Re: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

[Alan C]

Another excellent shot. I find it remarkable that the Woodpecker, being 
insectivorous, is there at all. Unless it spotted a "squatter" inside the 
feeder?


Alan C

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PESO: A River Runs Through It

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Fishing near the Rio Grande Gorge:
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Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO 2016 - 190-194 - GDG

[ann sanfedele]

I think I like 193 - the surfers - the best...  but all are pleasing

ann


On 10/23/2016 10:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I took a nice long drive this morning, getting to know the 'new' car after 
getting it all set up and ready for a road trip.
Just a few snaps while I stopped in Santa Cruz after breakfast.

   https://flic.kr/p/MxFNve
   https://flic.kr/p/MxSjRL
   https://flic.kr/p/MxSjfL
   https://flic.kr/p/MxSiJ5
   https://flic.kr/p/MxFLrV

enjoy!

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PESO 2016 - 190-194 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I took a nice long drive this morning, getting to know the 'new' car after 
getting it all set up and ready for a road trip. 
Just a few snaps while I stopped in Santa Cruz after breakfast.

  https://flic.kr/p/MxFNve
  https://flic.kr/p/MxSjRL
  https://flic.kr/p/MxSjfL
  https://flic.kr/p/MxSiJ5
  https://flic.kr/p/MxFLrV

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Re: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Thanks, Dan. They eat my house. I figure that's enough for them.


I understand.  They have made several large holes in the side of my shed.

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Re: PESO: Mummy?

[Bob Sullivan]

Like the color much better, and so cute too!  Bob S.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 7:12 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> Baby Caitlin at 7 days old.  She's 6 weeks already and growing fast!
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1028/#peso
>
> Just before posting this I decided to try a B version as well.
>
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1029/#peso
>
> Cheers,
> Daddy
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Re: PESO - nude with her back to us

[Paul Stenquist]

Beautiful!

Paul via phone

> On Oct 23, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
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> On 23/10/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> For those fans of b nudes.
>> 
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IiKw5Atrq1YM
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>> 645z, 90mm/2.8, f/11, 1/125th sec, 400 ISO; handheld.
>> Window light only.
>> 
>> Model is Kristen Au.
>> 
>> Comments appreciated.
> 
> Has a 'Barbarella' feel to it.
> 
> Exquisite as usual mate.
> 
> Thumbs up here.
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Re: PESO: Mummy?

[Jack Davis]

Intently  Cute, Dave!

J

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> On Oct 23, 2016, at 5:12 PM, David Mann  wrote:
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> Baby Caitlin at 7 days old.  She's 6 weeks already and growing fast!
> 
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1028/#peso
> 
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> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1029/#peso
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Re: Peso-Target of Opertunity

[Jack Davis]

Appreciated, Ann!
Turkey Buzzard is correct.

J

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> On Oct 23, 2016, at 4:53 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Yeah - that's a keeper for sure.  I like it as is but note bW would be good 
> too. The silhoutte is right on and the blue is strong but doesnt look over 
> saturatedor washed out..  That's a turkey vulture/buzzard , yes?   He looks 
> like he is part of the tree.  Love it
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 10/23/2016 6:55 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>> Shot a couple days ago.
>> 
>> C?
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1114
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Re: PESO - nude with her back to us

[Steve Cottrell]

On 23/10/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>For those fans of b nudes.
>
>http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IiKw5Atrq1YM
>
>645z, 90mm/2.8, f/11, 1/125th sec, 400 ISO; handheld.
>Window light only.
>
>Model is Kristen Au.
>
>Comments appreciated.

Has a 'Barbarella' feel to it.

Exquisite as usual mate.

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PESO: Mummy?

[David Mann]

Baby Caitlin at 7 days old.  She's 6 weeks already and growing fast!

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1028/#peso

Just before posting this I decided to try a B version as well.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1029/#peso

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Re: Peso-Target of Opertunity

[ann sanfedele]

Yeah - that's a keeper for sure.  I like it as is but note bW would be 
good too. The silhoutte is right on and the blue is strong but doesnt 
look over saturatedor washed out..  That's a turkey vulture/buzzard , 
yes?   He looks like he is part of the tree.  Love it


ann


On 10/23/2016 6:55 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


Shot a couple days ago.

C?

