date:20140408


Quoting Henk Terhell hterh...@chello.nl:

Agree Linux Ubuntu is the way to to go to wipe off XP on your old PC  
and feel comfortable about these XP hazards. However I soon got  
tired of the interface of Ubuntu and switched now to the  
light-weight Ubuntu version Lubuntu on both an old desktop and a  
laptop.  LibreOffice and all of the Ubuntu software you need can be  
downloaded seperately in Lubuntu after installation. Lubuntu looks  
more like XP and is very fast.
Both Ubuntu and Lubuntu will get a new version on April 17 with  
5-year support. All at no cost.
There is no Photoshop/Lightroom for Linux (only GIMP)  but I use a  
Win8 desktop for that.



And that, I think, is the main problem.  There really isn't a  
Photoshop alternative on Linux.  GIMP threatens to get there but it's  
a long time coming.


I used Ubuntu for a year or two but eventually got sick of having to  
boot into XP to run Photoshop (I could never get it to run  
successfully under Wine on Linux).


These days I use Win 7 on my desktop and Vista on the laptop (despite  
it's bad reputation, I've found Vista quite OK).





Cheers

Brian

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Henk

mike wilson schreef op 8-4-2014 08:31:

Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu.  Download
the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk
before you install.  Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that
you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent.
Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new versions.
Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by default.
Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app.  Plenty of other apps in the
repositories.

As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources
to run.  It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from
press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might
be ready by then (really) to about 40 seconds.

On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want
to give up XP...

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread Henk Terhell

For me Vista was quite OK until it got slow and finally crashed. Win 8 
is also not bad but I got the classic desktop with the $ 5 Start8 
utility (so at least I know how to switch off the PC).
Win 8 (on an i7 processor with NVDIA GT-640 graphic card) handles 
Lightroom well. I think the file handling (Windows Explorer) is much 
improved in Win 8 compared to Vista.


Henk

Brian Walters schreef op 8-4-2014 10:54:

Quoting Henk Terhell hterh...@chello.nl:

Agree Linux Ubuntu is the way to to go to wipe off XP on your old PC 
and feel comfortable about these XP hazards. However I soon got tired 
of the interface of Ubuntu and switched now to the light-weight 
Ubuntu version Lubuntu on both an old desktop and a laptop.  
LibreOffice and all of the Ubuntu software you need can be downloaded 
seperately in Lubuntu after installation. Lubuntu looks more like XP 
and is very fast.
Both Ubuntu and Lubuntu will get a new version on April 17 with 
5-year support. All at no cost.
There is no Photoshop/Lightroom for Linux (only GIMP)  but I use a 
Win8 desktop for that.



And that, I think, is the main problem.  There really isn't a 
Photoshop alternative on Linux.  GIMP threatens to get there but it's 
a long time coming.


I used Ubuntu for a year or two but eventually got sick of having to 
boot into XP to run Photoshop (I could never get it to run 
successfully under Wine on Linux).


These days I use Win 7 on my desktop and Vista on the laptop (despite 
it's bad reputation, I've found Vista quite OK).





Cheers

Brian

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mike wilson schreef op 8-4-2014 08:31:

Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu.  Download
the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk
before you install.  Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that
you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent.
Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new versions.
Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by default.
Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app.  Plenty of other apps in the
repositories.

As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources
to run.  It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from
press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might
be ready by then (really) to about 40 seconds.

On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, 
that is.


Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want
to give up XP...

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Re: Leaping Tiger

2014-04-08 Thread knarf

I think it's a wonderful series. I agree with Bruce,  looks like motion blur 
which I'm fine with. Very dynamic. The last photo, nice and sharp with those 
big hunting eyes really sets it all off beautifully.

Lovely tabby, btw! Looks like lots of wild left in him.

Cheers,

frank

On 6 April, 2014 8:40:40 PM EDT, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
Cat Content Caution:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2014/04/06/leaping-tiger-i?blog=9

My cat and I were hanging in the yard on this first truly warm day so 
far this year and decided to try for some action shots. Didn't quite 
pull it off though - not sure if I just blew it, or the K3 and DA 17-70

kept back focusing, or if the cat was too fast. He gave me three tries 
though and then light was too dim... Definitely something I will be 
working on in the days ahead...

This is sorta like sports photography - any advice about how to get the

eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around) 
would be appreciated.

Mark

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Re: Peso: Breezy Spring

Thank you, David!

Jack




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Subject: Re: Peso: Breezy Spring

I really like that.

Cheers,
Dave

FWIW I just pulled about 20 threads out of my Gmail spam folder and I think 
this was one of them.


On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:52 am, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 
 Found on a local back road.
 
 K-5, DA16-45
 
 Comments appreciated
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=758
 
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

That is exactly what I did with my only XP machine. I originally 
installed Ubuntu and then switched over to the LXDE desktop. Now it says 
Lubuntu when it is booting. VueScan works just like it does on XP (which 
it should) - I scanned eight 35mm rolls via VueScan and the LS8000 under 
Lubuntu last week, it worked perfectly. Aside from scanning I don't do 
much with this machine, but Firefox works great.  I will want to use 
Nikonscan for color or medium format, and when I want that I can just 
dual boot into XP. I will run one last XP update in case anything is 
released today and then just disable the wi-fi and leave it as a static box.


Been enjoying Linbutu a lot - the LXDE desktop is very similar to 
WIndows. My biggest complaint about the Unity desktop was the task bar 
along the left of the screen - it would be fine on a wider monitor but 
my old 1280x1024 does better with a thin tool bar along the bottom.


I don't do much image processing on this machine but do like to check on 
the scanning. I've been experimenting with DarkTable, which seems to be 
a very powerful 'library' type app, like Lightroom or Aperture. I find 
the Darktable user interface to be difficult though I have not given up 
on it. But for me even simple tasks can be frustrating to figure out. 
The version of Darktable in the Ubuntu software center is quite old - 
0.9x something -  the version I down loaded directly is 1.4.


In the past I have not really calibrated this system - just use 
Calibrize to visually check it. I was thinking about setting up the 
machine in XP mode and running the X Rite i1 from my main computer on it 
to create a monitor profile, and then moving the profile over to the 
linux side. I think that would work - same video card and monitor, so 
the profile should be applicable regardless of the OS. But that is a 
project I for some future day (or maybe never)


Mark


On 4/8/2014 3:30 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
Agree Linux Ubuntu is the way to to go to wipe off XP on your old PC 
and feel comfortable about these XP hazards. However I soon got tired 
of the interface of Ubuntu and switched now to the light-weight Ubuntu 
version Lubuntu on both an old desktop and a laptop. LibreOffice and 
all of the Ubuntu software you need can be downloaded seperately in 
Lubuntu after installation. Lubuntu looks more like XP and is very fast.
Both Ubuntu and Lubuntu will get a new version on April 17 with 5-year 
support. All at no cost.
There is no Photoshop/Lightroom for Linux (only GIMP)  but I use a 
Win8 desktop for that.


Henk

mike wilson schreef op 8-4-2014 08:31:

Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu.  Download
the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk
before you install.  Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that
you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent.
Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new versions.
Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by default.
Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app.  Plenty of other apps in the
repositories.

As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources
to run.  It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from
press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might
be ready by then (really) to about 40 seconds.

On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, 
that is.


Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want
to give up XP...

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

I'm not a techie but I doubt your computer will turn into a pumpkin at 
midnight. But you might want to pick up a pie crust just in case


From what I read it looks like WinXP will simply start to become more 
and more insecure as new vulnerabilities are found and not patched. And 
there might be a crush of new exploits that hackers have discovered but 
held off on deploying until XP goes off support - that is speculation 
but some folk raise that prospect.


If you can find Win7 and if your machine can support it, moving over to 
it is not bad at all. As someone else said, Lubuntu is an easy option 
but you might want to find a tech savvy person to help with the install. 
In my case the install went fine but I had to download a utility to get 
the dual boot working correctly.


Upgrading may be a hassle but it would not be much worse than having to 
salvage things if your computer got a nasty malware infection.


Mark


On 4/7/2014 7:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want
to give up XP...

