works.

You may know Michelle Richter, who is both a massage therapist, 
as well as one of the top blues dance instructors.  Her website
is http://bluestherapist.com


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Re: Ricoh "what if"

[Larry Colen]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 01:03:13PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> 

> But obsolete isn't a criteria for dead and buried IMO. 

A signficant percentage of the PDML are examples of the difference
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Bot & Dolly - Box

[Attila Boros]

An interesting artistic and technical experiment.
http://www.botndolly.com/box

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Re: Ricoh "what if"

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Sep 25, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu 
 wrote:

>> The M mount has a short registration, but the lenses designed for the M 
>> mount were not originally designed for a digital sensor. That's the issue 
>> there, not the short registration. The reason a short registration distance 
>> is favorable to digital sensors is that you can design the lens to have more 
>> elements behind the primary nodal point to help re-direct the light path 
>> across the image field to intercept the sensor orthogonally.
> 
> In theory, I agree - but for compatibility reasons I don't expect this
> to change. Does it mean the future lenses should be designed in the
> same manner?

It means that, in the future, lenses should be designed with the light path 
optimized for digital sensors in mind. This has no influence on their use with 
film cameras, if such use is desired. If the manufacturer continues to desire 
compatibility with older lenses for new bodies, it means that sensor 
customization and optimization to include those older lenses must be 
incorporated as well. 

>> This was not a consideration in designing lenses for use with film, and for 
>> compactness reasons (amongst others) RF film camera lenses were designed 
>> with very tight primary nodal point to imaging plane distances. SLR film 
>> camera lenses had to clear the swinging mirror, which was the primary reason 
>> for the deep mount registration and fostered lens designed that were 
>> 'naturally' more akin to digital sensor lens designs.
> Precisely; it was a coincidence but the "old" lenses - the better ones
> - are working quite well for digital sensors, because of this. With
> the large focal range specific to a DSLR, using offset microlenses
> would not be an option.

Offset micro-lenses is only one implementation available to optimize a sensor 
for older lenses. It's not the one being used by Leica in the M Type 240, for 
instance. Canon used offset micro-lenses in their first full-frame DSLR, but it 
raised some interesting issues with specifically the shorter focal lengths that 
they were trying to correct for. They've changed designs since then too. 

> The telecentricity Olympus loudly promoted was a natural
> characteristic of the classic SLR lenses.

No, it isn't. SLR lenses are not necessarily telecentric designs. See 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecentric_lens for a simple definition of a 
telecentric lens design. 

SLR lens designs have to clear the swinging mirror, which with short focal 
lengths tends to mean using a retrofocus or inverted-telephoto design to 
project the primary nodal point to the rear of the lens allowing the hard bits 
to move forward out of the way of the mirror, rather than a symmetric design 
which tends to have hard bits projecting deep into the camera as focal length 
decreases. A side-effect of these SLR short-focal-length lens designs is that 
they're more easily compatible with digital sensors because of this. (For 
instance, the Pentax FA24/2 AL ... a terrific lens on film ... performed poorly 
on digital sensors, showing both lateral and longitudinal chromatic 
aberrations, issues with corner sharpness, etc. Other SLR lenses have done 
better.)

Many pre-digital SLR lenses do work very well indeed. Few to none work as well 
as lenses which are optimized for digital sensors with respect to measurable 
lens performance criteria. However, I often use older lenses because they have 
pleasing aberrations, image rendering, and quirks that I like—so what "works 
well" is a judgement call beyond simplistic performance measurement.

> I'm afraid it is; with no new FourThirds lenses since 2008, and the
> 2010's E-5 being replaced by the EM-1, as Olympus says. Maybe not
> "buried", but they're definitely phasing it out.
> Being able to adapt your lenses on another mount doesn't change this.

I guess you want to debate the meaning of "dead and buried."

