Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C

Thanks, Darren! Much appreciated!

Mark

On 10/13/2014 8:06 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

I absolutely love that. That would be a big print on a wall in my
house, if I had taken it. Very Eliot Porter.

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

Very nice. Pleasing in a range of ways.

Paul via phone


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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Thanks Tim - I did bump saturation a wee bit on that one. I will try 
fine tuning things when / if I make a print. Thanks for the suggestion!


Mark

On 10/13/2014 8:40 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

Very nice. I suspect you might have bumped the vibrancy or saturation
slider just a leeetle bit?  Either way, I might back off on the green
saturation just a bit.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower 
pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally 
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and 
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for 
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I 
saw.


Mark

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Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele

fortunately it wasnt -exactly- under your feet :-)

That's one of those little scenes that no one is going to believe
you didn't create by moving the leaf into just the right place..
... not that there's anything wrong with that..

ann

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Re: Disappointed by BH - Printer Cartridges with Less than 1yr until Expiration

2014-10-14 Thread Zos Xavius
Well I just got a k-3 with an off plane sensor from Adorama. No way to
return it until they reopen on Sunday. Grrr. We can share in our
disappointment! ;)

On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Igor, I have had similar problems with Amazon and ebay where I
 order 3-sets of the BW  Color Cartridges each.
 And my situation is worse than yours as I come from Bangalore, India
 (visit my kids in Canada  the US about every two years), Cartridge
 prices used to be much higher in India than the US (thanks God prices
 have come down since a year now).
 So I stash them in my Fridge (not the Freezer) after sealing them in
 air tight containers. Used even past 2 years of the expiry date I have
 not had any problems.

 Agreed a seller - like BH - should ship cartridges with at least 1
 year expiry date - but do we have such dilligent Pickers and Packers
 in large Warehouses any where??

 I worked in one of the biggest conglomerate in the world and can tell
 you we often shipped batteries  tyres past their expiry dates because
 someone in the Warehouse forgets to comply with the golden WH rule
 FIFO (first in first out). And a bad tyre can cost a life. My God!!

 I bring some medicines with me from India for my children here as they
 are half to one-tenth the price in the US. And I take care that they
 have long expiry dates, as my next visit would be in about 2 years.

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Re: PESO: Selfie with Aurora

2014-10-14 Thread Jostein Øksne
Thanks for looking/commenting, everyone.
Since the crop was already harvested from the field, I did my best to resemble 
a... uhhh... uni-corn...

Jostein 

Den 13. oktober 2014 10:04:37 CEST, skrev Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com:
Very impressive. That torch is very effective at lighting up the night
sky. You must have good batteries.

B

 On 13 Oct 2014, at 06:04, Jostein Øksne p...@alunfoto.no wrote:
 
 
 Since doing selfies is all the rage these days, I posed with Aurora
the other night.
 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/15219707752/in/photostream/lightbox/
 
 :-)
 
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Re: GESO 2014 - The Cars of All Italian Day (248-260) - GDG

2014-10-14 Thread Alan C

Cool images. I haven't seen a Lancia for a while, certainly none of the
latest models. What is that strange car below the Alfa on the right? Looks
like a track car with mudguards added!

Alan C

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Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:40 AM
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Subject: GESO 2014 - The Cars of All Italian Day (248-260) - GDG

A glorious and beautiful October day in Alameda brought out a bunch of
beautiful Italian cars and motorcycles to show.

 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk5hbase

This is one of my favorite events of the year, and not just for the cars.
Lots of good folks, having a good time, donating time and good will to raise
money for the Special Olympics kids.

Thanks for looking! Comments always appreciated.

G

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Re: Selfie with Aurora

2014-10-14 Thread Alan C


Very clever! The night sky is amazingly clear. Iv'e never seen the Aurora
but have seen Ursa Major low down on the horizon.

Alan C

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Subject: PESO: Selfie with Aurora


Since doing selfies is all the rage these days, I posed with Aurora the
other night.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/15219707752/in/photostream/lightbox/

:-)

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Darren Addy
Just a couple other thoughts about this remarkable composition...

I think that Mark is being quite modest in calling this As Found
(and of course, attempting to derail any thoughts that he might have
arranged anything). Frankly, I wouldn't care if he had: Photography is
often in seeing the possibilities and presenting things (like people
at a wedding, for example) at their best. derailAnyone who has
photographed people professionally knows that if you do it passively -
photojournalist style - you aren't going to get the best results.
Small things like the amount and direction a head is tilted, or
providing something better to do with the clasped hands (fig leafs)
that people often automatically assume when a camera is pointed at
them, these things are directorial with the goal of presenting a
better (and, counter-intuitively, often a more natural-looking
photograph).  Most still life images painted the masters was probably
not as found and I doubt that we care or give them bonus points for
never touching or adjusting anything within the composition.

Secondly, a composition on the ground, like this one, still did not
automatically create a good image. The photographer still had choices
to make. Even if one chooses to say that the directly overhead point
of view was a no-brainer there were choices that the photographer
had to make on how much of the scene to include or crop out. He also
has the choice of making it a horizontal or vertical composition (or
square, even). And he has the freedom to orient the camera in any one
of 360 degrees while pointing down. It would be an interesting
experiment to take a group of photographers and (without them seeing
the others had done) assign them to photograph this same patch of
ground. I doubt that any two of them are going to come away with the
exact same image of the scene.

Thirdly, after Tim Bray's comments I went back and looked at the image
again. I can see that the saturation might have been bumped a little
but I don't see this as a problem. It does not look unnatural to me,
although I realize that this is subjective and different photographers
may draw the line in different places. I normally look at the white
areas in an image to judge if the color cast is off in any direction
and the whites do not appear to have any sort of greenish cast to my
eyes.

In short, I really, really like everything about this image and I'm
quite glad that Mark's eyes were open to the possibility when it
presented itself.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 fortunately it wasnt -exactly- under your feet :-)

 That's one of those little scenes that no one is going to believe
 you didn't create by moving the leaf into just the right place..
 ... not that there's anything wrong with that..

 ann


 On 10/13/2014 19:20, Mark C wrote:

 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

 Mark

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PESO Reflections

2014-10-14 Thread Alan C

Indeed. Great images of classic architecture. Too good to nitpick.

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Re: GESO 2014 - The Cars of All Italian Day (248-260) - GDG

2014-10-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thanks to everyone who's looked and commented. :-)

Alan:

I'm presuming you mean this one, #255: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/15524091155/in/set-72157648709231621

That's a Ciata or Siata (… sp?) GP car outfitted for homologation racing with 
lights and fenders, etc, according to the owner. He had some literature on it 
there, I should have snapped a few photos of it. I've been trying to find 
references to it but haven't come up with anything yet. It's very tiny, very 
pretty. 

I owned and loved several Alfa Romeos, as well as a couple of FIATs, a 
Lamborghini, and a Ferrari (very briefly) over the years. But wandering the 
show every year since the early 1990s, what I'd really love if I wanted to get 
back into owning another older Italian car is one of the Lancia Fulvia coupes, 
like the gray one featured in the first three photos of the set. Not the 
performance prepped one, just the standard like the gray one. They're so trim 
and clean of line, and they're comfortable, responsive, and wonderful to drive. 
Friend of mine had one and I only got to drive it once … it made a lasting 
impression!

G

On Oct 14, 2014, at 6:04 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

 Cool images. I haven't seen a Lancia for a while, certainly none of the
 latest models. What is that strange car below the Alfa on the right? Looks
 like a track car with mudguards added!
 
 Alan C
 
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsk5hbase


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MAIL PROBLEMS

2014-10-14 Thread Alan C

Help!

Any replies to posts are being returned as Unsolicited Bulk Mail. (Only to 
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I have to strip the original mails to get the replies through.

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K-3 with off plane sensor from Adorama

2014-10-14 Thread Bipin Gupta
Sorry to hear this Zos. Such things kill the moment of joy 
enthusiasm. How sad!??
But some camera stores are known to ship returns w/o inspecting them.

Only a rather severe jolt in the box can move the sensor plane off center.

You deserve a special add on offer from Adorama with a Brand New K-3.
Please do check the shutter actuations using the website on the Pentax Forum.

Whenever I receive a package or a carton with the sides crushed as if
from a drop
or a severe gash on it, I make it a point to mention this on the
Delivery Order or
through an email.

Good Luck for a better K-3 this time.
Regards.
Bipin.
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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Ken Waller

Very nice as posted mark.

-Original Message-
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower 
pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally 
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and 
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for 
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I 
saw.

Mark

On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

 Mark



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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Ken Waller
It's quite one thing to arrange people in a wedding party and an entirely 
different thing to arrange things in nature to suit your tastes. Doing this in 
nature I'd say is dishonest IMO.

I've come across scenes in nature and photographed them 'as found' numerous 
time - its really a matter of being alert and looking for them.

That said I believe that this image was 'as found' as Mark stated and the 
colors look quite natural to me.


-Original Message-
From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com
Sent: Oct 14, 2014 9:14 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Just a couple other thoughts about this remarkable composition...

I think that Mark is being quite modest in calling this As Found
(and of course, attempting to derail any thoughts that he might have
arranged anything). Frankly, I wouldn't care if he had: Photography is
often in seeing the possibilities and presenting things (like people
at a wedding, for example) at their best. derailAnyone who has
photographed people professionally knows that if you do it passively -
photojournalist style - you aren't going to get the best results.
Small things like the amount and direction a head is tilted, or
providing something better to do with the clasped hands (fig leafs)
that people often automatically assume when a camera is pointed at
them, these things are directorial with the goal of presenting a
better (and, counter-intuitively, often a more natural-looking
photograph).  Most still life images painted the masters was probably
not as found and I doubt that we care or give them bonus points for
never touching or adjusting anything within the composition.

