Re: OT - Stefan On Top of the World

[Steve Cottrell]

On 3/9/15, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Good looking kid. Must take after his mother!

Thanks mate - made me laugh :)

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Re: OT - Stefan On Top of the World

[Bob W-PDML]

He really is tall!

B

> On 4 Sep 2015, at 00:01, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Back in '08 I brought my lad Stefan to GFM and a few listers met him.
> Before he starts his 3rd and final year at university, he's spending a
> couple of weeks staying with some friends in NY doing the rounds, US
> Open, B&H, and today from up the Empire State - if you'd like to see his
> selfie, here's a link.
> 
> So wish I was there too!
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: OT - Stefan On Top of the World

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:03 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> don't startle4 him but i thinsk that big foot off toe4he left

That's easy for you to say!

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PESO: Showing the Flag

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Watching the Memorial Day Parade in my home town:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18080163&size=lg
K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
Comments are invited.

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Re: OT - Stefan On Top of the World

[Jack Davis]

You're a good Dad!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Back in '08 I brought my lad Stefan to GFM and a few listers met him.
> Before he starts his 3rd and final year at university, he's spending a
> couple of weeks staying with some friends in NY doing the rounds, US
> Open, B&H, and today from up the Empire State - if you'd like to see his
> selfie, here's a link.
> 
> So wish I was there too!
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers to all
> 
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> 
> Cheers,
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Re: OT - Stefan On Top of the World

[ann sanfedele]

I wish you were here too, Cotty!

ann

On 9/3/2015 7:00 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Hi,

Back in '08 I brought my lad Stefan to GFM and a few listers met him.
Before he starts his 3rd and final year at university, he's spending a
couple of weeks staying with some friends in NY doing the rounds, US
Open, B&H, and today from up the Empire State - if you'd like to see his
selfie, here's a link.

So wish I was there too!



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Re: OT - Stefan On Top of the World

[Paul Stenquist]

Good looking kid. Must take after his mother!

Paul via phone

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Back in '08 I brought my lad Stefan to GFM and a few listers met him.
> Before he starts his 3rd and final year at university, he's spending a
> couple of weeks staying with some friends in NY doing the rounds, US
> Open, B&H, and today from up the Empire State - if you'd like to see his
> selfie, here's a link.
> 
> So wish I was there too!
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers to all
> 
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> 
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: OT - Stefan On Top of the World

[David J Brooks]

don't startle4 him but i thinsk that big foot off toe4he left


On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Back in '08 I brought my lad Stefan to GFM and a few listers met him.
> Before he starts his 3rd and final year at university, he's spending a
> couple of weeks staying with some friends in NY doing the rounds, US
> Open, B&H, and today from up the Empire State - if you'd like to see his
> selfie, here's a link.
>
> So wish I was there too!
>
> 
>
> Cheers to all
>
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>
>
> Cheers,
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Re: OT - Stefan On Top of the World

[Steve Cottrell]

On 4/9/15, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Hi,
>
>Back in '08 I brought my lad Stefan to GFM and a few listers met him.
>Before he starts his 3rd and final year at university, he's spending a
>couple of weeks staying with some friends in NY doing the rounds, US
>Open, B&H, and today from up the Empire State - if you'd like to see his
>selfie, here's a link.
>
>So wish I was there too!
>
>
>
>Cheers to all

I should add that in his photo pack he's carrying the A*85/1.4 - hope
he's getting some good shots with that sucker.

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OT - Stefan On Top of the World

[Steve Cottrell]

Hi,

Back in '08 I brought my lad Stefan to GFM and a few listers met him.
Before he starts his 3rd and final year at university, he's spending a
couple of weeks staying with some friends in NY doing the rounds, US
Open, B&H, and today from up the Empire State - if you'd like to see his
selfie, here's a link.

So wish I was there too!



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Re: OT. Was :Woo Hoo!

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015, at 08:08 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
> I know the original subject has changed "a bit", as usual.
> 
> Still, here in Turkey, a galloon of gas is about USD 5.80
> just for the records :)


A "galloon"?  Is that a balloon filled with gasoline?


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Re: September PUG - Last Call

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2015, at 07:48 AM, Darren Addy wrote:
> Well, Brian should be padding around in his jammies and slippers and
> sipping his first cup of morning coffee about now. (Do Aussies drink
> coffee or are they tea drinkers like in England?)
> 


Jammies??  I don't need no stinkin' jammies!

