date:20181222

FWIW, I did eventually post the image as a PESO, although no one here appears to 
have noticed.


https://flic.kr/p/2ceSwMr

On 12/23/2018 00:42:36, Bruce Nagel wrote:

On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 12:00:04PM -0500, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Without images to prove it, we don't believe a thing you say!


MARK!



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On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 11:40 AM John  wrote:


Or more likely some kind of mix of sleet & snow that's white and a couple
of
inches deep. It's wet & heavy. I've already heard idiots out playing with
their
4WD vehicles this morning so I expect the power to go out soon.

It was so quiet around 5 am that it woke me up, so I do have a photo or
two, but
I don't know if the power will stay on long enough for me to process them
and
get them up on flickr.

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Re: I don't understand...still...


Yeah sure. Blame it on autocorrect.

On 12/22/2018 23:16:35, Larry Colen wrote:

Damn! That was an unfortunate autocorrect..

It was supposed to be that Rick is as *wise* as he is good looking.

l...@red4est.com wrote on 12/22/18 7:12 PM:

Rick, it sounds like you're as wide as you are good looking.

On December 22, 2018 6:16:56 PM PST, Rick Womer  wrote:

Godders, the plist idea is great. I’ve had those things cause trouble
before.

Larry, I have a 500 gb SDD in the computer. My photos are on a 2 tb
external. I have Time Machine backups to a 4 tb drive and a 2 tb, and
to
Backblaze.

Cyber-distrustful? Me???

Rick

On Sat, Dec 22




Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 12/22/18 3:59 PM:

I really don't see why you're thinking Rick needs a hard drive, a

massive copy of his system to another drive, or anything like that.

The

Lightroom executable, or perhaps just its preferences files, has

become

damaged. Uninstalling it and installing a fresh copy should fix it

just

fine without all that palaver.

I don't think that he needs to.  I think that it is a fairly low cost
way to simultaneously attack the problem and give him a comprehensive
backup of his system, and possibly upgrade his computer's hard drive
before it fails.  It's one of those tasks that depending on how you

do

it could only take a little of interactive time, while letting the
computer churn for hours in the background.




That is a thought, Rick: preferences…

Lightroom stores its preferences in a .plist file at:
    ~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Lightroom6.plist
You can use the Finder's "Go > Go to folder…" command, input that,

and

it will take you right there. It's possible that when the app got the

news

from Adobe that the Maps module was no longer accessible, it tried to

write

that file and messed it up. If you just delete that file, Lightroom

will

recreate it and should run properly at its new-install defaults.

You'll

have to recreate your app preferences settings.


It's worth a shot, and is otherwise non-destructive. Just move the

one

that's there to the Desktop, start Lightroom, and see what happens. A

new

file will be created, and LR should run correctly but without

whatever

customizations you've set up. If it doesn't, just move the old one

back.


G


On Dec 22, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:



Rick Womer wrote on 12/22/18 2:07 PM:

Thanks much, Godfrey. I’ll give it a try (post Xmas) and let you

know

how it goes.


I don't know how big your hard drive is, but with external drives

down

under $40/TB  this might be a good time to buy an external drive and

copy

your applications folder, your home folder, raw files and catalogs to

it.


If you were completely insane, you could just put a new internal

drive

in your computer, get an external case for your old drive, and just

do a

completely clean install of OS, apps, etc. and then copy your data

over to

the new machine and use your current drive as a complete backup. Once

the

dust settles, keep it at a friends house as a offsite backup.






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Re: I don't understand...still...

I don't know that he does need all that, but if I was worried about possibly 
screwing up my system I'd want a backup from which to restore it to the state it 
was in before I began mucking about with it.


And if I was worried about corrupting data that I had saved, I'd make a copy of 
that data before taking the chance.


He may not need that, but he may want it.

On 12/22/2018 18:59:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I really don't see why you're thinking Rick needs a hard drive, a massive
copy of his system to another drive, or anything like that. The Lightroom
executable, or perhaps just its preferences files, has become damaged.
Uninstalling it and installing a fresh copy should fix it just fine without
all that palaver.

That is a thought, Rick: preferences…

Lightroom stores its preferences in a .plist file at: 
~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Lightroom6.plist You can use the Finder's "Go

> Go to folder…" command, input that, and it will take you right there. It's
possible that when the app got the news from Adobe that the Maps module was
no longer accessible, it tried to write that file and messed it up. If you
just delete that file, Lightroom will recreate it and should run properly at
its new-install defaults. You'll have to recreate your app preferences
settings.

