Re: PESO: Neglect

[David Mann]

I don't know if the structure supporting the rose window contributed to its 
collapse but I can see how that might have happened.  I suspect it would have 
done so anyway.

Your questions are pretty much spot on.  A building that survives one large 
quake might collapse in the next (as happened with the CTV building here).  If 
restored it will need some substantial engineering.  Definitely possible as 
they've been doing so with the Arts Centre.

As for how far gone it is, that's the subject of the very argument that's 
keeping it in its current state :)  I think the smallest number I've seen is 
about $70M NZD to restore.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Dec 25, 2016, at 1:39 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I'd like to see it restored as well, but a couple of things occur
> to me.
> 
> How far gone is it? I read that the structure that was supposed to
> stabilize the rose window contributed to its destruction in subsequent
> recent earthquakes.
> 
> And what about future earthquakes? Will a restored structure stand? Or
> will it have to be restored again and again? ... and at what cost?
> 
> Maybe a new one is the best answer.
> 
> On 12/22/2016 10:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> I have seen a number of these situations, and they always frustrate me.
>> 
>> Personally, I would like to see a building like that preserved.  I don't
>> own the buiding, however, the church does, and the church shouldn't be
>> forced to restore it.  If the well-meaning "preservationists" was to save
>> it, let them raise the money to buy the property and restore the building.
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David Mann  wrote:
>> 
>>> We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so
>>> it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in.  While my
>>> wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up
>>> in Cathedral Square.
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso
>>> 
>>> I shot this through a gate in the fence.
>>> 
>>> There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here.  The Anglican
>>> church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down
>>> and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made
>>> safe and restored on a reasonable budget.  Meanwhile the building continues
>>> to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers.  I'm actually
>>> surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave
> 
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Re: Happy Holidays! - GDG

[Marco Alpert]

Thanks Godfrey! Same to you. (So you're doing aerial drone photography now?)

m

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> To everyone,
> 
> A Merry Christmas, a Happy Hanukkah, and best wishes for all the other holy 
> days as well!
> And then to all, best wishes for the New Year to come! 
> 
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> 
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Re: Happy Holidays! - GDG

[Jack Davis]

Thanks, Godfrey! Same to you
plus, Happy Retirement!

J

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> To everyone,
> 
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> And then to all, best wishes for the New Year to come! 
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Re: lost and found

[John]

On 12/24/2016 2:49 PM, David J Brooks wrote:

a few weeks ago, maybe more, i brought my spypoint camera in for the
winter. It needed its batteries changed out but i did not have enough
AA's so i put the camera aside until such time i had some of the
aforementioned AA's. Staples had a sale on AA's that i like and i
stocked up, now i have no where to put said AA's as i cannot find the
camera. I have no idea where i put it aside.

Merry Xmas to me.

Dave



That happens. I'm currently missing a small point 'n shoot I remember
leaving in a coat pocket. Took the coat out the other day & the camera
wasn't in the pocket.

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Re: PESO: Neglect

[John]

Yeah, I'd like to see it restored as well, but a couple of things occur
to me.

How far gone is it? I read that the structure that was supposed to
stabilize the rose window contributed to its destruction in subsequent
recent earthquakes.

And what about future earthquakes? Will a restored structure stand? Or
will it have to be restored again and again? ... and at what cost?

Maybe a new one is the best answer.

On 12/22/2016 10:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I have seen a number of these situations, and they always frustrate me.

Personally, I would like to see a building like that preserved.  I don't
own the buiding, however, the church does, and the church shouldn't be
forced to restore it.  If the well-meaning "preservationists" was to save
it, let them raise the money to buy the property and restore the building.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David Mann  wrote:


We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so
it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in.  While my
wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up
in Cathedral Square.

http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso

I shot this through a gate in the fence.

There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here.  The Anglican
church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down
and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made
safe and restored on a reasonable budget.  Meanwhile the building continues
to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers.  I'm actually
surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them.

