Re: What is 'administrivia' ??
on 2013-10-06 22:50 David Mann wrote On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:07 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Been a word for something like two decades, at least in geek communities. I've known it in that context for a while too, but I haven't found it in any of our dictionaries. Our Shorter Oxford English Dictionary does have administratrix which conjures up some interesting mental imagery. I did enjoy looking in our 1963 Websters Unabridged as it has that lovely old-book scent :) i don't recall when i first saw it, but i expect it was on USENET in the 1980s; many dictionary entries put its origin in the 1930s, probably because the three earliest hits on Google Books are in that decade this reference implies that Harlen F. Stone came up with the term in 1923: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlan_F._Stone#cite_ref-11 (scroll back slightly from this anchor) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Black Eagle Palace by Night
Thanks Frank and Marnie. -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Patterns
Nice :-) 6. okt. 2013 kl. 22:49 skrev Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Another taken on my way home from work: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17545064size=lg or http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17545064-lg.jpg (K-5, FA 28/2.8) It's a bit strange, so this may be just the place to show it. Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The kind of HDR I hate
Well, since you hate it, what are we supposed to say? Huh, not my kind of thing either. Hey, look, you even have star lights! Whee! Heh. Marnie aka Doe ;-) Nice composition? Can say that. In a message dated 10/6/2013 10:26:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, postmas...@robertstech.com writes: ...but it sells, so I need to be able to teach it to my students. Hence this experiment. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dd06804-hdr.htm Pseudo-HDR treatment (it's tone mapped from a single exposure). Lots of tweaking with masks, selective noise reduction and other tricks to make look more like an illustration than a photograph. Notes: 1/2-second exposure obtained without a tripod by bracing camera against lamp post. I love the sneakers hanging over the phone lines in the upper left-hand corner. Gelateria Yogurteria Venexia (in the center of the photo) makes the most amazing triple-chocolate gelato in Italy. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Great Blue Heron
I especially like the bird in flight shot.Nice job! -- Bruce -- Sent from Sony Tablet S Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: In the Rouge River this morning: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17549556size=lg And departing the Rouge River: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17549555size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Fly into a New Day
I like all that sky. I think that the feeling comes through. Nicely portrayed! -- Bruce -- Sent from Sony Tablet S knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Just a quiet, unaessuming dawn. Hopefully the incredible calm that I experienced comes through: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/10/fly-into-new-day.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Ken-san
Nice composition with lots of interesting triangles going on, reflecting the main triangle of the bike. B On 7 Oct 2013, at 01:56, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Toronto seems to be attracting quite a few Japanese messengers lately. First Kota then Moto (who's still here) and now Ken. Here he is doing his first Alley Cat (messenger race) a couple of weeks ago at a checkpoint, mugging for the camera: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/09/ken-san.html?m=1 Just havin' a bit of fun. Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
facebook post about being the community photographer
This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing. And it was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as there are people out there doing a lot more work than you realize, and not come across as I do all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?. I hope I succeeded. If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap. In just about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that you see at the various events, taking photos. Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them all the time. You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera. Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago. So, not only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable. But in our various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours. There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you. While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances are you won't take many good photos. Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but favorable light. What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good (read expensive) cameras and lenses. This is true to a point. A good photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need the right tool for the job. If you want pictures of people dancing in a room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos. You can get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars on your kit. Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars. So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time practicing, and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and computer gear. I'm not even going to start on the time, expense and effort involved with film and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it has it's appeal, it is beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly even sanity in this day and age. These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or whatever. But we've barely even started. If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, and most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at the first place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a pretty girl in my arms moving to the music. If I'm at a class and taking photos, I'm missing a lot of what the teacher is saying, because while the teacher is talking, I'm also looking at the light, thinking about when something interesting is going to happen, taking care not to disturb class myself and very little of my brain is left over to absorb what is being taught. I'm not saying that taking photos isn't fun. It is a lot of fun, or we wouldn't be doing it on our own time, and giving away the photos for free. There are a lot of reasons to give them away for free. The big one is that most of us do this as a way to give back to the community and our friends. The other reason is that if we tried to sell our photos, we wouldn't get any money for them anyways, in no small part because we'd be competing against the people who are
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - why should anyone want to read it? Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences. B On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing. And it was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as there are people out there doing a lot more work than you realize, and not come across as I do all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?. I hope I succeeded. If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap. In just about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that you see at the various events, taking photos. Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them all the time. You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera. Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago. So, not only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable. But in our various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours. There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you. While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances are you won't take many good photos. Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but favorable light. What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good (read expensive) cameras and lenses. This is true to a point. A good photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need the right tool for the job. If you want pictures of people dancing in a room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos. You can get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars on your kit. Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars. So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time practicing, and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and computer gear. I'm not even going to start on the time, expense and effort involved with film and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it has it's appeal, it is beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly even sanity in this day and age. These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or whatever. But we've barely even started. If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, and most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at the first place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a pretty girl in my arms moving to the music. If I'm at a class and taking photos, I'm missing a lot of what the teacher is saying, because while the teacher is talking, I'm also looking at the light, thinking about when something interesting is going to happen, taking care not to disturb class myself and very little of my brain is left over to absorb what is being taught. I'm not saying that taking photos isn't fun. It is a lot of fun, or we wouldn't be doing it on our own time, and giving away the photos for free.