To me, dead and buried means the bodies that take a lens' mount are out of 
production, and the lens cannot be used on any other in-production body, with 
or without adapter, and provide the lens full functionality. Most dead and 
buried lens mounts are also out of production, although there are some 
exceptions. For example, Pentax M42 lenses are "dead and buried" as there are 
no longer any bodies being manufactured that can be used with them and provide 
the full features of the mount (auto-diaphragm, open aperture metering, etc). 
Canon FL/FD lenses are dead and buried, as are Minolta MC/MD, Leica R, Exacta, 
Konica AR, Beseler Topcon, and probably a host of others. 

FourThirds SLR lenses, however, are a) still in production, and b) capable of 
being used on other bodies with an OEM adapter for their full function. They 
are fully supported by more than one manufacturer for parts and service. People 
are still buying them to use on new bodies. I'd hardly call that "dead and 
buried". They are in the process of being obsoleted, however, as their 
repl

Re: PESO industrial man

[Attila Boros]

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Nico Skellington is one of the multi-talented folks at Metropolis
> Factory in The Junction Triangle area of Toronto:
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/bruce_m_walker/9922413143/

Very nice portrait, I like the lighting on his face.

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Re: Yet another reason I love my K-5s

[Mark Roberts]

Igor Roshchin wrote:

>
>Larry,
>
>Parsing of the second URL can be tricky:
>Blue Sex Change? ;-)

Now THAT would be a great name for a band!
 
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Re: OT A story of note

[P.J. Alling]

Q: How do you know the stage is level at a blue grass festival?

A: The Banjo player is drooling out of both sides of his mouth.

On 9/25/2013 2:53 PM, John wrote:

On 9/24/2013 11:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


I'll have to take your word for it. I'm not a musician, just a guitar
player.


What's the difference between a musician and a large pizza? A large
pizza can feed a family of four.




Q: How do you know if a drummer is at your front door?
A: The knock speeds up.

Q: How do you get rid of the drummer at your front door?
A: Pay for the pizza.

Q: What do you call a drummer who doesn't have a girl-friend?
A: Homeless.

Q: In what way is the accordion superior to the banjo?
A: It burns longer & gives a brighter flame.

Q: How do you shut up a guitar player?
A: Make him play from sheet music.




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Re: OT A story of note

[Paul Stenquist]

And of course: What do you call someone who likes to hang around with musicians?
A drummer.


On Sep 25, 2013, at 2:53 PM, John  wrote:

> On 9/24/2013 11:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> John wrote:
>> 
>>> I'll have to take your word for it. I'm not a musician, just a guitar
>>> player.
>> 
>> What's the difference between a musician and a large pizza? A large
>> pizza can feed a family of four.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Q: How do you know if a drummer is at your front door?
> A: The knock speeds up.
> 
> Q: How do you get rid of the drummer at your front door?
> A: Pay for the pizza.
> 
> Q: What do you call a drummer who doesn't have a girl-friend?
> A: Homeless.
> 
> Q: In what way is the accordion superior to the banjo?
> A: It burns longer & gives a brighter flame.
> 
> Q: How do you shut up a guitar player?
> A: Make him play from sheet music.
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Re: Yet another reason I love my K-5s

[Bob W]

On 25 Sep 2013, at 20:07, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
> 
> 
> Larry,
> 
> Parsing of the second URL can be tricky:
> Blue Sex Change? ;-)
> 
> Similarly, Beatles' song title "Nowhere man" can be parsed as
> "Now Here Man" :-)
> 

If you play it backwards it says skhrizzhnmphfwhabweeblephnurrmmkh, which is 
Vogon for 'can you get me a packet of fags on the way back, please. And by the 
way, Paul is dead'.

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/9/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>And, yes -- I agree about the pick guard. I guess I view instruments the 
>way I do my cameras. I try not to obsess over protecting them from 
>little nicks and dings. They're inevitable if you actually use them. My 
>old Jasmine acoustic (Takamine's budget badge) had a battle scar within 
>two weeks of purchase, and after the first "Grrr . . ." I was over it. 
>It still played and sounded fine, and actually got some use -- unlike my 
>friend's Martin, which sits in a corner like a showpiece until I come 
>over to play it.
>
>John mentioned that you don't have to be a pro to have a nice guitar any 
>more than you need to be a pro to have a good camera and lenses, and he 
>does have a point. But, something about my friend's Martin just offends 
>me. I guess it's the sense that you really ought to /earn/ the right to 
>have a nice instrument like that. As it is, my friend wants me to teach 
>him how to play. I shouldn't have to teach a Martin owner how to play! 
>And, frankly, I don't know what the hell I'm doing and wouldn't know 
>where to begin in teaching someone else how to play. I started by 
>borrowing a chord book, using another friend's guitar, and a portable 
>cassette player with "music search" rewind and fast-forward.

here here brother.