Do Aussies drink coffee? This one certainly does - never developed a
taste for tea. A nice, fair trade 'Long Black' sits on my desk as I
write.  As I discovered on my USA trip a couple of years ago, a Long
Black is like your Americano.


> No pressure, Brian. We'll patiently tap our fingers on our desks and
> await the year's Most Anticipated PUG!
> :)
> :)
> :)
> 

The final tally is 28 submissions - the biggest PUG for some time.


Cheers

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> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Brian Walters 
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015, at 01:40 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
> >> My comment was not directed at you John. Only a reminder to any who
> >> had not yet submitted that they are in the final hours (and they will
> >> be close to GONE when I get up in the morning CDT).
> >
> >
> > That's OK.  I'll probably forget to close it down tonight (after the
> > obligatory red with dinner), so it will probably be Friday morning
> > before it's too late...
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
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> >
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Re: PESO - 412

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This is a beautifully enigmatic and colourful image, Marco. Nice!

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
> And now for something completely different (for me, at least):
>
> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo15/peso16.html
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> Comments, as always, welcomed.
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Re: PESO ~ new life

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you very much, Frank.

And thanks too: Mark, Dan, Paul and Bulent.

And I appreciate the reference to Cybele, Bulent.



On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 10:33 PM, Knarf  wrote:
> Not objectifying in the least. It's gorgeous.
>
> She's gorgeous!
>
> I have no objection to nudity whatsoever. And I don't want to get into it 
> right now; I just want to enjoy your lovely photo.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
>
>
> On 31 August, 2015 4:35:38 PM EDT, Bruce Walker  
> wrote:
>>Anonymous by request. Teensy bit nsfw.
>>
>>http://off-axis.brucemwalker.com/image/128038736602
>>
>>Objectification, Frank? :)
>>
>>645z, DFA645 55mm f:2.8 SDM, f/8.0, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO
>>Paul Buff Einstein strobe with gridded 5 foot strip box, camera-right
>>
>>Comments and controversy welcome.
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sigma 200-500

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Funny...

http://petapixel.com/2011/09/20/hilarious-customer-reviews-for-the-sigma-200-500mm-lens-on-amazon/


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Re: September PUG - Last Call

[Darren Addy]

Well, Brian should be padding around in his jammies and slippers and
sipping his first cup of morning coffee about now. (Do Aussies drink
coffee or are they tea drinkers like in England?)

No pressure, Brian. We'll patiently tap our fingers on our desks and
await the year's Most Anticipated PUG!
:)
:)
:)

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015, at 01:40 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>> My comment was not directed at you John. Only a reminder to any who
>> had not yet submitted that they are in the final hours (and they will
>> be close to GONE when I get up in the morning CDT).
>
>
> That's OK.  I'll probably forget to close it down tonight (after the
> obligatory red with dinner), so it will probably be Friday morning
> before it's too late...
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>
>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:40 PM, John  wrote:
>> > So? Deadline was Thursday EVENING.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/2/2015 7:47 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Currently 9:46 AM in Sydney, AU.
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:30 PM, John  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm in.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8/31/2015 5:31 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  G'day all
>> 
>>  I'm running a bit late in compiling the PUG this month - still sorting
>>  through the photos from my recent trip to the North-west.
>> 
>>  Anyway, there's still a couple of days to get your submissions in.  I'll
>>  shut the door on Thursday evening, Sydney time.
>> 
>>  Theme: World Photo Day - August 19
>> 
>>  As usual submit here:
>> 
>>  http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>> 
>>  Full Submission Guidelines here:
>> 
>>  http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Paul Stenquist]

A sharp retort, but overall the thread is falling flat.

Paul via phone

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> I don't like the tone of that, are you stringing us on?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Larry Colen 
>> Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...
>> 
>> I'd say that we're neck and neck, but that might be a bridge too far.
>> 
>>> On September 3, 2015 8:52:51 AM PDT, Ken Waller  
>>> wrote:
>>> Shirley, Larry's comment will be easy to beat !
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
 From: Larry Colen 
 Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...
 
 
 
 John wrote:
> Couple of things.
> 
> I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this
>>> PESO.
> Let me know if there are any problems.
 
 It works for me.
 
> 
> I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
> looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the
>>> year.
> And THIS is the reason why:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra
 
 In that case, I wouldn't fret.
 