Re: Pentax MX-1 advice sought
- Mensaje original - De: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com On Fri, Oct 04, 2013, Jaume Lahuerta wrote: (it is not true that you have to take the cap off to review pictures, you can start in review mode just pressing the review button for a while, just like almost all current compact cameras) Thanks for that tip! Works nicely on my Nikon P7100. You are welcome. For me this discovery was similar to the Ctrl+Enter for a page break... ;-) Regards,Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - why should anyone want to read it? Sorry Bob, I've already read it before your post showed up:) I guess I'm used to reading long texts. Since I'm not doing event photography I don't have much to add. Though I'm puzzled by your experience. -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
http://www.achangeinthewind.com/2010/09/war-and-peace-in-53-words-.html It is approximately 7.5 words per sentence... On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - why should anyone want to read it? Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences. B On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing. And it was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as there are people out there doing a lot more work than you realize, and not come across as I do all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?. I hope I succeeded. If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap. In just about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that you see at the various events, taking photos. Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them all the time. You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera. Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago. So, not only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable. But in our various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours. There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you. While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances are you won't take many good photos. Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but favorable light. What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good (read expensive) cameras and lenses. This is true to a point. A good photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need the right tool for the job. If you want pictures of people dancing in a room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos. You can get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars on your kit. Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars. So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time practicing, and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and computer gear. I'm not even going to start on the time, expense and effort involved with film and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it has it's appeal, it is beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly even sanity in this day and age. These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or whatever. But we've barely even started. If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, and most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at the first place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a pretty girl in my arms moving to the music. If I'm at a class and taking photos, I'm missing a lot of what the teacher is saying, because while the teacher is talking, I'm also looking at the light, thinking about when something interesting is going to happen, taking care not to disturb class myself and very little of my brain is left over to
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
I think I will refer to this the next time someone ask me why I don't take pictures at some event :-) DagT Sendt fra min iPad Den 7. okt. 2013 kl. 09:56 skrev Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing. And it was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as there are people out there doing a lot more work than you realize, and not come across as I do all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?. I hope I succeeded. If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap. In just about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that you see at the various events, taking photos. Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them all the time. You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera. Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago. So, not only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable. But in our various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours. There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you. While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances are you won't take many good photos. Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but favorable light. What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good (read expensive) cameras and lenses. This is true to a point. A good photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need the right tool for the job. If you want pictures of people dancing in a room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos. You can get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars on your kit. Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars. So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time practicing, and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and computer gear. I'm not even going to start on the time, expense and effort involved with film and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it has it's appeal, it is beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly even sanity in this day and age. These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or whatever. But we've barely even started. If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, and most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at the first place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a pretty girl in my arms moving to the music. If I'm at a class and taking photos, I'm missing a lot of what the teacher is saying, because while the teacher is talking, I'm also looking at the light, thinking about when something interesting is going to happen, taking care not to disturb class myself and very little of my brain is left over to absorb what is being taught. I'm not saying that taking photos isn't fun. It is a lot of fun, or we wouldn't be doing it on our own time, and giving away the photos for free. There are a lot of reasons to give them away for free. The big
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
tl;dr It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave up. Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit. Tell 'em what your're going to say. Say it. Summarize what you said. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - why should anyone want to read it? Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences. B On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing. And it was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as there are people out there doing a lot more work than you realize, and not come across as I do all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?. I hope I succeeded. If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap. In just about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that you see at the various events, taking photos. Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them all the time. You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera. Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago. So, not only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable. But in our various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours. There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you. While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances are you won't take many good photos. Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but favorable light. What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good (read expensive) cameras and lenses. This is true to a point. A good photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need the right tool for the job. If you want pictures of people dancing in a room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos. You can get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars on your kit. Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars. So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time practicing, and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and computer gear. I'm not even going to start on the time, expense and effort involved with film and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it has it's appeal, it is beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly even sanity in this day and age. These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or whatever. But we've barely even started. If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, and most of them are the reasons that we started going to those events at the first place. If it's at a dance, and I'm taking photos, there isn't a pretty girl in my arms moving to the music. If I'm at a class and taking photos, I'm missing a lot of what the teacher is saying, because while the teacher is talking, I'm also looking at
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
Bruce, I believe Larry copied-and-pasted a post from his Facebook. Therein I suppose lies the rest of the context. I should be able to read his message properly when I am on my way home in the train today. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave up. Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit. Tell 'em what your're going to say. Say it. Summarize what you said. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - why should anyone want to read it? Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences. B On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing. And it was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as there are people out there doing a lot more work than you realize, and not come across as I do all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?. I hope I succeeded. If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap. In just about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that you see at the various events, taking photos. Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them all the time. You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera. Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago. So, not only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable. But in our various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours. There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you. While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances are you won't take many good photos. Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but favorable light. What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good (read expensive) cameras and lenses. This is true to a point. A good photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need the right tool for the job. If you want pictures of people dancing in a room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos. You can get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars on your kit. Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars. So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the time to learn the basics of photography, and they spent more time practicing, and they spent a fair chunk of money on decent camera and computer gear. I'm not even going to start on the time, expense and effort involved with film and darkroom, I've Been There, Done That, and while it has it's appeal, it is beyond the scope of this discussion, and possibly even sanity in this day and age. These are arguably reasons enough to appreciate the people taking those photos of you dancing, riding bikes, playing guitar. racing cars or whatever. But we've barely even started. If we're taking photos at an event, there are things that we're not doing, and most of them are the reasons that we started