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Test from Philly

2014-04-08 Thread Rick Womer

PESO post last evening didn't go through; let's see if anything got fixed 
overnight.
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Re: Test from Philly

2014-04-08 Thread Paul


Nope - no change...still seeing you and Jack in the spam folder.

-p

On 4/8/2014 8:00 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

PESO post last evening didn't go through; let's see if anything got fixed 
overnight.



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Re: Test from Philly

2014-04-08 Thread Boris Liberman

Well, I should report that I can see your message, but on top of it,
in my Google Mail web interface it shows a yellow banner saying This
message was not sent to Spam because of a filter you created So,
Rick, it would seem you do have a problem.

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 PESO post last evening didn't go through; let's see if anything got fixed 
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread Paul Stenquist

I suppose Ubuntu is fun if you’re a techy and like to play with computers. But 
if you’re a photographer, an operating system that won’t run the best image 
processing software sucks dead dog dick.

Paul
On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:31 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu.  Download
 the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk
 before you install.  Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that
 you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent.
 Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new versions.
 Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by default.
 Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app.  Plenty of other apps in the
 repositories.
 
 As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources
 to run.  It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from
 press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might
 be ready by then (really) to about 40 seconds.
 
 On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
 will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
 the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
 B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.
 
 Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want
 to give up XP...
 
 ann
 
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386 
folder.


Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall?

Trend Titatium does say it is internet security so I guess that
means it isn't a hardware firewall.
I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems  - once it
found something to quarantine.

my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing
phishing emails.

so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall
things if firewal.cpl isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ?

Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot.



ann

On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote:

All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via
phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you visit
you will be better off.
OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again. 400
million potential victims is hard to pass up.

Gerrit

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Ann Sanfedele wrote:


I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B
S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want to
give up XP...


Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for
example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall for
your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only
connecting a single computer) will do the trick.

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Re: Leaping Tiger

2014-04-08 Thread Kenneth Waller

Years back, I was able to eat anything I wanted and not gain weight as long as 
I ran 4 to 5 miles most days. Combine that with a reduced intake and I lost 
weight. But all that running, even with very good shoes eventually led to both 
knees being replaced.

-Original Message-
From: IB Trading Assistan
Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger

I've been like that all my life too. I always seem to be eating yet stay 
thin. Fat-free milk may taste better but it's bad for your cholesterol level 
as are other saturated fats.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: David Mann
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:54 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger

What Alan said :)

I am blessed with the opposite problem.  I got a shock last year when I 
worked out the numbers for my nutrition.  I was eating plenty but it was 
barely enough to keep up with my requirements before any training! 
Considering I weigh nothing to start with I had to add a 4th daily meal to 
avoid wasting away.  Since then I've put on about 3kg of lean weight with a 
little more to come from strength work in the gym.

Because the carb/protein/fat balance was out of whack I was able to take 
great pleasure in switching back to full-fat milk.

Now I'm getting hungry...

Cheers,
Dave

On Apr 8, 2014, at 1:59 am, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

 It is. Eat less  run more - like train for a marathon!

 Alan C

 -Original Message- From: Mark C
 Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 1:59 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger

 Thanks Ken! After just a couple of weeks mostly outdoors he's lost the
 weight he put on over the winter. I only wish it was so easy

 On 4/6/2014 11:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
 any advice about how to get the eyes sharp and the tailed blurred 
 (instead of the other way around) would be appreciated.

 Yeah - shoot more !

 Good looking animal.

 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

 - Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 Subject: Leaping Tiger

 Cat Content Caution:

 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2014/04/06/leaping-tiger-i?blog=9

 My cat and I were hanging in the yard on this first truly warm day so 
 far this year and decided to try for some action shots. Didn't quite 
 pull it off though - not sure if I just blew it, or the K3 and DA 17-70 
 kept back focusing, or if the cat was too fast. He gave me three tries 
 though and then light was too dim... Definitely something I will be 
 working on in the days ahead...

 This is sorta like sports photography - any advice about how to get the 
 eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around) 
 would be appreciated.

 Mark

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Re: Heartbleed


Tim, 

Thanks a lot for the heads-up.
Apparently, I saw it here before I saw it through the proper channels.

Strictly speaking it is not a zero-day, as it was introduced in the
version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable.
(I haven't seen any discussion of this yet, but I wouldn't be too
surprised if the NSA had known about this bug way before the disclosure.)

Cheers,

Igor


On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote:
 In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and
 haven't visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste
 and find out what version of OpenSSL you're running and consider
 replacing your certs, stat.

 I'm not sure I've ever seen a more damaging zero-day.


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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


Except that apparently it isn't actually possible to upgrade from XP
to Windoze7.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/help/upgrading-from-windows-xp-to-windows-7#T1=tab01



: To upgrade your PC from Windows XP to Windows 7, you'll need to
: select the Custom option during Windows 7 installation. A custom
: installation doesn't preserve your programs, files, or settings. It's
: sometimes called a clean installation for that reason.
:
: A custom installation is more complex, and it can sometimes take a
: couple of hours to complete. We created this five-step tutorial to
: help guide you through the entire process each step of the way. What
: you need
:
: An external hard disk. You'll need to move your files off of your PC
: before you install Windows 7. To make this easier, we recommend a
: free download called Windows Easy Transfer, which will require an
: external hard disk. They're readily available at electronics and
: office supply stores, and they provide an easy way to add additional
: storage space to your computer.
:
: The original installation discs or setup files for the programs that
: you want to use with Windows 7. You'll need to reinstall your
: programs by hand after installing Windows 7. When you run Windows
: Easy Transfer you will get a report that lists the programs that you
: are currently using with Windows XP.
:



Please note:

A custom installation doesn't preserve your programs, files, or settings.

AND

You'll need to reinstall your programs by hand after installing Windows 7.


On 4/8/2014 12:40 AM, Alan C wrote:

Yes, John, I totally agree. I upgraded some time ago  have not looked
back. Perhaps MS should offer free upgrades?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: John Celio
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 6:25 AM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

Just to add my 2¢: Windows XP is an incredibly old operating system by
today's standards. Yeah, Vista and Windows 8 were/are pretty awful,
but Windows 7 is great. You really don't need to fear upgrading to 7,
especially since you can install the XP virtual machine and run all
the old software you have for XP
(http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7).


7 is more secure and more powerful. XP is ancient and soon to be very
vulnerable. It's time to upgrade.

And hey, if you think your PCs are too old to run 7, modern desktops
are getting super cheap these days. New and refurb PCs of various
makes, models and capabilities show up on deal sites like Woot.com all
the time, and even made-to-order systems from HP and the like aren't
too costly anymore. They even brought back 7 because of the
unpopularity of 8.

On the other hand, you could go the route I took and build your own
system. My PC is three years old now, but when I built it, it was
comparable to high-end gaming systems yet cost about a third as much.
Systems with more reasonable specs are even cheaper.

Windows 7 is really the way to go. I've heard Microsoft is going to
bring back the Start menu for Windows 9, but that's still at least a
year off. If you don't want to be stuck with an ancient, unsupported
OS, look into upgrading while Windows 7 is still around.

John



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Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-08 Thread Tim Bray

Yeah, you’re right; e.g. my own tbray.org server is fine because it’s
been up for 1080 days and has openssl 0.9.8.  My estimation of NSA’s
cleverness is a little lower than yours, I bet it was a surprise to
them too.  Someone should ask Snowden ;)

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

 Tim,

 Thanks a lot for the heads-up.
 Apparently, I saw it here before I saw it through the proper channels.

 Strictly speaking it is not a zero-day, as it was introduced in the
 version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable.
 (I haven't seen any discussion of this yet, but I wouldn't be too
 surprised if the NSA had known about this bug way before the disclosure.)

 Cheers,

 Igor


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 In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and
 haven't visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste
 and find out what version of OpenSSL you're running and consider
 replacing your certs, stat.

 I'm not sure I've ever seen a more damaging zero-day.


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Re: Heartbleed


Do those secrets include CREDIT CARD DATA from on-line purchases?

On 4/8/2014 1:53 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

Summary: A programming error allows bad guys to steal secrets on a
HUGE number of websites; geeks are working late all over the internet
closing the barn doors.   We won’t know for a while how bad the damage
has been.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Just out of curiosity for the rest of us ... WTF?