 
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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Darren Addy]

> I don't like the tone of that, are you stringing us on?

Well if you don't like it, you can blow it out your sound hole.
:)

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Ken Waller wrote:
>>
>> I don't like the tone of that, are you stringing us on?
>
>
> You sure have a lot of pluck!
>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>> From: Larry Colen
>>> Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...
>>>
>>> I'd say that we're neck and neck, but that might be a bridge too far.
>>>
>>> On September 3, 2015 8:52:51 AM PDT, Ken Waller
>>> wrote:

 Shirley, Larry's comment will be easy to beat !


 -Original Message-
>
> From: Larry Colen
> Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...
>
>
>
> John wrote:
>>
>> Couple of things.
>>
>> I signed up for a free Dropbox account&  I'm testing it with this

 PESO.
>>
>> Let me know if there are any problems.
>
> It works for me.
>
>> I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
>> looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the

 year.
>>
>> And THIS is the reason why:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra
>
> In that case, I wouldn't fret.
>
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Larry Colen]

Ken Waller wrote:

I don't like the tone of that, are you stringing us on?


You sure have a lot of pluck!




-Original Message-

From: Larry Colen
Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...

I'd say that we're neck and neck, but that might be a bridge too far.

On September 3, 2015 8:52:51 AM PDT, Ken Waller  wrote:

Shirley, Larry's comment will be easy to beat !


-Original Message-

From: Larry Colen
Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...



John wrote:

Couple of things.

I signed up for a free Dropbox account&  I'm testing it with this

PESO.

Let me know if there are any problems.

It works for me.


I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the

year.

And THIS is the reason why:

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra

In that case, I wouldn't fret.




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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)

[Larry Colen]

Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Larry,

The meteoristic [sic] photos are particularly cool.
;-)

I've enjoyed them when you posted them first, and enjoyed them again now.


Thanks!





Igor


On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


I tried sending this an hour or so ago, but see no evidence either in my
inbox or my sent folder of it.

Here's my August "best of" set. Meteors, cars and my back yard:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157656726691360/





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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Ken Waller]

I don't like the tone of that, are you stringing us on?


-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen 
>Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...
>
>I'd say that we're neck and neck, but that might be a bridge too far.
>
>On September 3, 2015 8:52:51 AM PDT, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>Shirley, Larry's comment will be easy to beat !
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Larry Colen 
>>>Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John wrote:
 Couple of things.

 I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this
>>PESO.
 Let me know if there are any problems.
>>>
>>>It works for me.
>>>

 I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
 looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the
>>year.
 And THIS is the reason why:

 https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra
>>>
>>>In that case, I wouldn't fret.
>>>


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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)

[Igor PDML-StR]

Larry,

The meteoristic [sic] photos are particularly cool.
;-)

I've enjoyed them when you posted them first, and enjoyed them again now.


Igor


On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


I tried sending this an hour or so ago, but see no evidence either in my
inbox or my sent folder of it.

Here's my August "best of" set.  Meteors, cars and my back yard:
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Amazon never ceases to amaze me.

[P.J. Alling]

I just received a missive from Amazon that's entirely on topic.  All Pentax.

The amazing part is the prices.

I can get a K-50 for only $296.47, which is really a pretty good price, 
then there's the K-500 which is offered for only $539.99. Wait, what?  
No, no, it's not priced in some other currency, it's USD.  The rest of 
the e-mail is in that vein, higher level camera lower price.  Lower 
level longer discontinued camera higher price.


You can buy a K-30 for more than a K-S2 and nearly twice the price of 
the K-50.


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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Darren Addy]

It just struck me that Bruce and John probably envision entirely
different things when someone says "G-Strings".

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Darren Addy  wrote:
> Larry's comments certainly strike a chord with me.
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> I'd say that we're neck and neck, but that might be a bridge too far.
>>
>> On September 3, 2015 8:52:51 AM PDT, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>>Shirley, Larry's comment will be easy to beat !
>>>
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
From: Larry Colen 
Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...



John wrote:
> Couple of things.
>
> I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this
>>>PESO.
> Let me know if there are any problems.

It works for me.

>
> I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
> looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the
>>>year.
> And THIS is the reason why:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra

In that case, I wouldn't fret.