Re: The kind of HDR I hate
Contrived and unnatural, but in a Thomas Kinkade kind of style. Which, perhaps, explains the commercial appeal. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:42 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Well, since you hate it, what are we supposed to say? Huh, not my kind of thing either. Hey, look, you even have star lights! Whee! Heh. Marnie aka Doe ;-) Nice composition? Can say that. In a message dated 10/6/2013 10:26:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, postmas...@robertstech.com writes: ...but it sells, so I need to be able to teach it to my students. Hence this experiment. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dd06804-hdr.htm Pseudo-HDR treatment (it's tone mapped from a single exposure). Lots of tweaking with masks, selective noise reduction and other tricks to make look more like an illustration than a photograph. Notes: 1/2-second exposure obtained without a tripod by bracing camera against lamp post. I love the sneakers hanging over the phone lines in the upper left-hand corner. Gelateria Yogurteria Venexia (in the center of the photo) makes the most amazing triple-chocolate gelato in Italy. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Great Blue Heron
Thanks Bruce. It's nice when one of these guys takes off in a direction that works for me. Usually they duck right in behin dtrees. Paul On Oct 7, 2013, at 3:00 AM, Bruce bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: I especially like the bird in flight shot.Nice job! -- Bruce -- Sent from Sony Tablet S Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: In the Rouge River this morning: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17549556size=lg And departing the Rouge River: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17549555size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
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Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Looks totally cool. Two K-5's that we have in our household still boast more pixels than one K-3 (not being serious here). On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Wheee! I now believe that there is a K-3. Now where is that dang money tree? Yonnie On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Synchronization speed: 1/180 sec oh FFS :-/ Still?! Otherwise... looks awesome. -Original Message- From: Darren Addy Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 9:36 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3408 / Virus Database: 3222/6728 - Release Date: 10/06/13 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
No focus peaking? On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Black Eagle Palace by Night
Quoting Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com: One part of a nice building in downtown was recently restored. I took a quick shot on my way home with a compact (not Pentax). http://500px.com/photo/48314718 Spectacular lighting. For a quick shot, you've done well. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: A bit of excitement
Quoting Alan C c...@lantic.net: About an hour ago a fire flared up in the unkempt park alongside our house. Fortunately the municipality had cut the grass last week for the first time in over two years but they had not yet finished cleaning up. It took the fire brigade twenty minutes to arrive by which time the fire had almost burnt itself out. Only this small fire tender was available because there was another large fire on the other side of town. http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/10118290574/lightbox That sort of excitement I can do without. Like you, we're coming into our fire season, which got off to an unwelcome early start a couple of weeks ago. I'm not looking forward to summer... -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The kind of HDR I hate
Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: ...but it sells, so I need to be able to teach it to my students. Hence this experiment. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dd06804-hdr.htm It's not my thing either - but I've seen lots of others that I hate more... Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Pseudo-HDR treatment (it's tone mapped from a single exposure). Lots of tweaking with masks, selective noise reduction and other tricks to make look more like an illustration than a photograph. Notes: 1/2-second exposure obtained without a tripod by bracing camera against lamp post. I love the sneakers hanging over the phone lines in the upper left-hand corner. Gelateria Yogurteria Venexia (in the center of the photo) makes the most amazing triple-chocolate gelato in Italy. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The kind of HDR I hate
Yikes! Mark, I hope you also tell your students that (a) you hate it too and (b) it is a good example of what good photographers (like you) don't do and don't need to do. Please show image before you mangled it ann On 10/7/2013 08:08, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com: ...but it sells, so I need to be able to teach it to my students. Hence this experiment. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dd06804-hdr.htm It's not my thing either - but I've seen lots of others that I hate more... Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Pseudo-HDR treatment (it's tone mapped from a single exposure). Lots of tweaking with masks, selective noise reduction and other tricks to make look more like an illustration than a photograph. Notes: 1/2-second exposure obtained without a tripod by bracing camera against lamp post. I love the sneakers hanging over the phone lines in the upper left-hand corner. Gelateria Yogurteria Venexia (in the center of the photo) makes the most amazing triple-chocolate gelato in Italy. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Autumn Impressions
Well Daddy Long Legs (grew up calling them that, too) , Late Bloomer and Leaves on grass are my faves. Good stuff, Mark ann On 10/6/2013 02:58, Mark C wrote: www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/autumn-impressions K-01, D-FA 100mm f2.8 CC always appreciated... Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Fun Run
What Marnie said ann On 10/6/2013 09:53, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: They do don't they? Everyone else looks like they are grimacing or something. Fun. Nice grab. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 10/4/2013 12:38:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pnstenqu...@comcast.net writes: Grace and her friend, Jasmine, lead the pack at their school's annual fun run. They seem to be the only ones who think it's fun: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17547570size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: No focus peaking? I would like that too! -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Black Eagle Palace by Night
Thanks Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Spectacular lighting. For a quick shot, you've done well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds interesting from a technical standpoint. I hope that is something that can be disabled. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each preset white balance). Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with microscopic sensor vibrations, so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something). On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds interesting from a technical standpoint. I hope that is something that can be disabled. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Hi Darren This is from the highlights page of the K-3 page. Multi-pattern white balance When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction. Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same image. I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to jpgs. But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as a creative tool. I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you may have several types of light in the same image. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each preset white balance). Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with microscopic sensor vibrations, so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something). On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds interesting from a technical standpoint. I hope that is something that can be disabled. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
that should say more than one correction. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Darren This is from the highlights page of the K-3 page. Multi-pattern white balance When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction. Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same image. I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to jpgs. But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as a creative tool. I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you may have several types of light in the same image. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each preset white balance). Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with microscopic sensor vibrations, so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something). On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds interesting from a technical standpoint. I hope that is something that can be disabled. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Thanks for the clarification, George. I agree with you; I would probably also want the ability to turn that off but it will be interesting to see what sort of images it produces. It is amazing to me what is possible with the in-camera horsepower of the PRIME III. I will be very interested to see what the dynamic range, etc. is for this sensor/camera. If it is anywhere close to the K-5/II/IIs it is probably going to be the *best* APS-C DSLR on the market (at least for a week or two). : ) It is worth remembering that other camera manufacturers also use the Fujitsu Milbeaut image processor and so will be seeing a corresponding jump in *their* capabilities sooner, rather than later. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:06 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: that should say more than one correction. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Darren This is from the highlights page of the K-3 page. Multi-pattern white balance When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction. Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same image. I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to jpgs. But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as a creative tool. I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you may have several types of light in the same image. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each preset white balance). Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with microscopic sensor vibrations, so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something). On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds interesting from a technical standpoint. I hope that is something that can be disabled. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
