Re: Family portrait shoot in cold weather
Nicely caught group mood. The one holding the dog is twice warmed. Jack - Original Message - From: Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Family portrait shoot in cold weather Very nice work! On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: As promised, this is the shot that the family selected to be printed on gallery wrapped canvas. It's in my portfolio Portraits gallery, the second image: http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/post/40368293384/portrait-glamour On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Today I shot the family group photo that was the final impetus for my buying a K-3 several months sooner than I was going to. And it behaved itself very well, I'm happy to report. We all trouped down to the local park where we had a backdrop of lightly snow-covered leaves and brush. Besides carrying my 42 softbox umbrella around (with two AF540's inside for extra oomph), the challenge was keeping Gryphon the family's new Golden Retriever puppy interested in looking at the camera. :-) I was concerned that the batteries in either the flashes or the K-3 would pooch out early because of the cold (-6C with a -12C windchill), but they all held up just fine for the whole shoot. When I got back home I did have to leave the K-3 in its baggie to warm up for about two hours to reach room temp. I think all the metal in it is to blame for that. The patriarch is happy with the proofs I sent him (his wife hasn't double-checked them yet), and the images looked good to me too, so I think we have an overall win. I do need to learn much more about directing a group though. I had the best luck with the dog as I had a loud squeeky toy in my pocket to attract his nose in my direction. I need such a toy for teenaged boys too. No PESO/GESO, yet. Maybe later. -- -bmw -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Bandit watching Sant's Arrival
Tom Mix's horse NO. But Lariat Sam had Tippy Toes the Wonder Horse, and Tom Terrific had Mighty Manfred the Wonder Dog ... h? Do I perceive a pattern here? FWIW, I think Sgt. Preston was with the North-West Mounted Police. I'm not sure, but I think they were a predecessor agency that later became the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. On 12/15/2013 1:06 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Yeah. He was Sgt Preston of the Yukon on radio, too. I think it was a 15 minute show every day. Here in the midwest, it aired between 5 and 6 PM, just before Tom Mix. (Anyone remember the name of Tom Mix's horse?) ; ] -p On 12/14/2013 9:39 PM, John wrote: Made it on to television as Sergeant Preston of the Yukon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vIu_Z145e0list=PLXV1VAzbazIhVr_JDG6U1c_CAiDc4bhEn On 12/14/2013 4:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: No, Yolanda, that is a pose out of Yukon King, the faithful companion of Sergeant Preston of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. (For the young kids on the list, that was a popular radio show when I was a wee lad.) Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Yolanda Rowe ypr...@gmail.com wrote: What a gorgeous specimen! Love the Rin Tin Tin pose. Yonnie On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: On 12/14/2013 11:52, Kenneth Waller wrote: Beautiful animal, great pose! I agree How old Dan? Dan is old ann -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO: Bandit watching Sant's Arrival http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17622452 Santa came to our neighborhood on a fire truck. My Malamute that it most interesting. Comments are welcome. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Ten Fifty-five
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote: Another one found while trawling the archives: http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/_IGP0362a-peso.html http://tinyurl.com/o7xwyum Comments/criticism most welcome. Look Ma, a big clock with no moving parts:) I like the light on the dial, it brings out the worn look well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT My photographic year
My Sigma 24-70/f2.8 came back repaired under warranty. I'm not sure if it was Sigma's warranty or warranty from the local store I bought it from. Either way, it was no hassle for me other than when I noticed it was broke not having it while it was away being repaired. I took my Tokina 28-70/f2.8 that was acting flaky (gave F-- readings on my K10D K20D) into the same local store to have their repair guy check it out. He couldn't find anything wrong with it, and so far it hasn't failed again since then. I'm figuring it's due to the perversity of the universe that it's only broke until you take it in to be repaired they can't find anything wrong. I've noticed that with cars before. That repair guy is the same one who kept my K1000 for about 16 months, but was finally able to get the shutter regulated working again. He decided not to charge me because it took so long. I'd have willingly paid. I love my K1000. Oh ... I went out to Arizona New Mexico last January and took a bunch of photos. On 12/15/2013 11:02 AM, Attila Boros wrote: Hi Rob, Good to hear things worked out for you. No K3 deals around here either... As for the PS, I'm waiting to see your pictures ;) Seasons Greetings to you too! Attila On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Team, It's been another tumultuous year for me personally, lots of things to contend with on the life front but all seems to be coming together slowly towards the end of the year. The good thing is that I have been earning money (often too many hours) but also finding time to get out and shoot my Pentax kit at least locally. I've been venturing into exciting new territories for me, some of which I may be able to share next year. I do have to review my kit over the next year, the K5's are working for me but not as well as I imagine a set of K3 bodies might in the similar circumstances. Unfortunately there have been no notable deals on K3's in Oz (excepting a silver kit) and I don't expect discounting as the local currency is continually weakening, that said it may be a better time to sell some of my excess gear though I'm not remotely excited by the notion of the sales process. Because of my current living situation I tend to pack a a fairly robust photo-kit, basically I'm prepared for anything but in doing so I'm lugging about an almost 10kg pack virtually everywhere I go. It is wearing on me and those about me, so in an effort to keep the peace and get sensible again I finally bit the bullet and bought a point and shoot that will suffice in the 50% of situations where I really don't need a honking great DSLR. So tonight I get to test out my most loathed on this list brand of camera in low light at the local carols by candle-light with my now seven year old son. I might even post a GESO :) Seasons greeting to all and I hope to be list-lurking less next year. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: ping
On 12/15/2013 12:45 PM, Bob W wrote: gnip So, what's gnu? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
SV: PESO - Still, Life
That is one great group shot! Jostein -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Marco Alpert Dato: 16. desember 2013 08:16 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: PESO - Still, Life http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo13/peso22.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
SV: PESO - Late in the Season
What Brian said. Jostein -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Brian Walters Dato: 15. desember 2013 23:27 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: PESO - Late in the Season Quoting Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: ...and probably covered with snow by now: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17624479size=lg or http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17624479-lg.jpg (K-5, DA 16-45) Comments? Yeah, I like that. The orange colour contrasts well with the overall muted tones of the image. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - First Snow Crystals 2013/14
Thanks, Bruce - I used to do a little dog pony show for camera clubs whatnot where I went into all of the detail about how to take snow crystals - I don't know if any of the folks who attended those ever took any though! Mark On 12/15/2013 7:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Fabulous images, as always, Mark. Is your snow crystal shooting how-to book on sale yet? :-) Seriously, I'm certain there's a market. On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/first-snowcrystal-photos-for-december-2013 Pentax K-3, SMC DFA 50mm f2.8, flash. The snow crystals were not too well formed but the K-3 and DFA 50 did a great job. The start of the season is always about getting setup again and getting things working properly. This year aside form upgrading the camera and lens I stopped using the AF360FGZ and just slapped a little Achiever manual flash onto a PC to hot shoe adapted and ran it through an Olympus Safe Synch. The AF360 kept going into power saving mode and then resetting itself, requiring constant attention. TGhe little manual flash with a bit of white cloth wrapped around it works great. Lots of detail in the K-3 images - I think the DFA 50mm f2.8 is optically superior to the Sigma EX 50 that I used before (the non-digital version). Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - First Snow Crystals 2013/14
Thanks, Paul! On 12/15/2013 7:53 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Superb. As expected. Paul via phone On Dec 15, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/first-snowcrystal-photos-for-december-2013 Pentax K-3, SMC DFA 50mm f2.8, flash. The snow crystals were not too well formed but the K-3 and DFA 50 did a great job. The start of the season is always about getting setup again and getting things working properly. This year aside form upgrading the camera and lens I stopped using the AF360FGZ and just slapped a little Achiever manual flash onto a PC to hot shoe adapted and ran it through an Olympus Safe Synch. The AF360 kept going into power saving mode and then resetting itself, requiring constant attention. TGhe little manual flash with a bit of white cloth wrapped around it works great. Lots of detail in the K-3 images - I think the DFA 50mm f2.8 is optically superior to the Sigma EX 50 that I used before (the non-digital version). Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT (slightly): Cryptic Clue 1