>
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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[ann sanfedele]

You shouldn't fret about it - folks here aren't too picky


On 9/3/2015 3:12 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I'd say that we're neck and neck, but that might be a bridge too far.

On September 3, 2015 8:52:51 AM PDT, Ken Waller  wrote:

Shirley, Larry's comment will be easy to beat !


-Original Message-

From: Larry Colen 
Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...



John wrote:

Couple of things.

I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this

PESO.

Let me know if there are any problems.

It works for me.


I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the

year.

And THIS is the reason why:

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra

In that case, I wouldn't fret.




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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

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Larry's comments certainly strike a chord with me.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I'd say that we're neck and neck, but that might be a bridge too far.
>
> On September 3, 2015 8:52:51 AM PDT, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>Shirley, Larry's comment will be easy to beat !
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Larry Colen 
>>>Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John wrote:
 Couple of things.

 I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this
>>PESO.
 Let me know if there are any problems.
>>>
>>>It works for me.
>>>

 I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
 looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the
>>year.
 And THIS is the reason why:

 https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra
>>>
>>>In that case, I wouldn't fret.
>>>


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Re: OT: Woo Hoo!

[P.J. Alling]

You could be right about that.  Memory is a strange thing, but the irony 
is still there.


On 9/3/2015 1:36 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

PJ, Wasn't it the other way around?  Krupp paid Sheffield for every
shell they fired. in WWI.  Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:54 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

The British in WWI used a Krupp designed fuse under license, on their
artillery shells.  Every one of those shells that the British fired at the
Germans resulted in a payment to an escrow account to be paid to Krupp at
the end of hostilities.  A bit of irony there.

On 9/2/2015 12:33 AM, John wrote:

That was kind of my point, that most of the support U.S. companies have
been criticized for giving Hitler happened before the war.

The companies profited from their German subsidiaries in the period
between when Britain, France & Germany went to war, but once the U.S.
entered the war, they had no actual control over the German subsidiaries.

They did kind of gloss over how the German subsidiaries had made profits
the U.S. companies collected after the war was over.

On 9/1/2015 9:18 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Much of this of course was in the mid 1930s  when the world was still
not sure what to think of Hitler. The British were initially
supportive as well, and companies from around the world traded with
Germany.

Paul via phone


On Sep 1, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Daniel J. Matyola
 wrote:


On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:03 PM, John 
wrote: US Steel, Ford, General Motors and IBM were all investors
in Germany


And Joe Kennedy Sr was one of Germany's greatest admirers.


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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Larry Colen]

I'd say that we're neck and neck, but that might be a bridge too far.

On September 3, 2015 8:52:51 AM PDT, Ken Waller  wrote:
>Shirley, Larry's comment will be easy to beat !
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Larry Colen 
>>Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...
>>
>>
>>
>>John wrote:
>>> Couple of things.
>>>
>>> I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this
>PESO.
>>> Let me know if there are any problems.
>>
>>It works for me.
>>
>>>
>>> I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
>>> looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the
>year.
>>> And THIS is the reason why:
>>>
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra
>>
>>In that case, I wouldn't fret.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Knarf]

Sweet!

Cheers,

Frank

On 3 September, 2015 12:48:28 AM EDT, John  wrote:
>Couple of things.
>
>I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this PESO.
>
>Let me know if there are any problems.
>
>I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it 
>looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the year.
>
>And THIS is the reason why:
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra

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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Darren Addy]

> I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it looks 
> like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the year. And THIS is 
> the reason why:

You've got some seriously screwed-up priorities, John!
:)
Seriously, congrats on the new instrument.

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Re: Woo Hoo!

[Ken Waller]

This is where black box data will come in handy if the driver doesn't fess 
up to his mistake.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Alan C" 

Subject: Re: Woo Hoo!



Boo Hoo! Idiot. At least no humans were injured.

https://www.enca.com/south-africa/driver-crashes-two-day-old-ferrari-tree

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Waller

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 8:36 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!


I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...



I bet they wish they had handled the entire unintended acceleration issue
differently...

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Knarf" 

Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!



I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...

Cheers,

frank

On 1 September, 2015 2:11:57 PM EDT, Ken Waller  
wrote:

Self-driven cars will record all the variables that they monitor and
control, and there will be a blackbox >recorder like on a plane, which

will

be amenable to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers,

so

>there will be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.