It's worth a shot, and is otherwise non-destructive. Just move the one that's
there to the Desktop, start Lightroom, and see what happens. A new file will
be created, and LR should run correctly but without whatever customizations
you've set up. If it doesn't, just move the old one back.

G


On Dec 22, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:



Rick Womer wrote on 12/22/18 2:07 PM:

Thanks much, Godfrey. I’ll give it a try (post Xmas) and let you know how
it goes.


I don't know how big your hard drive is, but with external drives down
under $40/TB  this might be a good time to buy an external drive and copy
your applications folder, your home folder, raw files and catalogs to it.

If you were completely insane, you could just put a new internal drive in
your computer, get an external case for your old drive, and just do a
completely clean install of OS, apps, etc. and then copy your data over to
the new machine and use your current drive as a complete backup. Once the
dust settles, keep it at a friends house as a offsite backup.






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Re: We've got snow!

2018-12-22 Thread Bruce Nagel


On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 12:00:04PM -0500, pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote:
On Sun, 9 Dec Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Without images to prove it, we don't believe a thing you say!


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On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 11:40 AM John  wrote:


Or more likely some kind of mix of sleet & snow that's white and a couple
of
inches deep. It's wet & heavy. I've already heard idiots out playing with
their
4WD vehicles this morning so I expect the power to go out soon.

It was so quiet around 5 am that it woke me up, so I do have a photo or
two, but
I don't know if the power will stay on long enough for me to process them
and
get them up on flickr.

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Re: I don't understand...still...


Damn! That was an unfortunate autocorrect..

It was supposed to be that Rick is as *wise* as he is good looking.

l...@red4est.com wrote on 12/22/18 7:12 PM:

Rick, it sounds like you're as wide as you are good looking.

On December 22, 2018 6:16:56 PM PST, Rick Womer  wrote:

Godders, the plist idea is great. I’ve had those things cause trouble
before.

Larry, I have a 500 gb SDD in the computer. My photos are on a 2 tb
external. I have Time Machine backups to a 4 tb drive and a 2 tb, and
to
Backblaze.

Cyber-distrustful? Me???

Rick

On Sat, Dec 22




Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 12/22/18 3:59 PM:

I really don't see why you're thinking Rick needs a hard drive, a

massive copy of his system to another drive, or anything like that.

The

Lightroom executable, or perhaps just its preferences files, has

become

damaged. Uninstalling it and installing a fresh copy should fix it

just

fine without all that palaver.

I don't think that he needs to.  I think that it is a fairly low cost
way to simultaneously attack the problem and give him a comprehensive
backup of his system, and possibly upgrade his computer's hard drive
before it fails.  It's one of those tasks that depending on how you

do

it could only take a little of interactive time, while letting the
computer churn for hours in the background.




That is a thought, Rick: preferences…

Lightroom stores its preferences in a .plist file at:
~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Lightroom6.plist
You can use the Finder's "Go > Go to folder…" command, input that,

and

it will take you right there. It's possible that when the app got the

news

from Adobe that the Maps module was no longer accessible, it tried to

write

that file and messed it up. If you just delete that file, Lightroom

will

recreate it and should run properly at its new-install defaults.

You'll

have to recreate your app preferences settings.


It's worth a shot, and is otherwise non-destructive. Just move the

one

that's there to the Desktop, start Lightroom, and see what happens. A

new

file will be created, and LR should run correctly but without

whatever

customizations you've set up. If it doesn't, just move the old one

back.


G


On Dec 22, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:



Rick Womer wrote on 12/22/18 2:07 PM:

Thanks much, Godfrey. I’ll give it a try (post Xmas) and let you

know

how it goes.


I don't know how big your hard drive is, but with external drives

down

under $40/TB  this might be a good time to buy an external drive and

copy

your applications folder, your home folder, raw files and catalogs to

it.


If you were completely insane, you could just put a new internal

drive

in your computer, get an external case for your old drive, and just

do a

completely clean install of OS, apps, etc. and then copy your data

over to

the new machine and use your current drive as a complete backup. Once

the

dust settles, keep it at a friends house as a offsite backup.






