OT - weak strength (for linguistic nerds)

[Igor Roshchin]

For you, linquistic nerd fellows:
I just saw this phrase on Panera Bread site:
"You have a weak strength password"

Enjoy!

Igor


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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[steve harley]

on 2014-06-11 16:40 John Sessoms wrote

I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I want a
service that has a competent tech support staff in case I actually need
to contact them about a problem.

And more than anything else, I want a service provider that will
actually provide the service I pay for.


as i've mentioned before, i am very happy with Fastmail, which i moved to in 
2011; they are serious email specialists; i have never experienced a meaningful 
disruption (i get notifications by RSS in which they acknowledge little 
glitches, but usually it's just a problem with one of several redundant servers)


i have two domains there and use IMAP primarily, but their webmail is pretty 
good in a pinch, and works remarkably well on iPad or even iPhone


i use the "Enhanced" plan, $40/year, because i have email for two personal 
domains there (so far), but you can go cheaper if you don't need that:




what i particularly like is Fastmail's server-side filtering, which supports 
in-depth customization with Sieve


if you do want to use your own domain, note that you can host basic websites 
with Fastmail, or you can set the DNS for your domain(s) so Fastmail handles 
email and another service handles web hosting


i also have Yahoo, Gmail, and iCloud email accounts that i use a bit; if you 
want a free service that comes with some decent extras and is not Google, 
iCloud's worth a try; you can do regular IMAP with any client; unlike Fastmail, 
iCloud has had some significant outages, but not an obnoxious number of them






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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[Bill]

On 11/06/2014 1:36 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:




Along those lines, PDML has combined photographic experience of over
500 years!


Given the age of most of us, I suspect you could safely at a zero to 
that number.


bill


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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I use Apple's mail service through iCloud and it's been 100% reliable. But I 
also have a bunch of domains, leased and managed by Hover.com, each with its 
own email. Hover has very affordable domain name management and email 
offerings, and they've been 100% reliable. They're also great on service.   See 
https://www.hover.com/email for email details. 

I moved all my domains and such from GoDaddy.com a while back. I was unhappy 
with the complexity and need for service. Hover is a piece of cake to work 
with. 

Godfrey


> On Jun 11, 2014, at 3:40 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> I need a new email service provider.
> 
> Time Warner's servers have been down for two days now and they have no
> idea if they are ever going to fix the problem.
> 
> We've already been over the problems inherent in using Yahoo for email
> especially with a mailing list.
> 
> I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I want a
> service that has a competent tech support staff in case I actually need
> to contact them about a problem.
> 
> And more than anything else, I want a service provider that will
> actually provide the service I pay for.
> 
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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Ann Sanfedele]

but more importantly - have fun!

ann

On 6/11/2014 17:02, Bob W-PDML wrote:

If I want to get myself bien homologué then I have to write a compte rendu for 
l'union des randonneurs Picards, so naturally I will post it online.

B


On 11 Jun 2014, at 20:24, "Chris Mitchell"  wrote:

Go well. We expect a comprehensive travelogue from you.

Chris


On 11 June 2014 01:25, Bob W  wrote:
I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
it I will unsubscribe shortly.

I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:



It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.

Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
out a search party, and bring beer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan

If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
some pictures while I'm there.

B

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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[John Sessoms]

I don't hate gmail. I just already have more Google in my life than I
want, and I'm not going to add any more.

I'm not looking for web hosting.

I just want a reliable, non-intrusive email service provider that I can
access using Thunderbird. I don't mind paying for service, but I'm
getting really tired of paying for service and not getting it.

I'm fed up with Time Warner, and I'm fed up with Yahoo.

I will be following up pair.com and earthlink tomorrow. Both had actual
telephone numbers on their websites so that I can talk to someone there
to find out if they have available what I want.

On 6/11/2014 8:25 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Ah, sorry John. I didn't realize how much you hate gmail. I wasn't
trying to yank your chain. (Thanks for the heads up, Bruce!) John, I
buy web hosting space from godaddy.com. I use this to post the photos
I share on PDML. With this account, I get an email address, which I
also use for my PDML subscription--and other things as well. I find
the annual fee affordable, though I can't remember what it is as I
write this, and I'm not at home to look it up.

Perhaps something like this might be an option for you.

Cheers, Christine

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 11, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Bruce Walker 
wrote:

I'm not sure if you are knowingly yanking John's chain with that
suggestion Christine, but John: before you give her your speech
about how much you detest letting any more of Google into your
life, you should stop and consider this choice.

You can have either or both POP3 and IMAP. (I use both.) And it can
be set up to scrape other mailservers via POP for you so you get
all your mail in one place.

It's reliable. I've been using it as my (almost) sole email server
for over seven years and the amount of time I could not access my
mail in that period is maybe an hour.

It has competent tech support staff. I wouldn't give you odds that
you could ever contact any of them, but you never need to because
they treat it seriously and run it like an actual business with
paying customers. Indeed they have paying levels of support (Google
Apps) so the free users benefit.

They provide infinitely more service than you pay for since you
don't pay anything for it. :-)

And you don't need to worry about ads and such if you only access
it through IMAP or POP3. You'll just get your mail; no hassles.