Secondly, a composition on the ground, like this one, still did not
automatically create a good image. The photographer still had choices
to make. Even if one chooses to say that the directly overhead point
of view was a no-brainer there were choices that the photographer
had to make on how much of the scene to include or crop out. He also
has the choice of making it a horizontal or vertical composition (or
square, even). And he has the freedom to orient the camera in any one
of 360 degrees while pointing down. It would be an interesting
experiment to take a group of photographers and (without them seeing
the others had done) assign them to photograph this same patch of
ground. I doubt that any two of them are going to come away with the
exact same image of the scene.

Thirdly, after Tim Bray's comments I went back and looked at the image
again. I can see that the saturation might have been bumped a little
but I don't see this as a problem. It does not look unnatural to me,
although I realize that this is subjective and different photographers
may draw the line in different places. I normally look at the white
areas in an image to judge if the color cast is off in any direction
and the whites do not appear to have any sort of greenish cast to my
eyes.

In short, I really, really like everything about this image and I'm
quite glad that Mark's eyes were open to the possibility when it
presented itself.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 fortunately it wasnt -exactly- under your feet :-)

 That's one of those little scenes that no one is going to believe
 you didn't create by moving the leaf into just the right place..
 ... not that there's anything wrong with that..

 ann


 On 10/13/2014 19:20, Mark C wrote:

 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

 Mark



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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps. 
I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with the 
dodge tool.
I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
Hope OK?

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower 
pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally 
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and 
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for 
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I 
saw.

Mark

On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Bob Sullivan
Darren,
After a while, you'll come to realize Mark is a master artist.
His photos inspire me and humble me.
It looks effortless, but is deceptively so.
Now I've got to get out and practice...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just a couple other thoughts about this remarkable composition...

 I think that Mark is being quite modest in calling this As Found
 (and of course, attempting to derail any thoughts that he might have
 arranged anything). Frankly, I wouldn't care if he had: Photography is
 often in seeing the possibilities and presenting things (like people
 at a wedding, for example) at their best. derailAnyone who has
 photographed people professionally knows that if you do it passively -
 photojournalist style - you aren't going to get the best results.
 Small things like the amount and direction a head is tilted, or
 providing something better to do with the clasped hands (fig leafs)
 that people often automatically assume when a camera is pointed at
 them, these things are directorial with the goal of presenting a
 better (and, counter-intuitively, often a more natural-looking
 photograph).  Most still life images painted the masters was probably
 not as found and I doubt that we care or give them bonus points for
 never touching or adjusting anything within the composition.

 Secondly, a composition on the ground, like this one, still did not
 automatically create a good image. The photographer still had choices
 to make. Even if one chooses to say that the directly overhead point
 of view was a no-brainer there were choices that the photographer
 had to make on how much of the scene to include or crop out. He also
 has the choice of making it a horizontal or vertical composition (or
 square, even). And he has the freedom to orient the camera in any one
 of 360 degrees while pointing down. It would be an interesting
 experiment to take a group of photographers and (without them seeing
 the others had done) assign them to photograph this same patch of
 ground. I doubt that any two of them are going to come away with the
 exact same image of the scene.

 Thirdly, after Tim Bray's comments I went back and looked at the image
 again. I can see that the saturation might have been bumped a little
 but I don't see this as a problem. It does not look unnatural to me,
 although I realize that this is subjective and different photographers
 may draw the line in different places. I normally look at the white
 areas in an image to judge if the color cast is off in any direction
 and the whites do not appear to have any sort of greenish cast to my
 eyes.

 In short, I really, really like everything about this image and I'm
 quite glad that Mark's eyes were open to the possibility when it
 presented itself.

 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
 fortunately it wasnt -exactly- under your feet :-)

 That's one of those little scenes that no one is going to believe
 you didn't create by moving the leaf into just the right place..
 ... not that there's anything wrong with that..

 ann


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 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

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Re: PESO: Art Appreciation

2014-10-14 Thread Don Guthrie

Great indoor street shot. Good timing of the shot.

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 Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola
danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: PESO: Art Appreciation

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17881549
K-5 IIs, DA 1:2.8 35mm Macro Limited
Commented are invited.

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Re: OT - Disappointed by BH - printer cartridges with less than 1yr until expiration

2014-10-14 Thread Mark Roberts
Igor, don't worry about it. Inkjet cartridges always last much longer
than the expiration date indicates. Usually years longer. BH can only
sell what Epson provides them and for an obsolete printer that is
often from an earlier production run.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
to me AS FOUND just means to me he didn't move anything.. except 
himself and his camera...


OTOH I don't think it would have been dishonest to photograph and show 
this if he had nudged the leaf a bit to the right or left to improve the 
composition - only _dishonest_ if he called it as found


Ken, I don't think anyone thought Mark didn't find it as shown - I hope 
my joking comments didn't contribute to you feeling you had to defend 
him :-)


But I will say that when shooting closeups of flora in the wild I don't 
think it is dishonest to remove a tiny twig, or flick away a seedling 
that has fallen onto your subject.. bend back branches of a nearby shrub
to eliminate a shadow, etc. especially when you can't adjust your 
position to capture the scene more artistically. Especially on a windy 
day, or a rainy one, where the scene changes quickly anyway.  It isn't

cheating.

And I agree with Darren vis a vis Eliot Porter - who was my inspiration 
for any nature photos I shot in the early days... I've got all the
Sierra Club paperbacks and a few hardcovers of his, including his 
wonderful black and white stuff of the southwest. Seeing his dye 
transfer prints in person at.. the MET? or MOMA? in the 70's was

a great treat.

ann

On 10/14/2014 10:10, Ken Waller wrote:

It's quite one thing to arrange people in a wedding party and an entirely 
different thing to arrange things in nature to suit your tastes. Doing this in 
nature I'd say is dishonest IMO.

I've come across scenes in nature and photographed them 'as found' numerous 
time - its really a matter of being alert and looking for them.

That said I believe that this image was 'as found' as Mark stated and the 
colors look quite natural to me.


-Original Message-

From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com
Sent: Oct 14, 2014 9:14 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Just a couple other thoughts about this remarkable composition...

I think that Mark is being quite modest in calling this As Found
(and of course, attempting to derail any thoughts that he might have
arranged anything). Frankly, I wouldn't care if he had: Photography is
often in seeing the possibilities and presenting things (like people
at a wedding, for example) at their best. derailAnyone who has
photographed people professionally knows that if you do it passively -
photojournalist style - you aren't going to get the best results.
Small things like the amount and direction a head is tilted, or
providing something better to do with the clasped hands (fig leafs)
that people often automatically assume when a camera is pointed at
them, these things are directorial with the goal of presenting a
better (and, counter-intuitively, often a more natural-looking
photograph).  Most still life images painted the masters was probably
not as found and I doubt that we care or give them bonus points for
never touching or adjusting anything within the composition.

Secondly, a composition on the ground, like this one, still did not
automatically create a good image. The photographer still had choices
to make. Even if one chooses to say that the directly overhead point
of view was a no-brainer there were choices that the photographer
had to make on how much of the scene to include or crop out. He also
has the choice of making it a horizontal or vertical composition (or
square, even). And he has the freedom to orient the camera in any one
of 360 degrees while pointing down. It would be an interesting
experiment to take a group of photographers and (without them seeing
the others had done) assign them to photograph this same patch of
ground. I doubt that any two of them are going to come away with the
exact same image of the scene.

Thirdly, after Tim Bray's comments I went back and looked at the image
again. I can see that the saturation might have been bumped a little
but I don't see this as a problem. It does not look unnatural to me,
although I realize that this is subjective and different photographers
may draw the line in different places. I normally look at the white
areas in an image to judge if the color cast is off in any direction
and the whites do not appear to have any sort of greenish cast to my
eyes.

In short, I really, really like everything about this image and I'm
quite glad that Mark's eyes were open to the possibility when it
presented itself.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

fortunately it wasnt -exactly- under your feet :-)

That's one of those little scenes that no one is going to believe
you didn't create by moving the leaf into just the right place..
... not that there's anything wrong with that..

ann


On 10/13/2014 19:20, Mark C wrote:


http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: OT - Disappointed by BH - printer cartridges with less than 1yr until expiration

2014-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Mark,

Thank you for your response. I am not worrying in the sense that
I am not going to through them away or ship them back to BH.
Yes, I know that they can work beyond the expiration date. I've used 
those even a year after the expiration date.


My concern was about expectation from such a large warehouse as BH.
I think a prudent reseller does a FIFO (as Bipin mentioned) and maintains
a fresh stock. Having had a better experience in this regard with Atlex, I 
am trying to see if I was just lucky aith Atlex (or unlucky with BH), or 
my experience is a representative indicator of both stores.


Previously I've bought cartridges that were some 3-4 before the expiration 
date, where the reseller clearly indicated that and did a slight price

markdown (most likely it was atlex.com).

Your point about the fact that with R2880 being long out of production
may have a good merit. Although I am not sure how long it has been out of 
production, as from what I can tell, exactly a year ago, in October 2013,

Epson was still selling R2880 (was it is an old stock?).