Same here except I bought a chord book!!

Ever notice that the older you get, the faster your brain commands your
fingers to pick, biut the slower the fingers actually go? I've got a
damn finger mutiny on my hands ;-)

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> On 25/9/13, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>I recently took my 12 string out of the closet and started trying to
>>play it again.  My fingers are still bloody.
> 
> h sympathy.
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Re: Yet another reason I love my K-5s

[Igor Roshchin]

Larry,

Parsing of the second URL can be tricky:
Blue Sex Change? ;-)

Similarly, Beatles' song title "Nowhere man" can be parsed as
"Now Here Man" :-)


Cheers!


Mon Sep 23 17:41:07 EDT 2013
Larry Colen wrote:

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 08:47:32AM -0400, CollinB wrote:
> Nice.  Here are two thoughts:
> 1 - People still dance?  We do, but I don't see many.

I first met Igor in person at a weekend long dance event.
Last weekend was the San Francisco Lindy exchange, that had about 300
dancers
from all over the country (and a few from outside the country as well).

These two websites will point you to events of that size pretty much
every weekend:
http://lindyexchange.com
http://bluesexchange.com

There were three blues and "fusion" dance events on Saturday night.


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Re: OT A story of note

[Eactivist]

You rang?

Marnie aka Doe ;-)

In a  message dated 9/25/2013 1:32:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
chris.mitch...@which.net writes:
On 25 September 2013 00:23, Steve Cottrell   wrote:
> On 24/9/13, Larry Colen,  discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>That's where I found it and  shared it.
>
> D'oh!
>
...a deer, a female deer?  


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Re: OT A story of note

[John]

On 9/24/2013 11:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


I'll have to take your word for it. I'm not a musician, just a guitar
player.


What's the difference between a musician and a large pizza? A large
pizza can feed a family of four.




Q: How do you know if a drummer is at your front door?
A: The knock speeds up.

Q: How do you get rid of the drummer at your front door?
A: Pay for the pizza.

Q: What do you call a drummer who doesn't have a girl-friend?
A: Homeless.

Q: In what way is the accordion superior to the banjo?
A: It burns longer & gives a brighter flame.

Q: How do you shut up a guitar player?
A: Make him play from sheet music.

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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On 9/25/2013 1:30 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/9/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:


In any event, this is what I'm contemplating as my next guitar:

http://www.musicradar.com/us/reviews/guitars/lag-tramontane-t66a-363835

It seems to get rave reviews in the bang-for-buck category. I'll check
to see if they have any Seagull's in stock to play with, but for now the
Lâg is awfully tempting for the price.

Nice! My lad has a Canadian guitar looks very similar.

This is my mando:



Took the pick guard off, can't stand all that rubbish. Don't like the
machine heads so will replace those in time. As I say, got a different
bridge and the nice thing is with a beater you don't mind bashing it
about the place! It doubles as a drum ;-)


That's a beautiful instrument, Cotty!

And, yes -- I agree about the pick guard. I guess I view instruments the 
way I do my cameras. I try not to obsess over protecting them from 
little nicks and dings. They're inevitable if you actually use them. My 
old Jasmine acoustic (Takamine's budget badge) had a battle scar within 
two weeks of purchase, and after the first "Grrr . . ." I was over it. 
It still played and sounded fine, and actually got some use -- unlike my 
friend's Martin, which sits in a corner like a showpiece until I come 
over to play it.