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Re: I don't understand...still...

2018-12-22 Thread lrc

Rick, it sounds like you're as wide as you are good looking.

On December 22, 2018 6:16:56 PM PST, Rick Womer  wrote:
>Godders, the plist idea is great. I’ve had those things cause trouble
>before.
>
>Larry, I have a 500 gb SDD in the computer. My photos are on a 2 tb
>external. I have Time Machine backups to a 4 tb drive and a 2 tb, and
>to
>Backblaze.
>
>Cyber-distrustful? Me???
>
>Rick
>
>On Sat, Dec 22
>
>>
>>
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 12/22/18 3:59 PM:
>> > I really don't see why you're thinking Rick needs a hard drive, a
>> massive copy of his system to another drive, or anything like that.
>The
>> Lightroom executable, or perhaps just its preferences files, has
>become
>> damaged. Uninstalling it and installing a fresh copy should fix it
>just
>> fine without all that palaver.
>>
>> I don't think that he needs to.  I think that it is a fairly low cost
>> way to simultaneously attack the problem and give him a comprehensive
>> backup of his system, and possibly upgrade his computer's hard drive
>> before it fails.  It's one of those tasks that depending on how you
>do
>> it could only take a little of interactive time, while letting the
>> computer churn for hours in the background.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > That is a thought, Rick: preferences…
>> >
>> > Lightroom stores its preferences in a .plist file at:
>> >~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Lightroom6.plist
>> > You can use the Finder's "Go > Go to folder…" command, input that,
>and
>> it will take you right there. It's possible that when the app got the
>news
>> from Adobe that the Maps module was no longer accessible, it tried to
>write
>> that file and messed it up. If you just delete that file, Lightroom
>will
>> recreate it and should run properly at its new-install defaults.
>You'll
>> have to recreate your app preferences settings.
>> >
>> > It's worth a shot, and is otherwise non-destructive. Just move the
>one
>> that's there to the Desktop, start Lightroom, and see what happens. A
>new
>> file will be created, and LR should run correctly but without
>whatever
>> customizations you've set up. If it doesn't, just move the old one
>back.
>> >
>> > G
>> >
>> >> On Dec 22, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Rick Womer wrote on 12/22/18 2:07 PM:
>> >>> Thanks much, Godfrey. I’ll give it a try (post Xmas) and let you
>know
>> how it goes.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know how big your hard drive is, but with external drives
>down
>> under $40/TB  this might be a good time to buy an external drive and
>copy
>> your applications folder, your home folder, raw files and catalogs to
>it.
>> >>
>> >> If you were completely insane, you could just put a new internal
>drive
>> in your computer, get an external case for your old drive, and just
>do a
>> completely clean install of OS, apps, etc. and then copy your data
>over to
>> the new machine and use your current drive as a complete backup. Once
>the
>> dust settles, keep it at a friends house as a offsite backup.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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Re: I don't understand...still...

2018-12-22 Thread Rick Womer

Godders, the plist idea is great. I’ve had those things cause trouble
before.

Larry, I have a 500 gb SDD in the computer. My photos are on a 2 tb
external. I have Time Machine backups to a 4 tb drive and a 2 tb, and to
Backblaze.

Cyber-distrustful? Me???