As for Epson not providing fresh enough cartridges to BH, I doubt that.
A few times I had to call Epson tech-support for troubleshooting, they
were asking me about freshness of the ink cartridges I was using.

Igor



 Mark Roberts Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:09:44 -0700 wrote:

Igor, don't worry about it. Inkjet cartridges always last much longer
than the expiration date indicates. Usually years longer. BH can only
sell what Epson provides them and for an obsolete printer that is
often from an earlier production run.


On Mon, 13 Oct 2014, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



I wanted to share my experience with the fellow-PDMLers.
Previously, I've been purchasing cartridges for my R2880 printer from
atlex.com. While that experience had a couple of hiccups, all the cartridges 
I received were very fresh, with the expiration date at least 1.5 years in 
the future.


Last week, I ordered a bunch of cartridges from BH, seeing that the combined 
order was comparable in price to that from atlex.com.


I am somewhat disappointed by the outcome: 4 of the cartridges expire in 
06/2015, which is about 8 months from now. I consider that being a bit

too short.
I buy them so that I always have a spare on hand, as on more than one 
occasion, I had a few situations (2 or 3 times) with a brand-new cartridge 
that has failed either right away or after 1-2 prints. While I don't have 
high turnaround with the cartridges, I expect them

to have at least 1 year shelf live when I am buying them.

I wonder what is the experience of other PDMLers with respect to the 
expiration date of the cartridges that they buy.



Igor



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Re: 2 PESOs for the price of one: Reflections

2014-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR



Thank you, Mark, Attila and Alan, for the kind words.

Alan, as for Too good to nitpick., - since different people have 
different views (and different taste to the wine), it is always 
interesting what might bother some other people in a particular photo,

even if it were perfect.

Mark, it is interesting to hear that to your taste, the presence of the 
people is a plus.
Your comment about 3D feel is interesting. I hadn't thought about it 
that way before. I suspect it is the S-like shape of the building in #2 
that contributes to that, as opposed to a more flat (or actually just one 
wide angle (or arch)) in #1. Also, the large distance to the building in 
#1 flattens it out.


Again, thanks to all!


Igor


 Mark C Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:20:12 -0700 wrote:

The formal and rather symetrical architecture of the building really 
compliments the nearly perfect symmetry of the building and its reflection 
- with the people breaking things up just enough to make the photos feel 
alive. Great! Both are very good but #2 seems more 3d to me for some 
reason.





On Sun, 12 Oct 2014, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




I've mentioned a few times that I love reflections (especially in photos).
I know that a few PDMLers also like them...
So, here are a couple of photos from Dresden Zwinger Palace:

http://42graphy.org/galleries/2014-05-03-reflections/

All comments are welcome!

Igor




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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Ann. I have learned form experience that any attempt by me to 
improve a scene like this usually results in it being ruined!


Mark

On 10/14/2014 8:41 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

fortunately it wasnt -exactly- under your feet :-)

That's one of those little scenes that no one is going to believe
you didn't create by moving the leaf into just the right place..
... not that there's anything wrong with that..

ann

On 10/13/2014 19:20, Mark C wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Darren - I appreciate your critique. In thinking about it - the 
thing that was special Sunday afternoon was that the grass was just long 
enough to hold the freshly fallen leaves aloft a bit, and the slightly 
overcast sunlight (filtering through partially bare trees) was bright 
enough to make the leaves pop a little but not too contrasty or harsh. I 
took a lot of shots of leaves that day but the mushrooms, which I only 
saw in this one spot, were what drew me to this. That said, there was a 
bit of rotating and cropping and tonal adjustments of the image once I 
got home - which is just part of the photographic process.


Thanks again!

Mark

On 10/14/2014 9:14 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Just a couple other thoughts about this remarkable composition...

I think that Mark is being quite modest in calling this As Found
(and of course, attempting to derail any thoughts that he might have
arranged anything). Frankly, I wouldn't care if he had: Photography is
often in seeing the possibilities and presenting things (like people
at a wedding, for example) at their best. derailAnyone who has
photographed people professionally knows that if you do it passively -
photojournalist style - you aren't going to get the best results.
Small things like the amount and direction a head is tilted, or
providing something better to do with the clasped hands (fig leafs)
that people often automatically assume when a camera is pointed at
them, these things are directorial with the goal of presenting a
better (and, counter-intuitively, often a more natural-looking
photograph).  Most still life images painted the masters was probably
not as found and I doubt that we care or give them bonus points for
never touching or adjusting anything within the composition.

Secondly, a composition on the ground, like this one, still did not
automatically create a good image. The photographer still had choices
to make. Even if one chooses to say that the directly overhead point
of view was a no-brainer there were choices that the photographer
had to make on how much of the scene to include or crop out. He also
has the choice of making it a horizontal or vertical composition (or
square, even). And he has the freedom to orient the camera in any one
of 360 degrees while pointing down. It would be an interesting
experiment to take a group of photographers and (without them seeing
the others had done) assign them to photograph this same patch of
ground. I doubt that any two of them are going to come away with the
exact same image of the scene.

Thirdly, after Tim Bray's comments I went back and looked at the image
again. I can see that the saturation might have been bumped a little
but I don't see this as a problem. It does not look unnatural to me,
although I realize that this is subjective and different photographers
may draw the line in different places. I normally look at the white
areas in an image to judge if the color cast is off in any direction
and the whites do not appear to have any sort of greenish cast to my
eyes.

In short, I really, really like everything about this image and I'm
quite glad that Mark's eyes were open to the possibility when it
presented itself.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

fortunately it wasnt -exactly- under your feet :-)

That's one of those little scenes that no one is going to believe
you didn't create by moving the leaf into just the right place..
... not that there's anything wrong with that..

ann


On 10/13/2014 19:20, Mark C wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Ken - I would assume that many of your images - wildflowers, 
reeds in still water, etc - as found images as well. I called it as 
found because it sounds better than leaf and mushrooms...


Mark

On 10/14/2014 10:10 AM, Ken Waller wrote:

It's quite one thing to arrange people in a wedding party and an entirely 
different thing to arrange things in nature to suit your tastes. Doing this in 
nature I'd say is dishonest IMO.

I've come across scenes in nature and photographed them 'as found' numerous 
time - its really a matter of being alert and looking for them.

That said I believe that this image was 'as found' as Mark stated and the 
colors look quite natural to me.






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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Thanks, Bob - I don't feel much like a master of anything but your 
remark inspires me to keep getting out and doing more. Much appreciated!


Mark

On 10/14/2014 10:34 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

Darren,
After a while, you'll come to realize Mark is a master artist.
His photos inspire me and humble me.
It looks effortless, but is deceptively so.
Now I've got to get out and practice...
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

Just a couple other thoughts about this remarkable composition...

I think that Mark is being quite modest in calling this As Found
(and of course, attempting to derail any thoughts that he might have
arranged anything). Frankly, I wouldn't care if he had: Photography is
often in seeing the possibilities and presenting things (like people
at a wedding, for example) at their best. derailAnyone who has
photographed people professionally knows that if you do it passively -
photojournalist style - you aren't going to get the best results.
Small things like the amount and direction a head is tilted, or
providing something better to do with the clasped hands (fig leafs)
that people often automatically assume when a camera is pointed at
them, these things are directorial with the goal of presenting a
better (and, counter-intuitively, often a more natural-looking
photograph).  Most still life images painted the masters was probably
not as found and I doubt that we care or give them bonus points for
never touching or adjusting anything within the composition.

Secondly, a composition on the ground, like this one, still did not
automatically create a good image. The photographer still had choices
to make. Even if one chooses to say that the directly overhead point
of view was a no-brainer there were choices that the photographer
had to make on how much of the scene to include or crop out. He also
has the choice of making it a horizontal or vertical composition (or
square, even). And he has the freedom to orient the camera in any one
of 360 degrees while pointing down. It would be an interesting
experiment to take a group of photographers and (without them seeing
the others had done) assign them to photograph this same patch of
ground. I doubt that any two of them are going to come away with the
exact same image of the scene.

Thirdly, after Tim Bray's comments I went back and looked at the image
again. I can see that the saturation might have been bumped a little
but I don't see this as a problem. It does not look unnatural to me,
although I realize that this is subjective and different photographers
may draw the line in different places. I normally look at the white
areas in an image to judge if the color cast is off in any direction
and the whites do not appear to have any sort of greenish cast to my
eyes.

In short, I really, really like everything about this image and I'm
quite glad that Mark's eyes were open to the possibility when it
presented itself.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

fortunately it wasnt -exactly- under your feet :-)

That's one of those little scenes that no one is going to believe
you didn't create by moving the leaf into just the right place..
... not that there's anything wrong with that..

ann


On 10/13/2014 19:20, Mark C wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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OT: If I ever present a post-processed PESO that looks like this....

2014-10-14 Thread Darren Addy
... please, someone just shoot me.

http://petapixel.com/2014/10/14/comprehensive-tutorial-post-process-almost-aspect-single-exposure-landscape-shot/#more-148068

I call this the Thomas Kinkade School of Photographic
Post-Processing. I tend to believe that at least one or two of the
colors in the image should be found in actual scene seen.
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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my calibrated 
monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness and depth of the 
color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps. 
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with the 
 dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?
 
 Jack
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower 
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally 
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and 
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for 
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I 
 saw.
 
 Mark
 
 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.
 
 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
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 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found
 
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Re: Which version works best?