John mentioned that you don't have to be a pro to have a nice guitar any 
more than you need to be a pro to have a good camera and lenses, and he 
does have a point. But, something about my friend's Martin just offends 
me. I guess it's the sense that you really ought to /earn/ the right to 
have a nice instrument like that. As it is, my friend wants me to teach 
him how to play. I shouldn't have to teach a Martin owner how to play! 
And, frankly, I don't know what the hell I'm doing and wouldn't know 
where to begin in teaching someone else how to play. I started by 
borrowing a chord book, using another friend's guitar, and a portable 
cassette player with "music search" rewind and fast-forward.


/rant

-- Walt

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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- Original Message - 
From: "Walt" 

Subject: Re: You didn't hear it from me...



Sorry. I can be a little a-caustic at times.

..

Yes but you're not high strung

On 9/25/2013 12:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

You've got to admit though, he's got pluck.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:

Don't strike a sour note, Walt.

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Walt  wrote:

You guys are nuts.


On 9/25/2013 11:49 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Pick, pick, pick...

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM,   wrote:

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- Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" 



Subject: Re: You didn't hear it from me...



On 25/9/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

That sounds like Coty.always looking for a way to make a little 
lute.


Yeah but I do fret a lot


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Re: OT: 125 years of National Geographic Stunning photography

[kwaller]

On my Inside Passage trip last year I shot along side Paul Nicklin, (image # 
8) a genuinely nice guy and not a highbrow by any means.


Most are remarkable images but McCurry's is my favorite.

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Subject: Re: OT: 125 years of National Geographic Stunning photography



Yes;  it arrived in the mail yesterday at my house as well.

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Steve Cottrell  
wrote:

On 25/9/13, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:



That issue has just plopped on the mat :)

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/9/13, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I recently took my 12 string out of the closet and started trying to
>play it again.  My fingers are still bloody.

h sympathy.

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/9/13, Walt, discombobulated, unleashed:

>In any event, this is what I'm contemplating as my next guitar:
>
>http://www.musicradar.com/us/reviews/guitars/lag-tramontane-t66a-363835
>
>It seems to get rave reviews in the bang-for-buck category. I'll check 
>to see if they have any Seagull's in stock to play with, but for now the 
>Lâg is awfully tempting for the price.

Nice! My lad has a Canadian guitar looks very similar.

This is my mando:



Took the pick guard off, can't stand all that rubbish. Don't like the
machine heads so will replace those in time. As I say, got a different
bridge and the nice thing is with a beater you don't mind bashing it
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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On 9/25/2013 1:14 PM, Bob W wrote:

On 25 Sep 2013, at 19:06, Walt  wrote:

Sorry. I can be a little a-caustic at times.

In any event, this is what I'm contemplating as my next guitar:

http://www.musicradar.com/us/reviews/guitars/lag-tramontane-t66a-363835

It seems to get rave reviews in the bang-for-buck category. I'll check to see 
if they have any Seagull's in stock to play with, but for now the Lâg is 
awfully tempting for the price.


If you can't find a seagull, you can always twang a cormorant.

B

Ha! Or maybe I could learn a few Cormorant songs on my crusty Yamaha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cormorant_%28band%29

I wonder if any of our Bay Area PDML denizens have seen/heard those guys.

-- Walt

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Re: OT: 125 years of National Geographic Stunning photography

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Steve Cottrell wrote:

>On 25/9/13, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>stunning-photography-since-1888-1380118227-slideshow/>
>
>That issue has just plopped on the mat :)

Sounds disgusting...
 
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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On 25 Sep 2013, at 19:06, Walt  wrote:
> 
> Sorry. I can be a little a-caustic at times.
> 
> In any event, this is what I'm contemplating as my next guitar:
> 
> http://www.musicradar.com/us/reviews/guitars/lag-tramontane-t66a-363835
> 
> It seems to get rave reviews in the bang-for-buck category. I'll check to see 
> if they have any Seagull's in stock to play with, but for now the Lâg is 
> awfully tempting for the price.
> 

If you can't find a seagull, you can always twang a cormorant.

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Re: OT: 125 years of National Geographic Stunning photography

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Yes;  it arrived in the mail yesterday at my house as well.

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 25/9/13, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>  stunning-photography-since-1888-1380118227-slideshow/>
>
> That issue has just plopped on the mat :)
>
> --
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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I recently took my 12 string out of the closet and started trying to
play it again.  My fingers are still bloody.