Here in the states RA has a couple of different meanings: 1. Resident Assistant - the university's stooge in your dormitory. 2. Red Ass - anger (very angry anger; steam coming out of your ears anger) usually in the third person, as in He had a real bad case of the RA. Maybe the second is a colloquialism just in the Southeastern US. On 12/15/2013 3:41 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting John Francis jo...@panix.com: Arrived with gunners clues came + RA. RA is an abbreviation for Royal Artillery (a regiment in the British Army), who are colloquially known as the gunners. Thanks John (and Alan). Actually I did get the 'gunners' connection. In a former life, which I try very hard to forget, I was one. I just didn't get the 'Royal' part. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:20:27AM +1100, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Alan C c...@lantic.net: Yeah. You won't get off that easily next time! For the cryptically challenged amongst us (perhaps I'm the only one?) would you care to explain the derivation? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - First Snow Crystals 2013/14
Thanks, Christine - based on the blanket of snow on the ground, I'd say winter is here indeed! On 12/15/2013 8:21 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: Excellent! So it's official! It's winter now! Love your snow crystal work, Mark, and I find the different shapes and designs of the crystals wonderous! Mother Nature is a superb artist! Cheers, Christine Sent from my iPad On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/first-snowcrystal-photos-for-december-2013 Pentax K-3, SMC DFA 50mm f2.8, flash. The snow crystals were not too well formed but the K-3 and DFA 50 did a great job. The start of the season is always about getting setup again and getting things working properly. This year aside form upgrading the camera and lens I stopped using the AF360FGZ and just slapped a little Achiever manual flash onto a PC to hot shoe adapted and ran it through an Olympus Safe Synch. The AF360 kept going into power saving mode and then resetting itself, requiring constant attention. TGhe little manual flash with a bit of white cloth wrapped around it works great. Lots of detail in the K-3 images - I think the DFA 50mm f2.8 is optically superior to the Sigma EX 50 that I used before (the non-digital version). Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On 12/15/2013 6:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:30:15AM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:06 AM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: I have maybe 2 dozen pictures of family from before I was born, and that's going back 2 generations. My family's descendents will have much more to choose from. I take pity on Larry's descendants. ;-) Nothing to worry about, the combination of my personality and my looks seem to have been sufficient to take me out of the gene pool. As I approach my mid-fifties the probability of my having descendants for you to worry about approaches zero. Not to late to adopt. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2013 - 203, 204, 205 - GDG
On 12/15/2013 1:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I carried a long lens on my Saturday morning walk this week, hoping to try my luck at shooting a couple of birds. Not a bird in the sky the entire time I was there. Such it is, I looked for new ways of seeing my usual subjects with the long lens. :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387818783/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387697005/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387723634/ Thanks for looking, comments always appreciated. Godfrey --- “An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind.” ― Mahatma Gandhi I really like the framing on that first one. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - First Snow Crystals 2013/14
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/first-snowcrystal-photos-for-december-2013 Pentax K-3, SMC DFA 50mm f2.8, flash. The snow crystals were not too well formed but the K-3 and DFA 50 did a great job. The start of the season is always about getting setup again and getting things working properly. This year aside form upgrading the camera and lens I stopped using the AF360FGZ and just slapped a little Achiever manual flash onto a PC to hot shoe adapted and ran it through an Olympus Safe Synch. The AF360 kept going into power saving mode and then resetting itself, requiring constant attention. TGhe little manual flash with a bit of white cloth wrapped around it works great. Lots of detail in the K-3 images - I think the DFA 50mm f2.8 is optically superior to the Sigma EX 50 that I used before (the non-digital version). Mark Amazing detail, pretty crystals. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Believe (and backstory)
I thought maybe she'd decked him. Rick On Dec 16, 2013, at 12:51 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: Thanks to Paul, John, Bob and Don for the comments. And as for the backstory, Bob pretty much nailed it. The guy on the ground was actually trying to get a combo photo of his wife (at least I imagine it was his wife) and the big tree in the same shot. I just happened by at the opportune moment. -Marco On Dec 13, 2013, at 12:51 AM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo13/peso21.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT (slightly): Cryptic Clue 1
Yeah. Here in the upper Midwest we don't talk that way. We're sofistikated. ;) -p Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 7:05 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: Here in the states RA has a couple of different meanings: Maybe the second is a colloquialism just in the Southeastern US. On 12/15/2013 3:41 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting John Francis jo...@panix.com: Arrived with gunners clues came + RA. RA is an abbreviation for Royal Artillery (a regiment in the British Army), who are colloquially known as the gunners. Thanks John (and Alan). Actually I did get the 'gunners' connection. In a former life, which I try very hard to forget, I was one. I just didn't get the 'Royal' part. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:20:27AM +1100, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Alan C c...@lantic.net: Yeah. You won't get off that easily next time! For the cryptically challenged amongst us (perhaps I'm the only one?) would you care to explain the derivation? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Believe (and backstory)
I see it now. He's got one of those little hold it out at arms length look at the little TV screen on the back cameras in his right hand. I didn't see it until I knew to look for it. On 12/16/2013 12:51 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: Thanks to Paul, John, Bob and Don for the comments. And as for the backstory, Bob pretty much nailed it. The guy on the ground was actually trying to get a combo photo of his wife (at least I imagine it was his wife) and the big tree in the same shot. I just happened by at the opportune moment. -Marco On Dec 13, 2013, at 12:51 AM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo13/peso21.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On 12/16/2013 7:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. Oh, I'm not complaining about the existence of Autotune when it's used lightly and deftly. But, in contemporary pop music, it's not. And I say that with the full authority of being among the vocally challenged. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Cryptic Clue 2
You're obviously getting bored, so here's no. 2: Has short Leo shot elephants on the horizon with this accessory? (9,4) Alan C (aka Wisselstroom) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
What is photographic art?
When a medium belongs exclusively to the artists then it remains an art form. But popularity, it seems, destroys art. (eg, the mobile went from an art form to a baby crib toy) Kodak is to blame for the change in photography and that was about a century ago. There is a remnant of photographic art. Some here do it quite well. Others of us just try hard. Art is more than the individualism of the eye of the beholder. Such pomo definitions destroy all meaning. Art is a rigorous creation, an image which speaks clearly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO 2013 - 206-211 - GDG
Thanks for all the comments on 203, 204, and 205. I posted a few more from the same walk, those who walked through my recent photos on Flickr probably saw them already. Color http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387822423/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387726394/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387698935/ BW http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387701315/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387828653/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387703305/ enjoy! G --- I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them long winter evenings. -- Philip Marlowe (Humphrey Bogart) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
-Opprinnelig melding- From: CollinB When a medium belongs exclusively to the artists then it remains an art form. But popularity, it seems, destroys art. Ironically, that seems not to apply to rhetorics. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: My trip to Italy
Months after the trip (it was in early July) I've finally put up a gallery of shots from our vacation in Italy. We didn't get to meet up with any Italian PDML members but somehow managed to enjoy ourselves anyway. http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/italy1/index.htm -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
On 16/12/2013 8:58 AM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote: -Opprinnelig melding- From: CollinB When a medium belongs exclusively to the artists then it remains an art form. But popularity, it seems, destroys art. Ironically, that seems not to apply to rhetorics. :-) Jostein I'm making the popcorn. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: When a medium belongs exclusively to the artists then it remains an art form. But popularity, it seems, destroys art. (eg, the mobile went from an art form to a baby crib toy) Kodak is to blame for the change in photography and that was about a century ago. There is a remnant of photographic art. Some here do it quite well. Others of us just try hard. Art is more than the individualism of the eye of the beholder. Such pomo definitions destroy all meaning. Art is a rigorous creation, an image which speaks clearly. Well you woke up bored, didn't you, Collin? :-D Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oodles of stuff...