J

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Re: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

[ann sanfedele]

I was about to say trust me on this one, but just as easier to send 
links...  These and Downies I know quite well, from hours over the years 
of watching them


at my friendNora's bird feeders- special ones in winter for the 
woodies... red-bellied a bit bigger than downies - good to see the scale 
in yours


versus the sparrows, too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-bellied_woodpecker

http://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/downy-woodpecker

ann





On 10/23/2016 6:31 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:


Paul via phone


On Oct 23, 2016, at 5:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

cute! The sparrows don't seem to mind him though

still can't understand why they call him a red*bellied* woodpecker instead of 
something likered-capped or red-crowned...

ann

One sparrow attacked him. Missed the shot as my buffer was full. I think they 
call this guy a Downey Woodpecker, but I haven't tried to match him up to the 
pics.

On 10/23/2016 4:09 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302538=lg



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Peso-Target of Opertunity

[Jack Davis]

Shot a couple days ago.

C?

J

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Re: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

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Paul via phone

> On Oct 23, 2016, at 5:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> cute! The sparrows don't seem to mind him though
> 
> still can't understand why they call him a red*bellied* woodpecker instead of 
> something likered-capped or red-crowned...
> 
> ann

One sparrow attacked him. Missed the shot as my buffer was full. I think they 
call this guy a Downey Woodpecker, but I haven't tried to match him up to the 
pics.
> 
>> On 10/23/2016 4:09 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
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Re: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

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> On Oct 23, 2016, at 5:48 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Great scene, well captured.
> 
> You don't invite woodpeckers?
> 
> 
Thanks, Dan. They eat my house. I figure that's enough for them. 

> 
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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

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On Sun, Oct 23, 2016, at 09:08 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> On 19/10/16, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
> >So, here's the black & white version:
> >
> >http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
> >
> >The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
> >
> >Thoughts?
> 
> The brightness seems way down to me - looks like you were shooting day
> for night ;-)


Thanks, Cotty. 

I think I've got a bit more work to do on that image.


Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

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Wonderful!

- Marco

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Re: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

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Great scene, well captured.

You don't invite woodpeckers?


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Re: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

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cute! The sparrows don't seem to mind him though

still can't understand why they call him a red*bellied* woodpecker 
instead of something likered-capped or red-crowned...


ann


On 10/23/2016 4:09 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

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RE: PESO - nude with her back to us

[Malcolm Smith]

Bruce Walker wrote:

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IiKw5Atrq1YM

Lovely image, as usual.

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Re: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

[Jack Davis]

Quality image, Paul!

J

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PESO - nude with her back to us

[Bruce Walker]

For those fans of b nudes.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IiKw5Atrq1YM

645z, 90mm/2.8, f/11, 1/125th sec, 400 ISO; handheld.
Window light only.

Model is Kristen Au.

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RE: PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

[Malcolm Smith]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

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That's brilliant Paul!

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PESO: Uninvited Dinner Guest

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Re: Happy Birthday, Ann!

[ann sanfedele]

On the upside of my birth date, Emily Dickenson and a couple of other 
admirable folk share it...  the date, not the precise year...


ann


On 10/23/2016 12:57 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
Ann, a lot of people who should have known better during the 1930's 
admired the First Leader of the Third Reich.
It's been remarked that if he had died in early 1939 instead of when 
he did, he'd be remembered as the man who rebuilt Germany and restored 
her to for front of the family of nations, abet at some cost to a few 
racial minorities.


You shouldn't hold poor Edward's bromance against him, or you'll have 
to hold it against FDR, Joe Kennedy, Lindbergh, and a host of others.  
Edward probably wasn't any worse than the average European at the 
time, it takes time to wake up from a spell, and not all wake up at 
the same time.  Not everyone can be Churchill.


On 10/23/2016 9:53 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

You got it, Igor

I used to like that idea a lot - so romantic! ,  but that was before 
I knew anything about Edward VIII being, well, maybe not such a nice 
guy.


ann


On 10/23/2016 12:19 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Did you mean that on the day of your birth, Edward VIII signed 
Instrument of Abdication, giving up British throne to marry Wallis 
Simpson?

;-)

Igor

http://www.onthisday.com/events/december/10



ann sanfedele Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:32:16 -0700 wrote:

nonono... DECEMBER 10th is my birthday - Dec 10th, 1936..


Do you Brits know what else happened that day? a tad more important 
historically than my birth... at least so far :-)



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RE: PESO: Early Morning Light

[Malcolm Smith]

Ken Waller wrote:

See, it does pay to get up early!
 Nice capture Malcolm.