I think I can speak for all PDMLers when I say that I'd really like
to see you have reliable email for once.



On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Christine Aguila
 wrote: Gmail?  Cheers, Christine

Sent from my iPad


On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:40 PM, John Sessoms
 wrote:

I need a new email service provider.

Time Warner's servers have been down for two days now and they
have no idea if they are ever going to fix the problem.

We've already been over the problems inherent in using Yahoo
for email especially with a mailing list.

I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I
want a service that has a competent tech support staff in case
I actually need to contact them about a problem.

And more than anything else, I want a service provider that
will actually provide the service I pay for.



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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[John Sessoms]

Thank you. I will also call Earthlink tomorrow.

On 6/11/2014 11:05 PM, Paul wrote:

Another vote for Earthlink...$7.95 a month for five addresses.  I also
have a domain through Earthlink.  Probably a little more expensive than
GoDaddy, but I started with them and found the service good.

OTOH, my two gmail accounts have given me no problems...one of them is
for pdml

-p

On 6/11/2014 7:13 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

As I said the last time you asked, try pair.com
Not free. With free you get what you pay for.
Or try earthlink if you want something more mainstream.

stan

On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:40 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:


I need a new email service provider.

Time Warner's servers have been down for two days now and they have no
idea if they are ever going to fix the problem.

We've already been over the problems inherent in using Yahoo for email
especially with a mailing list.

I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I want a
service that has a competent tech support staff in case I actually need
to contact them about a problem.

And more than anything else, I want a service provider that will
actually provide the service I pay for.


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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[John Sessoms]

I don't mind paying for service. I DO mind VERY MUCH paying for service
and then not getting it.

I am paying for Time-Warner & I'm not getting the service I pay for.
I am not happy with Yahoo mail, which I also pay for.

I will attempt to CALL pair.com tomorrow & see if they offer the service
I'm looking for at a price that I am able to afford. I'm not looking for
business web hosting.

On 6/11/2014 8:13 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

As I said the last time you asked, try pair.com
Not free. With free you get what you pay for.
Or try earthlink if you want something more mainstream.

stan

On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:40 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:


I need a new email service provider.

Time Warner's servers have been down for two days now and they have no
idea if they are ever going to fix the problem.

We've already been over the problems inherent in using Yahoo for email
especially with a mailing list.

I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I want a
service that has a competent tech support staff in case I actually need
to contact them about a problem.

And more than anything else, I want a service provider that will
actually provide the service I pay for.



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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[Paul]

Another vote for Earthlink...$7.95 a month for five addresses.  I also 
have a domain through Earthlink.  Probably a little more expensive than 
GoDaddy, but I started with them and found the service good.


OTOH, my two gmail accounts have given me no problems...one of them is 
for pdml


-p

On 6/11/2014 7:13 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

As I said the last time you asked, try pair.com
Not free. With free you get what you pay for.
Or try earthlink if you want something more mainstream.

stan

On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:40 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:


I need a new email service provider.

Time Warner's servers have been down for two days now and they have no
idea if they are ever going to fix the problem.

We've already been over the problems inherent in using Yahoo for email
especially with a mailing list.

I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I want a
service that has a competent tech support staff in case I actually need
to contact them about a problem.

And more than anything else, I want a service provider that will
actually provide the service I pay for.

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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[P.J. Alling]

On 6/11/2014 6:46 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:


Apart from the lack of meaning in the sentence quoted, it includes one of those 
strange
repetitive and redundant turns of phrase which really grates on my nerves. 
“Together,
both partners have a combined history…”

My Spousal Unit watches true-crime shows on TV, and the law
enforcement officers they interview are apparently paid by the
syllable.  My favorite redundancy from this evening's episode: "It
tested positive for male semen."


Well, you wouldn't want it to test positive for female semen, would you?

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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[P.J. Alling]

You would miss the half the joy of deconstruction, in that case.

On 6/11/2014 5:32 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Apart from the lack of meaning in the sentence quoted, it includes one of those 
strange repetitive and redundant turns of phrase which really grates on my 
nerves. “Together, both partners have a combined history…”

Lets deconstruct that. If they have a combined history of whatever, then it 
probably is not separately. So Saying “Together” is not needed. And then we 
find that “…both partners have…”  Not just one of the partners, but both of 
them? Imagine that.

A simple straightforward phrasing would be: “The partners have a combined 
history…”  If they are going to write meaningless twaddle, at least they could 
avoid bad writing.

stan

On Jun 11, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:



Thank you, for the interesting document.
Well, the Press Release you referenced is full of ... puffing up the
cheaks.

"Together, both partners have a combined history of 146 years in
the Photo Industry."

Along those lines, PDML has combined photographic experience of over
500 years!
Does that number matter?

Igor






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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[Christine Aguila]

Ah, sorry John. I didn't realize how much you hate gmail. I wasn't trying to 
yank your chain. (Thanks for the heads up, Bruce!) John, I buy web hosting 
space from godaddy.com. I use this to post the photos I share on PDML. With 
this account, I get an email address, which I also use for my PDML 
subscription--and other things as well. I find the annual fee affordable, 
though I can't remember what it is as I write this, and I'm not at home to look 
it up. 