2014-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Larry,

I would consider two version of 73 (with the color adjusted):
1. the square crop as you have in 73-4, and
2. the cut that is just a bit wider than 73-2. I am not sure
if it would be just to the left, through the middle or just on the right
edge of the 3rd whole in the wheel (so that it is similar to the RHS of 
78, or a bit narrower).


Igor


Sun Oct 12 18:05:10 EDT 2014
Larry Colen wrote:


Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Larry,

I also prefer 73 for the same reason.
As somebody mentioned, - I'd reduce the read on it to may the skin
tone like that in 78.

Ideally, I'd also have just a bit more on the RHS, similar to what you
have in 78.
Think if you can make a composite of the two images, adding a bit more
of the wheel on the right. ;-)


Even better, it turns out that 73 was shot a lot looser than 78.

I've tried a few different crops and ways of post processing,
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157648642682976

I also copied the color balance from 78 over to 73.



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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Alan C

Well spotted, Mark. Could be entitled One last Fling

Alan C

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Peso, Brooke in Gilmour

2014-10-14 Thread David J Brooks
We normally went to my friends camp in Madawaska for our thanksgiving
weekend, but now they have a cottage, south of Bancroft, and we are
doing the weekend there.
One his daughter and son in law have a 1 year old named Brooks. Good
kid, and i thought i should start practicing baby portrait for when
our grand kid arrives.

This is one of several i like.

Did a square crop.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882673

K-5 Sigma 17-70 and af 360 for a bit of fill

Dave

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Re: Peso, Brooke in Gilmour

2014-10-14 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 14/10/14, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:

We normally went to my friends camp in Madawaska for our thanksgiving
weekend, but now they have a cottage, south of Bancroft, and we are
doing the weekend there.
One his daughter and son in law have a 1 year old named Brooks. Good
kid, and i thought i should start practicing baby portrait for when
our grand kid arrives.

This is one of several i like.

Did a square crop.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882673

Like I said on FB this could be your new calling! That's a superb shot!

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Re: PESO: Art Appreciation

2014-10-14 Thread Attila Boros
Interesting moment, she seems immersed in listening to music.

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 K-5 IIs, DA 1:2.8 35mm Macro Limited
 Commented are invited.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Attila Boros
Very pleasant image, love the position of the leaf!

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a direct 
rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
This habit has become very predictable.

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my calibrated 
monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness and depth of the 
color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps. 
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with the 
 dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?
 
 Jack
 
 
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 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower 
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally 
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and 
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for 
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I 
 saw.
 
 Mark
 
 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.
 
 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found
 
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Re: Peso, Brooke in Gilmour

2014-10-14 Thread Bob Sullivan
Excellent and not even your offspring!
Taken at eye level with the kid filling the frame.
Good work Dave!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 We normally went to my friends camp in Madawaska for our thanksgiving
 weekend, but now they have a cottage, south of Bancroft, and we are
 doing the weekend there.
 One his daughter and son in law have a 1 year old named Brooks. Good
 kid, and i thought i should start practicing baby portrait for when
 our grand kid arrives.

 This is one of several i like.

 Did a square crop.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882673

 K-5 Sigma 17-70 and af 360 for a bit of fill

 Dave

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OT PESO: Black Eagle Passage

2014-10-14 Thread Attila Boros
Passage of the Black Eagle Palace in Oradea, Romania. Please press H
to view on black. OT because of Sony RX100 II pocketcam.

https://500px.com/photo/86405669/black-eagle-passage-by-attila-boros

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, Jack, 
and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather a point 
of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, don’t 
critique. 

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a direct 
 rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
 This habit has become very predictable.
 
 Jack
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
 calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness and 
 depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.
 
 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps. 
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with 
 the dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?
 
 Jack
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower 
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally 
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and 
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for 
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I 
 saw.
 
 Mark
 
 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.
 
 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found
 
 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.
 
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Re: OT: If I ever present a post-processed PESO that looks like this....

2014-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
I don’t hate this type of image. It’s surreal, but I think there’s a place for 
that. 
On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 ... please, someone just shoot me.
 
 http://petapixel.com/2014/10/14/comprehensive-tutorial-post-process-almost-aspect-single-exposure-landscape-shot/#more-148068
 
 I call this the Thomas Kinkade School of Photographic
 Post-Processing. I tend to believe that at least one or two of the
 colors in the image should be found in actual scene seen.
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Re: PESO: Art Appreciation

2014-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
Interesting image. Well exposed and rendered. I might have cropped out the 
person on the right, both to eliminate what might be seen as a distracting 
element and to take the subject off center. But I like the as presented version 
as well.


Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting moment, she seems immersed in listening to music.
 
 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17881549
 K-5 IIs, DA 1:2.8 35mm Macro Limited
 Commented are invited.
 
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Re: Peso, Brooke in Gilmour

2014-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yep, excellent job of getting down to capture a wonderful moment. I’m sometimes 
too lazy to go to the ground, but it’s key with kid photography.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Excellent and not even your offspring!
 Taken at eye level with the kid filling the frame.
 Good work Dave!
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 We normally went to my friends camp in Madawaska for our thanksgiving
 weekend, but now they have a cottage, south of Bancroft, and we are
 doing the weekend there.
 One his daughter and son in law have a 1 year old named Brooks. Good
 kid, and i thought i should start practicing baby portrait for when
 our grand kid arrives.
 
 This is one of several i like.
 
 Did a square crop.
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882673
 
 K-5 Sigma 17-70 and af 360 for a bit of fill
 
 Dave
 
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 http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/
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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me you 
disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the photographer. 
It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
No further comments!

Jack

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To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, Jack, 
and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather a point 
of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, don’t 
critique. 

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a direct 
 rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
 This habit has become very predictable.
 
 Jack
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
 calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness and 
 depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.
 
 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps. 
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with 
 the dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?
 
 Jack
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower 
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally 
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and 
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for 
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I 
 saw.
 
 Mark
 
 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.
 
 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found
 
 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.
 
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Re: OT PESO: Black Eagle Passage

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nicely done, Attila;  that is a very pleasing image, with nice light
and great detail.

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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 Passage of the Black Eagle Palace in Oradea, Romania. Please press H
 to view on black. OT because of Sony RX100 II pocketcam.

 https://500px.com/photo/86405669/black-eagle-passage-by-attila-boros

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the photographer.

That comment troubles me, Jack.  We should all feel free to comment on
any post her.  If you comments are for review and response by the
photographer only, why don't you send your comments directly to him or
her off-line, rather than posting them to the list.  Posts to the list
by definition invite responses from anyone else on the list, in my
view.


Dan Matyola
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Photo puzzler

2014-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR



A photo puzzler.
Guess who this is:
http://42graphy.org/misc/puzzle1/_IR00178.jpg

Send you answer on the back of a $20 bill... or K-3 ;-)
... or just respond to the list. :-)

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
I feel defeated? Very bizarre, Jack. I have nothing at stake here, other than 
honest appraisal. I was telling the world I disagree, not just you. The image 
is correctly rendered as presented, IMO. But it’s not important. I have far 
more critical things to worry about. I feel defeated by cancer and medical 
bills, but certainly not by your opinion of a photograph.

No more of this for me. Don’t have much time to play these days but thought I’d 
take a brief break from lurking and working and comment on a few images. Sorry 
if that offends you.

Paul


On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me you 
 disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the 
 photographer. 
 It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
 No further comments!
 
 Jack
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, Jack, 
 and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather a point 
 of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, don’t 
 critique. 
 
 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a direct 
 rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
 This habit has become very predictable.
 
 Jack
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
 calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness 
 and depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.
 
 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps. 
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with 
 the dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?
 
 Jack
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower 
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally 
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and 
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for 
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I 
 saw.
 
 Mark
 
 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.
 
 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found
 
 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.
 
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Re: OT PESO: Black Eagle Passage

2014-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


I agree with Dan.
Nice image, and indeed, it looks best on black.

Igor


 Daniel J. Matyola Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:27:43 -0700 wrote:

Nicely done, Attila;  that is a very pleasing image, with nice light
and great detail.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Passage of the Black Eagle Palace in Oradea, Romania. Please press H
to view on black. OT because of Sony RX100 II pocketcam.

https://500px.com/photo/86405669/black-eagle-passage-by-attila-boros



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Re: Photo puzzler

2014-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
A deer?
On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:

 
 
 A photo puzzler.
 Guess who this is:
 http://42graphy.org/misc/puzzle1/_IR00178.jpg
 
 Send you answer on the back of a $20 bill... or K-3 ;-)
 ... or just respond to the list. :-)
 
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Re: OT: If I ever present a post-processed PESO that looks like this....

2014-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


I am with Paul on this.

Igor


 Paul Stenquist Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:56:36 -0700 wrote:

I don't hate this type of image. It.s surreal, but I think there's a place 
for that.

On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:



... please, someone just shoot me.

http://petapixel.com/2014/10/14/comprehensive-tutorial-post-process-almost-aspect-single-exposure-landscape-shot/#more-148068

I call this the Thomas Kinkade School of Photographic
Post-Processing. I tend to believe that at least one or two of the
colors in the image should be found in actual scene seen.
/rant


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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Charles Robinson
FWIW I see plenty of detail on the caps on my monitor as well (calibrated 
Macbook Pro).  