Thanks Ken, and thanks Dan & Marco for your kind comments.

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Re: PESO - Selfie

[Marco Alpert]

Thanks, Ann. (I’ll take “Erwittian” any day.)

m



> On Oct 22, 2016, at 10:29 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I agree..   and this is a very Erwittian one, too.
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 10/22/2016 1:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>> Excellent, Marco, and really good timing for the list, too. :)
>> 
>> I can't help seeing similarities between this selfie-stick phenomenon
>> and narcissists with their mirrors.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso25.html
>>> 
>>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
>>> 
>>> -Marco
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Re: PESO - Selfie

[Marco Alpert]

Thanks, Malcolm. Much appreciated.

m

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
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> Marco Alpert wrote:
> 
> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso25.html
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> ===
> 
> Great image. I've seen one of these used outside of tourist areas here.
> 
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Re: PESO - Selfie

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>From the photo alone, certainly a possibility. But in this case, no.

m

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
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> It's not necessarily a selfie. Perhaps she is surreptitiously photographing 
> other people while they sneer at her shallow narcissism. Perhaps she is the 
> new Kertesz.
> 
> B
> 
>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 18:14, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Excellent, Marco, and really good timing for the list, too. :)
>> 
>> I can't help seeing similarities between this selfie-stick phenomenon
>> and narcissists with their mirrors.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso25.html
>>> 
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Re: PESO - Selfie

[Marco Alpert]

Thanks, Bruce. 

A digital pond of sorts.

m

> On Oct 22, 2016, at 10:13 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Excellent, Marco, and really good timing for the list, too. :)
> 
> I can't help seeing similarities between this selfie-stick phenomenon
> and narcissists with their mirrors.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso25.html
>> 
>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
>> 
>> -Marco
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Re: PESO: Early Morning Light

[Marco Alpert]

That’s really lovely. 

- Marco

> On Oct 23, 2016, at 4:14 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
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> Taken early this morning, still light frost on the grass and the Sun just
> climbing:   http://flic.kr/p/MwerEW
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Re: PESO: Early Morning Light

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Nice portrait of a handsome couple!

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 7:14 AM, Malcolm Smith 
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> Taken early this morning, still light frost on the grass and the Sun just
> climbing:   http://flic.kr/p/MwerEW
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Re: Happy Birthday, Ann!

[P.J. Alling]

Ann, a lot of people who should have known better during the 1930's 
admired the First Leader of the Third Reich.
It's been remarked that if he had died in early 1939 instead of when he 
did, he'd be remembered as the man who rebuilt Germany and restored her 
to for front of the family of nations, abet at some cost to a few racial 
minorities.


You shouldn't hold poor Edward's bromance against him, or you'll have to 
hold it against FDR, Joe Kennedy, Lindbergh, and a host of others.  
Edward probably wasn't any worse than the average European at the time, 
it takes time to wake up from a spell, and not all wake up at the same 
time.  Not everyone can be Churchill.


On 10/23/2016 9:53 AM, ann sanfedele wrote:

You got it, Igor

I used to like that idea a lot - so romantic! ,  but that was before I 
knew anything about Edward VIII being, well, maybe not such a nice guy.


ann


On 10/23/2016 12:19 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Did you mean that on the day of your birth, Edward VIII signed 
Instrument of Abdication, giving up British throne to marry Wallis 
Simpson?

;-)

Igor

http://www.onthisday.com/events/december/10



ann sanfedele Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:32:16 -0700 wrote:

nonono... DECEMBER 10th is my birthday - Dec 10th, 1936..


Do you Brits know what else happened that day? a tad more important 
historically than my birth... at least so far :-)



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Re: k-1 square crop test

[P.J. Alling]

Well, there you go screwing up my beautiful theory, with pesky facts.

On 10/23/2016 10:18 AM, Alex Sarbu wrote:

I've done some pseudo-investigation (actually, just opened a 1:1 RAW
in Silkypix and Pentax DCU).
They're saving the entire 3:2 frame, but with a tag for 1:1 cropping;
so you can recover the "extra" data - assuming your preferred image
processing software's crop tool supports this operation.
Silkypix does, and so does the Pentax DCU.

Of course, for JPEG there's nothing to recover.