Cheers,
Dave



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Re: OT: "Right Way to Travel"

[Mark Roberts]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 13:03:27 -0500, you wrote:

>Anyone else getting inundated with emails from this outfit?
>Aimed at writers and photographers, it claims to give you credentials that
>provides you with travel benefits and discounts.  Not cheap at all, for
>what seem to be pretty elusive benefits.
>
>There is always a new scheme to get our money.
>
>http://www.thetravelwriterslife.com/itwpa/sale/fr/d2/

I don't think I've seen that one before but I've come across other
similar scams. Here's another scam outfit that offers to sell you
"press credentials" for $99.00 http://camerapixo.com/
I'm sure there are plenty more. All worthless.

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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Mark Roberts]

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 13:40:26 -0500, you wrote:

>On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Mark Roberts
> wrote:
>>
>> Still, we're planning on doing another Photo Annual for 2017. Start
>> getting your best images ready.
>
>Oh no! There's that elusive "best image" idea again, only multiplied. :)
>
>Mark, are you soliciting descriptive text again this year?

Definitely. I've found people really enjoy reading about photographs
that interest them.

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Happy Holidays! - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

To everyone,

A Merry Christmas, a Happy Hanukkah, and best wishes for all the other holy 
days as well!
And then to all, best wishes for the New Year to come! 

  https://flic.kr/p/QwC84D

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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Ken Waller]

I've learned a lot about photography from this group, and made some very 
good friends.


Yo MARK ! sounds like an apt seasonal MARK !

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W-PDML" 

Subject: Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone


I joined in '97 I think, after my LX had failed me in Ethiopia (but backed 
up by a MX and a Super-A) and I wanted to know what was going on. I've 
learned a lot about photography from this group, and made some very good 
friends.


I haven't aged at all.

Joyeuses f?tes!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystical_Nativity#/media/File%3AMystic_Nativity%2C_Sandro_Botticelli.jpg

B

On 24 Dec 2016, at 15:21, Rick Womer 
> wrote:


I enjoyed looking through the PUG archive, too. The earliest entry of
mine I could find was February 2005.

I bought my first Pentax (a Super Program) when our daughter was a
year old, in 1989. I found the PDML shortly after, and participated
via my CompuServe email. Then there was a hiatus of several years.
Mark!'s partner Lisa and I know each other through work for the
Children's Oncology Group, and after a meeting (in Hilton Head?
Atlanta? Someplace southern) she introduced me to Mark!. He gave me
the current PDML info, and I rejoined; I think that was in the late
1990s. I was younger then, too.

Happy holidays, one and all.

Rick
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lost and found

[David J Brooks]

a few weeks ago, maybe more, i brought my spypoint camera in for the
winter. It needed its batteries changed out but i did not have enough
AA's so i put the camera aside until such time i had some of the
aforementioned AA's. Staples had a sale on AA's that i like and i
stocked up, now i have no where to put said AA's as i cannot find the
camera. I have no idea where i put it aside.

Merry Xmas to me.

Dave

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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Bob W-PDML]

On 24 Dec 2016, at 19:45, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/24/2016 12:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Mark Roberts
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Still, we're planning on doing another Photo Annual for 2017. Start
>>> getting your best images ready.
>> 
>> Oh no! There's that elusive "best image" idea again, only multiplied. :)
>> 
>> Mark, are you soliciting descriptive text again this year?
>> 
> 
> Most of your work is best limited to descriptive text to maintain family 
> friendliness. :)

I thought he was offering Mark to talk dirty to him.



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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Bill]

On 12/24/2016 12:40 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:


Still, we're planning on doing another Photo Annual for 2017. Start
getting your best images ready.


Oh no! There's that elusive "best image" idea again, only multiplied. :)

Mark, are you soliciting descriptive text again this year?



Most of your work is best limited to descriptive text to maintain family 
friendliness. :)


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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Bruce Walker]

Looks like my posts to the list itself began in early May 2008, though
I know I lurked for quite a while before that.