I think it's good for the photographer to get feedback about possible issues 
with the image (esp. if it's a problem that will result in many/most viewers 
not seeing what the photographer intended to present) but it's also just as 
important, if one person states that there is an issue with an image, for 
others to let the photographer note that they don't see the same problems.   
Failure to chime in on something like this leaves the photographer and the 
original reviewer unaware of where the problem lies.


On Oct 14, 2014, at 14:32 , Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 I feel defeated? Very bizarre, Jack. I have nothing at stake here, other than 
 honest appraisal. I was telling the world I disagree, not just you. The image 
 is correctly rendered as presented, IMO. But it’s not important. I have far 
 more critical things to worry about. I feel defeated by cancer and medical 
 bills, but certainly not by your opinion of a photograph.
 
 No more of this for me. Don’t have much time to play these days but thought 
 I’d take a brief break from lurking and working and comment on a few images. 
 Sorry if that offends you.
 
 Paul
 
 
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me you 
 disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the 
 photographer. 
 It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
 No further comments!
 
 Jack
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, Jack, 
 and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather a 
 point of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, 
 don’t critique. 
 
 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a 
 direct rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
 This habit has become very predictable.
 
 Jack
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
 calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness 
 and depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.
 
 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps. 
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with 
 the dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?
 
 Jack
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found
 
 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower 
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally 
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and 
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for 
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I 
 saw.
 
 Mark
 
 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.
 
 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found
 
 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.
 
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Re: Photo puzzler

2014-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


That, probably, would've been too simple... ;-)


 Paul Stenquist Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:36:07 -0700 wrote:

A deer?
On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:28 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:





A photo puzzler.
Guess who this is:
http://42graphy.org/misc/puzzle1/_IR00178.jpg

Send you answer on the back of a $20 bill... or K-3 ;-)
... or just respond to the list. :-)

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele


Boys! stop it now!

Jack - it is about the variance across monitors... and useful 
information for all of us viewing each others images on line..


E.g. if 3 or 4 people said they couldn't see the detail in something in 
a particular image and are using different equipment, then that info

would be useful for the photographer to adjust someway.

If you are the person who doesnt see the detail, having mothers chime in
that they see it is good info for you to perhaps get your monitor 
calibrated or change the brightness, or look at it at a different angle, 
etc.


From the two views of yours, on my monitor it falls between the two -
I don't see a lot of detail on the center of the fungus on mine

One also can seeslight variances in this sort of thing across different
browsers on the same computer.

ann


On 10/14/2014 15:12, Jack Davis wrote:

The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me you 
disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the photographer.
It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
No further comments!

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, Jack, 
and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather a point 
of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, don’t 
critique.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a direct 
rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
This habit has become very predictable.

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my calibrated 
monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness and depth of the 
color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with the 
dodge tool.
I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
Hope OK?

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
saw.

Mark

On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

Mark

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
You said in one paragraph that I spent more on :-)  Three cheers for 
being succinct - which is not in my nature


ann

On 10/14/2014 15:40, Charles Robinson wrote:

FWIW I see plenty of detail on the caps on my monitor as well (calibrated 
Macbook Pro).

I think it's good for the photographer to get feedback about possible issues with the image (esp. if it's a 
problem that will result in many/most viewers not seeing what the photographer intended to present) but it's 
also just as important, if one person states that there is an issue with an image, for others to 
let the photographer note that they don't see the same problems.   Failure to chime in on 
something like this leaves the photographer and the original reviewer unaware of where the 
problem lies.


On Oct 14, 2014, at 14:32 , Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:


I feel defeated? Very bizarre, Jack. I have nothing at stake here, other than 
honest appraisal. I was telling the world I disagree, not just you. The image 
is correctly rendered as presented, IMO. But it’s not important. I have far 
more critical things to worry about. I feel defeated by cancer and medical 
bills, but certainly not by your opinion of a photograph.

No more of this for me. Don’t have much time to play these days but thought I’d 
take a brief break from lurking and working and comment on a few images. Sorry 
if that offends you.

Paul


On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me you 
disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the photographer.
It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
No further comments!

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, Jack, 
and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather a point 
of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, don’t 
critique.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a direct 
rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
This habit has become very predictable.

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my calibrated 
monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness and depth of the 
color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with the 
dodge tool.
I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
Hope OK?

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
saw.

Mark

On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

Mark

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread J C OConnell
Its not only monitors, its connections.  I recently switched computers 
and switched from a 15pin vGA analog connection to my monitor
to a digital HDMI connection on my monitor and it was like all my lenses 
got sharper. It really matters.

On 10/14/2014 3:57 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


Boys! stop it now!

Jack - it is about the variance across monitors... and useful 
information for all of us viewing each others images on line..


E.g. if 3 or 4 people said they couldn't see the detail in something 
in a particular image and are using different equipment, then that info

would be useful for the photographer to adjust someway.

If you are the person who doesnt see the detail, having mothers chime in
that they see it is good info for you to perhaps get your monitor 
calibrated or change the brightness, or look at it at a different 
angle, etc.


From the two views of yours, on my monitor it falls between the two -
I don't see a lot of detail on the center of the fungus on mine

One also can seeslight variances in this sort of thing across different
browsers on the same computer.

ann


On 10/14/2014 15:12, Jack Davis wrote:
The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me 
you disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the 
photographer.

It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
No further comments!

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the 
image, Jack, and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your 
review, but rather a point of information. If you don’t want others 
to join the conversation, don’t critique.


Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as 
a direct rebuttal to my comments for Mark.

This habit has become very predictable.

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The 
richness and depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.


Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this 
image.

It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light 
bumps with the dodge tool.

I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
Hope OK?

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling 
flower

pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best 
arrangement I

saw.

Mark

On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net 
wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

Mark

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Re: OT PESO: Black Eagle Passage

2014-10-14 Thread Attila Boros
Thanks, Dan and Igor.


On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:

 I agree with Dan.
 Nice image, and indeed, it looks best on black.

 Igor


  Daniel J. Matyola Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:27:43 -0700 wrote:

 Nicely done, Attila;  that is a very pleasing image, with nice light
 and great detail.


 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Passage of the Black Eagle Palace in Oradea, Romania. Please press H
 to view on black. OT because of Sony RX100 II pocketcam.

 https://500px.com/photo/86405669/black-eagle-passage-by-attila-boros


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Re: OT: If I ever present a post-processed PESO that looks like this....

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I also agree.  It's not MY style, but I don't really hated it.

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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:

 I am with Paul on this.

 Igor


  Paul Stenquist Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:56:36 -0700 wrote:

 I don't hate this type of image. It.s surreal, but I think there's a place
 for that.
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:


 ... please, someone just shoot me.


 http://petapixel.com/2014/10/14/comprehensive-tutorial-post-process-almost-aspect-single-exposure-landscape-shot/#more-148068

 I call this the Thomas Kinkade School of Photographic
 Post-Processing. I tend to believe that at least one or two of the
 colors in the image should be found in actual scene seen.
 /rant


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Re: PESO: Art Appreciation

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Attila and Paul.

Paul, I left the other person in because her expression was
contrasting to that of the main subject, and because I wanted to
include the bust nest to her, to show that the main subject was
surrounded by Rodin pieces.  Your comment about the image being too
centered has merit, however, and I will crop it to change that, at
least to some degree.

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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Interesting image. Well exposed and rendered. I might have cropped out the 
 person on the right, both to eliminate what might be seen as a distracting 
 element and to take the subject off center. But I like the as presented 
 version as well.


 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting moment, she seems immersed in listening to music.

 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17881549
 K-5 IIs, DA 1:2.8 35mm Macro Limited
 Commented are invited.

 Dan Matyola
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Re: Peso, Brooke in Gilmour

2014-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR



Dave,

As several people said, the strength of this shot (as is of most 
portraits) is to shoot from (or below) the eye level.


I noticed one thing:
It might be an artifact of the downsizing/JPEG, but it looks like the 
focus is just a bit in front of the face (see the front of the jacket).


Also, sorry for being pedantic, - you wrote his name as Brooks, but the 
caption says Brooke.
I suspect you may have made a typo in one of the places, probably in the 
e-mail (being used to type your own last name..).


Cheers,

Igor



 Paul Stenquist Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:02:44 -0700 wrote:

Yep, excellent job of getting down to capture a wonderful moment. I.m 
sometimes

too lazy to go to the ground, but it's key with kid photography.


Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:


Excellent and not even your offspring!
Taken at eye level with the kid filling the frame.
Good work Dave!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:11 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

We normally went to my friends camp in Madawaska for our thanksgiving
weekend, but now they have a cottage, south of Bancroft, and we are
doing the weekend there.
One his daughter and son in law have a 1 year old named Brooks. Good
kid, and i thought i should start practicing baby portrait for when
our grand kid arrives.

This is one of several i like.

Did a square crop.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882673

K-5 Sigma 17-70 and af 360 for a bit of fill

Dave


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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
Of course, It's all too absolute to allow for possible differences. That 
allowance should always be identified.
Thanks for commenting, ann.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:57:38 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found


Boys! stop it now!

Jack - it is about the variance across monitors... and useful 
information for all of us viewing each others images on line..

E.g. if 3 or 4 people said they couldn't see the detail in something in 
a particular image and are using different equipment, then that info
would be useful for the photographer to adjust someway.

If you are the person who doesnt see the detail, having mothers chime in
that they see it is good info for you to perhaps get your monitor 
calibrated or change the brightness, or look at it at a different angle, 
etc.