Alex

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 3:11 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:

I'm sorry, I may have slandered the wrong group of idiots, the thread that
gave me a headache was on dpReview, the Pentax Fora thread was slightly
less, err, horrible...


On 10/23/2016 8:06 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:

I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little
research...

After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to
yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.

Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance on
the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many possible sub
atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.

Ultimately headache inducing.

Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason
rationally, whichever.

I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see any
particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the files
don't seem to be any smaller.

The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with the
APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know anything, I'll
assume that the firmware simply throws away anything outside the 24mmx24mm
square, much as it does the information outside the APS-C crop, so it's not
recoverable.

In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is probable
that the camera really is only reading the center crop portion.  I have no
actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are similar though not as great
performance improvements then I expect the same is true in this mode as in
APS-C.

One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient for
1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware update was
rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next release.  Either
that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the files are all on the
small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the normal range for biggish K-3
files, but you just didn't notice.

So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it isn't
there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real advantage to
using 1:1 crop mode*.


*I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.



On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried
photographing in square crop mode.

On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. two
people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, where they
leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any easy
way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off to either
side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I would have been
better off shooting uncropped.

If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it
would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more importantly in
the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a bunch of frames and
cropping them square.





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Re: PESO: Early Morning Light

[Ken Waller]

See, it does pay to get up early!
 Nice capture Malcolm.


-Original Message-
>From: Malcolm Smith 
>Sent: Oct 23, 2016 7:14 
>Subject: PESO: Early Morning Light
>
>Taken early this morning, still light frost on the grass and the Sun just
>climbing:   http://flic.kr/p/MwerEW
>
> 
>
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Re: k-1 square crop test

[Ken Waller]

Probably has more value for those shooting jpegs and not wanting to do any 
perfecting after capture.


-Original Message-
>From: Larry Colen 
>Subject: k-1 square crop test
>
>When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
>photographing in square crop mode.
>
>On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
>two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, where 
>they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
>On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
>easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off to 
>either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I would 
>have been better off shooting uncropped.
>
>If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it 
>would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more importantly 
>in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a bunch of frames 
>and cropping them square.
>
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RE: PESO: Early Morning Light

[Malcolm Smith]

Bruce Walker wrote:

Handsome subjects well composed in beautiful light, Malcolm.
Neighbors?  (Serious question; unintended pun.)

+++

Thank you Ann, Bruce & Jack,

Sadly not close to me. I walk or cycle every day (camera along for the
journey!), but on a Sunday  I do a longer walk which sometimes allows me
past fields with horses. My wife and I would love our own horse, and that
may be possible next year.

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Re: Happy Birthday, Ann!

[Jack Davis]

Yes, Happy Birthday, Ann!
Yes I know...I'm premature as usual.
J
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> Ah, well I hope you have a great day today and every day—may all the days be 
> birthday days :-)!  cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:30 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> nonono... DECEMBER 10th is my birthday - Dec 10th, 1936..
>> 
>> Do you Brits know what else happened that day?  a tad more important 
>> historically than my birth...  at least so far :-)
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/22/2016 7:25 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> Hope you had a great day, Ann.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> ++
>>> Brian Walters
>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sun, Oct 23, 2016, at 10:01 AM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Hope you had a great lunch at Angelina's with your buddies!
 John and Jan.
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OT - Video

[Christine Aguila]

Playful and fun!  We need some of that on this side of the pond :-)!  cheers, 
Christine


> On Oct 21, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> Some may find this amusing. Yesterday, a 'by-election' was held in a
> local constituency here in England, and I covered it for BBC News. A
> photographer friend was also there and produced this highly amusing
> video blog...
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Re: k-1 square crop test

[Jos from Holland]

I came to following observations:

1. With FF lens and K1 in 1:1 cropmode makes little sense as indicated
   by others.
2. With APS-C lens and K1 in 1:1 cropmode, there can be the advantage
   of using the whole image circle.
3. However, many lenses do not offer the whole image circle to the
   sensor. First, the tulip-shaped sun-hood  is optimized for maximum
   shading. This can result in an image circle of roughly 3:2.
4. My Sigma 8-18mm has this and the hood is fixed to the lens so cannot
   be taken off without damage.
5. Second, My Pentax-K 135mm/2.5 even w/o lenshood projects 3:2 on the
   sensor, due to build in window to reduce unwanted reflections. This
   is a FF lens, but I expect there will be APS-C lenses with a 3:2
   window too.
6. For the optical view finder, the cropmodes are only an overlay with
   thick border lines, with APS-C lens, this helps somewhat in judging
   what will be in the final image.
7. APS-C crop mode on the live view display, fills the screen with the
   image that will be recorded. That is better than the OVF
8. 1:1 crop mode (w APS-C lens) on live view display shows the image
   limited in horizontal direction by the crop mode and in vertical
   direction by the crop mode or by the lens, whichever is smaller.