And apparently my first PUG entry wasn't until Jan 2009:

  http://pug.komkon.org/09jan/slides/IMGP3138.html

But I was on time to make it into the first PDML Annual, with that
same shot. And I've been in all subsequent ones.


On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Collin B  wrote:
> Since people stay around here a long time I started to wonder ...
> Who is the youngest member here? And who is the senior member?
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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Bruce Walker]

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 11:11 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
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> Still, we're planning on doing another Photo Annual for 2017. Start
> getting your best images ready.

Oh no! There's that elusive "best image" idea again, only multiplied. :)

Mark, are you soliciting descriptive text again this year?

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Re: PESO: Little Hotties

[Ken Waller]

I' be used a different brand and am amazed how long they remain warm.


-Original Message-
>From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>Subject: PESO: Little Hotties
>
>It was brutally cold last weekend.  fortunately, I had some little hotties
>to ep me warm.
>
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18325764=lg
>
>
>Dan Matyola
>
>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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OT: "Right Way to Travel"

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Anyone else getting inundated with emails from this outfit?
Aimed at writers and photographers, it claims to give you credentials that
provides you with travel benefits and discounts.  Not cheap at all, for
what seem to be pretty elusive benefits.

There is always a new scheme to get our money.

http://www.thetravelwriterslife.com/itwpa/sale/fr/d2/

Matyola
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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

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> On 24 December 2016 at 16:03 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> I joined in '97 I think, after my LX had failed me in Ethiopia (but backed up
> by a MX and a Super-A) and I wanted to know what was going on. I've learned a
> lot about photography from this group, and made some very good friends.
> 
> I haven't aged at all.
> 
> Joyeuses f?tes!
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystical_Nativity#/media/File%3AMystic_Nativity%2C_Sandro_Botticelli.jpg

I think you were earlier than that.  I joined shortly after obtaining an ME
Super, in 1995/6, and you were here then.

Here's the modern nativity.
https://youtu.be/H965m0Hkk5M

And a sincere message from the frostpit.
https://youtu.be/fQZIXL5Y8GA
(You'll [pardon me] need to enable English subtitles to get the full message, if
not a native speaker)

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Re: PESO: Little Hotties

[Jack Davis]

Reminds me of the comedian who
said he and his wife had bought a waterbed and her side froze.

J

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> On Dec 24, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/24/2016 10:44 AM, Alan C wrote:
>> That's an amazing invention. Now, all we need are big coldies!
> 
> A friend of mine has an ex wife like that.
> 
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Re: PESO: Little Hotties

[Jack Davis]

Beer comes that way!

J

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> On Dec 24, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> That's an amazing invention. Now, all we need are big coldies!
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 6:19 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: PESO: Little Hotties
> 
> It was brutally cold last weekend.  fortunately, I had some little hotties
> to ep me warm.
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18325764=lg
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO: Little Hotties

[Bill]

On 12/24/2016 10:44 AM, Alan C wrote:

That's an amazing invention. Now, all we need are big coldies!




A friend of mine has an ex wife like that.



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Re: PESO: Little Hotties

[Alan C]

That's an amazing invention. Now, all we need are big coldies!

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 6:19 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO: Little Hotties

It was brutally cold last weekend.  fortunately, I had some little hotties
to ep me warm.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18325764=lg


Dan Matyola

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PESO: Little Hotties

[Daniel J. Matyola]

It was brutally cold last weekend.  fortunately, I had some little hotties
to ep me warm.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18325764=lg


Dan Matyola

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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Bob W-PDML]

I joined in '97 I think, after my LX had failed me in Ethiopia (but backed up 
by a MX and a Super-A) and I wanted to know what was going on. I've learned a 
lot about photography from this group, and made some very good friends.

I haven't aged at all.

Joyeuses f?tes!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mystical_Nativity#/media/File%3AMystic_Nativity%2C_Sandro_Botticelli.jpg

B

On 24 Dec 2016, at 15:21, Rick Womer 
> wrote:

I enjoyed looking through the PUG archive, too. The earliest entry of
mine I could find was February 2005.