On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote:


In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and
haven’t visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste
and find out what version of OpenSSL you’re running and consider
replacing your certs, stat.

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more damaging zero-day.



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Re: Now I'm testing too...


I'm *NOT* looking forward to switching from Yahoo. I *AM* going to be
doing so.

But, I'm not going to worry about it until I see what the real fall out
from the end of XP support is going to mean for me personally.

I've still got a while before my years subscription to Yahoo Plus runs
out. I definitely will *NOT* be renewing.

On 4/7/2014 11:15 PM, Jack Davis wrote:



I got this, Brian. My geek told me today that Yahoo wants me to
change both my email address and he suggests I switch carriers.
Told him I'm giving it a few days as not a lot happening at the moment.

Jack





From: Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 5:03 PM
Subject: Now I'm testing too...


In the other thread, Mike mentioned that my posts were suddenly going
to his spam folder.

As I'm using an email from my own domain, and not Yahoo, this seems odd.

Anyone else getting my posts in their spam folder??

(of course, if they are, you probably wont see this :-( )




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Re: Test


On 4/8/2014 2:20 AM, mike wilson wrote:

Started 5th April.  I've been telling my spambot (or whatever it is
that governs this at my ISP) that you are not spam but the rule is not
taking, for some reason.

Same for Rick and John Sessoms.  Brian's seems to have been an aberrant message.



Can you tell if it's affecting BOTH of my email accounts? Or is it just 
the Yahoo account?



On 08/04/2014, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yeah, I've heard. I have a Geek whom I've contacted. but who is being very
quiet. He may know something.
Hopefully!

J




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Subject: Re: Test

Yours and Jack's are both showing up as spam...

-p

On 4/7/2014 4:13 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

The weird thing is, I'm no longer seeing my new messages appear on the
list (as of this weekend), nor are they appearing in my spam folder.

Rick

On Apr 7, 2014, at 15:00 , mike wilson wrote:


Spam.  Also, suddenly, Rick and Brian.  No obvious reason.

On 07/04/2014, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

Still headed to SPAM here...

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:





Have I fixed it?


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Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-08 Thread Tim Bray

It’s potentially much, much worse than that.  They include the signing
keys that web sites use to make https: addresses work.  So the bad
guys can in principle pretend to be https://your-bank.com and steal
not just your credit card number but everything.  Note that not every
bank would have been affected; weirdly enough, if you hadn’t got
around to updating your crypto libraries recently, you’re OK (but some
would, for sure).  So what happened was, geeks everywhere worked all
night last night to replace the old keys with new keys.  So what we’re
hoping is that no really bad bad guy noticed the problem before the
good guys did and got in there and stole some keys and stole some
credit card numbers and wreaked havoc, before the good guys re-locked
the barn door last night.  But we won’t know for a while.

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:22 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 Do those secrets include CREDIT CARD DATA from on-line purchases?


 On 4/8/2014 1:53 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

 Summary: A programming error allows bad guys to steal secrets on a
 HUGE number of websites; geeks are working late all over the internet
 closing the barn doors.   We won’t know for a while how bad the damage
 has been.

 On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:

 Just out of curiosity for the rest of us ... WTF?


 On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote:


 In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and
 haven’t visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste
 and find out what version of OpenSSL you’re running and consider
 replacing your certs, stat.

 I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more damaging zero-day.


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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


This machine is on at least it's 3rd motherboard. I think the latest
mother board is from 2007.

I'm not sure how old it actually is, but at least some of the parts date
back into the 20th century. It's still got the certificate of
authenticity sticker for a Windoze98 Second Edition Upgrade on the shell.

Looks like my options are as follows:
1. Low cost pre-assembled system with Win7.
2. Barebones system  move my hard-drives then install Win7.
3. New motherboard, CPU  enough memory to run Win7.

Don't know which way I'm going to go right now.

Numbers 1  2 are going to cost more than I want to spend; numbers 2  3
are going to take more time away from other things than I want to devote.

Or option 4 - which I'm following right now - do nothing  trust (hope?)
that my firewall, my anti-virus program and my hosts file will manage to
keep the bad guys at bay for a while longer.


On 4/7/2014 11:41 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

FWIW, early 2013 I picked up a brand new HP desktop less a monitor
for $400 with decent specs and win7 pre installed. my old machine
with XP was about 6 years old and kicked the bucket ( bad motherboard
).


On 4/7/2014 11:27 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

I should have said update your hardware and OS to win7


On 4/7/2014 11:17 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

The hardware I'm running XP on might just barely meet the
minimums for Win7, but it wouldn't run worth a damn.

On 4/7/2014 7:32 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:

update to win7, its pretty painless and win7 works pretty
well.

On 4/7/2014 7:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of
support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting
hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit
overstated, or to put it another way, B S.  Given one has
one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO
don't want to give up XP...

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Re: Heartbleed

2014-04-08 Thread David J Brooks

how to you know what version one has. My firefox is SSL 3

Dave

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 In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and
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 I'm not sure I've ever seen a more damaging zero-day.

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Re: Heartbleed

David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

how to you know what version one has. My firefox is SSL 3

This is for web servers, Dave, not web browsers.

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386 
folder.

Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall?

No. A hardware firewall is a box in between your computer and your
cable/DSL modem. Typically it's a router.


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Re: Heartbleed

The NSA ain't all that clever, but some of the contractors they hire 
might be.


On 4/8/2014 11:20 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

Yeah, you’re right; e.g. my own tbray.org server is fine because it’s
been up for 1080 days and has openssl 0.9.8.  My estimation of NSA’s
cleverness is a little lower than yours, I bet it was a surprise to
them too.  Someone should ask Snowden ;)

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


Tim,

Thanks a lot for the heads-up.
Apparently, I saw it here before I saw it through the proper channels.

Strictly speaking it is not a zero-day, as it was introduced in the
version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable.
(I haven't seen any discussion of this yet, but I wouldn't be too
surprised if the NSA had known about this bug way before the disclosure.)

Cheers,

Igor


On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and
haven't visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste
and find out what version of OpenSSL you're running and consider
replacing your certs, stat.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a more damaging zero-day.



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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

That's the Windows Firewall that's built in to Windoze. It's better than 
nothing.


Windows XP

Click Start - Run - Type firewall.cpl into the Run command box
Click OK
Set Windows Firewall to On
Click OK

It's pretty self explanatory.

On 4/8/2014 10:10 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386
folder.

Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall?

Trend Titatium does say it is internet security so I guess that
means it isn't a hardware firewall.
I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems  - once it
found something to quarantine.

my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing
phishing emails.

so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall
things if firewal.cpl isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ?

Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot.



ann

On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote:

All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via
phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you visit
you will be better off.
OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again. 400
million potential victims is hard to pass up.

Gerrit

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Ann Sanfedele wrote:


I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B
S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want to
give up XP...


Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for
example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall for
your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only
connecting a single computer) will do the trick.

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Re: Heartbleed

I ask about the credit cards, because I went on-line yesterday to buy 
repair parts for one of my lawn-care power tools  paid for the parts 
with a credit card. That was before I saw your original post.


On 4/8/2014 11:40 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

It’s potentially much, much worse than that.  They include the signing
keys that web sites use to make https: addresses work.  So the bad
guys can in principle pretend to be https://your-bank.com and steal
not just your credit card number but everything.  Note that not every
bank would have been affected; weirdly enough, if you hadn’t got
around to updating your crypto libraries recently, you’re OK (but some
would, for sure).  So what happened was, geeks everywhere worked all
night last night to replace the old keys with new keys.  So what we’re
hoping is that no really bad bad guy noticed the problem before the
good guys did and got in there and stole some keys and stole some
credit card numbers and wreaked havoc, before the good guys re-locked
the barn door last night.  But we won’t know for a while.

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:22 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Do those secrets include CREDIT CARD DATA from on-line purchases?


On 4/8/2014 1:53 AM, Tim Bray wrote:


Summary: A programming error allows bad guys to steal secrets on a
HUGE number of websites; geeks are working late all over the internet
closing the barn doors.   We won’t know for a while how bad the damage
has been.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:


Just out of curiosity for the rest of us ... WTF?