Greetz, Jos

On 23-Oct-16 14:06, P.J. Alling wrote:
I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little 
research...


After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to 
yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.


Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance 
on the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many 
possible sub atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.


Ultimately headache inducing.

Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason 
rationally, whichever.


I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see 
any particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the 
files don't seem to be any smaller.


The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with 
the APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know 
anything, I'll assume that the firmware simply throws away anything 
outside the 24mmx24mm square, much as it does the information outside 
the APS-C crop, so it's not recoverable.


In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is 
probable that the camera really is only reading the center crop 
portion.  I have no actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are 
similar though not as great performance improvements then I expect the 
same is true in this mode as in APS-C.


One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient 
for 1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware 
update was rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next 
release.  Either that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the 
files are all on the small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the 
normal range for biggish K-3 files, but you just didn't notice.


So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it 
isn't there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real 
advantage to using 1:1 crop mode*.



*I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.



On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
photographing in square crop mode.


On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, 
where they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off 
to either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I 
would have been better off shooting uncropped.


If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) 
it would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more 
importantly in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a 
bunch of frames and cropping them square.







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Re: Happy Birthday, Ann!

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Ah, well I hope you have a great day today and every day—may all the days be 
birthday days :-)!  cheers, Christine



> On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:30 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> nonono... DECEMBER 10th is my birthday - Dec 10th, 1936..
> 
> Do you Brits know what else happened that day?  a tad more important 
> historically than my birth...  at least so far :-)
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 10/22/2016 7:25 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>> +1
>> 
>> Hope you had a great day, Ann.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016, at 10:01 AM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>> Hope you had a great lunch at Angelina's with your buddies!
>>> John and Jan.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Happy Birthday, Ann!

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Happy birthday, Ann!  Hope you had a great day!  Cheers, Christine


> On Oct 22, 2016, at 6:23 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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> Thanks much John, but that won't be until DECEMBER 10th  :-)
> 
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> 
> HOpe you are enjoying a visit with Mark and are not getting too drenched!
> 
> ann
> 
> 
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>> John and Jan.
>> 
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Re: PESO: Early Morning Light

[Bruce Walker]

Handsome subjects well composed in beautiful light, Malcolm.
Neighbors?  (Serious question; unintended pun.)

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Re: k-1 square crop test

[Alex Sarbu]

I've done some pseudo-investigation (actually, just opened a 1:1 RAW
in Silkypix and Pentax DCU).
They're saving the entire 3:2 frame, but with a tag for 1:1 cropping;
so you can recover the "extra" data - assuming your preferred image
processing software's crop tool supports this operation.
Silkypix does, and so does the Pentax DCU.

Of course, for JPEG there's nothing to recover.

Alex

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 3:11 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> I'm sorry, I may have slandered the wrong group of idiots, the thread that
> gave me a headache was on dpReview, the Pentax Fora thread was slightly
> less, err, horrible...
>
>
> On 10/23/2016 8:06 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>
>> I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little
>> research...
>>
>> After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to
>> yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.
>>
>> Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance on
>> the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many possible sub
>> atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.
>>
>> Ultimately headache inducing.
>>
>> Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason
>> rationally, whichever.
>>
>> I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see any
>> particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the files
>> don't seem to be any smaller.
>>
>> The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with the
>> APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know anything, I'll
>> assume that the firmware simply throws away anything outside the 24mmx24mm
>> square, much as it does the information outside the APS-C crop, so it's not
>> recoverable.
>>
>> In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is probable
>> that the camera really is only reading the center crop portion.  I have no
>> actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are similar though not as great
>> performance improvements then I expect the same is true in this mode as in
>> APS-C.
>>
>> One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient for
>> 1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware update was
>> rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next release.  Either
>> that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the files are all on the
>> small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the normal range for biggish K-3
>> files, but you just didn't notice.
>>
>> So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it isn't
>> there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real advantage to
>> using 1:1 crop mode*.
>>
>>
>> *I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
>>> When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried
>>> photographing in square crop mode.
>>>
>>> On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. two
>>> people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, where they
>>> leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
>>> On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any easy
>>> way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off to either
>>> side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I would have been
>>> better off shooting uncropped.
>>>
>>> If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it
>>> would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more importantly in
>>> the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a bunch of frames and
>>> cropping them square.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: PESO: Early Morning Light