AND now the page is a 404 error. : ) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the clarification, George. I agree with you; I would probably also want the ability to turn that off but it will be interesting to see what sort of images it produces. It is amazing to me what is possible with the in-camera horsepower of the PRIME III. I will be very interested to see what the dynamic range, etc. is for this sensor/camera. If it is anywhere close to the K-5/II/IIs it is probably going to be the *best* APS-C DSLR on the market (at least for a week or two). : ) It is worth remembering that other camera manufacturers also use the Fujitsu Milbeaut image processor and so will be seeing a corresponding jump in *their* capabilities sooner, rather than later. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:06 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: that should say more than one correction. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Darren This is from the highlights page of the K-3 page. Multi-pattern white balance When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction. Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same image. I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to jpgs. But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as a creative tool. I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you may have several types of light in the same image. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each preset white balance). Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with microscopic sensor vibrations, so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something). On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds interesting from a technical standpoint. I hope that is something that can be disabled. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Seems that someone at Ricoh revealed that a bit prematurely. Page removed in something less than 2 hours. So did anyone save a screen shot? On 10/7/2013 7:06 AM, Darren Addy wrote: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Tomorrow it should be back. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: AND now the page is a 404 error. : ) Alex -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
I saved the whole page on my home computer before leaving for work, but I'm at work now. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:26 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Seems that someone at Ricoh revealed that a bit prematurely. Page removed in something less than 2 hours. So did anyone save a screen shot? On 10/7/2013 7:06 AM, Darren Addy wrote: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Not mentioned in the specs, but a big question by many ANSWERED: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/10137365063/ Yee-HAW! On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
=) YEEE HAW! On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Not mentioned in the specs, but a big question by many ANSWERED: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/10137365063/ Yee-HAW! On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Signs of the Season
Last week I ran an errand at the local shopping center. These guys were busy putting up the Christmas Tree. I guess I'd better get busy. I never put up the tree until after Thanksgiving. Silly me, I take my holidays one at a time. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/7/signs-of-winter gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
Actually, Bob, you'd be surprised how many people on FB WILL read it. For one thing, it will be formatted, not a plain text dump as it is here. People do occasionally post longer posts on Facebook. But it is totally a if-they-are-in-the-mood thing, whether one's friends will read it or not. Read the whole thing, Larry, and I do think you are trying to communicate too many different ideas in one post. I mean, Rockwell country is already taken. ;-) But you make it sound like camera companies are out to deliberately exploit people. Or exploit them into thinking everyone can take good photos. I would disagree with that. Anyone who buys a DSLR will find out they need to know more, if they don't already know about f-stops and the like. NOW cell phone companies MAY want to imply to everyone that they can take good shots with no experience, practice, and knowledge. I don't know. One of my FB friends, non-PDML-type, has taken fantastic photos with his cell phone and is currently putting together a blurb book of them. He raised funds on Kickstarter and got a lot of donations. But I don't know his photographic background, he may have been taking photos for years. Marnie In a message dated 10/7/2013 1:06:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - why should anyone want to read it? Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences. B On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: This is somethingt that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I didn't have time to do more than just spew it out, without editing. And it was a real challlenge trying to phrase it as there are people out there doing a lot more work than you realize, and not come across as I do all this stuff for you, what are you going to do for me?. I hope I succeeded. If you are reading this, chances are that I've taken photos of you. I have nearly 1,600 people on my friends list, and I'm pretty sure it's not because of my sparkling personality. My social awkwardness is not legendary, but it is no secret. The reason that most people connect with me on social networking sites is because I'm one of the people that gets decent photos at those events where the cell phone photos always look like crap. In just about any social group there are a few of us, generally three or four, that you see at the various events, taking photos. Something like half of the photos ever taken, have been taken in the past year or two. To a first approximation, everybody now has a camera with them all the time. You might call it a phone, but it's also a camera. Meanwhile, the performance of dedicated cameras have improved at the exponential rate that Gordon Moore noticed several decades ago. So, not only can just about anyone take a photo at any time, but there's a decent chance that photo will look OK, or at least the objects in it will probably be recognizable. But in our various social groups, there are three or four of us who fairly regularly hear someone admit that their photos don't turn out as well as ours. There's a dirty secret that the people who make cameras won't tell you. While cameras have advanced to the point that you no longer need to have a good grasp of photographic fundamentals to take a pictures that is reasonably well exposed, and even has subjects in focus, if you don't know your aperture from a hole in the ground, chances are you won't take many good photos. Sure, you'll get lucky now and then. Throw enough darts in the general direction of the dart board and a few of them will hit the bullseye, but quite frankly, most of your photos will be crap, particularly in anything but favorable light. What camera companies will tell you is that to get good photos, you need good (read expensive) cameras and lenses. This is true to a point. A good photographer can get beautiful artistic photos with just about any working camera that you put in their hands, but there are times when you simply need the right tool for the job. If you want pictures of people dancing in a room that is too dark to comfortably read in, you are going to need a pretty good camera body, a decent lens, and in addition to knowing how to use them, you're going to need a decent computer for processing those photos. You can get these things on the cheap, relatively speaking, but if you're passionate about photography chances are that you've spent well over a thousand dollars on your kit. Actually, chances are that you've spent quite a few times that on your kit, but if you're creative, you might be able to take and process good photos in challenging light for under two or three thousand dollars. So, those people getting better photos than you did so because they spent the time to learn the basics of
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
I see that 14-bit RAW is a choice for video recording. That's something that folks have been hacking the firmware of Canons to get. Nice! On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
I am actually starting to consider Pentax again. OTOH, probably be ages before is actually buyable. Unless Ricoh has changed all that. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 10/7/2013 6:52:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes: I see that 14-bit RAW is a choice for video recording. That's something that folks have been hacking the firmware of Canons to get. Nice! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Interesting, almost all of the images that show the back of the camera have Ricoh under the viewing screen where this one is labeled Pentax. Not that that changes the functionality of the camera. On 10/7/2013 9:35 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Not mentioned in the specs, but a big question by many ANSWERED: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/10137365063/ Yee-HAW! On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Reportedly, PENTAX below the LCD on pre-production units and RICOH on production units. I think it is a sign of how proud Ricoh is of this camera. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:02 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, almost all of the images that show the back of the camera have Ricoh under the viewing screen where this one is labeled Pentax. Not that that changes the functionality of the camera. On 10/7/2013 9:35 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Not mentioned in the specs, but a big question by many ANSWERED: http://www.flickr.com/photos/29329237@N07/10137365063/ Yee-HAW! On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thought I saw 8 bit? Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Native support for both PENTAX PEF and Adobe DNG 14 bit RAW files, including the ability to retrieve RAW data from JPG files if still present in buffer memory. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Thought I saw 8 bit? Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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re: dual slots Dual SD card slots allow for greater memory card flexibility, for separation of JPG and RAW files, and for use with Eye-fi card and new FLU card technology. I wonder if how you use the slots is configurable? Also regarding the FLUCARD, I found the wording interesting: With installation of the optional, dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for PENTAX in the K-3, the photographer can remotely change settings such as aperture, shutter speed and ISO, shift the AF focus point, release the camera shutter, check Liveview image, and browse and download images to mobile devices and PC. Eye-fi Wireless and standard SDX Memory cards also compatible. Note the use of the phrase dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for PENTAX. It appears that Pentax and whoever makes FLUCARD have cooperated together to make a Pentax-SPECIFIC Flucard. (They may do, or be doing, the same with other manufacturers, but that makes me more hopeful of the features really working.) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Native support for both PENTAX PEF and Adobe DNG 14 bit RAW files, including the ability to retrieve RAW data from JPG files if still present in buffer memory. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Thought I saw 8 bit? Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tethered operation through WiFi. That should make some people happy. On 10/7/2013 10:19 AM, Darren Addy wrote: re: dual slots Dual SD card slots allow for greater memory card flexibility, for separation of JPG and RAW files, and for use with Eye-fi card and new FLU card technology. I wonder if how you use the slots is configurable? Also regarding the FLUCARD, I found the wording interesting: With installation of the optional, dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for PENTAX in the K-3, the photographer can remotely change settings such as aperture, shutter speed and ISO, shift the AF focus point, release the camera shutter, check Liveview image, and browse and download images to mobile devices and PC. Eye-fi Wireless and standard SDX Memory cards also compatible. Note the use of the phrase dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for PENTAX. It appears that Pentax and whoever makes FLUCARD have cooperated together to make a Pentax-SPECIFIC Flucard. (They may do, or be doing, the same with other manufacturers, but that makes me more hopeful of the features really working.) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Native support for both PENTAX PEF and Adobe DNG 14 bit RAW files, including the ability to retrieve RAW data from JPG files if still present in buffer memory. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Thought I saw 8 bit? Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pssst: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights In case anyone missed it. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: AND now the page is a 404 error. : ) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the clarification, George. I agree with you; I would probably also want the ability to turn that off but it will be interesting to see what sort of images it produces. It is amazing to me what is possible with the in-camera horsepower of the PRIME III. I will be very interested to see what the dynamic range, etc. is for this sensor/camera. If it is anywhere close to the K-5/II/IIs it is probably going to be the *best* APS-C DSLR on the market (at least for a week or two). : ) It is worth remembering that other camera manufacturers also use the Fujitsu Milbeaut image processor and so will be seeing a corresponding jump in *their* capabilities sooner, rather than later. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:06 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: that should say more than one correction. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Darren This is from the highlights page of the K-3 page. Multi-pattern white balance When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction. Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same image. I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to jpgs. But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as a creative tool. I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you may have several types of light in the same image. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each preset white balance). Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with microscopic sensor vibrations, so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something). On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds interesting from a technical standpoint. I hope that is something that can be disabled. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. --
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Looks interesting. Hopefully it will be all that everyone has been hoping for ... other than full frame, of course. I guess Cotty gets to wear his hat another year... ;-) G On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pssst: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights In case anyone missed it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ooooh. Under Drive Modes: Mirror up (standard, remote) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: Looks interesting. Hopefully it will be all that everyone has been hoping for ... other than full frame, of course. I guess Cotty gets to wear his hat another year... ;-) G On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Pssst: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights In case anyone missed it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That pleases me greatly. A huge advantage in the studio and even in the field using a hotspot for my laptop. Really excited about this camera. It fits my needs perfectly, at least on paper. However, I may want to let the pioneers take some arrows before I buy. Paul On Oct 7, 2013, at 10:31 AM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Tethered operation through WiFi. That should make some people happy. On 10/7/2013 10:19 AM, Darren Addy wrote: re: dual slots Dual SD card slots allow for greater memory card flexibility, for separation of JPG and RAW files, and for use with Eye-fi card and new FLU card technology. I wonder if how you use the slots is configurable? Also regarding the FLUCARD, I found the wording interesting: With installation of the optional, dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for PENTAX in the K-3, the photographer can remotely change settings such as aperture, shutter speed and ISO, shift the AF focus point, release the camera shutter, check Liveview image, and browse and download images to mobile devices and PC. Eye-fi Wireless and standard SDX Memory cards also compatible. Note the use of the phrase dedicated 16 GB FLU CARD for PENTAX. It appears that Pentax and whoever makes FLUCARD have cooperated together to make a Pentax-SPECIFIC Flucard. (They may do, or be doing, the same with other manufacturers, but that makes me more hopeful of the features really working.) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Native support for both PENTAX PEF and Adobe DNG 14 bit RAW files, including the ability to retrieve RAW data from JPG files if still present in buffer memory. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Thought I saw 8 bit? Jack - Original Message - From: P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 6:33 AM Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs 24mp 14 bit raw files, you'll need all of that speed and more. On 10/7/2013 9:02 AM, CollinB wrote: What strikes me most is USB3. That's fast transfer. Now ... if will transfer USB after shooting ... -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks. That looks rather impressive. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 10/7/2013 7:44:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes: Pssst: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#! product-highlights In case anyone missed it. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: AND now the page is a 404 error. : ) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the clarification, George. I agree with you; I would probably also want the ability to turn that off but it will be interesting to see what sort of images it produces. It is amazing to me what is possible with the in-camera horsepower of the PRIME III. I will be very interested to see what the dynamic range, etc. is for this sensor/camera. If it is anywhere close to the K-5/II/IIs it is probably going to be the *best* APS-C DSLR on the market (at least for a week or two). : ) It is worth remembering that other camera manufacturers also use the Fujitsu Milbeaut image processor and so will be seeing a corresponding jump in *their* capabilities sooner, rather than later. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:06 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: that should say more than one correction. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Darren This is from the highlights page of the K-3 page. Multi-pattern white balance When shooting scenes that include multiple light sources, such as sunlight and shade or flash, light sources are recognized automatically and the image is separated into different areas. White balance is adjusted separately in each area according to the different light sources to achieve optimal color reproduction. Sounds like it makes more than correction in different parts of the same image. I agree, like most other adjustments, it probably only applies to jpgs. But, it sounds like something I would want to turn off or on as a creative tool. I'm thinking of twilight or night shots where you may have several types of light in the same image. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I believe that means that you can save JPEGs from the RAW image in different white balance configurations easily, in camera (which is very cool). ALL of the information is always there in the RAW file. IF that is correct, then I don't see any need to disable, because it won't happen automatically (saving you 9 different JPEGs at each preset white balance). Also, the anti-alias IS accomplished with microscopic sensor vibrations, so I was wrong about that. I don't really understand how it can do that AND shake reduction, but we'll see how it is implemented. I suppose that most people are going to shoot with it OFF and go for the resolution over the (rare) moire problem (unless you are shooting a lot of wedding dresses or something). On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:54 AM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: The multiple white balance corrections in a single photo sounds interesting from a technical standpoint. I hope that is something that can be disabled. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I see it now. Thanks, Brian. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML
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http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-full-images-and-price/ I see not only a mic jack but also a headphone jack. That's what sits under the bump! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I want 3 SD cards with Raid5 storage. If one card goes bad just swap it and let it rebuild the image on its own. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If they've done it right, the camera creates its own secure WiFi hotspot. That way, compatible devices can hook up to it directly without having to manage network configuration. Godfrey On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:02 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: That pleases me greatly. A huge advantage in the studio and even in the field using a hotspot for my laptop. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If they've done it right, the camera creates its own secure WiFi hotspot. That way, compatible devices can hook up to it directly without having to manage network configuration. Godfrey If they've done it right the camera acts as a stand-alone computing/network device and not just a peripheral or disconnected entity. That's got potential. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's what I like about the wi-fi Mobi card. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: If they've done it right, the camera creates its own secure WiFi hotspot. That way, compatible devices can hook up to it directly without having to manage network configuration. Godfrey On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:02 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: That pleases me greatly. A huge advantage in the studio and even in the field using a hotspot for my laptop. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pretty much what I said. That's how Olympus has implemented wireless control for the E-M1. Saw it demonstrated, it's impressive. Godfrey -- On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:19 AM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: If they've done it right the camera acts as a stand-alone computing/network device and not just a peripheral or disconnected entity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here WERE your OFFICIAL specs...
404 errors on all of the Ricoh K-3 links... http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 7:37 AM Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here WERE your OFFICIAL specs...
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights You're welcome. :-) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: 404 errors on all of the Ricoh K-3 links... http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 7:37 AM Subject: Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs Quoting Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Oh, and BTW - no mention of PRIME III... There is, actually: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-highlights in the section headed Fastest continuous shooting at 8.3FPS -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
According to the Flu website that's how it works. All configuration is done through the card-in-the-camera's web server and through a couple of camera menus. I'm not certain how preview tethering is configured, but they mentioned an FTP client so it can at least push images to an FTP server. It shouldn't be too hard to push images through to Lightroom that way. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: If they've done it right, the camera creates its own secure WiFi hotspot. That way, compatible devices can hook up to it directly without having to manage network configuration. Godfrey On Oct 7, 2013, at 8:02 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: That pleases me greatly. A huge advantage in the studio and even in the field using a hotspot for my laptop. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-3: it's time ...
Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-3: it's time ...
Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw Wife says the same thing about my E class. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: it's time ...
The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the 1/180th flash sync speed. I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days. There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal plane shutter, if memory serves. The way the problem was addressed in the old days was to use leaf shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf shutter lenses in the digital age. If such a solution were available, the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were. Other concerns: Focus Peaking: Has it Mirror Lock-up: Has it Kick-ass FPS: Has it Improved AF: Has it Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat). If there is one feature that would have video geeks and astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling. I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is: http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here WERE your OFFICIAL specs...
On 10/7/13 12:04 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights You're welcome. :-) Thanks for capping that, Bruce. Would love to get my hands on one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: it's time ...
I have sympathy for the only 1/180th sec flash sync whine because I could benefit from faster there too. It would mean being able to use a flash or two to overcome bright sunlight. The Fuji x100s has a leaf shutter and ultra fast x-sync, like 1/2000th sec, and apparently it's astounding shooting with flash outdoors: http://strobist.blogspot.ca/2013/05/leaf-shutter-nd-flash-fuji-x100s.html But I just limit myself to early morning or late afternoon through evening outdoor location shoots and it's no big deal. Or I just find some shade and shoot midday. I very happily trade all these other great new things for the status-quo flash sync. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the 1/180th flash sync speed. I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days. There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal plane shutter, if memory serves. The way the problem was addressed in the old days was to use leaf shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf shutter lenses in the digital age. If such a solution were available, the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were. Other concerns: Focus Peaking: Has it Mirror Lock-up: Has it Kick-ass FPS: Has it Improved AF: Has it Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat). If there is one feature that would have video geeks and astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling. I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is: http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: it's time ...
Bruce - have you ever tried the high-speed sync option with an external flash? gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I have sympathy for the only 1/180th sec flash sync whine because I could benefit from faster there too. It would mean being able to use a flash or two to overcome bright sunlight. The Fuji x100s has a leaf shutter and ultra fast x-sync, like 1/2000th sec, and apparently it's astounding shooting with flash outdoors: http://strobist.blogspot.ca/2013/05/leaf-shutter-nd-flash-fuji-x100s.html But I just limit myself to early morning or late afternoon through evening outdoor location shoots and it's no big deal. Or I just find some shade and shoot midday. I very happily trade all these other great new things for the status-quo flash sync. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the 1/180th flash sync speed. I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days. There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal plane shutter, if memory serves. The way the problem was addressed in the old days was to use leaf shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf shutter lenses in the digital age. If such a solution were available, the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were. Other concerns: Focus Peaking: Has it Mirror Lock-up: Has it Kick-ass FPS: Has it Improved AF: Has it Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat). If there is one feature that would have video geeks and astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling. I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is: http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Signs of the Season
Interesting. Traditionally we don't put up the tree until Christmas Eve. Maybe they just want to make sure to finish it on time:) -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Thinking about a new camera
On Oct 5, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 5/10/13, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed: A question about the X1/20. When I went through Heathrow on my way home I checked out the X20 in the duty free shop. Between us, neither myself, what seemed to be a camera-wise customer, nor a clerk who seemed to know his stuff could figure out how to focus manually. I assume it can be done. Basically you select manual on the front button (MF) Thanks for the explanation of manual focusing on the x10, Cotty. The one thing I would say this camera (and the X20) are not very good at is manual focus. It is fiddly and slow. If you are looking for good manual focus control, perhaps look elsewhere. That said, the AF is extremely good - and supposed to be even better on the X20. I never use manual focus on my X10, and so far haven't needed to. Even in extreme macro, the AF locks on and is accurate. I generally focus and recompose. So - a half press with subject in the middle of the frame, then recompose, then a full press of the shutter. Works well. But a camera liker this is obviously limited. We're probably similar in that we both grew up with good old manual focus lenses, and actually that's what works for us and we enjoy using them. Not to say autofocus doesn't have its place, but for me, I have no need right now. Well, my first camera was a K1000, but I'm still learning to focus. And I want to continue. I think I remember someone, I think Godfrey, talking about getting good enough that you could get focus to just snap into place without a lot of back-and-forth homing in. I don't know if he meant to suggest that was possible in action situations. If so it's where I'd like to get. That said, and while I'm leaning toward a K-5 as my new camera---all of the quality I can afford right now, or am ever likely to---the X10/X20, with its manual focus limitations s certainly appealing. For my own personal photography, I want studious concentration and just a few lenses I know and can use to my liking. But I also want it reduced in size. I don't want a camera bag full of stuff. I want one camera *in my pocket* and one over my shoulder. And that's it!! My aspiration, too. Simple and as small as possible. While it had it's limitations---I would like to have brought some scenes up closer---I really liked going with just the A28/2.8 and *istDS on my trip. The last half of my walk I literally had the camera in-hand the whole day. I found it to be the most convenient and the most comfortable way of carrying the camera. Regards, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net You will be needed in the movement when you realize that you are not needed in the movement. - Chris Crass -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: it's time ...
i use the high-speed sync function with the K-5 and AF 540. It works well at close range. I find it most useful when shooting in daylight where the sun direction can't be managed. True sync enables a more powerful flash burst I believe, but the high speed option on the AF 540 works well. Plus, it can be left turned on, as the flash will revert to normal operation when the shutter speed drops to 1/180th or less. Paul On Oct 7, 2013, at 12:55 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce - have you ever tried the high-speed sync option with an external flash? gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I have sympathy for the only 1/180th sec flash sync whine because I could benefit from faster there too. It would mean being able to use a flash or two to overcome bright sunlight. The Fuji x100s has a leaf shutter and ultra fast x-sync, like 1/2000th sec, and apparently it's astounding shooting with flash outdoors: http://strobist.blogspot.ca/2013/05/leaf-shutter-nd-flash-fuji-x100s.html But I just limit myself to early morning or late afternoon through evening outdoor location shoots and it's no big deal. Or I just find some shade and shoot midday. I very happily trade all these other great new things for the status-quo flash sync. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the 1/180th flash sync speed. I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days. There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal plane shutter, if memory serves. The way the problem was addressed in the old days was to use leaf shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf shutter lenses in the digital age. If such a solution were available, the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were. Other concerns: Focus Peaking: Has it Mirror Lock-up: Has it Kick-ass FPS: Has it Improved AF: Has it Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat). If there is one feature that would have video geeks and astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling. I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is: http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: it's time ...