I bought my first Pentax (a Super Program) when our daughter was a
year old, in 1989. I found the PDML shortly after, and participated
via my CompuServe email. Then there was a hiatus of several years.
Mark!'s partner Lisa and I know each other through work for the
Children's Oncology Group, and after a meeting (in Hilton Head?
Atlanta? Someplace southern) she introduced me to Mark!. He gave me
the current PDML info, and I rejoined; I think that was in the late
1990s. I was younger then, too.

Happy holidays, one and all.

Rick
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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Rick Womer]

I enjoyed looking through the PUG archive, too. The earliest entry of
mine I could find was February 2005.

I bought my first Pentax (a Super Program) when our daughter was a
year old, in 1989. I found the PDML shortly after, and participated
via my CompuServe email. Then there was a hiatus of several years.
Mark!'s partner Lisa and I know each other through work for the
Children's Oncology Group, and after a meeting (in Hilton Head?
Atlanta? Someplace southern) she introduced me to Mark!. He gave me
the current PDML info, and I rejoined; I think that was in the late
1990s. I was younger then, too.

Happy holidays, one and all.

Rick
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On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 6:59 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> The earliest PUG entry I find is my March, 2000 pic of a Hawaiian waterfall, 
> clumsily composed. I had recently joined the PDML to learn more about the M42 
> cameras and my beloved Spotmatics. I thought I had an earlier entry -- a shot 
> of a woman on Canal Street called "Plastic Land," but I can't find it.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Dec 23, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>> On 24/12/16, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>
 If anyone wants to spend a bit of ideal time during the holidays, you
 can spend an hour or so perusing the old galleries,  You'll find the
 complete PUG here, all the way back to April 1997:

 http://pug.komkon.org/general/pastgalleries.html
>>>
>>> Cool - thanks for posting - had a look at the first few years. My first
>>> pic was in February of 2001 but pretty sure I found the list and started
>>> lurking late 1998. I was looking for info on re-celling a Pentax LX
>>> motor drive and dear Rob Studdert pointed me to one of his web pages
>>> detailing just such info.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That, of course, should have been 'idle time' in my post
>>
>> As near as I can tell my first PUG submission was a pretty poor effort
>> for 'Opposites' in November 2007.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
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Peso-Redtail Hawk

[Jack Davis]

Redtail hawk..from below.

Sacramento Refuge 

150-450

C?

J

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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Paul Stenquist]

The earliest PUG entry I find is my March, 2000 pic of a Hawaiian waterfall, 
clumsily composed. I had recently joined the PDML to learn more about the M42 
cameras and my beloved Spotmatics. I thought I had an earlier entry -- a shot 
of a woman on Canal Street called "Plastic Land," but I can't find it. 

Paul via phone

> On Dec 23, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> On 24/12/16, Brian Walters, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> If anyone wants to spend a bit of ideal time during the holidays, you
>>> can spend an hour or so perusing the old galleries,  You'll find the
>>> complete PUG here, all the way back to April 1997:
>>> 
>>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/pastgalleries.html
>> 
>> Cool - thanks for posting - had a look at the first few years. My first
>> pic was in February of 2001 but pretty sure I found the list and started
>> lurking late 1998. I was looking for info on re-celling a Pentax LX
>> motor drive and dear Rob Studdert pointed me to one of his web pages
>> detailing just such info.
>> 
> 
> 
> That, of course, should have been 'idle time' in my post
> 
> As near as I can tell my first PUG submission was a pretty poor effort
> for 'Opposites' in November 2007.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> 
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Re: And an annual happy birthday to everyone

[Steve Cottrell]

On 23/12/16, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

>height of the transition between film and digital
>(probably beginning with the Canon D30, which appeared in late
>200/early 2001,

I lusted after one but waited for the D60 which doubled the MP count to
6 ! It cost me 3000 GBP !!!

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