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Walt  wrote:
> Sorry. I can be a little a-caustic at times.
>
> In any event, this is what I'm contemplating as my next guitar:
>
> http://www.musicradar.com/us/reviews/guitars/lag-tramontane-t66a-363835
>
> It seems to get rave reviews in the bang-for-buck category. I'll check to
> see if they have any Seagull's in stock to play with, but for now the Lâg is
> awfully tempting for the price.
>
> -- Walt
>
>
> On 9/25/2013 12:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> You've got to admit though, he's got pluck.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't strike a sour note, Walt.
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Walt  wrote:

 You guys are nuts.


 On 9/25/2013 11:49 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>
> Pick, pick, pick...
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM,   wrote:
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell"
>> 
>>
>> Subject: Re: You didn't hear it from me...
>>
>>
>>> On 25/9/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 That sounds like Coty.always looking for a way to make a little
 lute.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah but I do fret a lot
>>>
>> Here we go again, we're being strung along!
>>
>>
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Walt]

Sorry. I can be a little a-caustic at times.

In any event, this is what I'm contemplating as my next guitar:

http://www.musicradar.com/us/reviews/guitars/lag-tramontane-t66a-363835

It seems to get rave reviews in the bang-for-buck category. I'll check 
to see if they have any Seagull's in stock to play with, but for now the 
Lâg is awfully tempting for the price.


-- Walt


On 9/25/2013 12:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

You've got to admit though, he's got pluck.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:

Don't strike a sour note, Walt.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Walt  wrote:

You guys are nuts.


On 9/25/2013 11:49 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Pick, pick, pick...

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM,   wrote:

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- Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" 

Subject: Re: You didn't hear it from me...



On 25/9/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:


That sounds like Coty.always looking for a way to make a little lute.


Yeah but I do fret a lot


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Re: OT: 125 years of National Geographic Stunning photography

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/9/13, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:



That issue has just plopped on the mat :)

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Re: PESO: Pas de Deux

[Walt]

Yikes! Those images are a bit gorier than the one I saw.

I'm glad the ones in my yard are relatively small. I've seen much larger 
ones around here, though. In fact, I saw a huge one on a newspaper 
vending machine a few years ago, when I was still saving up to buy my 
first DSLR and was really disappointed that I didn't have a camera with 
me at the time. That's precisely what got me into the habit of taking a 
camera with me just about every time I leave the house.


Thanks for the links!

-- Walt

On 9/25/2013 12:20 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I have seen that image as well.  Check these out:

http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/bwdsite/learn/hummingbirds/mantis-hummer.php#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWqTZErviJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep6vmpcUQR8


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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Walt  wrote:

Thanks, Dan.

I suspect they lie in wait for ants. I stopped those from getting to the
feeder months ago with some petroleum jelly, but I wonder if they can still
detect the old pheromone trails.

That said, I have seen a photo of a particularly large mantis actually
killing a hummingbird -- though, these aren't anywhere near large enough to
pull that off.

-- Walt

On 9/25/2013 8:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Very interesting image, and a great story.

I wonder why they like the feeder so much.  Do they try to drink the
nectar?

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Walt  wrote:

Thank you, Frank.

They are fascinating creatures, aren't they? I could sit and watch them
all
day if they didn't make me feel like they were going to come flying
toward
my eyeball at any moment.

-- Walt


On 9/24/2013 9:21 PM, knarf wrote:

Cool shot. I love mantids. They're like aliens from another planet.

Well captured!

Cheers,
frank

Walt  wrote:

An interesting development occurred at the hummingbird feeder this
morning. I've been taking shots of a mantis that's been hanging out
there for the past several days. Then, late last night, I noticed there

were two of them there, but the light was so low I didn't even bother
to
grab the camera as focusing would have been out of the question. So, I
put it off hoping they might still be there this morning.