what would you take for the at-x?? On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Just a follow-up. The 4x5 Busch Pressman has been sold. And an M50 f1.7 has been sold. I've got a SPECIAL going right now: Beautiful working Pentax MX with fresh batteries, and M50 f1.7 for $125. If you want to put new seals in it, I 've got a set in the envelope that I will sell (with instructions) for an add'l $9. Free shipping to the U.S. - cheap shipping elsewhere! On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: No, but you are surprisingly close. :) On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:03 AM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: You are not getting that damaged a*300/4/ 1.7x from Pentax forums, are you? Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Everything is fine. Found a crazy good lens/tc combo package that is way underpriced at $500 and it is one of the few lenses I still have on my want list (that I can realistically GET). These deals seem to come along when I'm cash poor and have a lot tied up in inventory I need to sell. :\ Thx! Darren On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Will send pmt tonight or tomorrow, after my eBay stuff closes. This sale seems a real rush. Is everything ok? -Original Message- From: Darren Addy [mailto:pixelsmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:24 PM To: collinb Subject: Re: Oodles of stuff... It has been a while since I checked prices on the Pressman and it appears that the price I gave you is not consistent with the market. I would take $139 for the whole enchilada on the Pressman/holder/film. -D On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Price on Busch? Price on A35-105? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6921 - Release Date: 12/14/13 -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote: From: CollinB When a medium belongs exclusively to the artists then it remains an art form. But popularity, it seems, destroys art. Ironically, that seems not to apply to rhetorics. :-) grin -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Re: Family portrait shoot in cold weather
Thank you very much Jack, Ken, Christine, and Attila! On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: Nicely caught group mood. The one holding the dog is twice warmed. Jack On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: As promised, this is the shot that the family selected to be printed on gallery wrapped canvas. It's in my portfolio Portraits gallery, the second image: http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/post/40368293384/portrait-glamour On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Today I shot the family group photo that was the final impetus for my buying a K-3 several months sooner than I was going to. And it behaved itself very well, I'm happy to report. We all trouped down to the local park where we had a backdrop of lightly snow-covered leaves and brush. Besides carrying my 42 softbox umbrella around (with two AF540's inside for extra oomph), the challenge was keeping Gryphon the family's new Golden Retriever puppy interested in looking at the camera. :-) I was concerned that the batteries in either the flashes or the K-3 would pooch out early because of the cold (-6C with a -12C windchill), but they all held up just fine for the whole shoot. When I got back home I did have to leave the K-3 in its baggie to warm up for about two hours to reach room temp. I think all the metal in it is to blame for that. The patriarch is happy with the proofs I sent him (his wife hasn't double-checked them yet), and the images looked good to me too, so I think we have an overall win. I do need to learn much more about directing a group though. I had the best luck with the dog as I had a loud squeeky toy in my pocket to attract his nose in my direction. I need such a toy for teenaged boys too. No PESO/GESO, yet. Maybe later. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: Porcupine
Had some excitement in the garden this evening. Our Lab was barking madly at something in the undergrowth. There was a rattling sound (much like the rattlers I have seen on TV) - it turned out he had cornered a porcupine. They are not actually aggressive but present their rear end of sharp quills to any foe. Even Lions Leopards avoid them for fear of facial injuries. Having removed the Lab to safety, I grabbed my camera carefully took a few shots. Hopefully the porcupine will move on during the night. http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157638732821406/\ K7 with DA 18-55. Alan C (aka Wisselstroom) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: My trip to Italy
There's a lot to digest there, but based on my random dipping in, wow! great stuff, Mark. You didn't happen to get a plant ID on 7dd05028 did you? A beautiful little thing. Add Italy to my must-see places list ... On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Months after the trip (it was in early July) I've finally put up a gallery of shots from our vacation in Italy. We didn't get to meet up with any Italian PDML members but somehow managed to enjoy ourselves anyway. http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/italy1/index.htm -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re: PESO Snow Leaper
That photo makes an old man remember and smile. Thanks. Message: 14 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 14:09:13 -0500 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO Snow Leaper Message-ID: 6be6460a-c835-4f21-ac7b-6b344fe7f...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Had some fun shooting the neighborhood kids today. The k-3 did a good job of focusing through the snowflakes. I've had trouble getting earlier Pentax cameras to lock on the main image in these conditions. This guy is our next door neighbor, Grace's first love:-) http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17626367size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Bandit watching Sant's Arrival
Solid photo of a solid animal. You can tell something has his attention. Message: 14 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:10:11 -0500 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Bandit watching Sant's Arrival Message-ID: CAOmwt1xqgdadkSLtLBqJRR2DM-7MjR=75gvu8wmmwujrxca...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17622452 Santa came to our neighborhood on a fire truck. My Malamute that it most interesting. Comments are welcome. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Ensemble Espanol Dance Concert
Christine, I think these are great especially since you had no control of lighting. My favorites would be 2 5. Message: 12 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 00:51:24 -0600 From: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com To: PDML List pdmlEnsemble Espanol Dance conc...@pdml.net Subject: Message-ID: 8bb6be56-73a7-444a-893c-4ce6dadbb...@caguila.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Everyone: Darrel I attended a wonderful Spanish dance holiday concert tonight. Photography was allowed?just no flash. We had upper center seats, and all the shots were taken from my seat. All lights and sounds on the camera were turned off, and I only clicked the shutter when the music was loud. Darrel said he never heard the shutter once. I started out shooting at 4000 ISO, some at 5000 ISO, then dropped down to 640 for some slow shutter speeds. I shot about 120 frames, but these 6 are the best of the bunch. All are deep crops. I shot with the FA 50 f1.4, but I mainly shot at f2.8. I picked the third frame for my picture of the week because she?s my favorite dancer. Would have been interesting to shoot with the K-3; would have loved the improved low-light auto focus capabilities. Ensemble Espanol is in residence at Northeastern Illinois University. My sister is an administrator for the dance company. http://www.caguila.com/espanolconcert2013/index.html Comments welcome. Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - First Snow Crystals 2013/14
Bruce - I think Mark did doa book fo snowflakes, though didn't you Mark? I like the first of the three flakes best... ann On 12/16/2013 08:02, Mark C wrote: Thanks, Bruce - I used to do a little dog pony show for camera clubs whatnot where I went into all of the detail about how to take snow crystals - I don't know if any of the folks who attended those ever took any though! Mark On 12/15/2013 7:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Fabulous images, as always, Mark. Is your snow crystal shooting how-to book on sale yet? :-) Seriously, I'm certain there's a market. On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/first-snowcrystal-photos-for-december-2013 Pentax K-3, SMC DFA 50mm f2.8, flash. The snow crystals were not too well formed but the K-3 and DFA 50 did a great job. The start of the season is always about getting setup again and getting things working properly. This year aside form upgrading the camera and lens I stopped using the AF360FGZ and just slapped a little Achiever manual flash onto a PC to hot shoe adapted and ran it through an Olympus Safe Synch. The AF360 kept going into power saving mode and then resetting itself, requiring constant attention. TGhe little manual flash with a bit of white cloth wrapped around it works great. Lots of detail in the K-3 images - I think the DFA 50mm f2.8 is optically superior to the Sigma EX 50 that I used before (the non-digital version). Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
I'm calmer now than when I caused this little disaster on saturday.. through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I took with the Ist-d and K-5 .. windoze Xp is my system. I say most because anything i thought was actually good was put on smugmug, some were also put in different folders. all the files were under two folders , that ended up as subdirectories someplace they should not have been. in moving them around in Windows explorer they got deleted in error. Yes yes I stupidly said I really wanted to delete those files not realizing the files I didn't mean to delete were sub-folders of the one I did mean to delete. These are/were on my 1 Terrabit external harddrive on E, none of them are on my C drive. The harddrive is seagate with memeo which I had as a trial and , alas, never paid for when it came time to buy - nevermind why.. I didn't do it. been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS) My files were always uploaded using the date shot as a subdirectory (um folder in current parlance) under ALLPENTAXASOFFEB142011 or ALLPentaxK5asofJuly2013 Unless I put them on smugmug, I've lost everything I shot with the K-5 between end of July and december5th. LIkewise, if I didn't transfer images to a different folder or load to smugmug, I lost all the photos between Feb142011 and february 26th, 2013 I wouldnt ahve written such detail here except I need to remember it.. So , is there any hope for recovery? I'm trying to convince myself that if I didnt send a file to smugmug it wasnt worth much, but I know I had a lot of stuff photographed that I intended to list for sale that was lost but I know I had some stuff that was kind important that didnt go to smugmug. Anything I took with the little darkside camera is safe what do I do? ann the idiot -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