Rick

On Sat, Dec 22

>
>
> Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 12/22/18 3:59 PM:
> > I really don't see why you're thinking Rick needs a hard drive, a
> massive copy of his system to another drive, or anything like that. The
> Lightroom executable, or perhaps just its preferences files, has become
> damaged. Uninstalling it and installing a fresh copy should fix it just
> fine without all that palaver.
>
> I don't think that he needs to.  I think that it is a fairly low cost
> way to simultaneously attack the problem and give him a comprehensive
> backup of his system, and possibly upgrade his computer's hard drive
> before it fails.  It's one of those tasks that depending on how you do
> it could only take a little of interactive time, while letting the
> computer churn for hours in the background.
>
>
> >
> > That is a thought, Rick: preferences…
> >
> > Lightroom stores its preferences in a .plist file at:
> >~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Lightroom6.plist
> > You can use the Finder's "Go > Go to folder…" command, input that, and
> it will take you right there. It's possible that when the app got the news
> from Adobe that the Maps module was no longer accessible, it tried to write
> that file and messed it up. If you just delete that file, Lightroom will
> recreate it and should run properly at its new-install defaults. You'll
> have to recreate your app preferences settings.
> >
> > It's worth a shot, and is otherwise non-destructive. Just move the one
> that's there to the Desktop, start Lightroom, and see what happens. A new
> file will be created, and LR should run correctly but without whatever
> customizations you've set up. If it doesn't, just move the old one back.
> >
> > G
> >
> >> On Dec 22, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rick Womer wrote on 12/22/18 2:07 PM:
> >>> Thanks much, Godfrey. I’ll give it a try (post Xmas) and let you know
> how it goes.
> >>
> >> I don't know how big your hard drive is, but with external drives down
> under $40/TB  this might be a good time to buy an external drive and copy
> your applications folder, your home folder, raw files and catalogs to it.
> >>
> >> If you were completely insane, you could just put a new internal drive
> in your computer, get an external case for your old drive, and just do a
> completely clean install of OS, apps, etc. and then copy your data over to
> the new machine and use your current drive as a complete backup. Once the
> dust settles, keep it at a friends house as a offsite backup.
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: OT: Fashion Photographer accused of exploiting models

2018-12-22 Thread Jostein

Or given most of the world's proclivity for a certain team sport, a 
boron buckyball. Which has more corners, but less cool name.


Jostein

Den 22.12.2018 19:37, skrev John:
Not exactly round but close enough for government work (given plate 
tectonics & such) - Rhombicosidodecahedron. It's got 60 corners.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombicosidodecahedron



On 12/22/2018 10:16:59, P. J. Alling wrote:
Just because it's round doesn't mean it can't have corners in some 
oddly specified geometry or other... I don't know of one but that 
doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


On 12/22/2018 5:46 AM, Alan C wrote:

Isn't the Earth supposed to be round?

Alan C

On 22-Dec-18 11:15 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Not for this particular, misbegotten corner of the world.

That description might be fitting for my corner as well.

B.
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mike wilson , 22 Ara 2018 Cmt, 11:38
tarihinde şunu yazdı:

Not for this particular, misbegotten corner of the world.

On 22 December 2018 at 06:55 Bulent Celasun 
 wrote:



This works:
https://tinyurl.com/yatzc93g






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Re: I don't understand...still...

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote on 12/22/18 3:59 PM:

I really don't see why you're thinking Rick needs a hard drive, a massive copy
of his system to another drive, or anything like that. The Lightroom
executable, or perhaps just its preferences files, has become damaged.
Uninstalling it and installing a fresh copy should fix it just fine without all
that palaver.

I don't think that he needs to. I think that it is a fairly low cost
way to simultaneously attack the problem and give him a comprehensive
backup of his system, and possibly upgrade his computer's hard drive
before it fails. It's one of those tasks that depending on how you do
it could only take a little of interactive time, while letting the
computer churn for hours in the background.

That is a thought, Rick: preferences…

Lightroom stores its preferences in a .plist file at:
~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Lightroom6.plist
You can use the Finder's "Go > Go to folder…" command, input that, and it will
take you right there. It's possible that when the app got the news from Adobe that the Maps
module was no longer accessible, it tried to write that file and messed it up. If you just
delete that file, Lightroom will recreate it and should run properly at its new-install
defaults. You'll have to recreate your app preferences settings.

It's worth a shot, and is otherwise non-destructive. Just move the one that's
there to the Desktop, start Lightroom, and see what happens. A new file will be
created, and LR should run correctly but without whatever customizations you've
set up. If it doesn't, just move the old one back.

On Dec 22, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Rick Womer wrote on 12/22/18 2:07 PM:

Thanks much, Godfrey. I’ll give it a try (post Xmas) and let you know how it
goes.

I don't know how big your hard drive is, but with external drives down under
$40/TB this might be a good time to buy an external drive and copy your
applications folder, your home folder, raw files and catalogs to it.

If you were completely insane, you could just put a new internal drive in your
computer, get an external case for your old drive, and just do a completely
clean install of OS, apps, etc. and then copy your data over to the new machine
and use your current drive as a complete backup. Once the dust settles, keep it
at a friends house as a offsite backup.

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Re: I don't understand...still...

2018-12-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

I really don't see why you're thinking Rick needs a hard drive, a massive copy 
of his system to another drive, or anything like that. The Lightroom 
executable, or perhaps just its preferences files, has become damaged. 
Uninstalling it and installing a fresh copy should fix it just fine without all 
that palaver. 