Perhaps something like this might be an option for you.  

Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 7:48 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure if you are knowingly yanking John's chain with that
> suggestion Christine, but John: before you give her your speech about
> how much you detest letting any more of Google into your life, you
> should stop and consider this choice.
> 
> You can have either or both POP3 and IMAP. (I use both.) And it can be
> set up to scrape other mailservers via POP for you so you get all your
> mail in one place.
> 
> It's reliable. I've been using it as my (almost) sole email server for
> over seven years and the amount of time I could not access my mail in
> that period is maybe an hour.
> 
> It has competent tech support staff. I wouldn't give you odds that you
> could ever contact any of them, but you never need to because they
> treat it seriously and run it like an actual business with paying
> customers. Indeed they have paying levels of support (Google Apps) so
> the free users benefit.
> 
> They provide infinitely more service than you pay for since you don't
> pay anything for it. :-)
> 
> And you don't need to worry about ads and such if you only access it
> through IMAP or POP3. You'll just get your mail; no hassles.
> 
> I think I can speak for all PDMLers when I say that I'd really like to
> see you have reliable email for once.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Christine Aguila  
>> wrote:
>> Gmail?  Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:40 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need a new email service provider.
>>> 
>>> Time Warner's servers have been down for two days now and they have no
>>> idea if they are ever going to fix the problem.
>>> 
>>> We've already been over the problems inherent in using Yahoo for email
>>> especially with a mailing list.
>>> 
>>> I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I want a
>>> service that has a competent tech support staff in case I actually need
>>> to contact them about a problem.
>>> 
>>> And more than anything else, I want a service provider that will
>>> actually provide the service I pay for.
>>> 
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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[Stanley Halpin]

As I said the last time you asked, try pair.com
Not free. With free you get what you pay for.
Or try earthlink if you want something more mainstream.

stan

On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:40 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> I need a new email service provider.
> 
> Time Warner's servers have been down for two days now and they have no
> idea if they are ever going to fix the problem.
> 
> We've already been over the problems inherent in using Yahoo for email
> especially with a mailing list.
> 
> I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I want a
> service that has a competent tech support staff in case I actually need
> to contact them about a problem.
> 
> And more than anything else, I want a service provider that will
> actually provide the service I pay for.
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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[Bruce Walker]

I'm not sure if you are knowingly yanking John's chain with that
suggestion Christine, but John: before you give her your speech about
how much you detest letting any more of Google into your life, you
should stop and consider this choice.

You can have either or both POP3 and IMAP. (I use both.) And it can be
set up to scrape other mailservers via POP for you so you get all your
mail in one place.

It's reliable. I've been using it as my (almost) sole email server for
over seven years and the amount of time I could not access my mail in
that period is maybe an hour.

It has competent tech support staff. I wouldn't give you odds that you
could ever contact any of them, but you never need to because they
treat it seriously and run it like an actual business with paying
customers. Indeed they have paying levels of support (Google Apps) so
the free users benefit.

They provide infinitely more service than you pay for since you don't
pay anything for it. :-)

And you don't need to worry about ads and such if you only access it
through IMAP or POP3. You'll just get your mail; no hassles.

I think I can speak for all PDMLers when I say that I'd really like to
see you have reliable email for once.


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Gmail?  Cheers, Christine
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 6:40 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>>
>> I need a new email service provider.
>>
>> Time Warner's servers have been down for two days now and they have no
>> idea if they are ever going to fix the problem.
>>
>> We've already been over the problems inherent in using Yahoo for email
>> especially with a mailing list.
>>
>> I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I want a
>> service that has a competent tech support staff in case I actually need
>> to contact them about a problem.
>>
>> And more than anything else, I want a service provider that will
>> actually provide the service I pay for.
>>
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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[Bruce Walker]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:
>
> A simple straightforward phrasing would be: “The partners have a
> combined history…”  If they are going to write meaningless twaddle,
> at least they could avoid bad writing.

Consider the source. The kind of folks that write meaningless twaddle
are not the kind that worry about writing quality. Having had to work
closely with The Marketing Dept. at a couple of high-tech firms, I
know this well.

At best you can hope that meaningless twaddle producers would at least
hire good editors.

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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[Mark Roberts]

Matthew Hunt wrote:

>On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>
>>>My Spousal Unit watches true-crime shows on TV, and the law
>>>enforcement officers they interview are apparently paid by the
>>>syllable.  My favorite redundancy from this evening's episode: "It
>>>tested positive for male semen."
>>
>> Technically, sperm that carries a Y chromosome could be said to be
>> "male" sperm and that with an X chromosome could be said to be a
>> "female" sperm. But I don't think that's what they meant :)
>
>Sorting it on the fly would be an impressive party trick.

I never get invited to parties like those.
 
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Re: PESO - News ...

[Bruce Walker]

Thanks, Christine.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> Hi Bruce. I agree a little with both Ann and Paul Stenquist. I like the 
> light, I think Paul's point about the hand by the ear is valid, but I do 
> agree with Ann about the emotion evoked by the model's facial expression.
>
> Cheers, Christine
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88382325347
>>
>> Comments invited.
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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:

>>My Spousal Unit watches true-crime shows on TV, and the law
>>enforcement officers they interview are apparently paid by the
>>syllable.  My favorite redundancy from this evening's episode: "It
>>tested positive for male semen."
>
> Technically, sperm that carries a Y chromosome could be said to be
> "male" sperm and that with an X chromosome could be said to be a
> "female" sperm. But I don't think that's what they meant :)

Sorting it on the fly would be an impressive party trick.