This software claims to be free and should be able to give you a clue about what's recoverable. I have not used it myself, but... no harm in downloading/installing and letting it scan your external drive to 'see what it can see' http://www.puransoftware.com/File-Recovery.html On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:11 , Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: I'm calmer now than when I caused this little disaster on saturday.. through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I took with the Ist-d and K-5 .. windoze Xp is my system. I say most because anything i thought was actually good was put on smugmug, some were also put in different folders. all the files were under two folders , that ended up as subdirectories someplace they should not have been. in moving them around in Windows explorer they got deleted in error. Yes yes I stupidly said I really wanted to delete those files not realizing the files I didn't mean to delete were sub-folders of the one I did mean to delete. These are/were on my 1 Terrabit external harddrive on E, none of them are on my C drive. The harddrive is seagate with memeo which I had as a trial and , alas, never paid for when it came time to buy - nevermind why.. I didn't do it. been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS) My files were always uploaded using the date shot as a subdirectory (um folder in current parlance) under ALLPENTAXASOFFEB142011 or ALLPentaxK5asofJuly2013 Unless I put them on smugmug, I've lost everything I shot with the K-5 between end of July and december5th. LIkewise, if I didn't transfer images to a different folder or load to smugmug, I lost all the photos between Feb142011 and february 26th, 2013 I wouldnt ahve written such detail here except I need to remember it.. So , is there any hope for recovery? I'm trying to convince myself that if I didnt send a file to smugmug it wasnt worth much, but I know I had a lot of stuff photographed that I intended to list for sale that was lost but I know I had some stuff that was kind important that didnt go to smugmug. Anything I took with the little darkside camera is safe what do I do? ann the idiot -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: My trip to Italy
Mark, Lots to look at and very nice. Italy is a great destination. Flowers and scenery! Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: There's a lot to digest there, but based on my random dipping in, wow! great stuff, Mark. You didn't happen to get a plant ID on 7dd05028 did you? A beautiful little thing. Add Italy to my must-see places list ... On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Months after the trip (it was in early July) I've finally put up a gallery of shots from our vacation in Italy. We didn't get to meet up with any Italian PDML members but somehow managed to enjoy ourselves anyway. http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/italy1/index.htm -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: My trip to Italy
On 16/12/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Months after the trip (it was in early July) I've finally put up a gallery of shots from our vacation in Italy. We didn't get to meet up with any Italian PDML members but somehow managed to enjoy ourselves anyway. http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/italy1/index.htm Some lovely work there (as usual!). You love those Dolomites don't you. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 09:45:51AM -0500, CollinB wrote: When a medium belongs exclusively to the artists then it remains an art form. The only people who are bigger wankers than self proclaimed artists, are the people who debate about what qualifies as art. Photos can be used to express beauty, express information or express emotion. If a photo accomplishes the goal of the photographer, subject or audience, it doesn't matter whether someone else thinks that it is art or not. But popularity, it seems, destroys art. (eg, the mobile went from an art form to a baby crib toy) The only thing popularity destroys is the opportunity for pretentiousness. Kodak is to blame for the change in photography and that was about a century ago. There is a remnant of photographic art. Some here do it quite well. Others of us just try hard. And some of us don't give a shit, we just like playing with our toys. If we get pretty pictures in the process, so much the better. Art is more than the individualism of the eye of the beholder. Such pomo definitions destroy all meaning. Art is a rigorous creation, an image which speaks clearly. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
Thanks for that, John. I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. Suffice it to say that while it's largely come to popular attention outside the recording industry as a result of its use as an effect, first in pop music back in the the Cher Believe days, and more recently in hip hop (and then everything), for every song that you hear using it as an effect, there's probably a hundred more that use it for its initially intended purpose where its use is entirely inaudible. And I can tell you that it's *not* just for the vocally challenged. It's used by many extremely talented vocalists, some in musical genres far from pop music. (And as a bonus, it gave me the entirely unexpected opportunity to be quoted in New York Times responding to Jay-Z: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/when-jay-z-hates-your-software/?_r=0 ) - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
Dumb question/suggestion from a Mac guy: On a Mac, when you delete files they go into the Trash which is just another folder (directory) in the file system. They stay there and can be dragged back to your photo folder or wherever until you empty the Trash. I vaguely recall that Windows is similar. I can't tell from your narrative whether you just Deleted the files, or if you also emptied the Trash? stan On Dec 16, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm calmer now than when I caused this little disaster on saturday.. through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I took with the Ist-d and K-5 .. windoze Xp is my system. I say most because anything i thought was actually good was put on smugmug, some were also put in different folders. all the files were under two folders , that ended up as subdirectories someplace they should not have been. in moving them around in Windows explorer they got deleted in error. Yes yes I stupidly said I really wanted to delete those files not realizing the files I didn't mean to delete were sub-folders of the one I did mean to delete. These are/were on my 1 Terrabit external harddrive on E, none of them are on my C drive. The harddrive is seagate with memeo which I had as a trial and , alas, never paid for when it came time to buy - nevermind why.. I didn't do it. been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS) My files were always uploaded using the date shot as a subdirectory (um folder in current parlance) under ALLPENTAXASOFFEB142011 or ALLPentaxK5asofJuly2013 Unless I put them on smugmug, I've lost everything I shot with the K-5 between end of July and december5th. LIkewise, if I didn't transfer images to a different folder or load to smugmug, I lost all the photos between Feb142011 and february 26th, 2013 I wouldnt ahve written such detail here except I need to remember it.. So , is there any hope for recovery? I'm trying to convince myself that if I didnt send a file to smugmug it wasnt worth much, but I know I had a lot of stuff photographed that I intended to list for sale that was lost but I know I had some stuff that was kind important that didnt go to smugmug. Anything I took with the little darkside camera is safe what do I do? ann the idiot -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
Larry Colen wrote: The only people who are bigger wankers than self proclaimed artists, are the people who debate about what qualifies as art. Have I mentioned lately that the 2013 PDML Quotations List will be out next week? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:20:11PM -0500, Mark Roberts wrote: Larry Colen wrote: The only people who are bigger wankers than self proclaimed artists, are the people who debate about what qualifies as art. Have I mentioned lately that the 2013 PDML Quotations List will be out next week? Is that an automark? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
Well you woke up bored, didn't you, Collin? :-D Cheers, -M. Reading too much Feyerabend. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
And some of us don't give a shit, we just like playing with our toys. If we get pretty pictures in the process, so much the better. Larry Nobody said we couldn't have fun. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I took with the Ist-d and K-5 .. snip been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS) Correct, the data is still there, but the clusters containing the data are now marked as free, meaning they can be overwritten any time if you write on the drive. As a rule DO NOT write anything on that drive until all your data is recovered. Not even as part of the recovery process, choose to recover your data on another drive. This way you can try multiple tools and see what works for you without doing further damage. I have used Advanced NTFS Undelete with very good results: http://www.datanumen.com/ntfs-undelete/ This is assuming you have a NTFS file system on that drive. Right click on the drive, choose Properties from the context menu, the file system type is displayed on the General tab. -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
Dumb question/suggestion from a Mac guy: On a Mac, when you delete files they go into the Trash which is just another folder (directory) in the file system. They stay there and can be dragged back to your photo folder or wherever until you empty the Trash. I vaguely recall that Windows is similar. I can't tell from your narrative whether you just Deleted the files, or if you also emptied the Trash? Stan On a local drive they go into the trash from which they may be recovered/restored. External drives force a permanent deletion. What remains is to undelete the files. That was easy in the DOS days but a little harder under Windows. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Oodles of stuff...