Anyone know what it will be selling for? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Absolutely, George, and it works great -- but only with a single flash, triggered optically or on-camera. But I'm strictly using radio triggers now and often multiple lights, so HSS is unfortunately just a novelty act for me now. Here's a macro shot I took using HSS with off-camera flash, triggered from the camera. It was taken in full noon-day sun in my front yard. I don't recall now if it was triggered with the popup or a 2nd AF540 in the hotshoe. Doesn't matter; both work. I think the key flash was bare, mounted on a mini-tripod on the ground. http://flic.kr/p/6i5Msb K20D, DA 35/2.8 @ f:4, 1/2500th sec, ISO 200. Actually pretty crappy shot now that I look back on it, but that was 4.5 years ago when I was very wet behind the ears. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:55 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Bruce - have you ever tried the high-speed sync option with an external flash? gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I have sympathy for the only 1/180th sec flash sync whine because I could benefit from faster there too. It would mean being able to use a flash or two to overcome bright sunlight. The Fuji x100s has a leaf shutter and ultra fast x-sync, like 1/2000th sec, and apparently it's astounding shooting with flash outdoors: http://strobist.blogspot.ca/2013/05/leaf-shutter-nd-flash-fuji-x100s.html But I just limit myself to early morning or late afternoon through evening outdoor location shoots and it's no big deal. Or I just find some shade and shoot midday. I very happily trade all these other great new things for the status-quo flash sync. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: The most whining I've seen is that there is no improvement in the 1/180th flash sync speed. I find this a bit humorous, being an old fart, and wondering how we ever got along in the 1/60th of a second film camera X-sync days. There was a manufacturer that attained 1/125th with a vertical focal plane shutter, if memory serves. The way the problem was addressed in the old days was to use leaf shutter lenses. In fact, even the film 645 and 67s had a couple of leaf shutter lens options. To my knowledge there are no Pentax leaf shutter lenses in the digital age. If such a solution were available, the whining would probably switch to how expensive they were. Other concerns: Focus Peaking: Has it Mirror Lock-up: Has it Kick-ass FPS: Has it Improved AF: Has it Improved video: Has it (still has the 25 minute limitation due to heat). If there is one feature that would have video geeks and astrophotographers cheering, it would be a way to add sensor cooling. I saw one innovative astrophotographer who did this to his camera by running tiny lines from a CO2 tank through the camera body over (or was it under) the sensor. AH, here it is: http://www.ledametrix.com/co2/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
On 7/10/13, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Looks interesting. Hopefully it will be all that everyone has been hoping for ... other than full frame, of course. I guess Cotty gets to wear his hat another year... ;-) Well, I guess when the FF K-1 is released in 2015, it'll probably be badged as a Ricoh - so the hat will stay on the plate! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: it's time ...
I saw an about of $1,300. Jack - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: Re: K-3: it's time ... Anyone know what it will be selling for? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Signs of the Season
..or they are planning a long winters nap. - Original Message - From: Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: Re: PESO - Signs of the Season Interesting. Traditionally we don't put up the tree until Christmas Eve. Maybe they just want to make sure to finish it on time:) -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: it's time ...
That would be outstanding. On Oct 7, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: I saw an about of $1,300. Jack - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: Re: K-3: it's time ... Anyone know what it will be selling for? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, the news has been out long enough now. Let the bashing and whinging begin. No cup-holders, damn it! -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
The inverted pyramid is the writer's friend as far as this sort of thing is concerned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid On 7 Oct 2013, at 10:25, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave up. Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit. Tell 'em what your're going to say. Say it. Summarize what you said. Or indeed: Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em Tell 'em Tell 'em what you just told 'em (Which is not the same as the inverted pyramid) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - why should anyone want to read it? Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences. B On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Stuff -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Signs of the Season
They should be burned at the stake. We haven't even had Diwali yet. On 7 Oct 2013, at 14:45, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: Last week I ran an errand at the local shopping center. These guys were busy putting up the Christmas Tree. I guess I'd better get busy. I never put up the tree until after Thanksgiving. Silly me, I take my holidays one at a time. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/7/signs-of-winter gs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
Bob, here's a counter technique that would've worked, if used: So when you start with that agenda slide (tell ‘em what you’re going to say) their attentions immediately wander, they pick up their phones, and you’ve lost ‘em. Instead, launch right in with a framing story or an idea that will grab their attention and at the same time tell them why they’re there. That’s what audiences want to have answered right away – not what you’re going to say, but _why they’re there_. http://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorgan/2012/04/02/giving-a-presentation-dont-tell-em-what-youre-going-to-say/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: The inverted pyramid is the writer's friend as far as this sort of thing is concerned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid On 7 Oct 2013, at 10:25, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave up. Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit. Tell 'em what your're going to say. Say it. Summarize what you said. Or indeed: Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em Tell 'em Tell 'em what you just told 'em (Which is not the same as the inverted pyramid) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - why should anyone want to read it? Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences. B On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Stuff -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
Indeed. The point is - anything but the Larrathon... Sorry, Larry! B On 7 Oct 2013, at 20:09, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Bob, here's a counter technique that would've worked, if used: So when you start with that agenda slide (tell ‘em what you’re going to say) their attentions immediately wander, they pick up their phones, and you’ve lost ‘em. Instead, launch right in with a framing story or an idea that will grab their attention and at the same time tell them why they’re there. That’s what audiences want to have answered right away – not what you’re going to say, but _why they’re there_. http://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorgan/2012/04/02/giving-a-presentation-dont-tell-em-what-youre-going-to-say/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: The inverted pyramid is the writer's friend as far as this sort of thing is concerned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid On 7 Oct 2013, at 10:25, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr It's missing an intro. There's no clear reason why it would be fruitful to climb that mountain of text. I got three paras in and gave up. Simply leaving a blank line between para's would also help, a bit. Tell 'em what your're going to say. Say it. Summarize what you said. Or indeed: Tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em Tell 'em Tell 'em what you just told 'em (Which is not the same as the inverted pyramid) On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Nobody's going to read that, whatever it's about. Several long blocks of text - why should anyone want to read it? Whatever it is you want to say, say it in less than 7 short sentences. B On 7 Oct 2013, at 08:56, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Stuff -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Instead, launch right in with a framing story or an idea that will grab their attention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_medias_res I've been using this a lot in high school without the tell them why they’re there part (in writing, I weren't giving presentations). I thought I'm being original until my teacher told me it's the oldest trick in the book:) -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 08:19:11PM +0100, Bob W wrote: Indeed. The point is - anything but the Larrathon... Sorry, Larry! Like I said, I started it way too late at night, I thought it was going to be a couple of paragraphs. I posted it on facebook to start a conversation about appreciating the work that goes into being the unofficial community photographer. It was a lot longer than I intended, but I needed to go to bed, so I just posted what I had. I thought that some people on this list might be interested in the subject and discussion, because they ended up being the parent that gets the shots everyone uses of the kids soccer games, or school plays, or like me, in the dance community. As was observed, I just copied it from facebook and pasted it into my text editor mail client. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Peso The Game
Here is one I've been meaning to post for a week or two. Don't ask me what camera I used. It wasn't k-3. CC etc. https://plus.google.com/100687245332697763729/posts/GKQfMf8e9s7 http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/10143301786/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Arca-Swiss P0 arrives...