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Re: I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[Christine Aguila]

Gmail?  Cheers, Christine 

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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

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Matthew Hunt wrote:

>On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Stanley Halpin
> wrote:
>
>> Apart from the lack of meaning in the sentence quoted, it includes one of 
>> those strange
>> repetitive and redundant turns of phrase which really grates on my nerves. 
>> “Together,
>> both partners have a combined history…”
>
>My Spousal Unit watches true-crime shows on TV, and the law
>enforcement officers they interview are apparently paid by the
>syllable.  My favorite redundancy from this evening's episode: "It
>tested positive for male semen."

Technically, sperm that carries a Y chromosome could be said to be
"male" sperm and that with an X chromosome could be said to be a
"female" sperm. But I don't think that's what they meant :)

 
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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Bob W-PDML]

On 11 Jun 2014, at 08:21, "David Mann"  wrote:
> 
> That's a damn good effort, hope it goes well.  And I hope you remember to 
> stop or you'll end up like Sir Ranulph Fiennes and circumnavigate the world 
> the hard way.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but in case of frostbite I sawed my own 
fingers off earlier this evening. My cycling mitts are a much better fit now.

> 
> We're doing a similar thing in Australia later in the year but on a train 
> instead.  It'd be amazing to bike through there but maybe a bit dangerous.

That would be something.

B
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> 

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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[Matthew Hunt]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:32 PM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:

> Apart from the lack of meaning in the sentence quoted, it includes one of 
> those strange
> repetitive and redundant turns of phrase which really grates on my nerves. 
> “Together,
> both partners have a combined history…”

My Spousal Unit watches true-crime shows on TV, and the law
enforcement officers they interview are apparently paid by the
syllable.  My favorite redundancy from this evening's episode: "It
tested positive for male semen."

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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Bob W-PDML]

That's two people, you and Bill, who think Toronto is the centre of the 
universe and only one, Dali, his anteater and his lobster, who think it's 
Perpignan railway station. So I guess Toronto gets it. i'll see you both on the 
station forecourt on the morning of 6th July, and I hope there's a night train 
from Toronto to Paris.

B

> On 11 Jun 2014, at 04:07, "knarf"  wrote:
> 
> By "Centre of the Universe" I thought you must mean Toronto. 
> 
> Well have fun anyway. Take many photos. 
> 
> Speak funny languages. Drink lots. Ride safe. Not in that order. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> frank
> 
>> On 10 June, 2014 8:25:31 PM EDT, Bob W  wrote:
>> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how
>> to do
>> it I will unsubscribe shortly. 
>> 
>> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train
>> back.
>> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from
>> Dunkerque
>> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
>> 
>> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have
>> planned
>> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks,
>> send
>> out a search party, and bring beer.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
>> 
>> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and
>> take
>> some pictures while I'm there.
>> 
>> B
> 
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I hope someone will see this & be able to reply.

[John Sessoms]

I need a new email service provider.

Time Warner's servers have been down for two days now and they have no
idea if they are ever going to fix the problem.

We've already been over the problems inherent in using Yahoo for email
especially with a mailing list.

I want POP3 or IMAP. I want a service that is reliable. And I want a
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And more than anything else, I want a service provider that will
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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[Igor Roshchin]

Stan, yes, I saw that but decided that I shouldn't be too picky. :-)

Back when I was a kid, there was a very popular program "Radio-Nanny".
They were discussing a bunch of different things, but occasionally they
were discussing some grammar questions in a funny way.

One time there was this dialogue:
- ... I saw it with my own eyes! ... 
- Hold on .. Do you have eyes that yours but not own(ed)?
- I saw it with my eyes!...
- Hold on... Can you see with somebody else's eyes?
- I saw it with eyes!...
- Can you see with something besides your eyes (maybe ears?)
- I saw it!
- There we go... What did you see?


Back in the college, one of my faviorite professors wrote as a part of the 
autograph in his book: "Tautology yields emphasis! Keep learning, Igor!"

Indeed, frequently, the intent of tautology is the emphasis.
And that is a known effect and trend. I believe it has been even
discussed on the popular radio program "A Way With Words" 
http://www.waywordradio.org/
It bothers me neverthless, I am with you on that.


Cheers,

Igor





 Stanley Halpin Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:33:44 -0700 wrote:

Apart from the lack of meaning in the sentence quoted, it includes one of those 
strange repetitive and redundant turns of phrase which really grates on my 
nerves. "Together, both partners have a combined history".


Lets deconstruct that. If they have a combined history of whatever, then it 
probably is not separately. So Saying "Together" is not needed. And then we 
find that "...both partners have..."  Not just one of the partners, but both of 
them? Imagine that.