Update: I had an inquiry on my LX body, so I took some quickie phone pics of it and listed it on Pentax Forums Marketplace (in case anyone is interested). It is sort of silly-priced at $200 plus actual shipping (since that is what I have remaining to pay for my next purchase). http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/24-photographic-equipment-sale/245633-sale-nice-working-pentax-lx-body-late-3200-asa-model-worldwide.html On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Just a follow-up. The 4x5 Busch Pressman has been sold. And an M50 f1.7 has been sold. I've got a SPECIAL going right now: Beautiful working Pentax MX with fresh batteries, and M50 f1.7 for $125. If you want to put new seals in it, I 've got a set in the envelope that I will sell (with instructions) for an add'l $9. Free shipping to the U.S. - cheap shipping elsewhere! On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: No, but you are surprisingly close. :) On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:03 AM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: You are not getting that damaged a*300/4/ 1.7x from Pentax forums, are you? Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Everything is fine. Found a crazy good lens/tc combo package that is way underpriced at $500 and it is one of the few lenses I still have on my want list (that I can realistically GET). These deals seem to come along when I'm cash poor and have a lot tied up in inventory I need to sell. :\ Thx! Darren On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Will send pmt tonight or tomorrow, after my eBay stuff closes. This sale seems a real rush. Is everything ok? -Original Message- From: Darren Addy [mailto:pixelsmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:24 PM To: collinb Subject: Re: Oodles of stuff... It has been a while since I checked prices on the Pressman and it appears that the price I gave you is not consistent with the market. I would take $139 for the whole enchilada on the Pressman/holder/film. -D On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 2:19 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: Price on Busch? Price on A35-105? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6921 - Release Date: 12/14/13 -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- I don't have a problem with idiots. I have a problem with the fact that they have an internet connection. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Dumb question/suggestion from a Mac guy: On a Mac, when you delete files they go into the Trash which is just another folder (directory) in the file system. They stay there and can be dragged back to your photo folder or wherever until you empty the Trash. I vaguely recall that Windows is similar. I can't tell from your narrative whether you just Deleted the files, or if you also emptied the Trash? Of course this would be the first thing to try if the files are in the Trash - Recycle Bin on Windows. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:28 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: On a local drive they go into the trash from which they may be recovered/restored. External drives force a permanent deletion. This seems to be a common misconception. For details: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones) will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I took with the Ist-d and K-5 .. snip been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS) Correct, the data is still there, but the clusters containing the data are now marked as free, meaning they can be overwritten any time if you write on the drive. As a rule DO NOT write anything on that drive until all your data is recovered. Not even as part of the recovery process, choose to recover your data on another drive. This way you can try multiple tools and see what works for you without doing further damage. I second Attila on this, don't try to write anything, and if asked for recovery in Windows don't accept it. (I.e. if you've just removed it from the USB port instead of removing it safely.) If possible I would suggest to not even connect the disk to the computer, and ask for someone very tech-savy to help you. (See the right procedure later in the email.) About the possibility of the files being in Recycled Bin I would say the following: * to my knowledge Windows XP doesn't use recycle for removable drives, which is the case with your external drive; * if the deletion was not instantaneous (i.e. under a second) then most certainly it wasn't moved there; The right procedure in such cases is the following: * make a byte-to-byte image of the disk (or partition); (this is done with specialized tools, not through Explorer;) * do any recovery attempts on the clone, thus allowing you to try other alternatives; I can't suggest any Windows application -- only for Linux, as I'm a Linux user for a lot of time -- but I could ask tomorrow my colleagues. Bottom-line: don't touch the drive unless you're certain about what you are doing (i.e. including consequences), and only after you've cooled-down. Unfortunately I'm of not much help, Ciprian. P.S.: Most recovery applications would write to the disk, thus I'm not sure it's a good idea to run them on the direct disk; P.P.S.: Do you remember the file-system type (i.e. NTFS / FAT)? Did you reformat the drive after buying? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
This seems to be a common misconception. For details: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en -us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones) will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive. So the deleted files *may* be on her main system? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: This seems to be a common misconception. For details: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en -us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones) will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive. So the deleted files *may* be on her main system? I'm quoting and annotating the document that Attila was referring to: The Recycle Bin provides a safety net when deleting files or folders. When you delete any of these items from your hard disk, Windows places it in the Recycle Bin and the Recycle Bin icon changes from empty to full. Items deleted from a floppy disk or a network drive are permanently deleted and are not sent to the Recycle Bin. The key words are floppy disk or a network drive, which if I'm not mistake are what Windows XP thinks about removable drives (even if their underlaying technology is a rotating disk, flash drive, SSD, or plain old floppy). Fortunately the permanently deleted phrase is not almost always true, as the data still lingers on the drive for a while (i.e. until something else over-writes it.) Small detour: for SSD drives, or other types of hardware, supporting the `TRIM` (or was it `DISCARD`?) operation, and for those file-systems that support that operation (I know some only on Linux), this deletion becomes quite permanent for the usual user. (I.e. I'm certain that specialized people could get back the data, but only through specialized hardware and software.) Windows allocates one Recycle Bin for each partition or hard disk. If your hard disk is partitioned, or if you have more than one hard disk in your computer, you can specify a different size for each Recycle Bin. This means that for the deletion to `Recycle Bin`, Windows won't move your files from one disk to another. (I.e. if you delete your files and then format the disk, the `Recycle Bin` and its files on that disk also disappear.) Ciprian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
Hmmm. I had never heard of auto-tune. Not too surprising actually as I am not a big audiophile. So I went to Wikipedia to find out what the %#%@ you all were talking about. Very interesting... [Laugh-In quote.] It seems to me that the next big technological revolution will be auto-synch. Singers can do their auto-tuned songs in their recording studios, and then they can do a perfect lip synch on stage, with auto-synch making real-time corrections to their appearance in order to maintain proper vocal/visual synch. Might be ok with broadcast performances, might be trick kin a Live setting. Even better would be some implants in the jaws and mouth, computer controlled, responsive to the piped in sounds the singers are supposed to be making as they pretend to sing. stan On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: Thanks for that, John. I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. Suffice it to say that while it's largely come to popular attention outside the recording industry as a result of its use as an effect, first in pop music back in the the Cher Believe days, and more recently in hip hop (and then everything), for every song that you hear using it as an effect, there's probably a hundred more that use it for its initially intended purpose where its use is entirely inaudible. And I can tell you that it's *not* just for the vocally challenged. It's used by many extremely talented vocalists, some in musical genres far from pop music. (And as a bonus, it gave me the entirely unexpected opportunity to be quoted in New York Times responding to Jay-Z: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/when-jay-z-hates-your-software/?_r=0 ) - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:54:18PM -0500, CollinB wrote: This seems to be a common misconception. For details: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en -us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones) will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive. So the deleted files *may* be on her main system? No. They may be in a recycle bin on the external drive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: My trip to Italy
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Months after the trip (it was in early July) I've finally put up a gallery of shots from our vacation in Italy. We didn't get to meet up with any Italian PDML members but somehow managed to enjoy ourselves anyway. http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/italy1/index.htm 403, this is bat country:) Anyway... 7dd06620-23 lovely architecture, I like the symmetric composition. Would be even better with fewer people in the foreground, but that's nitpicking. 7dd06615 made me tilt my head:) It works but gives me a strange feeling. 7dd04928 and 7dd04541 beautiful landscapes, the feeling of being there comes through well, reminds me of why I like to go to the mountains. 7dd05028 what Bruce said. Unusual looking flower and very nice. I'd also like to know what it is. Looks like a very nice vacation. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
You should have a look at these tools: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec or https://github.com/samueltardieu/recoverjpeg Recoverjpeg served me well in the past: it successfully recovered jpg files from a damaged usb stick and some sdcards. Its installation is straightforward under an Ubuntu live CD. Photorec seems to be able to recover jpeg, raw pef and dng... On Monday, December 16, 2013 7:57 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: This seems to be a common misconception. For details: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en -us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones) will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive. So the deleted files *may* be on her main system? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