That is a thought, Rick: preferences… 

Lightroom stores its preferences in a .plist file at: 
  ~/Library/Preferences/com.adobe.Lightroom6.plist 
You can use the Finder's "Go > Go to folder…" command, input that, and it will 
take you right there. It's possible that when the app got the news from Adobe 
that the Maps module was no longer accessible, it tried to write that file and 
messed it up. If you just delete that file, Lightroom will recreate it and 
should run properly at its new-install defaults. You'll have to recreate your 
app preferences settings. 

It's worth a shot, and is otherwise non-destructive. Just move the one that's 
there to the Desktop, start Lightroom, and see what happens. A new file will be 
created, and LR should run correctly but without whatever customizations you've 
set up. If it doesn't, just move the old one back. 

G

> On Dec 22, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Rick Womer wrote on 12/22/18 2:07 PM:
>> Thanks much, Godfrey. I’ll give it a try (post Xmas) and let you know how it 
>> goes.
> 
> I don't know how big your hard drive is, but with external drives down under 
> $40/TB  this might be a good time to buy an external drive and copy your 
> applications folder, your home folder, raw files and catalogs to it.
> 
> If you were completely insane, you could just put a new internal drive in 
> your computer, get an external case for your old drive, and just do a 
> completely clean install of OS, apps, etc. and then copy your data over to 
> the new machine and use your current drive as a complete backup. Once the 
> dust settles, keep it at a friends house as a offsite backup.

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Re: PESO - a framed photo by...?

2018-12-22 Thread ann sanfedele

Ken - it is clear you are right...  though the photo of the photo I 
showed you guys is askew.. there are other bits in other party goes 
photos...
Also, given the size my friend has and the prices for a framed numbered 
and signed print on his web page of that specific shot The ID of the

work my friend has is solved..

But two other photographers have been credited with what looks like an 
exact photo on the web  I'm not thinking the other photographers
plagerized Mangelsen's  work or claimed they or he or she took it, but 
that multiple mistakes have been made in attribution.


Ken - there are cases on line of that exact photo being attributed to 
two other photogs - not "similar"  - perhaps because all three are noted for
their photos taken in Churchill - perhaps a lot of innocent 
misattribution by deduction, as it were.


When I've googled my name in the image google search, lots of photos 
appear that were neither taken by me or are photso OF me  - of course I know
which are mine and which photos I'm in, but someone doing sloppy 
research might put my name on someone elses work, then someone sees that 
and continiues the myth.


I|m really glad you knew for sure... and I am familiar with his work, 
too, but not to the extent you are - seen some interviews and such on 
PBS for instance..


To me, the photo is not one of his best by a large margin.. too static 
and a bit too cutsie-pie for me... which goes along with my opinion of

deceased friends taste in general.

ann

On 12/22/2018 12:46 AM, Ken Waller wrote:
Its a Mangelsen photo. All the photos in his galleries are by him. He 
had galleries in several cities (I've been to his galleries in Santa 
Barbara, Ca., Jackson Hole ,Wy. and in the Pittsburgh Airport). His 
were the best photographic galleries I've ever had the pleasure of 
visiting.


I just don't see the three** of them standing tripod to tripod to 
tripod photographing the same trio of bears. So who plagiarized whom?


There's no plagiarizing going on here IMO. Mangelsen and Ward are well 
known outdoor photogs and travel extensively to capture the images 
they seek. Polar bears are a favorite subject for alot of outdoor 
photographers and are photographed in numerous place. Just because 
similar images are taken by several photographers doesn't mean there 
is any plagiarizing going on - except maybe from the first photog to 
show a polar bear image like "Winter Solace". As far as I know, 
Mangelsen was the first pro photog to shown a Grizzly bear at Brooks 
Falls in Katmai Alaska, with a salmon jumping into its mouth. All 
similar shots like his have been called the Mangelsen shot by other pros.


Finally, that's a mighty cheap looking frame for an image that sold 
for so much.


As noted on the Mangelsen web page, he offers the image in 8 different 
display options from framed to canvas only.


A limited edition print should also be signed & numbered, usually on 
the mat.


According to Mangelsen's web page - "All Mangelsen limited edition 
photographs are assigned a unique number and hand-signed by the 
artist. Each photograph includes a certificate of authenticity".



Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "John" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: PESO - a framed photo by...?


I note that Mangelsen Gallery doesn't identify a photographer, but 
presumably if
another photographer had taken it, the gallery would attribute it to 
them, so it

"must" have been taken by Thomas Mangelsen. ???

That raises more questions than it answers.

We now have three versions of the same image (one a mirror copy) 
supposedly

taken by Thomas Mangelsen, Kennan Ward and/or Tom & Pat Leeson.

I just don't see the three** of them standing tripod to tripod to tripod
photographing the same trio of bears. So who plagiarized whom?

I still wonder how the two versions of the image came to be mirrored 
and was it
taken in Churchill in Manitoba or at ANWR in Alaska ... or somewhere 
else? But

that's the least of the questions I have about the image.

Another thing ... if it was purchased from Mangelsen Gallery, there 
should be a
label on the back, especially if it's a limited edition print 
(certificate of

authenticity?). A limited edition print should also be signed & numbered,
usually on the mat.

Finally, that's a mighty cheap looking frame for an image that sold 
for so much.


On 12/19/2018 22:49:33, ann sanfedele wrote:
John - Ken wrote me off list - I didnt realise he had not sent his 
reply to the list.. As a result of his correct ID I replied...


Third attribution today... I think you have the right answer -- The 
price adds up to what friend 1 paid for it


https://www.mangelsen.com/platinum-level-images/winter-solace-2446.html

and who was it that noted that it could have been taken on a photo 
outing in in Churchill - I knew (or felt certain that was where it 
was taken)


thanks, Ken

ann

On 12/19/2018

Re: I don't understand...still...




Rick Womer wrote on 12/22/18 2:07 PM:

Thanks much, Godfrey. I’ll give it a try (post Xmas) and let you know how it 
goes.


I don't know how big your hard drive is, but with external drives down 
under $40/TB  this might be a good time to buy an external drive and 
copy your applications folder, your home folder, raw files and catalogs 
to it.


If you were completely insane, you could just put a new internal drive 
in your computer, get an external case for your old drive, and just do a 
completely clean install of OS, apps, etc. and then copy your data over 
to the new machine and use your current drive as a complete backup. 
Once the dust settles, keep it at a friends house as a offsite backup.





Rick


On Dec 22, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

Again: your image files are all there, right? :-)

The Lightroom application executable is independent of the catalog (.LRCAT) 
file. I'd uninstall LR6 and then install it afresh. It sounds like something 
has trashed the Lightroom application itself.

Install LR fresh after uninstalling the current copy, then create a new 
catalog, add some keywords, etc, to test it. ONce  you know it works correctly, 
open your usual working .LRCAT file.

I would download a new LR6 installer rather than going to a backup … Be sure 
you have your key code available for installation (you can fetch it from your 
Adobe ID if you've lost it). Here's where the LR6 downloads are located:
https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/lightroom-downloads.html

G



On Dec 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:

Today I restarted the computer again, running fsck in the Unix shell on the 
way. No problems.

Since the image counts and keywords are missing even in almost-2-year-old 
copies of the catalog, it seems it must be a mutation in Lightroom itself.

My backups include LR6. Would I be inviting further trouble if I decompressed 
and ran one of them?

Even dealing with the Kodak Labs in Fair Lawn was more fun dealing with these 
computer problems.

Rick



On Dec 21, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

Well, I just went into my extensive backups and opened several .LRCAT files 
going back to Feb 2017.

They don’t show the numbers of photos in the folders, and they don’t have 
visible or searchable keywords.

I’m utterly flummoxed.

Any other suggestions?

Rick



On Dec 21, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

Hi Rick,

I agree with the other responses: I doubt this had anything to do with the 
Google API change. It certainly hasn't happened on my system, and I got the 
notification when I clicked on the Maps module and found it no longer worked.

First: I presume you've checked the folders on the hard drive and all the files are still 
there. If you have used the "Metadata > Save metadata to files" command, all 
your metadata, including keywords, are saved on disk in the actual image files for DNG, 
TIFF, and JPEG files, and in .xmp sidecar files for the native raw files. (I do this 
regularly, as I work through a session, so that I don't have to do it en masse. So all is 
not lost, if you've saved regularly as you work.