On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote:



In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and
haven’t visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste
and find out what version of OpenSSL you’re running and consider
replacing your certs, stat.

I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more damaging zero-day.



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Re: Test from Philly


On 4/8/2014 9:00 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

PESO post last evening didn't go through; let's see if anything got fixed 
overnight.



Came through on RoadRunner, but not on Yahoo.

I haven't been able to send from Yahoo since some time yesterday. I'm
back to getting the error that says I need to enter my password for the
smtp server.

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


That does bring up some interesting questions:

1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom  Photoshop for Linux?

2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that
was good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever
happened to that?

3. Mac OS is based on some king of Linux/Unix under layer. Why isn't
there some kind of Mac emulator for Linux that would allow you to run
the Mac versions of Photoshop/Lightroom?

PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember
the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit
better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone.


On 4/8/2014 9:48 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I suppose Ubuntu is fun if you’re a techy and like to play with
computers. But if you’re a photographer, an operating system that
won’t run the best image processing software sucks dead dog dick.

Paul On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:31 AM, mike wilson
m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:


Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu.
Download the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running
from a disk before you install.  Unless there are specific
Windows-only apps that you need, just about everything you want can
be run as an equivalent. Firefox and T'bird can transfer their
content to the new versions. Libre Office can be set to save files
as Office versions by default. Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app.
Plenty of other apps in the repositories.

As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's
resources to run.  It speeded up the start on an old netbook using
XP from press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly
and I might be ready by then (really) to about 40 seconds.

On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of
support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked
to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put
it another way, B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection
and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't
want to give up XP...

ann


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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

I can't say re Adobe but I used a thumbnail program called ThumbsPlus 
and checked on a Linux version of that program. From their FAQ:


...snip... One thing that is bothersome about a Linux port is that so 
many of the Linux users who have written have exclaimed how wonderful it 
is to have a free operating system and free software. We could never 
afford to port to Linux and give it away! The investment required is 
enormous when you're looking at a code base of nearly a million lines. 
...snip...


full link:

http://www.cerious.com/faq_pcq.shtml#PCQ_Linux

Makes me wonder if the  open source / free stuff ethic behind Linux is 
incompatible with (or perceived to be incompatible with) commercial for 
profit software. In the case of Thumps+ is seems to be.


Mark


On 4/8/2014 12:51 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

That does bring up some interesting questions:

1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom  Photoshop for Linux?

2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that
was good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever
happened to that?

3. Mac OS is based on some king of Linux/Unix under layer. Why isn't
there some kind of Mac emulator for Linux that would allow you to run
the Mac versions of Photoshop/Lightroom?

PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember
the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit
better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone.


On 4/8/2014 9:48 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I suppose Ubuntu is fun if you’re a techy and like to play with
computers. But if you’re a photographer, an operating system that
won’t run the best image processing software sucks dead dog dick.

Paul On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:31 AM, mike wilson
m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:


Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu.
Download the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running
from a disk before you install.  Unless there are specific
Windows-only apps that you need, just about everything you want can
be run as an equivalent. Firefox and T'bird can transfer their
content to the new versions. Libre Office can be set to save files
as Office versions by default. Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app.
Plenty of other apps in the repositories.

As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's
resources to run.  It speeded up the start on an old netbook using
XP from press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly
and I might be ready by then (really) to about 40 seconds.

On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of
support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked
to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put
it another way, B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection
and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't
want to give up XP...

ann





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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


DarkTable?  http://www.darktable.org/

On 4/8/2014 12:51 PM, John Sessoms wrote:


PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember
the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit
better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone.





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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:51 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 That does bring up some interesting questions:
 
 1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom  Photoshop for Linux?

Too much development cost, not enough return on investment. Linux users hate to 
pay for anything. 

 3. Mac OS is based on some king of Linux/Unix under layer. Why isn't
 there some kind of Mac emulator for Linux that would allow you to run
 the Mac versions of Photoshop/Lightroom?

OS X is built around a Mach kernel and includes a FreeBSD UNIX command-line 
environment. Linux is built around a different kernel implementation, 
UNIX-like, and similarly includes a FreeBSD-like command-line environment. 
There the similarity ends. It's all the other stuff built on top of the kernel 
that would need to be supported to run OS X applications... Never mind having 
to fight legal battles with Apple. 

 PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember
 the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit
 better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone.

Darktable : http://www.darktable.org
I have the OS X version installed. It has nowhere near the sophistication of 
Lightroom. It just superficially looks similar. 

G

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Re: Heartbleed


on 2014-04-08 8:51 Igor Roshchin wrote

Strictly speaking it is not a zero-day, as it was introduced in the
version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable.


it does seem to be a zero-day threat; zero-day refers to the timing of the 
announcement rather than to what versions of software are vulnerable



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Re: Leaping Tiger

2014-04-08 Thread Alan C

Sorry to hear that, Ken. I sure hope I'm not headed that way. No sign of 
anything yet  I've almost circumnavigated the earth twice. I know of 
runners who have had hip replacements  still run

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Years back, I was able to eat anything I wanted and not gain weight as long 
as I ran 4 to 5 miles most days. Combine that with a reduced intake and I 
lost weight. But all that running, even with very good shoes eventually led 
to both knees being replaced.

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From: IB Trading Assistan
Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger

I've been like that all my life too. I always seem to be eating yet stay
thin. Fat-free milk may taste better but it's bad for your cholesterol 
level

as are other saturated fats.

Alan C

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Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:54 AM
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What Alan said :)

I am blessed with the opposite problem.  I got a shock last year when I
worked out the numbers for my nutrition.  I was eating plenty but it was
barely enough to keep up with my requirements before any training!
Considering I weigh nothing to start with I had to add a 4th daily meal to
avoid wasting away.  Since then I've put on about 3kg of lean weight with a
little more to come from strength work in the gym.

Because the carb/protein/fat balance was out of whack I was able to take
great pleasure in switching back to full-fat milk.

Now I'm getting hungry...

Cheers,
Dave

On Apr 8, 2014, at 1:59 am, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

It is. Eat less  run more - like train for a marathon!

Alan C

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Thanks Ken! After just a couple of weeks mostly outdoors he's lost the
weight he put on over the winter. I only wish it was so easy

On 4/6/2014 11:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

any advice about how to get the eyes sharp and the tailed blurred
(instead of the other way around) would be appreciated.

Yeah - shoot more !

Good looking animal.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
Subject: Leaping Tiger

Cat Content Caution:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2014/04/06/leaping-tiger-i?blog=9

My cat and I were hanging in the yard on this first truly warm day so
far this year and decided to try for some action shots. Didn't quite
pull it off though - not sure if I just blew it, or the K3 and DA 17-70
kept back focusing, or if the cat was too fast. He gave me three tries
though and then light was too dim... Definitely something I will be
working on in the days ahead...

This is sorta like sports photography - any advice about how to get the
eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around)
would be appreciated.

Mark

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


It is set to on already - very self explanatory :-)

ann


On 4/8/2014 12:25, John Sessoms wrote:

That's the Windows Firewall that's built in to Windoze. It's better than
nothing.

Windows XP

 Click Start - Run - Type firewall.cpl into the Run command box
 Click OK
 Set Windows Firewall to On
 Click OK

It's pretty self explanatory.

On 4/8/2014 10:10 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386
folder.

Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall?

Trend Titatium does say it is internet security so I guess that
means it isn't a hardware firewall.
I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems  - once it
found something to quarantine.

my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing
phishing emails.

so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall
things if firewal.cpl isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ?

Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot.



ann

On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote:

All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via
phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you
visit
you will be better off.
OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again.
400
million potential victims is hard to pass up.

Gerrit

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Ann Sanfedele wrote:


I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B
S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want to
give up XP...


Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for
example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall
for
your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only
connecting a single computer) will do the trick.

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Re:


I can see you

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather.

I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed

ann

On 4/8/2014 12:18, Mark Roberts wrote:

Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:


I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386
folder.

Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall?


No. A hardware firewall is a box in between your computer and your
cable/DSL modem. Typically it's a router.