A simple straightforward phrasing would be: "The partners have a combined 
history..."  If they are going to write meaningless twaddle, at least they 
could 
avoid bad writing.

stan

On Jun 11, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:

> 
> 
> Thank you, for the interesting document.
> Well, the Press Release you referenced is full of ... puffing up the
> cheaks. 
> 
> "Together, both partners have a combined history of 146 years in
> the Photo Industry."
> 
> Along those lines, PDML has combined photographic experience of over 
> 500 years!
> Does that number matter?
> 
> Igor
> 

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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Bob W-PDML]

It´s a long way to Hartford, CT... I might have to have a Belle Rose Blonde 
instead.

> On 11 Jun 2014, at 22:10, "Christine Aguila"  wrote:
> 
> And be sure to find yourself a naughty nurse for the aches and pains!
> Cheers, Christine 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. The alternative is being held prisoner by surviving Camisards 
>> somewhere deep in the maquis, and having to eat my tyres to survive. Cooked 
>> in a nice buttery sauce, évidement.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On 11 Jun 2014, at 21:54, "Christine Aguila"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Have a great trip, Bob, and happy pedaling!  My money says you will make 
>>> the distance. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Christine 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Bob W  wrote:
 
 I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
 it I will unsubscribe shortly. 
 
 I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train 
 back.
 Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
 
 
 
 It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from 
 Dunkerque
 to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
 
 Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
 some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
 out a search party, and bring beer.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
 
 If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
 some pictures while I'm there.
 
 B
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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[Stanley Halpin]

Apart from the lack of meaning in the sentence quoted, it includes one of those 
strange repetitive and redundant turns of phrase which really grates on my 
nerves. “Together, both partners have a combined history…”

Lets deconstruct that. If they have a combined history of whatever, then it 
probably is not separately. So Saying “Together” is not needed. And then we 
find that “…both partners have…”  Not just one of the partners, but both of 
them? Imagine that.

A simple straightforward phrasing would be: “The partners have a combined 
history…”  If they are going to write meaningless twaddle, at least they could 
avoid bad writing.

stan

On Jun 11, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:

> 
> 
> Thank you, for the interesting document.
> Well, the Press Release you referenced is full of ... puffing up the
> cheaks. 
> 
> "Together, both partners have a combined history of 146 years in
> the Photo Industry."
> 
> Along those lines, PDML has combined photographic experience of over 
> 500 years!
> Does that number matter?
> 
> Igor
> 


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Re: PESO - Bike Love

[Christine Aguila]

Great expressions between the couple, Frank. Background a bit distracting. 
Still, nice one. 
Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 9, 2014, at 10:05 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Couldn't resist. Just a quick snap:
> 
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2014/06/bike-love-on-ossington.html?m=1
> 
> Ah, young love...
> 
> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> frank
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Re: PESO - News ...

[Christine Aguila]

Hi Bruce. I agree a little with both Ann and Paul Stenquist. I like the light, 
I think Paul's point about the hand by the ear is valid, but I do agree with 
Ann about the emotion evoked by the model's facial expression. 

Cheers, Christine 

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> On Jun 10, 2014, at 1:33 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
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> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88382325347
> 
> Comments invited.
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Christine Aguila]

Nice sharp image of the flower. Pretty colors too!  Nice one, Dan. Cheers, 
Christine 

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> On Jun 10, 2014, at 11:57 PM, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
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> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17786923
> K-5IIs, FA 100mm F2.8 macro
> Comments are invited
> 
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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Christine Aguila]

And be sure to find yourself a naughty nurse for the aches and pains!
Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 11, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. The alternative is being held prisoner by surviving Camisards 
> somewhere deep in the maquis, and having to eat my tyres to survive. Cooked 
> in a nice buttery sauce, évidement.
> 
> B
> 
>> On 11 Jun 2014, at 21:54, "Christine Aguila"  wrote:
>> 
>> Have a great trip, Bob, and happy pedaling!  My money says you will make the 
>> distance. 
>> 
>> Cheers, Christine 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
>>> it I will unsubscribe shortly. 
>>> 
>>> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
>>> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
>>> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
>>> 
>>> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
>>> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
>>> out a search party, and bring beer.
>>> 
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
>>> 
>>> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
>>> some pictures while I'm there.
>>> 
>>> B
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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Bob W-PDML]

Thanks. The alternative is being held prisoner by surviving Camisards somewhere 
deep in the maquis, and having to eat my tyres to survive. Cooked in a nice 
buttery sauce, évidement.

B

> On 11 Jun 2014, at 21:54, "Christine Aguila"  wrote:
> 
> Have a great trip, Bob, and happy pedaling!  My money says you will make the 
> distance. 
> 
> Cheers, Christine 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> 
>> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
>> it I will unsubscribe shortly. 
>> 
>> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
>> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
>> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
>> 
>> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
>> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
>> out a search party, and bring beer.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
>> 
>> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
>> some pictures while I'm there.
>> 
>> B
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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Bob W-PDML]

If I want to get myself bien homologué then I have to write a compte rendu for 
l'union des randonneurs Picards, so naturally I will post it online.