 From the two views of yours, on my monitor it falls between the two -
I don't see a lot of detail on the center of the fungus on mine

One also can seeslight variances in this sort of thing across different
browsers on the same computer.

ann


On 10/14/2014 15:12, Jack Davis wrote:
 The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me you 
 disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the photographer.
 It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
 No further comments!

 Jack

 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, Jack, 
 and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather a point 
 of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, don’t 
 critique.

 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a direct 
 rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
 This habit has become very predictable.

 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
 calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness 
 and depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with 
 the dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?

 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
 saw.

 Mark

 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: OT: PESO: Fireflite

2014-10-14 Thread P.J. Alling

That's much more like real life.

On 10/12/2014 8:18 PM, Bill wrote:

On 11/10/2014 12:30 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
Over sharpness may be an influence of the sharp dark color v chrome. 
Added to, perhaps, by the whitewall tires.(??)



http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/pictures/besotto.html




I invite you to have a second look. I turned the sharpness down 
significantly, and lightened up a little. The whole thing was a little 
Gothic.


Thanks

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Re: OT: If I ever present a post-processed PESO that looks like this....

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Yikes!

Request noted :-)

ann

On 10/14/2014 13:30, Darren Addy wrote:

... please, someone just shoot me.

http://petapixel.com/2014/10/14/comprehensive-tutorial-post-process-almost-aspect-single-exposure-landscape-shot/#more-148068

I call this the Thomas Kinkade School of Photographic
Post-Processing. I tend to believe that at least one or two of the
colors in the image should be found in actual scene seen.
/rant



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Rain day abstract

2014-10-14 Thread Christine Aguila
Little experiment on the way to work today. 

http://www.caguila.com/raindayab/index.html

Comments welcome.
Cheers, Christine 


Sent from my iPad

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
Feedback to the photographer is always appropriate and something we all hope 
for.

Jack 

- Original Message -
From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:02:02 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

You said in one paragraph that I spent more on :-)  Three cheers for 
being succinct - which is not in my nature

ann

On 10/14/2014 15:40, Charles Robinson wrote:
 FWIW I see plenty of detail on the caps on my monitor as well (calibrated 
 Macbook Pro).

 I think it's good for the photographer to get feedback about possible issues 
 with the image (esp. if it's a problem that will result in many/most viewers 
 not seeing what the photographer intended to present) but it's also just as 
 important, if one person states that there is an issue with an image, for 
 others to let the photographer note that they don't see the same problems.   
 Failure to chime in on something like this leaves the photographer and the 
 original reviewer unaware of where the problem lies.


 On Oct 14, 2014, at 14:32 , Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 I feel defeated? Very bizarre, Jack. I have nothing at stake here, other 
 than honest appraisal. I was telling the world I disagree, not just you. The 
 image is correctly rendered as presented, IMO. But it’s not important. I 
 have far more critical things to worry about. I feel defeated by cancer and 
 medical bills, but certainly not by your opinion of a photograph.

 No more of this for me. Don’t have much time to play these days but thought 
 I’d take a brief break from lurking and working and comment on a few images. 
 Sorry if that offends you.

 Paul


 On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me you 
 disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the 
 photographer.
 It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
 No further comments!

 Jack

 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, 
 Jack, and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather 
 a point of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, 
 don’t critique.

 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a 
 direct rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
 This habit has become very predictable.

 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
 calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness 
 and depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with 
 the dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?

 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
 saw.

 Mark

 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Your welcome, Jack...

and by the way, I meant having OTHERS chime in not having MOTHERS 
chime in although some chimers might be such.


ann the brooksian typist

On 10/14/2014 17:06, Jack Davis wrote:

Of course, It's all too absolute to allow for possible differences. That 
allowance should always be identified.
Thanks for commenting, ann.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:57:38 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found


Boys! stop it now!

Jack - it is about the variance across monitors... and useful
information for all of us viewing each others images on line..

E.g. if 3 or 4 people said they couldn't see the detail in something in
a particular image and are using different equipment, then that info
would be useful for the photographer to adjust someway.

If you are the person who doesnt see the detail, having mothers chime in
that they see it is good info for you to perhaps get your monitor
calibrated or change the brightness, or look at it at a different angle,
etc.

  From the two views of yours, on my monitor it falls between the two -
I don't see a lot of detail on the center of the fungus on mine

One also can seeslight variances in this sort of thing across different
browsers on the same computer.

ann


On 10/14/2014 15:12, Jack Davis wrote:

The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me you 
disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the photographer.
It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
No further comments!

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, Jack, 
and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather a point 
of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, don’t 
critique.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a direct 
rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
This habit has become very predictable.

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my calibrated 
monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness and depth of the 
color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with the 
dodge tool.
I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
Hope OK?

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
saw.

Mark

On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

Mark

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
Very well said, J C.

Jack

- Original Message -
From: J C OConnell hifis...@gate.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:05:11 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Its not only monitors, its connections.  I recently switched computers 
and switched from a 15pin vGA analog connection to my monitor
to a digital HDMI connection on my monitor and it was like all my lenses 
got sharper. It really matters.
On 10/14/2014 3:57 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Boys! stop it now!

 Jack - it is about the variance across monitors... and useful 
 information for all of us viewing each others images on line..

 E.g. if 3 or 4 people said they couldn't see the detail in something 
 in a particular image and are using different equipment, then that info
 would be useful for the photographer to adjust someway.

 If you are the person who doesnt see the detail, having mothers chime in
 that they see it is good info for you to perhaps get your monitor 
 calibrated or change the brightness, or look at it at a different 
 angle, etc.

 From the two views of yours, on my monitor it falls between the two -
 I don't see a lot of detail on the center of the fungus on mine

 One also can seeslight variances in this sort of thing across different
 browsers on the same computer.

 ann


 On 10/14/2014 15:12, Jack Davis wrote:
 The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me 
 you disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the 
 photographer.
 It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
 No further comments!

 Jack

 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the 
 image, Jack, and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your 
 review, but rather a point of information. If you don’t want others 
 to join the conversation, don’t critique.

 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as 
 a direct rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
 This habit has become very predictable.

 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
 calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The 
 richness and depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this 
 image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light 
 bumps with the dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?

 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling 
 flower
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best 
 arrangement I
 saw.

 Mark

 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net 
 wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Thanks Jack. I do see detail in the mushroom caps on my monitors, but I 
have two and to be honest I can never get them to quite match. One is 
very susceptible to angle of view changes.  I also see huge differences 
between color managed programs and those that are not. I will probably 
print this image and will fine tune the color balance then.


I have been reading Ctien's post exposure - one of the free photo ebooks 
that Darren posted about a while back - and he describes making step 
tablets to carefully map out the different tonal ranges of different 
types of photo paper - I had to chuckle thinking of how so many images 
made now will never be seen except on screens, and how ultimately the 
photographer has no really control over how the image winds up being 
presented.


Mark


On 10/14/2014 10:34 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with the 
dodge tool.
I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
Hope OK?

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
saw.

Mark

On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C

Thanks, Paul.

On 10/14/2014 1:49 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my calibrated 
monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness and depth of the 
color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with the 
dodge tool.
I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
Hope OK?

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
saw.

Mark

On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: Rain day abstract

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I like both of 'em  - good timing on #2 especially
I hope Darrel was driving!

ann

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Little experiment on the way to work today.

http://www.caguila.com/raindayab/index.html

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
OK, ann. I'll run tell my wife that she may NOT chime in. 

Jack 

- Original Message -
From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:16:35 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Your welcome, Jack...

and by the way, I meant having OTHERS chime in not having MOTHERS 
chime in although some chimers might be such.

ann the brooksian typist

On 10/14/2014 17:06, Jack Davis wrote:
 Of course, It's all too absolute to allow for possible differences. That 
 allowance should always be identified.
 Thanks for commenting, ann.

 Jack

 - Original Message -
 From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:57:38 PM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found


 Boys! stop it now!

 Jack - it is about the variance across monitors... and useful
 information for all of us viewing each others images on line..

 E.g. if 3 or 4 people said they couldn't see the detail in something in
 a particular image and are using different equipment, then that info
 would be useful for the photographer to adjust someway.

 If you are the person who doesnt see the detail, having mothers chime in
 that they see it is good info for you to perhaps get your monitor
 calibrated or change the brightness, or look at it at a different angle,
 etc.

   From the two views of yours, on my monitor it falls between the two -
 I don't see a lot of detail on the center of the fungus on mine

 One also can seeslight variances in this sort of thing across different
 browsers on the same computer.

 ann


 On 10/14/2014 15:12, Jack Davis wrote:
 The image wasn't yours and I don't understand your need to tell me you 
 disagree. When I critique, I always hope for a reaction from the 
 photographer.
 It's as though you feel defeated and are attempting to salve your ego.
 No further comments!

 Jack

 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:53:04 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 I merely wanted to point out that I see plenty of detail in the image, Jack, 
 and I trust my monitor. It wasn't a review of your review, but rather a 
 point of information. If you don’t want others to join the conversation, 
 don’t critique.

 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 Just read your review of my review, Paul. You need not post such as a 
 direct rebuttal to my comments for Mark.
 This habit has become very predictable.

 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:49:00 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
 calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness 
 and depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.

 Paul
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with 
 the dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?

 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
 saw.

 Mark

 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
Points recognized with my total agreement. I recognize that my monitor is not 
the single exception.