[ann sanfedele]

That's lovely, Malcolm

ann


On 10/23/2016 7:14 AM, Malcolm Smith wrote:

Taken early this morning, still light frost on the grass and the Sun just
climbing:   http://flic.kr/p/MwerEW

  


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Re: Happy Birthday, Ann!

[ann sanfedele]

You got it, Igor

I used to like that idea a lot - so romantic! ,  but that was before I 
knew anything about Edward VIII being, well, maybe not such a nice guy.


ann


On 10/23/2016 12:19 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Did you mean that on the day of your birth, Edward VIII signed 
Instrument of Abdication, giving up British throne to marry Wallis 
Simpson?

;-)

Igor

http://www.onthisday.com/events/december/10



ann sanfedele Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:32:16 -0700 wrote:

nonono... DECEMBER 10th is my birthday - Dec 10th, 1936..


Do you Brits know what else happened that day? a tad more important 
historically than my birth... at least so far :-)



ann




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Re: k-1 square crop test

[P.J. Alling]

I'm sorry, I may have slandered the wrong group of idiots, the thread 
that gave me a headache was on dpReview, the Pentax Fora thread was 
slightly less, err, horrible...


On 10/23/2016 8:06 AM, P.J. Alling wrote:
I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little 
research...


After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to 
yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.


Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance 
on the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many 
possible sub atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.


Ultimately headache inducing.

Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason 
rationally, whichever.


I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see 
any particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the 
files don't seem to be any smaller.


The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with 
the APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know 
anything, I'll assume that the firmware simply throws away anything 
outside the 24mmx24mm square, much as it does the information outside 
the APS-C crop, so it's not recoverable.


In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is 
probable that the camera really is only reading the center crop 
portion.  I have no actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are 
similar though not as great performance improvements then I expect the 
same is true in this mode as in APS-C.


One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient 
for 1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware 
update was rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next 
release.  Either that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the 
files are all on the small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the 
normal range for biggish K-3 files, but you just didn't notice.


So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it 
isn't there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real 
advantage to using 1:1 crop mode*.



*I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.



On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
photographing in square crop mode.


On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, 
where they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off 
to either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I 
would have been better off shooting uncropped.


If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) 
it would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more 
importantly in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a 
bunch of frames and cropping them square.








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Re: k-1 square crop test

[P.J. Alling]

I know nothing about the 1:1 crop mode, so I decided to do a little 
research...


After reading the first few posts on a Pentax Fora thread, I wanted to 
yell at my computer screen: "IT'S CALLED AN IMAGE CIRCLE!"; idiots.


Like reading arguments by theologians about how many angels can dance on 
the head of a pin, or theoretical physicists, about how many possible 
sub atomic particles there are beyond the standard model.


Ultimately headache inducing.

Since I have no information let /me/ speculate wildly, or reason 
rationally, whichever.


I assume you're using a full frame lens on the K-1.  So I don't see any 
particular reason to use crop mode on the camera.  As you said the files 
don't seem to be any smaller.


The 1:1 crop mode is designed to allow more sensor surface use with the 
APS-C image circle, so once again, since I don't really know anything, 
I'll assume that the firmware simply throws away anything outside the 
24mmx24mm square, much as it does the information outside the APS-C 
crop, so it's not recoverable.


In fact given the performance improvements in APS-C mode, it is probable 
that the camera really is only reading the center crop portion.  I have 
no actual data on the 1:1 mode but if there are similar though not as 
great performance improvements then I expect the same is true in this 
mode as in APS-C.


One or maybe two more assumption(s), the encoding is less efficient for 
1:1 crop mode because the job to get it included in the firmware update 
was rushed, and the efficiency will be improved on the next release.  
Either that, or since it's storing ~24mp worth of data, the files are 
all on the small size for K-1 files and pretty much in the normal range 
for biggish K-3 files, but you just didn't notice.