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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread Bill


On 08/04/2014 11:55 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather.

I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed




A hardware firewall (router), resist the temptation to go wireless if 
you can, turn off the wireless radio on the router, and tell the router 
to only allow access from your computer (this is something that needs to 
be set up in the router software itself where you specify mac addresses 
that are allowed access).
If you have to go wireless, tell the router to not broadcast it's name 
to the world.


bill

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Gosh, there are a bunch of paranoid folks on this mailing list. 

G

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Re: Heartbleed



Tue Apr 8 13:39:40 EDT 2014
steve harley 

 on 2014-04-08 8:51 Igor Roshchin wrote
  Strictly speaking it is not a zero-day, as it was introduced in the
  version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable.
 
 it does seem to be a zero-day threat; zero-day refers to the timing of
 the  announcement rather than to what versions of software are vulnerable

Upon careful consideration of the multiple definitions of what
zero-day means, I think you are correct.
I had a wrong definition of the term in my mind.
(I always assumed zero day vulnerability [not zero-day attack] is 
something that existed in the software undiscovered for long time, 
essentially since the early stages of the software)

I stand corrected.

Thank you, Steve. My apology, Tim!

Igor




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Re: Heartbleed


Tue Apr 8 11:20:38 EDT 2014
Tim Bray wrote:

 My estimation of NSA's cleverness is a little lower than yours,

... you mean they are even more stupid than I? 
;-)

Cheers,

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

It's important to keep the cosmic paranoia/smugness ying-yang tiddly-i-po thing 
in balance. For every Mac user you need 1024 windows users or the entire 
universe will go out of whack. It's a bit like Buddhists spinning a prayer 
wheel to keep the earth turning.

B

 On 8 Apr 2014, at 19:07, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
 
 Gosh, there are a bunch of paranoid folks on this mailing list. 
 
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread John Francis

On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 09:25:29PM -0700, John Celio wrote:
Just to add my 2?: Windows XP is an incredibly old operating system by
today's standards. Yeah, Vista and Windows 8 were/are pretty awful,
but Windows 7 is great. You really don't need to fear upgrading to 7,
especially since you can install the XP virtual machine and run all
the old software you have for XP
(http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7).

Unfortunately, that's not a universal panacea.

Windows XP mode only works on the Professional, Enterprise Ultimate
versions of Windows 7 - it does not work on the (cheaper) Home version.

Not only that - it requires at least a half-way modern CPU in order to
work (one with a specific hardware feature to support virtualisation).
Any machine running Windows XP is pretty much guaranteed not to have
what is needed; I believe my wife's Windows 7 box (which came with W7
professional) has an early enough i5 CPU chipset that it doesn't have
support for the right kind of hardware virtualisation. That's somewhat
ironic, because the reason we paid the extra to put W7 Pro on that box
was that some of the software packages she was regularly using at that
time (including Intuit QuickBooks) weren't yet certified on W7, so we
wanted XP mode as a fallback strategy. Fortunately, we never needed it!

This means anyone wanting to go that route is going to require new
hardware as well as a more expensive version of the operating system.
Sure, it's only a few hundred dollars, and you'll have a much better
system at the end of the process. But those few hundred dollars are
going to put this option beyond the reach of quite a few people.

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Re:

Great! Bless your heart!!
I changed to comcast.net to avoid further PDML posts going into SPAM.
What a 24 hrs chasing the problem. WOW

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I can see you


On 4/8/2014 13:31, Jack Davis wrote:
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


DOn't worry I will NEVER go wireless
thanks for the other info

a

On 4/8/2014 14:01, Bill wrote:

On 08/04/2014 11:55 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather.

I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed




A hardware firewall (router), resist the temptation to go wireless if
you can, turn off the wireless radio on the router, and tell the router
to only allow access from your computer (this is something that needs to
be set up in the router software itself where you specify mac addresses
that are allowed access).
If you have to go wireless, tell the router to not broadcast it's name
to the world.

bill



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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing




On 4/8/2014 14:23, John Francis wrote:

On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 09:25:29PM -0700, John Celio wrote:




Windows XP mode only works on the Professional, Enterprise  Ultimate
versions of Windows 7 - it does not work on the (cheaper) Home version.


 


This means anyone wanting to go that route is going to require new
hardware as well as a more expensive version of the operating system.
Sure, it's only a few hundred dollars, and you'll have a much better
system at the end of the process.  But those few hundred dollars are
going to put this option beyond the reach of quite a few people.


I resemble that remark...

ann


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Re:


But maybe I'm the only one

ann

On 4/8/2014 14:35, Jack Davis wrote:

Great! Bless your heart!!
I changed to comcast.net to avoid further PDML posts going into SPAM.
What a 24 hrs chasing the problem. WOW

Jack





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Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: Re:

I can see you


On 4/8/2014 13:31, Jack Davis wrote:

test






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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:

It's important to keep the cosmic paranoia/smugness ying-yang tiddly-i-po 
thing in balance.

Truer words were never spoken.

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Re: Heartbleed

http://www.cnet.com/news/heartbleed-bug-undoes-web-encryption-reveals-user-passwords/

Apparently some damage already done with the leaking of passwords.
Unsurprisingly, they're the passwords from a large Internet company
whose name rhymes with wahoo.

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread P.J. Alling

I wouldn't worry too much Ann.  I used Win2K, (not to be confused with 
WinME), for a number of years after Microsoft dropped support.  It did 
everything I needed it to, and only upgraded to XP when I couldn't hack 
the OS to get a new printer to work properly, (I was able to find 
adequate AV and Firewall products that worked, but the printer required 
just too many registry modifications that had to be done by hand.  The 
biggest issue was IE security fixes.


As long as you're happy with your system and your AV and Firewall 
software get updated regularly, you should be fine.


I do have a more or less modern laptop with Win7 and the full Microsoft 
development Suite installed, but for my photography and general office 
work, my desktop running WinXP sp3 should be fine for the foreseeable 
future.  Heck I'm still using a Hitachi SuperScan Elite 751 CRT for 
image editing.  I couldn't afford a flat screen with the color depth of 
the Hitachi.


On 4/7/2014 7:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want
to give up XP...

ann




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Re: PESO - New Haven station

2014-04-08 Thread Don Guthrie

rich tones  colors cool subject. Probably could do without that little 
dingus on the lower right side.

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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 18:01:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rick Womerrwomer1...@yahoo.com
To: Pentax- Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Subject: PESO - New Haven station
Message-ID:
1396918868.23484.yahoomail...@web121806.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

A slice-of-life grab in the New Haven railroad station:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17719447size=lg

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17719447-lg.jpg

(K-5, DA 16-45)

When I was growing up in the 60's, the station was a sealed-off world of fallen 
plaster, leaks, and winos. One bought tickets and boarded trains through 
sheet-metal temporary buildings.? It is great to see the place restored.

Comments?

Rick

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Re: PESO - The King of Parkdale

2014-04-08 Thread Don Guthrie

You have been missed. I like pretty much everything in the photo so you 
still have your chops by my reckoning.

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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:42:54 -0400
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Subject: PESO - The King of Parkdale
Message-ID:50025242-176e-4a80-aadb-b74a78fb5...@email.android.com
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And we're back...

This night shift is making it difficult to post and spend time on the list, 
especially since I've been biking these past several weeks. My bus rides tended 
to be my list time.

Also I've been in a real photographic dry spell of late. Basically nothing 
since the Ice Race in late February.

Well, this weekend finally got a few shots. Here's Toronto bike messenger 
Andrew and his trackbike:

http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-king-of-parkdale.html?m=1

Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

Cheers,
frank

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread P.J. Alling

WinXp has a built in Firewall from Microsoft, if you don't have it 
enabled Windows will carp at you to either install a different firewall 
or start the built in firewall.  The built in firewall is pretty crappy 
but it's better than nothing, I guess.  Trend Titatium, I don't know for 
sure, probably has a software firewall that was installed when you set 
up internet security.


On 4/8/2014 10:10 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the 
i386 folder.


Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall?

Trend Titatium does say it is internet security so I guess that
means it isn't a hardware firewall.
I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems  - once it
found something to quarantine.

my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing
phishing emails.

so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall
things if firewal.cpl isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ?

Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot.



ann

On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote:

All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via
phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you 
visit

you will be better off.
OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again. 
400

million potential victims is hard to pass up.

Gerrit

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Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

Ann Sanfedele wrote:


I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B
S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want to
give up XP...


Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for
example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall 
for

your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only
connecting a single computer) will do the trick.

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


on 2014-04-07 20:52 John Coyle wrote

I still have one PC running XP (SP3) and have it behind a router firewall and 
anti-virus protection.
Only need it to maintain absolute compatibility with some older systems I've 
written, where clients
are still running them, so I won't upgrade it unless it fails (which is more 
likely to happen with
the hardware, which is also pretty old!)


unless there is something unusual which prevents its, you might as well just 
pack it into a virtual machine and dump the hardware; i've been running a 
Windows 2000 VM for 12 years or so without its own hardware



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Re: New PDML ID

I think you're going to have to get a completely new email address that 
does _not_ come from Yahoo.


This message came through on my Roadrunner feed, but not on the Yahoo one.

On 4/8/2014 2:24 PM, Jack Davis wrote:



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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


as I mentioned to someone, the XP firewall is up and running.
I actually purchased Trend because it was recommended a couple years 
back by Bill Owens and it has been really good..(i.e., I aint had no 
viri) due for an auto renewal in about 50 days.


So from a bunch of you and my initial thought - I  shouldn't worry too 
much :-)


thanks for your support, troops

ann

On 4/8/2014 15:36, P.J. Alling wrote:

WinXp has a built in Firewall from Microsoft, if you don't have it
enabled Windows will carp at you to either install a different firewall
or start the built in firewall.  The built in firewall is pretty crappy
but it's better than nothing, I guess.  Trend Titatium, I don't know for
sure, probably has a software firewall that was installed when you set
up internet security.

On 4/8/2014 10:10 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the
i386 folder.

Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall?

Trend Titatium does say it is internet security so I guess that
means it isn't a hardware firewall.
I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems  - once it
found something to quarantine.

my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing
phishing emails.

so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall
things if firewal.cpl isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ?

Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot.



ann

On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote:

All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via
phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you
visit
you will be better off.
OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again.
400
million potential victims is hard to pass up.

Gerrit

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Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 8:10 PM
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Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

Ann Sanfedele wrote:


I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B
S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want to
give up XP...


Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for
example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall
for
your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only
connecting a single computer) will do the trick.

--
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Re: Heartbleed

Should have gone with http://www.houyhnhnm.com. Seems obvious really.

B

 On 8 Apr 2014, at 20:23, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 
 http://www.cnet.com/news/heartbleed-bug-undoes-web-encryption-reveals-user-passwords/
 
 Apparently some damage already done with the leaking of passwords.
 Unsurprisingly, they're the passwords from a large Internet company
 whose name rhymes with wahoo.
 
 

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread P.J. Alling

There could have been significant disruptions due to the Y2K problem, 
but it was very over hyped, I doubt that planes would have fallen out of 
the sky, and a lot of work went into making sure that those disruptions 
didn't happen, a lot of busy work was done that wasn't strictly 
necessary at the same time as well.


On 4/7/2014 7:19 PM, Bill wrote:

On 07/04/2014 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that 
is.


Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want
to give up XP...


I recall all the computers were supposed to crash once before. That 
turned out to be rather over blown too.


Doom saying is easy.
Owning Pentax hardens one to it's effects.

bill






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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

On 8 Apr 2014, at 20:46, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There could have been significant disruptions due to the Y2K problem, but it 
 was very over hyped, I doubt that planes would have fallen out of the sky, 
 and a lot of work went into making sure that those disruptions didn't happen, 
 a lot of busy work was done that wasn't strictly necessary at the same time 
 as well.

It was strictly necessary for my bank balance as I had a very lucrative 
contract ensuring that civilisation did not collapse. Had it not been for me 
we'd all be living like wild dogs in the street now, and the chimpanzees would 
be our overlords.

B
 
 On 4/7/2014 7:19 PM, Bill wrote:
 On 07/04/2014 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support
 will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at
 the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way,
 B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is.
 
 Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want
 to give up XP...
 
 I recall all the computers were supposed to crash once before. That turned 
 out to be rather over blown too.
 
 Doom saying is easy.
 Owning Pentax hardens one to it's effects.
 
 bill
 
 
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Re:


I can see your replies to Jack on my Yahoo email, but I cannot see his
original messages.

I can see Jack's message on my Roadrunner email, but for some reason,
your last reply to Jack (this one) hasn't come through on Roadrunner yet.

I think all of us who have email addresses ending in Yahoo.com are
going to have to find a new email host for PDML.

I'm still having that other problem with Yahoo where I can't send mail
via their smtp server. I thought for a while it might just be a problem
with replying to PDML messages, but I can't post NEW messages, nor can I
send any email using Yahoo's smtp server.

That's a *BIG* problem for me, because the only reason I paid for Yahoo
is to be able to use smtp. Plus, there is no way to contact Yahoo to get
tech support.


On 4/8/2014 2:46 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

But maybe I'm the only one

ann

On 4/8/2014 14:35, Jack Davis wrote:

Great! Bless your heart!!
I changed to comcast.net to avoid further PDML posts going into SPAM.
What a 24 hrs chasing the problem. WOW

Jack





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From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
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Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:55 AM
Subject: Re:

I can see you


On 4/8/2014 13:31, Jack Davis wrote:

test








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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


On 4/8/2014 1:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:51 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:



PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't
remember the name of it off the top of my head right now - that
works a bit better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone.


Darktable : http://www.darktable.org I have the OS X version
installed. It has nowhere near the sophistication of Lightroom. It
just superficially looks similar.

G



Didn't say it was, only that it appears to be a better Linux alternative
to Lightroom than GIMP is for Photoshop.

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


On 4/8/2014 2:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Gosh, there are a bunch of paranoid folks on this mailing list.

G



It's not paranoia if they REALLY ARE out to get you.

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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread Paul Stenquist

Wireless is pretty safe as long as it’s password protected and you use a 
password that is complex and differs from your other passwords. Been wireless 
for many years, no problems.

Paul


On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 DOn't worry I will NEVER go wireless
 thanks for the other info
 
 a
 
 On 4/8/2014 14:01, Bill wrote:
 On 08/04/2014 11:55 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather.
 
 I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed
 
 
 
 A hardware firewall (router), resist the temptation to go wireless if
 you can, turn off the wireless radio on the router, and tell the router
 to only allow access from your computer (this is something that needs to
 be set up in the router software itself where you specify mac addresses
 that are allowed access).
 If you have to go wireless, tell the router to not broadcast it's name
 to the world.
 
 bill
 
 
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


on 2014-04-08 11:22 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote

OS X is built around a Mach kernel and includes a FreeBSD UNIX command-line 
environment. Linux is built around a different kernel implementation, 
UNIX-like, and similarly includes a FreeBSD-like command-line environment. 
There the similarity ends. It's all the other stuff built on top of the kernel 
that would need to be supported to run OS X applications... Never mind having 
to fight legal battles with Apple.


running Mac software on Linux is pretty much a non-starter, yeah, but it's 
worth noting that it's rather easy to run Linux software on a Mac; all the 
Linux software is open source and designed to be portable, plus there are 
relatively easy tools already built to install most common Linux tools and apps


note that it is technically very feasible to virtualize Mac OS on Linux, 
however the license does not permit it (about the same level of license 
violation as building a hackintosh - anyone ever hear of a prosecution for 
installing OS X on non-Apple hardware?)


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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


I do remember a few stories from after the fact where there were billing
errors due to the date not rolling over correctly. Mostly (99 and
44/100%) it got fixed in time and the few instances where it did slip
through were easily  quickly corrected after the fact.

On 4/8/2014 3:45 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

There could have been significant disruptions due to the Y2K problem,
 but it was very over hyped, I doubt that planes would have fallen
out of the sky, and a lot of work went into making sure that those
disruptions didn't happen, a lot of busy work was done that wasn't
strictly necessary at the same time as well.