Well, they were. And it seems they've gotten one another's attention.
The one on the bottom actually struck out at the one on top before
scurrying back down to the bottom of the feeder. Unfortunately, I
wasn't
quick enough to capture it. But, I was pretty happy to get this shot
nonetheless.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9917379156/#large
K-5, F 50/1.7, 1/1600, ISO 80, f/2.8

Comments and suggestions eagerly solicited.

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OT: 125 years of National Geographic Stunning photography

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Darren Addy]

You've got to admit though, he's got pluck.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:
> Don't strike a sour note, Walt.
>
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Walt  wrote:
>> You guys are nuts.
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/2013 11:49 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>>
>>> Pick, pick, pick...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM,   wrote:

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" 

 Subject: Re: You didn't hear it from me...


> On 25/9/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>> That sounds like Coty.always looking for a way to make a little lute.
>
>
> Yeah but I do fret a lot
>
 Here we go again, we're being strung along!


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Re: KEH has several FA* 24mm f2.0

[Darren Addy]

AND the moment I hit send, KEH goes down for "scheduled maintenance".
Their phone number is: (770) 333-4200


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Re: PESO: Pas de Deux

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I have seen that image as well.  Check these out:

http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/bwdsite/learn/hummingbirds/mantis-hummer.php#
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWqTZErviJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep6vmpcUQR8


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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Walt  wrote:
> Thanks, Dan.
>
> I suspect they lie in wait for ants. I stopped those from getting to the
> feeder months ago with some petroleum jelly, but I wonder if they can still
> detect the old pheromone trails.
>
> That said, I have seen a photo of a particularly large mantis actually
> killing a hummingbird -- though, these aren't anywhere near large enough to
> pull that off.
>
> -- Walt
>
> On 9/25/2013 8:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>> Very interesting image, and a great story.
>>
>> I wonder why they like the feeder so much.  Do they try to drink the
>> nectar?
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Walt  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you, Frank.
>>>
>>> They are fascinating creatures, aren't they? I could sit and watch them
>>> all
>>> day if they didn't make me feel like they were going to come flying
>>> toward
>>> my eyeball at any moment.
>>>
>>> -- Walt
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/24/2013 9:21 PM, knarf wrote:

 Cool shot. I love mantids. They're like aliens from another planet.

 Well captured!

 Cheers,
 frank

 Walt  wrote:
>
> An interesting development occurred at the hummingbird feeder this
> morning. I've been taking shots of a mantis that's been hanging out
> there for the past several days. Then, late last night, I noticed there
>
> were two of them there, but the light was so low I didn't even bother
> to
> grab the camera as focusing would have been out of the question. So, I
> put it off hoping they might still be there this morning.
>
> Well, they were. And it seems they've gotten one another's attention.
> The one on the bottom actually struck out at the one on top before
> scurrying back down to the bottom of the feeder. Unfortunately, I
> wasn't
> quick enough to capture it. But, I was pretty happy to get this shot
> nonetheless.
>
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9917379156/#large
> K-5, F 50/1.7, 1/1600, ISO 80, f/2.8
>
> Comments and suggestions eagerly solicited.
>
> -- Walt

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Re: Ricoh "what if"

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 2:02 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu 
>  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> ...However, neither M nor F mounts are ideal for 24x36mm digital 
>>> sensors—they can be made to work, but ideally a lens mount for a digital 
>>> sensor should be larger diameter relative to the format and a shorter 
>>> registration distance ...
>>
>> It might not be ideal, but they work pretty well; surprisingly, the M
>> mount has more issues due to the small registration distance
>> (requiring offset microlenses to compensate).
>
> The M mount has a short registration, but the lenses designed for the M mount 
> were not originally designed for a digital sensor. That's the issue there, 
> not the short registration. The reason a short registration distance is 
> favorable to digital sensors is that you can design the lens to have more 
> elements behind the primary nodal point to help re-direct the light path 
> across the image field to intercept the sensor orthogonally.