So there you go, in crop mode the data isn't recoverable because it 
isn't there, and unless you're using an APS-C lens there's no real 
advantage to using 1:1 crop mode*.



*I pulled all of this out of my ass, and standard disclaimers apply.



On 10/23/2016 2:37 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
photographing in square crop mode.


On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, 
where they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off 
to either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I 
would have been better off shooting uncropped.


If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it 
would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more 
importantly in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a 
bunch of frames and cropping them square.





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Re: PESO: Early Morning Light

[Jack Davis]

Pleasing scene, Malcolm!

J

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> On Oct 23, 2016, at 4:14 AM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> Taken early this morning, still light frost on the grass and the Sun just
> climbing:   http://flic.kr/p/MwerEW
> 
> 
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PESO: Early Morning Light

[Malcolm Smith]

Taken early this morning, still light frost on the grass and the Sun just
climbing:   http://flic.kr/p/MwerEW

 

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Re: PESO - An Iconic Place

[Steve Cottrell]

On 19/10/16, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:

>So, here's the black & white version:
>
>http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP1804-K5-1-peso.html
>
>The colour one can be viewed using the right hand arrow at the top.
>
>Thoughts?

The brightness seems way down to me - looks like you were shooting day
for night ;-)

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Re: Happy Birthday, Ann!

[Bob W-PDML]

Indeed!

> On 23 Oct 2016, at 00:26, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> Hope you had a great day, Ann.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016, at 10:01 AM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>> Hope you had a great lunch at Angelina's with your buddies!
>> John and Jan.
>> 
>> 
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Re: PESO: Sexting in the last century

[Bob W-PDML]

I probably told you in an offlist chat.

B

> On 22 Oct 2016, at 23:19, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Nice! - Did you tel me (or list ) that before?
> 
> (Damn I forgot to show my postcard to my PDML visitors )
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 10/22/2016 4:35 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> He signed a copy of Museum-watching for me, dedicating it in Russian to a 
>> Russian friend of mine, to whom I then gave the book.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2016, at 21:14, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> BRuce, thanks for that link!
>>> 
>>> There are some among my very favorites of his.
>>> 
>>> He gave a quite large signed print of the one if his wife withthe baby and 
>>> cat to the husband of a close friend of mine who is a cinamatographer 
>>> (probably semi retired by now) who worked with him on a commerical back in 
>>> the day.  When I first went to there house and saw it and did a "oh wow"  
>>> my friend Rita said"oh yes, that was someone Carl worked for .." she 
>>> thought I was just admiring the photo, which she liked, but she didn't know 
>>> who he was :-( I think the
>>> 
>>> occasion was the birth of Carl and Rita's youngest child.
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 10/22/2016 1:48 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 And have a read of this blog article too:
 
 http://www.adammarelliphoto.com/2011/11/elliot-erwitt-at-icp/
 
 Great shots and advice too. (Like frequently revisiting older work.)
 
 
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:26 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> Yes, Dan ...  a few more iconic  ...
> 
> example - (I thought of both of these immediately)  Jackie Kennedy at 
> Jack's
> Funneral , for one
> 
> https://iconicphotos.wordpress.com/tag/elliot-erwitt/
> 
> The doggie pic writer refers to is...
> 
> http://www.hlphotogallery.com/new-arrivals-Elliott-Erwitt
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/22/2016 11:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Bruce Walker 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I love Erwitt.
>> Is there a more "iconic" image than this one?:
>> 
>> http://www.beetlesandhuxley.com/sites/default/files/stock-images/MARILYN-MONROE-NEW-YORK-1954-by-ELLIOTT-ERWITT-Born-1928-C30308.jpg
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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k-1 square crop test

[Larry Colen]

When I was photographing a seminar at the dojo today, I tried 
photographing in square crop mode.


On the bright side, it worked great for the photos that I was taking. 
two people practicing Aikido can nearly fill a square composition, where 
they leave a lot of the 3:2 frame empty.
On the down side, the raw files are no smaller. I also don't see any 
easy way of recovering (in lightroom) the image that was cropped off to 
either side, so the frames where someone's limb left the frame, I would 
have been better off shooting uncropped.


If the square crop gave us 24 MP square images (rather than 36 3:2) it 
would be awesome, it would save space on the card, and more importantly 
in the buffer. As it is, all it saves me is selecting a bunch of frames 
and cropping them square.


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