On 4/7/2014 7:19 PM, Bill wrote:

On 07/04/2014 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of
support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked
to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put
it another way, B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection
and spam-blocker, that is.

Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't
want to give up XP...


I recall all the computers were supposed to crash once before. That
 turned out to be rather over blown too.

Doom saying is easy. Owning Pentax hardens one to it's effects.

bill








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Re: PESO - The King of Parkdale

2014-04-08 Thread Attila Boros

He's got some professional equipment and a charismatic beard. The BW
conversion looks very nice on my monitor.


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:42 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 And we're back...

 This night shift is making it difficult to post and spend time on the list, 
 especially since I've been biking these past several weeks. My bus rides 
 tended to be my list time.

 Also I've been in a real photographic dry spell of late. Basically nothing 
 since the Ice Race in late February.

 Well, this weekend finally got a few shots. Here's Toronto bike messenger 
 Andrew and his trackbike:

 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-king-of-parkdale.html?m=1

 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.

 Cheers,
 frank


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Re:



I wondered about that. Also, I don't believe the post ever appeared on my copy 
of the list, but really not sure.??
What browser are you using?

Jack






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From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Re:

But maybe I'm the only one

ann


On 4/8/2014 14:35, Jack Davis wrote:
 Great! Bless your heart!!
 I changed to comcast.net to avoid further PDML posts going into SPAM.
 What a 24 hrs chasing the problem. WOW

 Jack





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 Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:55 AM
 Subject: Re:

 I can see you


 On 4/8/2014 13:31, Jack Davis wrote:
 test




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Re: Heartbleed

Bob W-PDML wrote:

Should have gone with http://www.houyhnhnm.com. Seems obvious really.

Their original choice, I'll admit, was none too swift.
 
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RE: OT - the XP doomsday thing

2014-04-08 Thread Gerrit Visser

Probably because there is no money to be made? The FOSS crowd would want the 
source in public domain, free support and have a say in the future development. 
And then for multi varieties of Linux to boot.

Gerrit

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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing

That does bring up some interesting questions:

1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom  Photoshop for Linux?

2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that was 
good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever happened to 
that?

3. Mac OS is based on some king of Linux/Unix under layer. Why isn't there some 
kind of Mac emulator for Linux that would allow you to run the Mac versions of 
Photoshop/Lightroom?

PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember the 
name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit better than Gimp 
does as a Photoshop clone.

On 4/8/2014 9:48 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 I suppose Ubuntu is fun if you’re a techy and like to play with 
 computers. But if you’re a photographer, an operating system that 
 won’t run the best image processing software sucks dead dog dick.

 Paul On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:31 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com 
 wrote:

 Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu.
 Download the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from 
 a disk before you install.  Unless there are specific Windows-only 
 apps that you need, just about everything you want can be run as an 
 equivalent. Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new 
 versions. Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by 
 default. Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app.
 Plenty of other apps in the repositories.

 As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources 
 to run.  It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from 
 press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might 
 be ready by then (really) to about 40 seconds.

 On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support 
 will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death 
 at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another 
 way, B S.  Given one has one's own virus protection and 
 spam-blocker, that is.

 Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine?  I SO don't want 
 to give up XP...

 ann

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Re: PESO - The King of Parkdale

On 8 Apr 2014, at 21:29, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 He's got some professional equipment and a charismatic beard.

That makes him an official religion, with charity status.

 The BW
 conversion looks very nice on my monitor.
 
 
 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:42 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 And we're back...
 
 This night shift is making it difficult to post and spend time on the list, 
 especially since I've been biking these past several weeks. My bus rides 
 tended to be my list time.
 
 Also I've been in a real photographic dry spell of late. Basically nothing 
 since the Ice Race in late February.
 
 Well, this weekend finally got a few shots. Here's Toronto bike messenger 
 Andrew and his trackbike:
 
 http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-king-of-parkdale.html?m=1
 
 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
 
 Cheers,
 frank
 
 
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Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net







My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually 
see a post of mine. Is she the only one?


Thanks,

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Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net

2014-04-08 Thread Paul


still seeing you as spam

-p

On 4/8/2014 3:53 PM, Jack Davis wrote:







My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually 
see a post of mine. Is she the only one?


Thanks,

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Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net

2014-04-08 Thread Matthew Hunt

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually 
 see a post of mine. Is she the only one?

This post, and the one that Ann responded to, are still From your
Yahoo address, and Gmail is marking them as spam. (I wrote a filter
rule to stop PDML traffic from going to the spam folder, but it still
shows a yellow warning banner.)

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Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net


on 2014-04-08 14:53 Jack Davis wrote


My posts are STILL not showing on either account.??


this message is coming from a Yahoo address and via Yahoo's servers - have you 
posted from that Comcast account?


note that you have to subscribe that address to the  list for before the 
messages from it will post


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Re: Switched from jdavisf8 at yahoo.com to jdavisf8 at comcast.net


Jack,

1. You can see your posts via the web:
http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2014-April/
or
http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/

2. The From still shows your @yahoo address.

Igor


Tue Apr 8 16:53:12 EDT 2014
Jack Davis jdavisf8 at yahoo.com wrote:

 My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually 
 see a post of mine. Is she the only one?
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jack



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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing


Quoting John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:


That does bring up some interesting questions:

2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that
was good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever
happened to that?



It's still around and still being developed.  The Wine Applications  
database suggests that some recent versions of Photoshop (CS, CS2,  
CS3, CS6) work reasonably well under Linux via Wine.  The database  
indicates that Version 6, which I was trying to run, has major issues  
- as do CS4 and CS6.


A problem with these ratings, though, is that they depend a lot on the  
hardware configurations of the PCs used to make the assessments. So,  
just because the Wine database indicates good compatibility for (say)  
CS3, it doesn't mean that CS3 will work satisfactorily on my machine.



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Re: New PDML ID


Quoting Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com:


Test



Well, I can see it but it's still coming from the yahoo address - so I  
suspect others wont.


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Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam


John,

Just in case:
If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from
your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change
described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you.

It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers
OTHER than those from Yahoo.

(The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: 
Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're 
using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem 
without you having to really make any change. )


Igor


Mon Apr 7 17:55:28 EDT 2014
John Sessoms wrote:

On 4/7/2014 5:30 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:
 This problem is affecting most of my mailing lists, and it appears to
 be due to a deliberate change by Yahoo:

 https://wordtothewise.com/2014/04/brief-dmarc-primer/
 https://wordtothewise.com/2014/04/example-bounces-due-yahoo-preject/

 Endusers can do a couple things . For one-to-one mail make sure
 you're using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the
 problem without you having to really make any change. For email to
 mailing lists you'll need to switch to an email address at another
 domain for that mailing list.

 As I understand it: Yahoo is telling recipient email services not to
 accept mail from Yahoo email addresses that doesn't come from Yahoo's
 servers. Since email on this mailing list, or other mailing lists,
 comes from non-Yahoo servers, Gmail and other recipients reject the
 mail, or mark it as spam, in accordance with Yahoo's request.


That tears it.

The only reason I have a paid Yahoo account is so I can use Yahoo's smtp
server for PDML. Now Yahoo is telling the other providers not to accept
PDML mailings posted from my Yahoo account?

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Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam

2014-04-08 Thread Matthew Hunt

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

 Just in case:
 If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from
 your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change
 described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you.

 It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers
 OTHER than those from Yahoo.

 (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem:
 Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're
 using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem
 without you having to really make any change. )

The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the
PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail
and certain other providers.

John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail
server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo From address) to my Gmail
account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with
John's Yahoo From address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP
server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by
Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam.

Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively
on mailing lists anymore.

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Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam


Quoting Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com:


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


Just in case:
If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from
your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change
described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you.

It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers
OTHER than those from Yahoo.

(The second link's post explains how to fix the problem:
Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're
using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem
without you having to really make any change. )


The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the
PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail
and certain other providers.

John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail
server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo From address) to my Gmail
account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with
John's Yahoo From address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP
server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by
Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam.

Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively
on mailing lists anymore.




So, what on earth is Yahoo's justification for this?  Some sort of  
security issue?


To the uninformed masses (me included), it just seems nuts.