Good idea, but as most of the current pop stars are already androids, most of them (at least the latest models) already have the auto-sync function built in. - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: Hmmm. I had never heard of auto-tune. Not too surprising actually as I am not a big audiophile. So I went to Wikipedia to find out what the %#%@ you all were talking about. Very interesting... [Laugh-In quote.] It seems to me that the next big technological revolution will be auto-synch. Singers can do their auto-tuned songs in their recording studios, and then they can do a perfect lip synch on stage, with auto-synch making real-time corrections to their appearance in order to maintain proper vocal/visual synch. Might be ok with broadcast performances, might be trick kin a Live setting. Even better would be some implants in the jaws and mouth, computer controlled, responsive to the piped in sounds the singers are supposed to be making as they pretend to sing. stan On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: Thanks for that, John. I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. Suffice it to say that while it's largely come to popular attention outside the recording industry as a result of its use as an effect, first in pop music back in the the Cher Believe days, and more recently in hip hop (and then everything), for every song that you hear using it as an effect, there's probably a hundred more that use it for its initially intended purpose where its use is entirely inaudible. And I can tell you that it's *not* just for the vocally challenged. It's used by many extremely talented vocalists, some in musical genres far from pop music. (And as a bonus, it gave me the entirely unexpected opportunity to be quoted in New York Times responding to Jay-Z: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/when-jay-z-hates-your-software/?_r=0 ) - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: My trip to Italy
Bob Sullivan wrote: Mark, Lots to look at and very nice. Italy is a great destination. Flowers and scenery! Food and wine, too ;-) For those who asked, the flower in 7dd05028 is a columbine of some sort but that's all we know. Never seen one that color before. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Still, Life
A very intriguing shot, Marco. I love the unique postures of each sitter, and that guy who looks like a secret service agent monitoring them behind. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo13/peso22.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Porcupine
I've never seen those quills closeup before; boy they look vicious. Good thing you got your dog away without incident! Porcupines are native to Ontario too, but I've only ever seen one in a zoo. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Had some excitement in the garden this evening. Our Lab was barking madly at something in the undergrowth. There was a rattling sound (much like the rattlers I have seen on TV) - it turned out he had cornered a porcupine. They are not actually aggressive but present their rear end of sharp quills to any foe. Even Lions Leopards avoid them for fear of facial injuries. Having removed the Lab to safety, I grabbed my camera carefully took a few shots. Hopefully the porcupine will move on during the night. http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/sets/72157638732821406/\ K7 with DA 18-55. Alan C (aka Wisselstroom) --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:45 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: When a medium belongs exclusively to the artists then it remains an art form. But popularity, it seems, destroys art. (eg, the mobile went from an art form to a baby crib toy) Kodak is to blame for the change in photography and that was about a century ago. There is a remnant of photographic art. Some here do it quite well. Others of us just try hard. Art is more than the individualism of the eye of the beholder. Such pomo definitions destroy all meaning. Art is a rigorous creation, an image which speaks clearly. There is no exact scientific definition of art. By that I mean to look at anything and be able to tell if it's art or not with certainty according to the definition. Such definition can't be given, but that's the beauty of it isn't it? It remains to each of us to decide whether something is art or not, but there are no hard and fast rules and we might come to different conclusions (this is why the eye of the beholder isn't a proper definition). Popularity doesn't destroy art unless your definition requires that art shouldn't be mainstream. To evoke in oneself a feeling one has once experienced, and having evoked it in oneself, then, by means of movements, lines, colors, sounds, or forms expressed in words, so to transmit that feeling that others may experience the same feeling — this is the activity of art. Art is a human activity consisting in this, that one man consciously, by means of certain external signs, hands on to others feelings he has lived through, and that other people are infected by these feelings and also experience them. (Leo Tolstoy) This is a good definition of the artistic process, describing the intention of the artist when he creates art. But will the same feelings be transmitted to the viewers is impossible to tell. I'd say if he succeeds to evoke any feelings then he created art. -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:19 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 01:54:18PM -0500, CollinB wrote: So the deleted files *may* be on her main system? No. They may be in a recycle bin on the external drive. What John said. Each drive has it's own space for the Recycle Bin, you can see a $RECYCLE.BIN directory on the drive (it's hidden). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. A long and prosperous career you had:) Like any tool, it can be used and abused. I'd say it's best used like makeup, it can be good when it's not bloody obvious. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. A long and prosperous career you had:) Like any tool, it can be used and abused. I'd say it's best used like makeup, it can be good when it's not bloody obvious. Analogy issue: makeup can also be good when it's _very_ obvious: eg theatre, or body painting. Ie when creating art. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Bandit watching Sant's Arrival
Thanks. He is always quite alert. He hears and sees things in the wood that never enter my consciousness. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: Solid photo of a solid animal. You can tell something has his attention. Message: 14 Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:10:11 -0500 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Bandit watching Sant's Arrival Message-ID: CAOmwt1xqgdadkSLtLBqJRR2DM-7MjR=75gvu8wmmwujrxca...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17622452 Santa came to our neighborhood on a fire truck. My Malamute that it most interesting. Comments are welcome. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 04:18:18PM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. A long and prosperous career you had:) Like any tool, it can be used and abused. I'd say it's best used like makeup, it can be good when it's not bloody obvious. You mean like HDR? Analogy issue: makeup can also be good when it's _very_ obvious: eg theatre, or body painting. Ie when creating art. But if everybody is doing it, is it still art? :-) -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I'd say it's best used like makeup, it can be good when it's not bloody obvious. You mean like HDR? Yes, that's a good example. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: My trip to Italy
Excellent gallery. Most enjoyable. Paul On Dec 16, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: There's a lot to digest there, but based on my random dipping in, wow! great stuff, Mark. You didn't happen to get a plant ID on 7dd05028 did you? A beautiful little thing. Add Italy to my must-see places list ... On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Months after the trip (it was in early July) I've finally put up a gallery of shots from our vacation in Italy. We didn't get to meet up with any Italian PDML members but somehow managed to enjoy ourselves anyway. http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/italy1/index.htm -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Analogy issue: makeup can also be good when it's _very_ obvious: eg theatre That's also a very good example, I wasn't thinking of it. or body painting That's strange because it works in the opposite way. Usually women wear suggestive clothing which makes you think they are wearing less (or almost nothing). At the first glance this http://funnydoom.com/wp-content/gallery/5painting/painting-0015.jpg makes you think she is fully clothed when in fact she isn't. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Death of Photography (again)
Take a look at Digitech's Vocalist Live series processors or TC-Helicon's VoiceLive series along with the Boss RC-30 Loop Station. On 12/16/2013 2:19 PM, Stan Halpin wrote: Hmmm. I had never heard of auto-tune. Not too surprising actually as I am not a big audiophile. So I went to Wikipedia to find out what the %#%@ you all were talking about. Very interesting... [Laugh-In quote.] It seems to me that the next big technological revolution will be auto-synch. Singers can do their auto-tuned songs in their recording studios, and then they can do a perfect lip synch on stage, with auto-synch making real-time corrections to their appearance in order to maintain proper vocal/visual synch. Might be ok with broadcast performances, might be trick kin a Live setting. Even better would be some implants in the jaws and mouth, computer controlled, responsive to the piped in sounds the singers are supposed to be making as they pretend to sing. stan On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:11 PM, Marco Alpert wrote: Thanks for that, John. I've been debating whether to jump in on the Auto-Tune issue, but since I've spent the last 15 years as the marketing guy for the company that invented and markets Auto-Tune, I was concerned that it might come off as a bit defensive. Suffice it to say that while it's largely come to popular attention outside the recording industry as a result of its use as an effect, first in pop music back in the the Cher Believe days, and more recently in hip hop (and then everything), for every song that you hear using it as an effect, there's probably a hundred more that use it for its initially intended purpose where its use is entirely inaudible. And I can tell you that it's *not* just for the vocally challenged. It's used by many extremely talented vocalists, some in musical genres far from pop music. (And as a bonus, it gave me the entirely unexpected opportunity to be quoted in New York Times responding to Jay-Z: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/when-jay-z-hates-your-software/?_r=0 ) - Marco On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:17 AM, John wrote: On 12/15/2013 3:19 AM, David Mann wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 6:13 am, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: The arts in general are due for a reckoning of some sort. People can only stand so much auto-tune in their music, and so many Instagram filters in their images, so many cinematic reboots of 20-year-old movies before they start longing for something more. Trouble is, the current generation is growing up to only know Autotune, Instagram and movie reboots. I went to see The Hobbit yesterday and saw a poster for a Robocop reboot. At this rate I'm going to pack up and run away to live as a hermit on the west coast :( Cheers, Dave When applied lightly, with a deft hand, Autotune can be a lifesaver ... or at least can save a less than perfect vocal performance. Everyone gets all wrapped around the axle over the way it's misused ignore the benefits it can have for the vocally challenged among us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