Jack

 

- Original Message -
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:18:40 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Jack. I do see detail in the mushroom caps on my monitors, but I 
have two and to be honest I can never get them to quite match. One is 
very susceptible to angle of view changes.  I also see huge differences 
between color managed programs and those that are not. I will probably 
print this image and will fine tune the color balance then.

I have been reading Ctien's post exposure - one of the free photo ebooks 
that Darren posted about a while back - and he describes making step 
tablets to carefully map out the different tonal ranges of different 
types of photo paper - I had to chuckle thinking of how so many images 
made now will never be seen except on screens, and how ultimately the 
photographer has no really control over how the image winds up being 
presented.

Mark


On 10/14/2014 10:34 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
 HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
 It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
 I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
 My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
 I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with the 
 dodge tool.
 I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
 Hope OK?

 Jack


 - Original Message -
 From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
 To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
 Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

 Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
 pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
 looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
 mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
 this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
 saw.

 Mark

 On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

 Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
 and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

 You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

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Re: Rain day abstract

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
I especially like the one partially wiper cleared.
Beautifully rendered, Christine.

Jack

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From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:19:39 PM
Subject: Re: Rain day abstract

I like both of 'em  - good timing on #2 especially
I hope Darrel was driving!

ann

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 Little experiment on the way to work today.

 http://www.caguila.com/raindayab/index.html

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Re: OT PESO: Black Eagle Passage

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Excellent image of an interesting building - aside from the stained 
glass window, the curved hallway with glass ceiling looks very elegant.


Mark

On 10/14/2014 2:49 PM, Attila Boros wrote:

Passage of the Black Eagle Palace in Oradea, Romania. Please press H
to view on black. OT because of Sony RX100 II pocketcam.

https://500px.com/photo/86405669/black-eagle-passage-by-attila-boros




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Re: Photo puzzler

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Hmmm - the pupil seems to be about 50% contracted and it is round, so 
that rules out a lot of hoofed animals (horizonal shaped pupils) and 
felines... not a bird due to the apparent fur...  I'd guess a dog... or 
a primate???




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A photo puzzler.
Guess who this is:
http://42graphy.org/misc/puzzle1/_IR00178.jpg

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Re: OT PESO: Black Eagle Passage

2014-10-14 Thread Attila Boros
Thanks, Mark.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:41 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 Excellent image of an interesting building - aside from the stained glass
 window, the curved hallway with glass ceiling looks very elegant.

 Mark


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 Passage of the Black Eagle Palace in Oradea, Romania. Please press H
 to view on black. OT because of Sony RX100 II pocketcam.

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Re: Peso, Brooke in Gilmour

2014-10-14 Thread Mark C
Excellent portrait, David. The square format is perfect and as others 
noted, getting to eye level really makes the shot.


Mark

On 10/14/2014 2:11 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

We normally went to my friends camp in Madawaska for our thanksgiving
weekend, but now they have a cottage, south of Bancroft, and we are
doing the weekend there.
One his daughter and son in law have a 1 year old named Brooks. Good
kid, and i thought i should start practicing baby portrait for when
our grand kid arrives.

This is one of several i like.

Did a square crop.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882673

K-5 Sigma 17-70 and af 360 for a bit of fill

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Re: Rain day abstract

2014-10-14 Thread Paul

I thought the same thing...

-p

On 10/14/2014 4:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I like both of 'em  - good timing on #2 especially
I hope Darrel was driving!

ann

On 10/14/2014 17:12, Christine Aguila wrote:

Little experiment on the way to work today.

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Re: Photo puzzler

2014-10-14 Thread Bob W-PDML
It's Cotty at full moon.


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 Hmmm - the pupil seems to be about 50% contracted and it is round, so that 
 rules out a lot of hoofed animals (horizonal shaped pupils) and felines... 
 not a bird due to the apparent fur...  I'd guess a dog... or a primate???
 
 
 
 On 10/14/2014 3:28 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
 
 
 A photo puzzler.
 Guess who this is:
 http://42graphy.org/misc/puzzle1/_IR00178.jpg
 
 Send you answer on the back of a $20 bill... or K-3 ;-)
 ... or just respond to the list. :-)
 
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Re: OT: PESO: Fireflite

2014-10-14 Thread Bill

On 14/10/2014 3:09 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

That's much more like real life.



That was with as little sharpening as I could do. Turned it off in 
Lightroom, and didn't do any in Photoshop other than whatever happens 
during downsizing the image.

I have to sharpen the files from Pentax WAY more.

Thanks all for looking

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Re: OT: If I ever present a post-processed PESO that looks like this....

2014-10-14 Thread Bruce Walker
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 ... please, someone just shoot me.

 http://petapixel.com/2014/10/14/comprehensive-tutorial-post-process-almost-aspect-single-exposure-landscape-shot/#more-148068

 I call this the Thomas Kinkade School of Photographic
 Post-Processing. I tend to believe that at least one or two of the
 colors in the image should be found in actual scene seen.
 /rant

Okay, so no black and white landscapes allowed then.

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Re: OT: PESO: Fireflite

2014-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
Bill, I have become so memory impaired that I'd appreciate seeing the initial 
and final images side by side.(?)

Thanks!

Jack

- Original Message -
From: Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:21:02 PM
Subject: Re: OT: PESO: Fireflite

On 14/10/2014 3:09 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
 That's much more like real life.


That was with as little sharpening as I could do. Turned it off in 
Lightroom, and didn't do any in Photoshop other than whatever happens 
during downsizing the image.
I have to sharpen the files from Pentax WAY more.

Thanks all for looking

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Re: Photo puzzler

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
It's a selfy of Igor - maybe that's the point - not the beastie whose 
eye he is reflected in


ann



On 10/14/2014 17:49, Mark C wrote:

Hmmm - the pupil seems to be about 50% contracted and it is round, so
that rules out a lot of hoofed animals (horizonal shaped pupils) and
felines... not a bird due to the apparent fur...  I'd guess a dog... or
a primate???



On 10/14/2014 3:28 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



A photo puzzler.
Guess who this is:
http://42graphy.org/misc/puzzle1/_IR00178.jpg

Send you answer on the back of a $20 bill... or K-3 ;-)
... or just respond to the list. :-)

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Re: OT PESO: Black Eagle Passage

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I like that - and yes, better against a dark background..
I thought it was a raven

ann

On 10/14/2014 16:30, Attila Boros wrote:

Thanks, Dan and Igor.


On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:


I agree with Dan.
Nice image, and indeed, it looks best on black.

Igor


  Daniel J. Matyola Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:27:43 -0700 wrote:

Nicely done, Attila;  that is a very pleasing image, with nice light
and great detail.


Dan Matyola
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:


Passage of the Black Eagle Palace in Oradea, Romania. Please press H
to view on black. OT because of Sony RX100 II pocketcam.

https://500px.com/photo/86405669/black-eagle-passage-by-attila-boros



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Re: Rain day abstract

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Paul - shall we show ours? :-)  I remember back a while there we were 
cosidering a buddy theme thingy ...


I'm in serious procrastination mode tonight

ann

On 10/14/2014 18:06, Paul wrote:

I thought the same thing...

-p

On 10/14/2014 4:19 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I like both of 'em  - good timing on #2 especially
I hope Darrel was driving!

ann

On 10/14/2014 17:12, Christine Aguila wrote:

Little experiment on the way to work today.

http://www.caguila.com/raindayab/index.html

Comments welcome.
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Re: OT: PESO: Fireflite

2014-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
I’ve found that K-5 files require a substantial amount of sharpening, but I 
rarely apply any sharpening to K-3 files. 

Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 14/10/2014 3:09 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
 That's much more like real life.
 
 
 That was with as little sharpening as I could do. Turned it off in Lightroom, 
 and didn't do any in Photoshop other than whatever happens during downsizing 
 the image.
 I have to sharpen the files from Pentax WAY more.
 
 Thanks all for looking
 
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3 photo GESO - Rainy days through windows

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Shown these in other groups before - they just seem to go along with 
Christine's abstracts


http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/Rainy-days/n-3cTMQ/

Paul Sorenson has one somewhat similar as well, I seem to remember

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Re: Photo puzzler

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Fine image (including the small portrait of the photographer), but I
have no idea to whom the eye belongs.

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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:


 A photo puzzler.
 Guess who this is:
 http://42graphy.org/misc/puzzle1/_IR00178.jpg

 Send you answer on the back of a $20 bill... or K-3 ;-)
 ... or just respond to the list. :-)

 Cheers,

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Re: Rain day abstract

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice work, Christine, especially the second image.

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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Little experiment on the way to work today.

 http://www.caguila.com/raindayab/index.html

 Comments welcome.
 Cheers, Christine


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Re: Peso, Brooke in Gilmour

2014-10-14 Thread Ken Waller
Cute kid. Only other comment I have is to use a less detailed background or 
a lens sufficient to blur the background.


You certainly had his/her attention.

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- Original Message - 
From: David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com

Subject: Peso, Brooke in Gilmour



We normally went to my friends camp in Madawaska for our thanksgiving
weekend, but now they have a cottage, south of Bancroft, and we are
doing the weekend there.
One his daughter and son in law have a 1 year old named Brooks. Good
kid, and i thought i should start practicing baby portrait for when
our grand kid arrives.

This is one of several i like.

Did a square crop.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882673

K-5 Sigma 17-70 and af 360 for a bit of fill

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Re: OT PESO: Black Eagle Passage

2014-10-14 Thread Ken Waller

A very colorful precise image.