So called 'blackboxes' have been in new cars for several years -
recording
among other things accelerator & brake pedal usage. The issue has
surfaced
as to who 'owns' the data - the car owner, law enforcement. In some
cases
I'm aware of it has taken a court order for outsiders to access the
data.

Black boxes are great in unintended acceleration cases especially where
the
driver states he was pressing the brake pedal when the data shown
otherwisw.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W-PDML" 

Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!



That case was nearly 50 years ago; since that time consumer power has



changed dramatically, and so has the availability of evidence.

Self-driven

cars will record all the variables that they monitor and control, and



there will be a blackbox recorder like on a plane, which will be

amenable

to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers, so there

will

be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.

They have no choice but to put safety before profit. The alternative

is no

more manufacturer.

Because of increased consumer power, thanks to people like Ralph

Nader who

was so vilified by so many Americans caught up in the corporate lie,
manufacturers are far quicker to recall products for much smaller

issues,

and in the case of software it will be far easier and cheaper to

correct

it than will ever be the case with hardware.

B



On 31 Aug 2015, at 21:30, John  wrote:

Do you remember the Ford Pinto with the faulty gas tanks?

http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/phpq3mJ7F_FordMemo.pdf

Do you think the manufacturers of self-driving cars will be any more
ethical? Will they put passenger safety ahead of profit?


On 8/31/2015 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:10, John  wrote:

According to some, [...] those who deny that it is possible are
wrong.

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

[...] The conspiracy folks [...]



Do you really, really think that the people who are designing this
stuff are not aware of the risks, and do not spend a lot of time

and

money thinking about this stuff, working through the possibilities
and the countermeasures? Have you any idea at all of the types of
people who are involved in designing and validating safety-critical
software?

Even so, it won't be perfect, but anyone who thinks that the risks

of

the imperfect software coupled with a bloody big Stop! button in
every car outweigh the benefits of saving upwards of 1,000,000

lives

per year lost as the result of human errors must be barking mad.



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Re: Woo Hoo!

[Alan C]

Boo Hoo! Idiot. At least no humans were injured.

https://www.enca.com/south-africa/driver-crashes-two-day-old-ferrari-tree

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Waller

Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 8:36 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!


I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...



I bet they wish they had handled the entire unintended acceleration issue
differently...

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- Original Message - 
From: "Knarf" 

Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!



I bet Audi wish they had black boxes in the 80s...

Cheers,

frank

On 1 September, 2015 2:11:57 PM EDT, Ken Waller  
wrote:

Self-driven cars will record all the variables that they monitor and
control, and there will be a blackbox >recorder like on a plane, which

will

be amenable to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers,

so

>there will be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.


So called 'blackboxes' have been in new cars for several years -
recording
among other things accelerator & brake pedal usage. The issue has
surfaced
as to who 'owns' the data - the car owner, law enforcement. In some
cases
I'm aware of it has taken a court order for outsiders to access the
data.

Black boxes are great in unintended acceleration cases especially where
the
driver states he was pressing the brake pedal when the data shown
otherwisw.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W-PDML" 

Subject: Re: OT: Woo Hoo!



That case was nearly 50 years ago; since that time consumer power has



changed dramatically, and so has the availability of evidence.

Self-driven

cars will record all the variables that they monitor and control, and



there will be a blackbox recorder like on a plane, which will be

amenable

to independent accident investigators, not to say lawyers, so there

will

be nowhere for the manufacturers to hide.

They have no choice but to put safety before profit. The alternative

is no

more manufacturer.

Because of increased consumer power, thanks to people like Ralph

Nader who

was so vilified by so many Americans caught up in the corporate lie,
manufacturers are far quicker to recall products for much smaller

issues,

and in the case of software it will be far easier and cheaper to

correct

it than will ever be the case with hardware.

B



On 31 Aug 2015, at 21:30, John  wrote:

Do you remember the Ford Pinto with the faulty gas tanks?

http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/phpq3mJ7F_FordMemo.pdf

Do you think the manufacturers of self-driving cars will be any more
ethical? Will they put passenger safety ahead of profit?


On 8/31/2015 3:25 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 31 Aug 2015, at 20:10, John  wrote:

According to some, [...] those who deny that it is possible are
wrong.

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

[...] The conspiracy folks [...]