If I think it's art, then it's art ... at least as far as I'm concerned. Your mileage may vary. Professional driver on a closed course. Do not try this at home. Standard disclaimers apply. On 12/16/2013 3:58 PM, Attila Boros wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:45 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: When a medium belongs exclusively to the artists then it remains an art form. But popularity, it seems, destroys art. (eg, the mobile went from an art form to a baby crib toy) Kodak is to blame for the change in photography and that was about a century ago. There is a remnant of photographic art. Some here do it quite well. Others of us just try hard. Art is more than the individualism of the eye of the beholder. Such pomo definitions destroy all meaning. Art is a rigorous creation, an image which speaks clearly. There is no exact scientific definition of art. By that I mean to look at anything and be able to tell if it's art or not with certainty according to the definition. Such definition can't be given, but that's the beauty of it isn't it? It remains to each of us to decide whether something is art or not, but there are no hard and fast rules and we might come to different conclusions (this is why the eye of the beholder isn't a proper definition). Popularity doesn't destroy art unless your definition requires that art shouldn't be mainstream. To evoke in oneself a feeling one has once experienced, and having evoked it in oneself, then, by means of movements, lines, colors, sounds, or forms expressed in words, so to transmit that feeling that others may experience the same feeling — this is the activity of art. Art is a human activity consisting in this, that one man consciously, by means of certain external signs, hands on to others feelings he has lived through, and that other people are infected by these feelings and also experience them. (Leo Tolstoy) This is a good definition of the artistic process, describing the intention of the artist when he creates art. But will the same feelings be transmitted to the viewers is impossible to tell. I'd say if he succeeds to evoke any feelings then he created art. -- Attila -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
If you haven't emptied the Recycle Bin folder, they may still be in there. Right click the Recycle Bin and select explore. If they're in there right click the folder and select restore. That will put them back to where they were before you deleted them. On 12/16/2013 12:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm calmer now than when I caused this little disaster on saturday.. through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I took with the Ist-d and K-5 .. windoze Xp is my system. I say most because anything i thought was actually good was put on smugmug, some were also put in different folders. all the files were under two folders , that ended up as subdirectories someplace they should not have been. in moving them around in Windows explorer they got deleted in error. Yes yes I stupidly said I really wanted to delete those files not realizing the files I didn't mean to delete were sub-folders of the one I did mean to delete. These are/were on my 1 Terrabit external harddrive on E, none of them are on my C drive. The harddrive is seagate with memeo which I had as a trial and , alas, never paid for when it came time to buy - nevermind why.. I didn't do it. been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS) My files were always uploaded using the date shot as a subdirectory (um folder in current parlance) under ALLPENTAXASOFFEB142011 or ALLPentaxK5asofJuly2013 Unless I put them on smugmug, I've lost everything I shot with the K-5 between end of July and december5th. LIkewise, if I didn't transfer images to a different folder or load to smugmug, I lost all the photos between Feb142011 and february 26th, 2013 I wouldnt ahve written such detail here except I need to remember it.. So , is there any hope for recovery? I'm trying to convince myself that if I didnt send a file to smugmug it wasnt worth much, but I know I had a lot of stuff photographed that I intended to list for sale that was lost but I know I had some stuff that was kind important that didnt go to smugmug. Anything I took with the little darkside camera is safe what do I do? ann the idiot -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On 12/16/2013 1:30 PM, Attila Boros wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: through a series of hitting keys in error and then hitting one wrong intentionally but wrongly I basically deleted most of the photos I took with the Ist-d and K-5 .. snip been told that even though I deleted the files they are really still there (hear that a lot - after all I watch Bones and NCIS) Correct, the data is still there, but the clusters containing the data are now marked as free, meaning they can be overwritten any time if you write on the drive. As a rule DO NOT write anything on that drive until all your data is recovered. Not even as part of the recovery process, choose to recover your data on another drive. This way you can try multiple tools and see what works for you without doing further damage. I have used Advanced NTFS Undelete with very good results: http://www.datanumen.com/ntfs-undelete/ This is assuming you have a NTFS file system on that drive. Right click on the drive, choose Properties from the context menu, the file system type is displayed on the General tab. -- Attila I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you empty the Recycle Bin. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On 12/16/2013 1:54 PM, CollinB wrote: This seems to be a common misconception. For details: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en -us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones) will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive. So the deleted files *may* be on her main system? They should be in the Recycle Bin on whatever drive they were deleted from. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you empty the Recycle Bin. Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:19:16AM +0200, Attila Boros wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you empty the Recycle Bin. Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix. Just out of curiousity, is anybody else planning on updating their backups as soon as they get home? -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
USB drives are not network drives, but you do have to watch out for the message such so is too large to fit in the recycle bin. Do you want to delete it permanently? (or some such). I think they may still be recoverable even then if you don't write anything else to the drive after choosing permanent deletion, but it's going to take some kind of un-delete/file recovery software to do so. On 12/16/2013 2:07 PM, Ciprian Dorin Craciun wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM, CollinB coll...@brendemuehl.net wrote: This seems to be a common misconception. For details: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en -us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones) will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive. So the deleted files *may* be on her main system? I'm quoting and annotating the document that Attila was referring to: The Recycle Bin provides a safety net when deleting files or folders. When you delete any of these items from your hard disk, Windows places it in the Recycle Bin and the Recycle Bin icon changes from empty to full. Items deleted from a floppy disk or a network drive are permanently deleted and are not sent to the Recycle Bin. The key words are floppy disk or a network drive, which if I'm not mistake are what Windows XP thinks about removable drives (even if their underlaying technology is a rotating disk, flash drive, SSD, or plain old floppy). Fortunately the permanently deleted phrase is not almost always true, as the data still lingers on the drive for a while (i.e. until something else over-writes it.) Small detour: for SSD drives, or other types of hardware, supporting the `TRIM` (or was it `DISCARD`?) operation, and for those file-systems that support that operation (I know some only on Linux), this deletion becomes quite permanent for the usual user. (I.e. I'm certain that specialized people could get back the data, but only through specialized hardware and software.) Windows allocates one Recycle Bin for each partition or hard disk. If your hard disk is partitioned, or if you have more than one hard disk in your computer, you can specify a different size for each Recycle Bin. This means that for the deletion to `Recycle Bin`, Windows won't move your files from one disk to another. (I.e. if you delete your files and then format the disk, the `Recycle Bin` and its files on that disk also disappear.) Ciprian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What is photographic art?
Quoting Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 09:45:51AM -0500, CollinB wrote: When a medium belongs exclusively to the artists then it remains an art form. And some of us don't give a shit, we just like playing with our toys. If we get pretty pictures in the process, so much the better. I'm pretty much in the 'don't give a shit' camp. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Just out of curiousity, is anybody else planning on updating their backups as soon as they get home? Good call:) This reminds me one of my favorite quotes The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it. from here: http://www.jwz.org/doc/backups.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: SV: GESO - Lighthouse Wave Splashes
Thanks, Jostien! (Belatedly.) If memory serves em there are about 100 lighthouses on the great lakes, some more impressive than others. Someday I hope to visit some of the one's I haven't seen yet. Mark On 12/6/2013 4:40 AM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote: Those Great American Lakes must be the best place in the world for lighthouse images. I so envy you the shots you make of them, Mark. Good timing on the splash. And that old one with the ice just underlines my point. Most lighthouses serve areas with salt water that rarely freeze up like that. Way cool, in more ways than one. Jostein -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: Mark C Dato: 6. desember 2013 02:28 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: GESO - Lighthouse Wave Splashes Been more or less off list due to work for the last few weeks, but I took today off and finally got to use the K-3 again! Some waves on Lake Michigan: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/wave-splashes-at-south-haven The Ricoh K-3 continues to rock! MCC -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO Snow Leaper
Neat action shot - reminds of a guru levitating over his mat :-) Mark On 12/14/2013 2:09 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Had some fun shooting the neighborhood kids today. The k-3 did a good job of focusing through the snowflakes. I've had trouble getting earlier Pentax cameras to lock on the main image in these conditions. This guy is our next door neighbor, Grace's first love:-) http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17626367size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2013 - 203, 204, 205 - GDG
Nice work - the first one_ Path- in particular - dreamy, great tonality, really pleasing. Mark On 12/15/2013 1:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I carried a long lens on my Saturday morning walk this week, hoping to try my luck at shooting a couple of birds. Not a bird in the sky the entire time I was there. Such it is, I looked for new ways of seeing my usual subjects with the long lens. :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387818783/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387697005/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387723634/ Thanks for looking, comments always appreciated. Godfrey --- “An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind.” ― Mahatma Gandhi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Question for those who had SDM or lens chip replaced
I have a question for those people who had SDM (or in general, lens chip) failed and replaced. I see that with one of the SDM lenses my K5 has the aperture and speed settings rapidly (as in crazily) fluctuating. (And the focus shows MF, regardless of the focus selector position.) I was wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the failed chip or that could be for a different reason. When I had a previous chip failure, I didn't see anything like this. When the chip failed in your lens, did you see this type of a fluctuation? I wonder if could be something else that happened to the lens. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for those who had SDM or lens chip replaced