In theory, I agree - but for compatibility reasons I don't expect this
to change. Does it mean the future lenses should be designed in the
same manner?
>
> This was not a consideration in designing lenses for use with film, and for 
> compactness reasons (amongst others) RF film camera lenses were designed with 
> very tight primary nodal point to imaging plane distances. SLR film camera 
> lenses had to clear the swinging mirror, which was the primary reason for the 
> deep mount registration and fostered lens designed that were 'naturally' more 
> akin to digital sensor lens designs.
Precisely; it was a coincidence but the "old" lenses - the better ones
- are working quite well for digital sensors, because of this. With
the large focal range specific to a DSLR, using offset microlenses
would not be an option.
The telecentricity Olympus loudly promoted was a natural
characteristic of the classic SLR lenses.
>
>>> Canon was roundly dissed when they obsoleted the FL/FD mount in the 1980s 
>>> and thereby obsoleted many owners' expensive lens collections. However, 
>>> they were prescient in developing the EOS mount which is huge diameter 
>>> (about 51mm) and a relatively short (44mm) register. The change has stood 
>>> them in good stead in the long term, although it cost them a lot of 
>>> customers once upon a time.
>> The large diameter should help at least in making large aperture
>> lenses; but the registration distance is a mere mm and a half away
>> from Pentax'.
>
> Yes, there are only so many degrees of freedom when you have to clear a 
> large, swinging mirror.
>
>>> Olympus ... worked with Kodak and developed the FourThirds mount.. This 
>>> lens mount is the only one in production that actually has the ideal sensor 
>>> size/diameter/register depth combination for digital capture SLRs and 
>>> lenses up to f/1.4 aperture settings. The Micro-FourThirds design is 
>>> essentially the same ...
>>
>> Which is interesting, because unlike the "inadequate dinosaurs" (F and
>> K) that mount it's now dead and buried - FourThirds lens owners being
>> supposed to jump to the new mirrorless EM-1.
>> I'm not aware of any Olympus FourThirds lens larger than f/2 - though
>> Panasonic made a 25mm f/1.4.
>
> The FourThirds SLR lens mount is hardly "dead and buried". The full range of 
> Olympus FourThirds lenses, consumer/high grade/super high grade, is in 
> production and is 100% compatible with Micro-FourThirds camera use via four 
> available dedicated adapters. I used my FourThirds SLR lenses interchangeably 
> with Micro-FourThirds lenses as long ago as 2008 when the Panasonic G1 was 
> released. The only thing that was different between using the lenses on 
> SLR-FT vs mFT bodies was the auto-focus performance, because the SLR bodies 
> of necessity supported PDAF (which is what the SLR lens line was designed 
> for) and the mFT bodies of necessity supported CDAF focusing protocols.
I'm afraid it is; with no new FourThirds lenses since 2008, and the
2010's E-5 being replaced by the EM-1, as Olympus says. Maybe not
"buried", but they're definitely phasing it out.
Being able to adapt your lenses on another mount doesn't change this.
>
> Micro-FourThirds mount design is the same, with a reduction in diameter to 
> match the shorter register and enhance compactness of the bodies. The Olympus 
> E-M1 model introduces PDAF sensels on chip to provide both focusing 
> protocols, so if anything FourThirds SLR lenses are now more "alive" than 
> ever. FourThirds SLR bodies are no longer in production, but the FourThirds 
> SLR lenses have a long future in front of them. Of course they will be phased 
> out as mFT lenses of comparable focal lengths and features replace them, but 
> that's hardly dead and buried in the sense of "not being able to be used" 
> implies.
Your lenses might be "alive" and see good use on whatever cameras you
have, but the m

Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Don't strike a sour note, Walt.

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Walt  wrote:
> You guys are nuts.
>
>
> On 9/25/2013 11:49 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
>>
>> Pick, pick, pick...
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM,   wrote:
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
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>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" 
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: You didn't hear it from me...
>>>
>>>
 On 25/9/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

> That sounds like Coty.always looking for a way to make a little lute.


 Yeah but I do fret a lot

>>> Here we go again, we're being strung along!
>>>
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Re: Bibi, Bibi, Yea!

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On 25/9/13, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Let's aim for 26/27 then - give my arm a chance to heal.

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Re: OT: 5-star book on reading musical notation free until Friday

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks for the link!