And this image sums up my opinion of it: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5046748928/h717AD82F/ Looks like clear skies, so hoping to take another whack with the O-GPS AstroTrack tonight. -- Nothing is sure but death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Is there a way to speed up uploads to Flikr?
On Oct 6, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: So you have to make the best of what you've got and that means reducing the amount of data you are sending. I noticed that you are uploading your full-sized camera images: 2008x3008 pixels. Do you really need to do that? Would 684x1024 be good enough? This depends on who you are uploading these for. Thanks, Bruce. My apologies for taking so long to respond, but do appreciate the suggestions. I didn't realize was exporting full-size images. My settings have resize to 1000H X 1000W pixels at 240 pixels per inch. I'll give some thought to whether I want to continue doing that. Probably not. A hesitation concerns setting the H/W ratio. Is there a way to get LR to do that? I also noticed that your images are noisy (based on your PESO image 20130916-IMGP6886 at 2008x3008). You may not care about a little noise but it makes your JPEGs larger. This is because the more high frequency content in an image the less the JPEG compression algorithms can squeeze it. Noise is useless high frequency content. You're using Lightroom 5 so you should apply some noise reduction to all your images. You can make it a default setting applied during import. I'm aware of the noise, especially, as is often the case, especially indoors, when I've used high ISO. I've rarely done more than the simple editing provided under Quick Develop in the Library module. Time venture out and learn to do something new. I'll start experimenting with the settings under Detail/Noise Reduction in the Develop module. After that, well if you can't make the uploads any faster, then at least make them more convenient -- make them run in the background. Since you're using Lightroom, you should configure the builtin Flickr Exporter (uploader). It will let you down-size the uploaded images, compress them more, convert them to sRGB, etc, all automatically during the upload. I've uploaded one set using the built-in uploader. Once I get the hang of it I can see it will be more convenient. I see how to resize, but not compress or set the color space. The options under file settings are greyed-out and do not include setting the color space. Hope that helps, Eric. It will take some practice, but it certainly does. Sincerely, -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Chief Seattle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-3 musings
Looking at: http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-full-images-and-price/ Note that there seems to be a dedicated button for switching the fiveway switch between focus point selection and the other functions. Looking at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-box Battery Charger Kit K-BC90 is the same battery charger for the K-5 and K-7. Focusing Screen MF-60 Frame Matte, is also the same as for the K-5 and K-7. Optional BG-5 Battery Grip The BG-5, designed exclusively for the K-3, is not backward compatible. optionally accepts six AA-sized batteries as well as the standard lithium-ion rechargeable battery Comparing this picture of the K-3: http://www.cameraegg.org/pentax-k-3-full-images-and-price/ and this of the K-5 http://www.ephotozine.com/articles/pentax-k5-ii-review-20717/images/highres-pentax-k-5-II-16_1352979281.jpg Does there seem to be more room around the sensor in the K-3 than in the K-5? Or is that just a trick of the light? K-5 Dimensions 5.2 x 3.8 x 2.9 in K-3 Dimensions 5.17in x 3.94in x 3.05in -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Is there a way to speed up uploads to Flikr?
On 7 Oct 2013, at 21:24, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Oct 6, 2013, at 3:00 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: So you have to make the best of what you've got and that means reducing the amount of data you are sending. I noticed that you are uploading your full-sized camera images: 2008x3008 pixels. Do you really need to do that? Would 684x1024 be good enough? This depends on who you are uploading these for. Thanks, Bruce. My apologies for taking so long to respond, but do appreciate the suggestions. I didn't realize was exporting full-size images. My settings have resize to 1000H X 1000W pixels at 240 pixels per inch. I'll give some thought to whether I want to continue doing that. Probably not. A hesitation concerns setting the H/W ratio. Is there a way to get LR to do that? On the export dialog box you can tell it the maximum dimensions to apply to one of the sides. I have it set to the long side. You'll need to be judicious about choosing a number that's neatly divisible so that the system doesn't have to do any thinking and mangling to fit the common ratios, such as 1:1, 1:2, 2:3, 3:4. 960 is a good number. The duodecimal system is much better than the decimal system in many ways. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Too much post-processing?
Hello there! (I hope to keep this mail short...) Two weekends ago during a rainy day I was out photographing. Unfortunately I didn't got too many photos, and none that I'm too glad of. However I found one that during post-processing made me wonder about how visible or heavy my retouches are... Thus I would like some help in this matter: do you think I've overdone the fine touches? http://data.volution.ro/ciprian/bdf753de58c560bc/747077f330c992ad-a.jpg http://data.volution.ro/ciprian/bdf753de58c560bc/747077f330c992ad-b.jpg For comparison I've included the two variants of the same photo above: one obtained with a simple `dcraw` from the RAW (auto white-balance, etc. plus resize), and the second one my retouched variant in RawTherapee. However I won't say which is which just to keep the experiment unbiased. (But just don't peek into the Exif info.) :) Thanks, Ciprian. P.S.: I must note that by post-processing I mean just raw conversion in RawTherapee with LAB touches, sharpening and noise reduction. No tone-mapping and other color madness. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: facebook post about being the community photographer
On 07/10/2013 1:29 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mon, Oct 07, 2013 at 08:19:11PM +0100, Bob W wrote: Indeed. The point is - anything but the Larrathon... Sorry, Larry! Like I said, I started it way too late at night, I thought it was going to be a couple of paragraphs. I posted it on facebook to start a conversation about appreciating the work that goes into being the unofficial community photographer. Generally, you will find that the Reader's Digest version is the way to go. If you can't do that, you need to be funny. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
On 07/10/2013 5:06 AM, Darren Addy wrote: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs You got a link that works? bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-3: And here are your OFFICIAL specs
Quoting Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com: On 07/10/2013 5:06 AM, Darren Addy wrote: http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/dslr/K-3_#!product-specs You got a link that works? Bruce posted this earlier: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/K-3/PENTAX%20-%20K-3.html#!product-highlights -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