I know you probably have, but I have to ask: did you clean the contacts well? Correct me if I'm wrong but aperture is read by passing current through the lens mount and the A pin. Oh wait. Digital lens. Hmm, maybe the aperture is controlled with the chip. I only have screw mount lenses, but getting a few DA lenses wet (and I mean soaked) resulted in MF only first and then eventually loss of aperture control. the MF only is telling. Sounds like you have a bad chip or a bad connection. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: I have a question for those people who had SDM (or in general, lens chip) failed and replaced. I see that with one of the SDM lenses my K5 has the aperture and speed settings rapidly (as in crazily) fluctuating. (And the focus shows MF, regardless of the focus selector position.) I was wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the failed chip or that could be for a different reason. When I had a previous chip failure, I didn't see anything like this. When the chip failed in your lens, did you see this type of a fluctuation? I wonder if could be something else that happened to the lens. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for those who had SDM or lens chip replaced
On 16/12/2013 5:57 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: I have a question for those people who had SDM (or in general, lens chip) failed and replaced. I see that with one of the SDM lenses my K5 has the aperture and speed settings rapidly (as in crazily) fluctuating. (And the focus shows MF, regardless of the focus selector position.) I was wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the failed chip or that could be for a different reason. When I had a previous chip failure, I didn't see anything like this. When the chip failed in your lens, did you see this type of a fluctuation? I wonder if could be something else that happened to the lens. Igor When the SDM in my 60-250 failed, all that differed from normal operation was the AF was dead instead of painfully slow. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for those who had SDM or lens chip replaced
I meant to say screw drive lenses, though I do have a few screw mounts as well. :) On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I know you probably have, but I have to ask: did you clean the contacts well? Correct me if I'm wrong but aperture is read by passing current through the lens mount and the A pin. Oh wait. Digital lens. Hmm, maybe the aperture is controlled with the chip. I only have screw mount lenses, but getting a few DA lenses wet (and I mean soaked) resulted in MF only first and then eventually loss of aperture control. the MF only is telling. Sounds like you have a bad chip or a bad connection. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: I have a question for those people who had SDM (or in general, lens chip) failed and replaced. I see that with one of the SDM lenses my K5 has the aperture and speed settings rapidly (as in crazily) fluctuating. (And the focus shows MF, regardless of the focus selector position.) I was wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the failed chip or that could be for a different reason. When I had a previous chip failure, I didn't see anything like this. When the chip failed in your lens, did you see this type of a fluctuation? I wonder if could be something else that happened to the lens. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for those who had SDM or lens chip replaced
What Bill said. Paul via phone On Dec 16, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/12/2013 5:57 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: I have a question for those people who had SDM (or in general, lens chip) failed and replaced. I see that with one of the SDM lenses my K5 has the aperture and speed settings rapidly (as in crazily) fluctuating. (And the focus shows MF, regardless of the focus selector position.) I was wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the failed chip or that could be for a different reason. When I had a previous chip failure, I didn't see anything like this. When the chip failed in your lens, did you see this type of a fluctuation? I wonder if could be something else that happened to the lens. Igor When the SDM in my 60-250 failed, all that differed from normal operation was the AF was dead instead of painfully slow. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2013 - 203, 204, 205 - GDG
I agree. The first one works for me. Paul via phone On Dec 16, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Nice work - the first one_ Path- in particular - dreamy, great tonality, really pleasing. Mark On 12/15/2013 1:46 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I carried a long lens on my Saturday morning walk this week, hoping to try my luck at shooting a couple of birds. Not a bird in the sky the entire time I was there. Such it is, I looked for new ways of seeing my usual subjects with the long lens. :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387818783/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387697005/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11387723634/ Thanks for looking, comments always appreciated. Godfrey --- “An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind.” ― Mahatma Gandhi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for those who had SDM or lens chip replaced
When the chip failed in your lens, did you see this type of a fluctuation? My SDM failure was a motor, as in it wouldn't focus automatically. It was the 16-50mm DA*. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org Subject: Question for those who had SDM or lens chip replaced I have a question for those people who had SDM (or in general, lens chip) failed and replaced. I see that with one of the SDM lenses my K5 has the aperture and speed settings rapidly (as in crazily) fluctuating. (And the focus shows MF, regardless of the focus selector position.) I was wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the failed chip or that could be for a different reason. When I had a previous chip failure, I didn't see anything like this. When the chip failed in your lens, did you see this type of a fluctuation? I wonder if could be something else that happened to the lens. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
thanks for all your input guys, Attila you were most helpful... Just FYI everyone - The dumb thing I did was to click/say yes when it asked if I wanted to really really really delete - because I thought I was deleting a duplicate folder. I think I'm probably screwed because I defragged thinking it would know the difference between always was empty and hidden deleted files. FIRST thing I'm doing is getting another drive and copying everything to it as it is now... then see if I can recover anything from the original one. but at the moment there is too much going on that has to be done in other areas to worry about 1 years worth of photos that I probably will forget I took next year anyway. All your letters and info is being saved back to cleaning house, selling on ebay, gathering christmas items,etc. ann On 12/16/2013 17:19, Attila Boros wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you empty the Recycle Bin. Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My trip to Italy
I like the isolation of your subjects in this collection. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com Subject: GESO: My trip to Italy Months after the trip (it was in early July) I've finally put up a gallery of shots from our vacation in Italy. We didn't get to meet up with any Italian PDML members but somehow managed to enjoy ourselves anyway. http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/italy1/index.htm -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for those who had SDM or lens chip replaced
My DA* 50-135 stopped focusing, but I didn't notice any other problems like you describe. Pentax has since replaced the motor, and I also have a new circuit board. It works nicely, though I still have to run it through more rigorous paces--this weekend hopefully. Cheers, Christine Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: I have a question for those people who had SDM (or in general, lens chip) failed and replaced. I see that with one of the SDM lenses my K5 has the aperture and speed settings rapidly (as in crazily) fluctuating. (And the focus shows MF, regardless of the focus selector position.) I was wondering if this is one of the symptoms of the failed chip or that could be for a different reason. When I had a previous chip failure, I didn't see anything like this. When the chip failed in your lens, did you see this type of a fluctuation? I wonder if could be something else that happened to the lens. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
Sandisk Rescue Pro... http://download.cnet.com/RescuePRO-Standard/3000-2242_4-10841762.html On 12/16/2013 4:16 PM, John wrote: On 12/16/2013 1:54 PM, CollinB wrote: This seems to be a common misconception. For details: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en -us/recycle_bin.mspx?mfr=true On short, deleted files from local hard drives (even external ones) will be placed in the Recycle Bin _unless_ you specify otherwise. The Recycle Bin can be configured independently for every hard drive. So the deleted files *may* be on her main system? They should be in the Recycle Bin on whatever drive they were deleted from. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: My trip to Italy
Very nice. Looks like you had a lovely trip. Pretty pics! Sent from my iPad On Dec 16, 2013, at 9:18 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Months after the trip (it was in early July) I've finally put up a gallery of shots from our vacation in Italy. We didn't get to meet up with any Italian PDML members but somehow managed to enjoy ourselves anyway. http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/italy1/index.htm -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
My continuing abusive relationship with the Pentax F 70-210mm
I'm not sure who's abusing whom at this point. I took the K20D with FA 20-35mm and F 70-210mm out for a jaunt, didn't actually take any photos. I'll preface this by saying that both lenses seemed to be working flawlessly mechanically. Got back with out inspiration striking. When putting the F 70-210 back on the shelf I once again checked out all functions, aperture ring is as good as ever aperture snappy, zoom ring smooth, focus ring... Focus ring is jammed solid on infinity. I never even took the lens out of the bag. Sheesh. Luckily I have the Vivitar 70-210 S1 as a backup, but this is bloody annoying. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
No that would depend. If the entire file structure was deleted, say a directory and all sub directories, then the entire directory would be marked as deleted if it were larger than the space allocated for the recycle bin. I expect that Ann's photo directory is larger than that space... On 12/16/2013 5:19 PM, Attila Boros wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you empty the Recycle Bin. Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: I have to scream now... techno-trouble here
Ann, if you defragged the disk, the files are now pretty much unrecoverable. While some of the space used by the files may not have been overwritten, the directory structures have all been rewritten. Anything left will most likely be recoverable only as fragments. On 12/16/2013 7:30 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: thanks for all your input guys, Attila you were most helpful... Just FYI everyone - The dumb thing I did was to click/say yes when it asked if I wanted to really really really delete - because I thought I was deleting a duplicate folder. I think I'm probably screwed because I defragged thinking it would know the difference between always was empty and hidden deleted files. FIRST thing I'm doing is getting another drive and copying everything to it as it is now... then see if I can recover anything from the original one. but at the moment there is too much going on that has to be done in other areas to worry about 1 years worth of photos that I probably will forget I took next year anyway. All your letters and info is being saved back to cleaning house, selling on ebay, gathering christmas items,etc. ann On 12/16/2013 17:19, Attila Boros wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:13 AM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't think the clusters are actually marked as free until you empty the Recycle Bin. Correct. I was assuming she did that, otherwise it's a very easy fix. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