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Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam

2014-04-08 Thread Bruce Walker

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
Quoting Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com:

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

Just in case:
If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from
your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change
described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you.

It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers
OTHER than those from Yahoo.

(The second link's post explains how to fix the problem:
Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're
using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem
without you having to really make any change. )

The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the
PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail
and certain other providers.

John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail
server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo From address) to my Gmail
account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with
John's Yahoo From address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP
server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by
Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam.

Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively
on mailing lists anymore.

So, what on earth is Yahoo's justification for this? Some sort of security
issue?

To the uninformed masses (me included), it just seems nuts.

It's a misguided (and misfiring) attempt by Yahoo to cut down on spam.
Yes, it's nuts. They don't call 'em Yahoo! for nothing.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247512/Yahoo_email_anti_spoofing_policy_breaks_mailing_lists

Anyone sending mail from a Yahoo account to the PDML should go get
another email account, not on Yahoo, and use that for PDML mail. Until
Yahoo smartens up, or forever, whichever is shorter.

The other fix is for _everyone_ to install an email filter that
exempts all PDML mail from spam filtering. Unhappily, that is doomed
as lots of folks don't know how and filters can have annoying
side-effects (like in Gmail).

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Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net

2014-04-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

I am seeing this post, but GMail place it in my Spam folder.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:






 My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually 
 see a post of mine. Is she the only one?


 Thanks,

 Jack


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Re: Leaping Tiger

Thanks, Frank. My  mother used to volunteer at the animal shelter in 
Iowa (where she lived) and in 2010 started talking about a kitten that 
she really loved but did not want to adopt because he would outlive her. 
I urged her to go ahead and adopt him and ultimately promised to take 
care of him if she couldn't. Her fear was sadly realized and a couple of 
years ago Jazz became part of the family. My mother kept insisting that 
he was a wuss and could not handle being outside - even though he 
managed to catch a kill a a starling on the 2nd floor balcony at her 
house. (He put the dead bird on the oven - smart cat!)  Last summer we 
made him an indoor/outdoor cat because of too much conflict with the two 
older females in the house. He loves it.


On 4/8/2014 7:15 AM, knarf wrote:

I think it's a wonderful series. I agree with Bruce,  looks like motion blur which I'm 
fine with. Very dynamic. The last photo, nice and sharp with those big hunting 
eyes really sets it all off beautifully.

Lovely tabby, btw! Looks like lots of wild left in him.

Cheers,

frank

On 6 April, 2014 8:40:40 PM EDT, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

Cat Content Caution:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2014/04/06/leaping-tiger-i?blog=9

My cat and I were hanging in the yard on this first truly warm day so
far this year and decided to try for some action shots. Didn't quite
pull it off though - not sure if I just blew it, or the K3 and DA 17-70

kept back focusing, or if the cat was too fast. He gave me three tries
though and then light was too dim... Definitely something I will be
working on in the days ahead...

This is sorta like sports photography - any advice about how to get the

eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around)
would be appreciated.

Mark

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Re: New PDML ID

2014-04-08 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

I see your email, but GMail sticks the following warning into it:

Be careful with this message. Our systems couldn't verify that this
message was really sent by yahoo.com. You might want to avoid clicking
links or replying with personal information.  Learn more
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:


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Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam

2014-04-08 Thread Bruce Walker

Here's another article discussing this Yahoo change. It suggests that
there's a fix that email list operators may be able to implement
fairly easily, depending on the list software in use of course.

http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/up-in-arms-about-yahoos-dmarc-policy.html

I have no idea if Doug can do anything about the PDML list though. (It
runs on GNU Mailman)

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org
wrote:
Quoting Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com:

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:

It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers
OTHER than those from Yahoo.

The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the
PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail
and certain other providers.

Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively
on mailing lists anymore.

So, what on earth is Yahoo's justification for this? Some sort of security
issue?

To the uninformed masses (me included), it just seems nuts.

It's a misguided (and misfiring) attempt by Yahoo to cut down on spam.
Yes, it's nuts. They don't call 'em Yahoo! for nothing.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247512/Yahoo_email_anti_spoofing_policy_breaks_mailing_lists

Anyone sending mail from a Yahoo account to the PDML should go get
another email account, not on Yahoo, and use that for PDML mail. Until
Yahoo smartens up, or forever, whichever is shorter.

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Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam


Tue Apr 8 19:16:34 EDT 2014
Matthew Hunt wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote:
 
  Just in case:
  If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from
  your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change
  described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you.
 
  It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers
  OTHER than those from Yahoo.
 
  (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem:
  Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're
  using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem
  without you having to really make any change. )
 
 The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the
 PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail
 and certain other providers.
 
 John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail
 server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo From address) to my Gmail
 account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with
 John's Yahoo From address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP
 server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by
 Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam.
 
 Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively
 on mailing lists anymore.
 

Yep, you are right. Mea culpa!

I forgot that Doug's list software doesn't rewrite the headers.
(I am subcribed to the Digest version and, most of the time, 
I read the messages via the web-interface.)

Presumably, if Doug upgrades Mailman from version 2.1.15 to 2.1.16,
he would be able to configure it so that the messages would appear as
coming from the list, not from the original author.
I don't know, however, if that is the desired behavior, as it may
break filters (will require to reconfigure them) for some people.


But I should mention that I understand the reason why Yahoo made that
change: the spam e-mails pretending being from Yahoo accounts have 
been a huge problem recently.

The problem stems from the design of the e-mail system: it was done
more than 30 years ago (RFC 822), in and for a very different environment. 
And that is the reason why it is prone to spam and other problems that
pop-up like the one with Yahoo.
The solution to all this mess is to overhaul the entire e-mail system
how it is designed, and to create a totally new paradigm of messaging.

How? If I knew, I would've been the next [Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, ...].


Igor


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Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net


On 4/8/2014 4:53 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did
actually see a post of mine. Is she the only one?


Thanks,

Jack




I saw the previous post that Ann replied to in my RoadRunner email. It
did not show up in my Yahoo email.

Your current post that I am replying to here also showed up in
RoadRunner, but not in Yahoo.

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PESO - hardware

2014-04-08 Thread Bruce Walker

Another shot of the amazing Miss E ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13728053545/

Seen at The Bazaar of the Bizarre in the Queen West area of Toronto, March 30th.

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Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam


My problem with Yahoo's smtp server is separate from the other problem.
But it does keep me from being able to test how the other problem might
affect me.

The combination of the two problems, along with Yahoo's lackadaisical
contempt for PAYING customers who need support is a crock of shit.

I absolutely will be canceling Yahoo as soon as I decide on a new email
service.

On 4/8/2014 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:


John,

Just in case:
If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from
your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change
described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you.

It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers
OTHER than those from Yahoo.

(The second link's post explains how to fix the problem:
Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're
using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem
without you having to really make any change. )


Igor


Mon Apr 7 17:55:28 EDT 2014
John Sessoms wrote:

On 4/7/2014 5:30 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

This problem is affecting most of my mailing lists, and it appears to
be due to a deliberate change by Yahoo:

https://wordtothewise.com/2014/04/brief-dmarc-primer/
https://wordtothewise.com/2014/04/example-bounces-due-yahoo-preject/

Endusers can do a couple things . For one-to-one mail make sure
you're using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the
problem without you having to really make any change. For email to
mailing lists you'll need to switch to an email address at another
domain for that mailing list.

As I understand it: Yahoo is telling recipient email services not to
accept mail from Yahoo email addresses that doesn't come from Yahoo's
servers. Since email on this mailing list, or other mailing lists,
comes from non-Yahoo servers, Gmail and other recipients reject the
mail, or mark it as spam, in accordance with Yahoo's request.



That tears it.

The only reason I have a paid Yahoo account is so I can use Yahoo's smtp
server for PDML. Now Yahoo is telling the other providers not to accept
PDML mailings posted from my Yahoo account?



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RE: PESO - hardware

2014-04-08 Thread Gerrit Visser

I like the asymmetry of the hair, face and outfit.

Gerrit

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Another shot of the amazing Miss E ...

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13728053545/

Seen at The Bazaar of the Bizarre in the Queen West area of Toronto, March
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