Do you really, really think that the people who are designing this
stuff are not aware of the risks, and do not spend a lot of time

and

money thinking about this stuff, working through the possibilities
and the countermeasures? Have you any idea at all of the types of
people who are involved in designing and validating safety-critical
software?

Even so, it won't be perfect, but anyone who thinks that the risks

of

the imperfect software coupled with a bloody big Stop! button in
every car outweigh the benefits of saving upwards of 1,000,000

lives

per year lost as the result of human errors must be barking mad.



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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)

[Larry Colen]

Bulent Celasun wrote:

Quoting (partly) from Dan:

I envy not only the quality of your images but the

looks of your backyard :)


There are some downsides to living in the Temple of deferred 
maintenance, aka the Winchester Mystery shack, but it's kind of nice 
having a dance floor next to a redwood grove that overlooks the river.


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2015-09-01 23:08 GMT+03:00 Larry Colen:

I tried sending this an hour or so ago, but see no evidence either in my
inbox or my sent folder of it.

Here's my August "best of" set.  Meteors, cars and my back yard:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157656726691360/

Here are a couple sets (should be visible even without a facebook account)
of me having the sort of fun I haven't had in far too long.

Last Thursday near Willows California:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153677957779673.1073742073.653299672&type=1&l=98a25ac106

Last Sunday near Monterey:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153686751424673.1073742077.653299672&type=1&l=aec62f5eb8


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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Chris Mitchell]

It works for me. Nice Hummingbird. Is it a new one or vintage?

Chris

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>
> I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this PESO. Let
> me know if there are any problems.
>
> I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it looks
> like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the year. And THIS
> is the reason why:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra
>
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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Ken Waller]

Shirley, Larry's comment will be easy to beat !


-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen 
>Subject: Re: PESO: The reason why ...
>
>
>
>John wrote:
>> Couple of things.
>>
>> I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this PESO.
>> Let me know if there are any problems.
>
>It works for me.
>
>>
>> I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
>> looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the year.
>> And THIS is the reason why:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra
>
>In that case, I wouldn't fret.
>
>>
>>
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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)

[Paul]

Love the night sky pix

-p

On 9/1/2015 3:08 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I tried sending this an hour or so ago, but see no evidence either in my
inbox or my sent folder of it.

Here's my August "best of" set.  Meteors, cars and my back yard:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157656726691360/

Here are a couple sets (should be visible even without a facebook
account) of me having the sort of fun I haven't had in far too long.

Last Thursday near Willows California:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153677957779673.1073742073.653299672&type=1&l=98a25ac106


Last Sunday near Monterey:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153686751424673.1073742077.653299672&type=1&l=aec62f5eb8





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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Ken Waller]

Great looking music maker!


-Original Message-
>From: John 
>Subject: PESO: The reason why ...
>
>Couple of things.
>
>I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this PESO. 
>Let me know if there are any problems.
>
>I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it 
>looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the year. 
>And THIS is the reason why:
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra



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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[ann sanfedele]

Ok - after a little while the "problem" box, that showed up in both 
browsers (I'm on Windoze 7, btw) went away - the

photo was a good viewing size (didn't have to scroll to see all) .

and I learned that you played the guitar :-)

ann

On 9/3/2015 12:48 AM, John wrote:

Couple of things.

I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this 
PESO. Let me know if there are any problems.


I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it 
looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the 
year. And THIS is the reason why:


https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra





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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[ann sanfedele]

Yes I could see a small photo of a guitar.. nice lookin'
I was in firefox _ I'll try google in a little while

ann

On 9/3/2015 8:52 AM, John wrote:

I don't know what that means.

When I checked it just now, I have the photo and the box "There was a
problem processing this request", but after a few seconds the "problem"
box went away.

I don't know enough about Dropbox to figure out what request it's having
a problem with.

But you were able to see the photo?

On 9/3/2015 7:44 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I saw a photo - small in the middle of a white background with a box at
the top that said
"there was a problem processing this request"

ann

On 9/3/2015 12:48 AM, John wrote:

Couple of things.

I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this
PESO. Let me know if there are any problems.

I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the
year. And THIS is the reason why:

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra










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Re: OT. Was :Woo Hoo!

[Bulent Celasun]

As far as I know, about two-thirds of it are taxes of various sorts.

Less than 10% of the raw material is produced within our land;
this and almost all the rest is refined in Turkey.

This is perhaps the easiest way of getting (sucking?) big sums of
money from everybody continuously.