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> This is wildly off-topic, but since a few of us PDMLers are learning
> guitar, this is a book that every guitar player should download
> (particular since it is temporarily priced at $0.00 and it is given
> 5-stars by 46 out of 47 reviewers on Amazon.
> http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Music-Fundamentals-ebook/dp/B00F0W4J3W/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
>
> This is the author's youtube channel:
> http://www.youtube.com/yourguitarsage
>
> As you probably already know, Kindle books are readable with Kindle
> apps (available for desktops, phones & tablets of all flavors...
> google it)
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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

[Walt]

You guys are nuts.

On 9/25/2013 11:49 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Pick, pick, pick...

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM,   wrote:

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Steve Cottrell" 

Subject: Re: You didn't hear it from me...



On 25/9/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:


That sounds like Coty.always looking for a way to make a little lute.


Yeah but I do fret a lot


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Re: PESO: Mr. Moore and my Yamaha

[Walt]

Thanks a bunch, Dan.

Mr. Moore is one of those subjects I just feel compelled to photograph. 
There's just a kind of inexplicable kinship there. He's become a good 
friend over the past couple of years, and I always look forward to his 
weekly visits to the club where I work -- every Sunday at 5:10. You can 
set your watch by it.


-- Walt

On 9/25/2013 8:13 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

That is a very effective portrait with strong emotional content.

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On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Walt  wrote:

Thank you very much, Frank!

I'd have to say it's among my very favorite shots I've taken at work. When I
finally get to the point of putting together a collection, this one will be
in it.

-- Walt


On 9/24/2013 9:26 PM, knarf wrote:

Brilliant!

Your rendering is wonderful and the subject is compelling. Couldn't be
better imho.

Cheers,
frank

Walt  wrote:

Thanks, Marnie!

-- Walt

On 9/24/2013 8:44 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

Nice shot, lots of character.

Marnie aka  Doe :-)

In a message dated 9/23/2013 11:15:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ldott...@gmail.com  writes:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9901114106/#large
K-5,  FA 50/1.7, 1/80, ISO 3200, f/2.8

He'll probably be around quite a while  longer, but when he does
eventually go, I'll be glad I have this photo to  give to his family.

Comments are, as always, welcome.

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Re: You didn't hear it from me...

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Pick, pick, pick...

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:47 AM,   wrote:
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> Subject: Re: You didn't hear it from me...
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>
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>>
>>> That sounds like Coty.always looking for a way to make a little lute.
>>
>>
>> Yeah but I do fret a lot
>>
>
> Here we go again, we're being strung along!
>
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Re: PESO: Pas de Deux

[Walt]

Thanks, Dan.

I suspect they lie in wait for ants. I stopped those from getting to the 
feeder months ago with some petroleum jelly, but I wonder if they can 
still detect the old pheromone trails.


That said, I have seen a photo of a particularly large mantis actually 
killing a hummingbird -- though, these aren't anywhere near large enough 
to pull that off.


-- Walt

On 9/25/2013 8:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Very interesting image, and a great story.

I wonder why they like the feeder so much.  Do they try to drink the nectar?

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Walt  wrote:

Thank you, Frank.

They are fascinating creatures, aren't they? I could sit and watch them all
day if they didn't make me feel like they were going to come flying toward
my eyeball at any moment.

-- Walt


On 9/24/2013 9:21 PM, knarf wrote:

Cool shot. I love mantids. They're like aliens from another planet.

Well captured!

Cheers,
frank

Walt  wrote:

An interesting development occurred at the hummingbird feeder this
morning. I've been taking shots of a mantis that's been hanging out
there for the past several days. Then, late last night, I noticed there

were two of them there, but the light was so low I didn't even bother
to
grab the camera as focusing would have been out of the question. So, I
put it off hoping they might still be there this morning.

Well, they were. And it seems they've gotten one another's attention.
The one on the bottom actually struck out at the one on top before
scurrying back down to the bottom of the feeder. Unfortunately, I
wasn't
quick enough to capture it. But, I was pretty happy to get this shot
nonetheless.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9917379156/#large
K-5, F 50/1.7, 1/1600, ISO 80, f/2.8

Comments and suggestions eagerly solicited.

-- Walt

“Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel





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