B

> On 11 Jun 2014, at 20:24, "Chris Mitchell"  wrote:
> 
> Go well. We expect a comprehensive travelogue from you.
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On 11 June 2014 01:25, Bob W  wrote:
>> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
>> it I will unsubscribe shortly.
>> 
>> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
>> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
>> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
>> 
>> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
>> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
>> out a search party, and bring beer.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
>> 
>> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
>> some pictures while I'm there.
>> 
>> B
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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Christine Aguila]

Have a great trip, Bob, and happy pedaling!  My money says you will make the 
distance. 

Cheers, Christine 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 10, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> 
> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
> it I will unsubscribe shortly. 
> 
> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
> 
> 
> 
> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
> 
> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
> out a search party, and bring beer.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
> 
> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
> some pictures while I'm there.
> 
> B
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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[Bruce Walker]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Igor Roshchin  wrote:
>
> Thank you, for the interesting document.
> Well, the Press Release you referenced is full of ... puffing up the
> cheaks.
>
> "Together, both partners have a combined history of 146 years in
> the Photo Industry."
>
> Along those lines, PDML has combined photographic experience of over
> 500 years!
> Does that number matter?

Of course. It means we were arguing about the sharpness of glass and
sturdiness of tripods before the camera was even invented.

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Re: Another one bites the dust -- Ilford

[Igor Roshchin]

Thank you, for the interesting document.
Well, the Press Release you referenced is full of ... puffing up the
cheaks. 

"Together, both partners have a combined history of 146 years in
the Photo Industry."

Along those lines, PDML has combined photographic experience of over 
500 years!
Does that number matter?

Igor


 Morris Galloway Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:51:07 -0700 wrote:

> Ilford here? Ilford Where? Before we all know it, this Ilford mess will
> be as big as Aspirin, Nylon and the rest of that whole trademark
> imbroglio.
> 
> 
> As if that were not enough, here is the press release from C.R. Kennedy,
> mis-branded or mis-identified wrongly in another presser as C.R. K.
> Kennedy already sited here.
> 
> 
> http://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Ilford/Chronology/Marc_Payett/PRESS%20RELEASE%20-%20WORLD%20FAMOUS%20ILFORD%20BRAND%20NOW%20IN%20SAFE%20HANDS%20-%20May%2014.pdf
> 
> (Yes, C.R. Kennedy does have a very nice "K" inside their rectangle
> logo.) Just make film, paper and other stuff, Ilford, or whoever is
> whoever.
> 
> 
> Galloway, confused again, re-lurking.

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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Chris Mitchell]

Go well. We expect a comprehensive travelogue from you.

Chris

On 11 June 2014 01:25, Bob W  wrote:
> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
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>
> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>
> 
>
> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
>
> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
> out a search party, and bring beer.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
>
> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
> some pictures while I'm there.
>
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Attila Boros]

Very nice flower.

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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

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On 11 Jun 2014, at 10:35, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:
> 
> On 11/6/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> 
>> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
>> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>> 
>> 
> 
> Nice one Bob. Good luck!
> 
> Your route gives you the added advantage that gravity will do most of
> the work ;-)
> 

I'm hoping to gather enough momentum to conquer the Massif Central and the 
Pyrenees without pedalling.

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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Bob W-PDML]

I'm not sure that anyone has defined the width of the meridian, so I have 
plenty of latitude with the longitude.

(Actually, the people to whom I have to submit my brevets for homologation, if 
I choose to do so, have some rules about it).

B

> On 11 Jun 2014, at 13:52, "Stanley Halpin"  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like a nice route. I had thought that following the meridian would be 
> straighter, but I guess you choose to stick mostly to roads.
> Allez, allez!
> 
> stan
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Bob W  wrote:
>> 
>> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
>> it I will unsubscribe shortly. 
>> 
>> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
>> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
>> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
>> 
>> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
>> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
>> out a search party, and bring beer.
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
>> 
>> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
>> some pictures while I'm there.
>> 
>> B
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Bob Sullivan]

If next winter in New Jersey is anything like last winter in Chicago,
you'll value that picture for 5 months, even with a month in Maui!
Regards,  Bob S.

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>
> I'll spend part of the winter in Maui, so I won't need the print then.  
>
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>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> Dan,
>> Rich colors and sharp focus with a clean composition.
>> Get a big print of that for winter.
>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
>>  wrote:
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17786923
>>> K-5IIs, FA 100mm F2.8 macro
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Bob.

I'll spend part of the winter in Maui, so I won't need the print then.  

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> Dan,
> Rich colors and sharp focus with a clean composition.
> Get a big print of that for winter.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
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Re: OT - 5 Lightroom tips

[Charles Robinson]

On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:29 , Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Some useful shortcuts and Good Things To Know for all you Lightroom folks ...
> 
> http://www.fundysoftware.com/tip-top-5-secret-lightroom-tips-part-one
> 

Good stuff (and things that I already do, actually). 

I was puzzled only by the "hold the alt key when moving sliders to see what 
you're changing and avoid clipping" tip.  It's much simpler to just hover over 
(or click on) the "black clipping" and "highlight clipping" arrows on each top 
corner of the histogram when you REALLY want to know if you're going "below 
black" or "above white".

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Re: PESO - News ...

[Ann Sanfedele]

Actually - I read her as being unhappy and felt her expression showed 
that.. maybe what I saw was her being uncomfortable physically..