Bulent


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2015-09-03 15:43 GMT+03:00 John :
> And what part of that is the cost of extracting & refining and what part
> taxes to pay for roads & what part taxes to discourage consumption?
>
>
> On 9/3/2015 6:08 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:
>>
>> I know the original subject has changed "a bit", as usual.
>>
>> Still, here in Turkey, a galloon of gas is about USD 5.80
>> just for the records :)
>>
>> Bulent
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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[John]

I don't know what that means.

When I checked it just now, I have the photo and the box "There was a
problem processing this request", but after a few seconds the "problem"
box went away.

I don't know enough about Dropbox to figure out what request it's having
a problem with.

But you were able to see the photo?

On 9/3/2015 7:44 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

I saw a photo - small in the middle of a white background with a box at
the top that said
"there was a problem processing this request"

ann

On 9/3/2015 12:48 AM, John wrote:

Couple of things.

I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this
PESO. Let me know if there are any problems.

I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it
looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the
year. And THIS is the reason why:

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra







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Re: OT. Was :Woo Hoo!

[John]

And what part of that is the cost of extracting & refining and what part
taxes to pay for roads & what part taxes to discourage consumption?

On 9/3/2015 6:08 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

I know the original subject has changed "a bit", as usual.

Still, here in Turkey, a galloon of gas is about USD 5.80
just for the records :)

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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[Jack Davis]

Beautiful! Love the background.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2015, at 4:44 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I saw a photo - small in the middle of a white background with a box at the 
> top that said
> "there was a problem processing this request"
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 9/3/2015 12:48 AM, John wrote:
>> Couple of things.
>> 
>> I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this PESO. Let 
>> me know if there are any problems.
>> 
>> I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it looks 
>> like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the year. And THIS 
>> is the reason why:
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra
>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO: The reason why ...

[ann sanfedele]

I saw a photo - small in the middle of a white background with a box at 
the top that said

"there was a problem processing this request"

ann

On 9/3/2015 12:48 AM, John wrote:

Couple of things.

I signed up for a free Dropbox account & I'm testing it with this 
PESO. Let me know if there are any problems.


I've been saving for the putative Pentax Full-Frame DSLR, but now it 
looks like I won't be able to buy it until after the first of the 
year. And THIS is the reason why:


https://www.dropbox.com/sc/6lg49756mcfkrla/AADaZ6_trSPVmAXSJob5PTDra





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Re: August "best of", and some photos of me having fun (redux)

[Bulent Celasun]

Quoting (partly) from Dan:
> I envy not only the quality of your images but the
looks of your backyard :)

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2015-09-01 23:08 GMT+03:00 Larry Colen :
> I tried sending this an hour or so ago, but see no evidence either in my
> inbox or my sent folder of it.
>
> Here's my August "best of" set.  Meteors, cars and my back yard:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157656726691360/
>
> Here are a couple sets (should be visible even without a facebook account)
> of me having the sort of fun I haven't had in far too long.
>
> Last Thursday near Willows California:
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153677957779673.1073742073.653299672&type=1&l=98a25ac106
>
> Last Sunday near Monterey:
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153686751424673.1073742077.653299672&type=1&l=aec62f5eb8
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Re: PESO - Mike, Jeremy and Some Guy Riding Through

[Bulent Celasun]

Aaron made the picture!

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2015-09-02 4:02 GMT+03:00 frank theriault :
> Actually, the guy's name is Aaron, but I started off taking a photo of
> Mike and Jeremy enjoying a few between-stunt laughs and Aaron coasted
> through the frame. I thought it was kind of fun:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2015/09/mike-jeremy-and-some-guy-riding-through.html
>
> Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome.
>
> cheers,
>
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Re: PESO - Mountaintop

[Bulent Celasun]

Looking at it made me take a deep breath!

Thank you :)

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2015-09-03 3:53 GMT+03:00 Rick Womer :
> We've been back from our New Hampshire vacation for eight days--seems like 
> longer!
>
> This is from West Rattlesnake, a minor summit with a wonderful view.
>
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18079739&size=lg
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> (K-5, DA 10-17)
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> Comments appreciated.
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OT. Was :Woo Hoo!

[Bulent Celasun]

I know the original subject has changed "a bit", as usual.

Still, here in Turkey, a galloon of gas is about USD 5.80
just for the records :)

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