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- Original Message - 
From: Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com

Subject: OT PESO: Black Eagle Passage



Passage of the Black Eagle Palace in Oradea, Romania. Please press H
to view on black. OT because of Sony RX100 II pocketcam.

https://500px.com/photo/86405669/black-eagle-passage-by-attila-boros



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PESO: Afternoon light

2014-10-14 Thread Stanley Halpin
Not that I am complaining, but it is really hard to get through dinner 
sometimes when the storm clouds start to give way to the afternoon light on the 
river… Fortunately my wife is very tolerant and often, as in this case, she is 
the one who says something like “look behind you, down river - that light is 
special.” So I leave the table, grab the camera, and go out into the lingering 
rain.

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h19a6c1e1#h19a6c1e1

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PESO: Grass

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882912size=lg
K-5 IIs, FA 100mm Macro F 3.5
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO: Afternoon light

2014-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice light indeed, and a very fine image.

You need to do something special for your wife tonight.  G

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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Stanley Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 Not that I am complaining, but it is really hard to get through dinner 
 sometimes when the storm clouds start to give way to the afternoon light on 
 the river… Fortunately my wife is very tolerant and often, as in this case, 
 she is the one who says something like “look behind you, down river - that 
 light is special.” So I leave the table, grab the camera, and go out into the 
 lingering rain.

 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h19a6c1e1#h19a6c1e1

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Re: PESO: Afternoon light

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Oooh!  Gorgeous!

ann

On 10/14/2014 19:52, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Not that I am complaining, but it is really hard to get through dinner 
sometimes when the storm clouds start to give way to the afternoon light on the 
river… Fortunately my wife is very tolerant and often, as in this case, she is 
the one who says something like “look behind you, down river - that light is 
special.” So I leave the table, grab the camera, and go out into the lingering 
rain.

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h19a6c1e1#h19a6c1e1

stan



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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Ken Waller
to me AS FOUND just means to me he didn't move anything.. except himself 
and his camera...


My definition also.

I wasn't trying to defend Mark - his images speak for themselves.

I was just giving my opinion.

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- Original Message - 
From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com

Subject: Re: PESO - As Found


to me AS FOUND just means to me he didn't move anything.. except himself 
and his camera...


OTOH I don't think it would have been dishonest to photograph and show 
this if he had nudged the leaf a bit to the right or left to improve the 
composition - only _dishonest_ if he called it as found


Ken, I don't think anyone thought Mark didn't find it as shown - I hope my 
joking comments didn't contribute to you feeling you had to defend him :-)


But I will say that when shooting closeups of flora in the wild I don't 
think it is dishonest to remove a tiny twig, or flick away a seedling that 
has fallen onto your subject.. bend back branches of a nearby shrub
to eliminate a shadow, etc. especially when you can't adjust your position 
to capture the scene more artistically. Especially on a windy day, or a 
rainy one, where the scene changes quickly anyway.  It isn't

cheating.

And I agree with Darren vis a vis Eliot Porter - who was my inspiration 
for any nature photos I shot in the early days... I've got all the
Sierra Club paperbacks and a few hardcovers of his, including his 
wonderful black and white stuff of the southwest. Seeing his dye transfer 
prints in person at.. the MET? or MOMA? in the 70's was

a great treat.

ann

On 10/14/2014 10:10, Ken Waller wrote:
It's quite one thing to arrange people in a wedding party and an entirely 
different thing to arrange things in nature to suit your tastes. Doing 
this in nature I'd say is dishonest IMO.


I've come across scenes in nature and photographed them 'as found' 
numerous time - its really a matter of being alert and looking for them.


That said I believe that this image was 'as found' as Mark stated and the 
colors look quite natural to me.



-Original Message-

From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com
Sent: Oct 14, 2014 9:14 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Just a couple other thoughts about this remarkable composition...

I think that Mark is being quite modest in calling this As Found
(and of course, attempting to derail any thoughts that he might have
arranged anything). Frankly, I wouldn't care if he had: Photography is
often in seeing the possibilities and presenting things (like people
at a wedding, for example) at their best. derailAnyone who has
photographed people professionally knows that if you do it passively -
photojournalist style - you aren't going to get the best results.
Small things like the amount and direction a head is tilted, or
providing something better to do with the clasped hands (fig leafs)
that people often automatically assume when a camera is pointed at
them, these things are directorial with the goal of presenting a
better (and, counter-intuitively, often a more natural-looking
photograph).  Most still life images painted the masters was probably
not as found and I doubt that we care or give them bonus points for
never touching or adjusting anything within the composition.

Secondly, a composition on the ground, like this one, still did not
automatically create a good image. The photographer still had choices
to make. Even if one chooses to say that the directly overhead point
of view was a no-brainer there were choices that the photographer
had to make on how much of the scene to include or crop out. He also
has the choice of making it a horizontal or vertical composition (or
square, even). And he has the freedom to orient the camera in any one
of 360 degrees while pointing down. It would be an interesting
experiment to take a group of photographers and (without them seeing
the others had done) assign them to photograph this same patch of
ground. I doubt that any two of them are going to come away with the
exact same image of the scene.

Thirdly, after Tim Bray's comments I went back and looked at the image
again. I can see that the saturation might have been bumped a little
but I don't see this as a problem. It does not look unnatural to me,
although I realize that this is subjective and different photographers
may draw the line in different places. I normally look at the white
areas in an image to judge if the color cast is off in any direction
and the whites do not appear to have any sort of greenish cast to my
eyes.

In short, I really, really like everything about this image and I'm
quite glad that Mark's eyes were open to the possibility when it
presented itself.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com 
wrote:

fortunately it wasnt -exactly- under your feet :-)

That's one of those little scenes that no one is going to believe
you didn't create by moving the 

Re: PESO: Grass

2014-10-14 Thread Ann Sanfedele

works for me

ann

On 10/14/2014 19:53, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17882912size=lg
K-5 IIs, FA 100mm Macro F 3.5
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO - As Found

2014-10-14 Thread Ken Waller
The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black.


Same on my monitor.

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- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

Subject: Re: PESO - As Found


The mushroom caps show good detail and a very deep brown color on my 
calibrated monitor. No black holes, nor even any pure black. The richness 
and depth of the color are part of the images appeal, IMO.


Paul
On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


HI, mark, As I recall, I sent along my terms of approval of this image.
It has, rightfully, met with general approval, as it deserves to.
I do have a suggestion (comment), if I may.
My monitor allows virtually no detail to show on the mushroom caps.
I confess downloading the image and giving them a couple light bumps with 
the dodge tool.

I limited it to subtle, but took out the black hole effect.
Hope OK?

Jack


- Original Message -
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net
To: PDML pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:07:48 AM
Subject: Re: PESO - As Found

Thanks Dan. My wife and I were a few hours north of here, pulling flower
pots off her family grave plot in preparation for winter. I literally
looked down to grab a pot full of geraniums and saw the the leaf and
mushrooms, as they are. I have wander through the graveyard a bit for
this looking at other fallen leaves, but this was the best arrangement I
saw.

Mark

On 10/13/2014 7:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Wow, what a great composition for a found image.

Of course, it take an artistic eye to notice the lovely arrangement
and frame it to best effect, as you have done.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/as-found

You never know what is going to be right under your feet.

Mark



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Re: Afternoon light

2014-10-14 Thread Ken Waller

Nicely composed and captured.

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- Original Message - 
From: Stanley Halpin s...@stans-photography.info

Subject: PESO: Afternoon light


Not that I am complaining, but it is really hard to get through dinner 
sometimes when the storm clouds start to give way to the afternoon light on 
the river… Fortunately my wife is very tolerant and often, as in this case, 
she is the one who says something like “look behind you, down river - that 
light is special.” So I leave the table, grab the camera, and go out into 
the lingering rain.


http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/h19a6c1e1#h19a6c1e1

stan


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Re: Photo puzzler

2014-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Mark gave interesting arguments, but one of them is not quite correct.
I laughed at Bob's version!

Ann and Dan made a great observation and figured out half of the answer!
Yes, the reflection is the selfie. Sort of...

Still remaining the other half, as Dan put it to whom the eye belongs.

Any other guesses?

Igor



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A photo puzzler.
Guess who this is:
http://42graphy.org/misc/puzzle1/_IR00178.jpg

Send you answer on the back of a $20 bill... or K-3 ;-)
... or just respond to the list. :-)

Cheers,

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Re: Photo puzzler

2014-10-14 Thread Larry Colen



Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Mark gave interesting arguments, but one of them is not quite correct.
I laughed at Bob's version!

Ann and Dan made a great observation and figured out half of the answer!
Yes, the reflection is the selfie. Sort of...

Still remaining the other half, as Dan put it to whom the eye belongs.

Any other guesses?


I'm fairly certain it's not Jane, unless she's about to die from 
blepharitis.  I'll guess that it's a dog, perhaps one sitting on stairs 
in a house.




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Re: OT: If I ever present a post-processed PESO that looks like this....

2014-10-14 Thread Mark Roberts
Bruce Walker wrote:

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 ... please, someone just shoot me.

 http://petapixel.com/2014/10/14/comprehensive-tutorial-post-process-almost-aspect-single-exposure-landscape-shot/#more-148068

 I call this the Thomas Kinkade School of Photographic
 Post-Processing. I tend to believe that at least one or two of the
 colors in the image should be found in actual scene seen.
 /rant

Okay, so no black and white landscapes allowed then.

Zing!
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