See what you all mean about the pose - but as a model she conveyed
real emotion to me.

ann

On 6/11/2014 11:19, Paul Stenquist wrote:

The lighting is excellent as usual. I think the problem here is that the pose 
is unnatural. It looks uncomfortable. Her right hand isn’t contacting her head 
— it’s kind of waving at her ear -- and she’s leaning to the right at a strange 
angle  The idea is good: a shot in repose. But you have to get her to land in a 
natural position that’s still attractive. Not easy.

Paul
On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Bill  wrote:

On 11/06/2014 8:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Do you mean in the way Frank suggests?

Thanks for the look and comment, Bill.



Yeah, it just looks really forced and contrived. Technically it is flawless
though.


Thanks, Bill. Did you see my comment to Frank? Can I put the blame on
my attempt to caption it -- I have no idea what was actually going
through the model's head at that moment.

The good news for me is that am free to concentrate 100% on connecting
with the model, if you guys all feel the lighting is okay. :-) That
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Re: PESO - News ...

[Bruce Walker]

The waving-near-her-ear could have been because I was having her avoid
putting too much weight on her arms ("just touch; don't lean"), or
just bad timing of the shot on my part too.

Thank you, Paul.


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Paul Stenquist
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> The lighting is excellent as usual. I think the problem here is that the pose 
> is unnatural. It looks uncomfortable. Her right hand isn’t contacting her 
> head — it’s kind of waving at her ear -- and she’s leaning to the right at a 
> strange angle  The idea is good: a shot in repose. But you have to get her to 
> land in a natural position that’s still attractive. Not easy.
>
> Paul
> On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Bill  wrote:
>>> On 11/06/2014 8:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Do you mean in the way Frank suggests?

 Thanks for the look and comment, Bill.

>>>
>>> Yeah, it just looks really forced and contrived. Technically it is flawless
>>> though.
>>
>> Thanks, Bill. Did you see my comment to Frank? Can I put the blame on
>> my attempt to caption it -- I have no idea what was actually going
>> through the model's head at that moment.
>>
>> The good news for me is that am free to concentrate 100% on connecting
>> with the model, if you guys all feel the lighting is okay. :-) That
>> will be my next plateau.
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Bob Sullivan]

Dan,
Rich colors and sharp focus with a clean composition.
Get a big print of that for winter.
Regards,  Bob S.

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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Bob Sullivan]

Bob W.,
Go safe, and no broken bones please!
Bring back pictures of the Frenchies.
Have a couple of extra fries for me.
Marvelous idea.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:34 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 11/6/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>
>>I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
>>Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>>
>>
>
> Nice one Bob. Good luck!
>
> Your route gives you the added advantage that gravity will do most of
> the work ;-)
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OT - 5 Lightroom tips

[Bruce Walker]

Some useful shortcuts and Good Things To Know for all you Lightroom folks ...

http://www.fundysoftware.com/tip-top-5-secret-lightroom-tips-part-one

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Re: PESO - News ...

[Paul Stenquist]

The lighting is excellent as usual. I think the problem here is that the pose 
is unnatural. It looks uncomfortable. Her right hand isn’t contacting her head 
— it’s kind of waving at her ear -- and she’s leaning to the right at a strange 
angle  The idea is good: a shot in repose. But you have to get her to land in a 
natural position that’s still attractive. Not easy.

Paul
On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Bill  wrote:
>> On 11/06/2014 8:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you mean in the way Frank suggests?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the look and comment, Bill.
>>> 
>> 
>> Yeah, it just looks really forced and contrived. Technically it is flawless
>> though.
> 
> Thanks, Bill. Did you see my comment to Frank? Can I put the blame on
> my attempt to caption it -- I have no idea what was actually going
> through the model's head at that moment.
> 
> The good news for me is that am free to concentrate 100% on connecting
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Ann and Bruce.

I guess I'm just a bit more flamboyant than you are, Ann.  

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On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> That's a beauty, Dan; a wonderful specimen, and well captured.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Bruce Walker]

That's a beauty, Dan; a wonderful specimen, and well captured.


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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Bruce Walker]

Seems like a lot of trouble to go to simply to avoid having to reset
your watch for time zones. :-) Or are you going to double-check the SI
guys' work?

An inspiring undertaking, and what a fabulous trip this will be. Godspeed, Bob!


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Bob W  wrote:
> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
> it I will unsubscribe shortly.
>
> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>
> 
>
> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
>
> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
> out a search party, and bring beer.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
>
> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
> some pictures while I'm there.
>
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Re: PESO - News ...

[Bruce Walker]

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Bill  wrote:
> On 11/06/2014 8:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Do you mean in the way Frank suggests?
>>
>> Thanks for the look and comment, Bill.
>>
>
> Yeah, it just looks really forced and contrived. Technically it is flawless
> though.

Thanks, Bill. Did you see my comment to Frank? Can I put the blame on
my attempt to caption it -- I have no idea what was actually going
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Re: PESO - News ...

[Bill]

On 11/06/2014 8:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Do you mean in the way Frank suggests?

Thanks for the look and comment, Bill.



Yeah, it just looks really forced and contrived. Technically it is 
flawless though.


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Re: PESO - News ...

[Bruce Walker]

Do you mean in the way Frank suggests?

Thanks for the look and comment, Bill.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Bill  wrote:
> On 10/06/2014 11:33 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/88382325347
>>
>> Comments invited.
>>
> You are trying to hard Bruce.
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Re: PESO - News ...

[Bruce Walker]

Would it work better without the caption? -- say, "Untitled".

This was just a spontaneous pose that the model held for a moment. I
realize that by adding my caption I'm interpreting some aspect of the
scene, and in turn likely influencing the viewer to some extent.

Thanks for considering it, Frank.

Very interesting to hear differing views on this subject matter.
Facial expressions are complex and showing _real_ emotion is not
trivial.


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:41 PM, knarf  wrote:
> Hmmm...
>
> I really want to like it but there's something not quite working for me. I 
> think I know what Bill means.
>
> It feels forced, not natural.
>
> Of course technically it's flawless.
>
> Cheers,
> frank
>
> On 10 June, 2014 1:33:43 PM EDT, Bruce Walker  wrote:
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Ann Sanfedele]

amazing what using a tripod  does :-)
And that macro lens is terrific, isn't it?

that works, although I'd have toned it down just a tad - the
green leaves look not quite real - again, that mya just be my monitor

ann

On 6/10/2014 23:57, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17786923
K-5IIs, FA 100mm F2.8 macro
Comments are invited

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, David and Jack!

Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> SHARP! Nice composition and color. My tiny mind is a "tiny" be bothered by
> that bit of background on the left center. I'd have to clone some greenery
> to fill it.
>
> Jack
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> To: "PDML" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:57:57 PM
> Subject: PESO: Gazania
>
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> K-5IIs, FA 100mm F2.8 macro
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>
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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Stanley Halpin]

Looks like a nice route. I had thought that following the meridian would be 
straighter, but I guess you choose to stick mostly to roads.
Allez, allez!

stan
 
On Jun 10, 2014, at 8:25 PM, Bob W  wrote:

> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
> it I will unsubscribe shortly. 
> 
> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
> 
> 
> 
> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
> 
> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
> out a search party, and bring beer.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
> 
> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
> some pictures while I'm there.
> 
> B
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[Jack Davis]

SHARP! Nice composition and color. My tiny mind is a "tiny" be bothered by
that bit of background on the left center. I'd have to clone some greenery
to fill it.

Jack

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From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 8:57:57 PM
Subject: PESO: Gazania

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17786923
K-5IIs, FA 100mm F2.8 macro
Comments are invited

Dan Matyola
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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[Steve Cottrell]

On 11/6/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
>Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
>
>

Nice one Bob. Good luck!

Your route gives you the added advantage that gravity will do most of
the work ;-)
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Travel monitor for a mac mini?

[Larry Colen]

I’m looking at a possible short notice road trip.  At the moment, my only 
reasonably powerful computer is a mac mini. The displays that I have for it are 
fine for the desktop, but physically too big to be convenient to take on a 
trip, and the “smaller” display is only 1080x1920 resolution.
The ideal display for taking my computer on the road would probably be the 
equivalent of a standalone 15” retina display.

Does anyone have suggestions for a relatively inexpensive solution for that?

Failing that, I would at least want an inexpensive portable machine (laptop?) 
that has good bandwidth reading SSD cards and USB 3 connectivity to an external 
drive, so that I could at least copy files off of my cards onto an external 
drive while on the road.
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Re: OT: Journey to the centre of the universe

[David Mann]

That's a damn good effort, hope it goes well.  And I hope you remember to stop 
or you'll end up like Sir Ranulph Fiennes and circumnavigate the world the hard 
way.

We're doing a similar thing in Australia later in the year but on a train 
instead.  It'd be amazing to bike through there but maybe a bit dangerous.

Cheers,
Dave

On Jun 11, 2014, at 12:25 pm, Bob W  wrote:

> I am going on holiday for 3 weeks on Friday, so if I can remember how to do
> it I will unsubscribe shortly. 
> 
> I'm planning to cycle to the centre of the universe then get the train back.
> Here is my intended route, for those who are interested in such things:
> 
> 
> 
> It follows more or less the Paris meridian, which was plotted from Dunkerque
> to Barcelona in order to establish the length of the metre.
> 
> Not being all that confident of being able to achieve this I have planned
> some escape routes, but if you don't hear from me after about 4 weeks, send
> out a search party, and bring beer.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Gare_de_Perpignan
> 
> If I can overcome my cosmogonic ecstacy for long enough I'll try and take
> some pictures while I'm there.
> 
> B
> 
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Re: PESO: Gazania

[David Mann]

My favourite! :D  I love the colours on those flowers.

I have tons of them in the front garden in lots of different colours.  They 
thrive despite the poor, dry soil there and they tolerate the frosts well.  
I've spent a couple of seasons digging up the little ones that self-sow and 
repositioning them (I didn't have any success trying to sprout the seeds in 
trays).  Next season I should have lots of blooms around the letterbox.

Here's a closeup of one that I took a few years ago.
http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/187/

Cheers,
Dave

On Jun 11, 2014, at 3:57 pm, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17786923
> K-5IIs, FA 100mm F2.8 macro
> Comments are invited
> 
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