I would definitely load a recent backup of the catalog file and test that. The 
likelyhood is greatest that something simply clobbered your current .LRCAT 
file. If no backup .LRCAT works, you can always start LR up, create a new 
catalog, and then have it import all the existing files in ADD mode and 
recreate most of the .LRCAT that way, minus virtual copies etc.

PITA for sure, but I wouldn't link it with the Google API change other than 
maybe as a side effect of something that notified you.

G




On Dec 20, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

Godfrey,

The following things abruptly happened in LR6 and just about the time of the 
API change:

- I have a “Photos” folder containing one folder for each year on an external 
drive that I use as my “photo drive.” The number of photos reported overall, 
and the number of photos in each annual folder, went to 0. Oddly, most of the 
monthly sub-folders still display accurate counts, though some (like all of 
them from 2015) report 0.

- My keywords vanished, almost every one of them. Some groups of photos still 
have their keywords, but the search function can’t find them.

I tried quitting and restarting LR, and quitting and restarting my computer and 
hard drives. No use.

Rick



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Re: I don't understand...still...

2018-12-22 Thread Rick Womer

Thanks much, Godfrey. I’ll give it a try (post Xmas) and let you know how it 
goes.

Rick

> On Dec 22, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Again: your image files are all there, right? :-)
> 
> The Lightroom application executable is independent of the catalog (.LRCAT) 
> file. I'd uninstall LR6 and then install it afresh. It sounds like something 
> has trashed the Lightroom application itself. 
> 
> Install LR fresh after uninstalling the current copy, then create a new 
> catalog, add some keywords, etc, to test it. ONce  you know it works 
> correctly, open your usual working .LRCAT file. 
> 
> I would download a new LR6 installer rather than going to a backup … Be sure 
> you have your key code available for installation (you can fetch it from your 
> Adobe ID if you've lost it). Here's where the LR6 downloads are located:
> https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/lightroom-downloads.html
> 
> G
> 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> Today I restarted the computer again, running fsck in the Unix shell on the 
>> way. No problems.
>> 
>> Since the image counts and keywords are missing even in almost-2-year-old 
>> copies of the catalog, it seems it must be a mutation in Lightroom itself.
>> 
>> My backups include LR6. Would I be inviting further trouble if I 
>> decompressed and ran one of them?
>> 
>> Even dealing with the Kodak Labs in Fair Lawn was more fun dealing with 
>> these computer problems.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, I just went into my extensive backups and opened several .LRCAT files 
>>> going back to Feb 2017.
>>> 
>>> They don’t show the numbers of photos in the folders, and they don’t have 
>>> visible or searchable keywords.
>>> 
>>> I’m utterly flummoxed.
>>> 
>>> Any other suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 21, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Rick, 
 
 I agree with the other responses: I doubt this had anything to do with the 
 Google API change. It certainly hasn't happened on my system, and I got 
 the notification when I clicked on the Maps module and found it no longer 
 worked. 
 
 First: I presume you've checked the folders on the hard drive and all the 
 files are still there. If you have used the "Metadata > Save metadata to 
 files" command, all your metadata, including keywords, are saved on disk 
 in the actual image files for DNG, TIFF, and JPEG files, and in .xmp 
 sidecar files for the native raw files. (I do this regularly, as I work 
 through a session, so that I don't have to do it en masse. So all is not 
 lost, if you've saved regularly as you work. 
 
 I would definitely load a recent backup of the catalog file and test that. 
 The likelyhood is greatest that something simply clobbered your current 
 .LRCAT file. If no backup .LRCAT works, you can always start LR up, create 
 a new catalog, and then have it import all the existing files in ADD mode 
 and recreate most of the .LRCAT that way, minus virtual copies etc.
 
 PITA for sure, but I wouldn't link it with the Google API change other 
 than maybe as a side effect of something that notified you.
 
 G
 
 
 
> On Dec 20, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Godfrey,
> 
> The following things abruptly happened in LR6 and just about the time of 
> the API change:
> 
> - I have a “Photos” folder containing one folder for each year on an 
> external drive that I use as my “photo drive.” The number of photos 
> reported overall, and the number of photos in each annual folder, went to 
> 0. Oddly, most of the monthly sub-folders still display accurate counts, 
> though some (like all of them from 2015) report 0.
> 
> - My keywords vanished, almost every one of them. Some groups of photos 
> still have their keywords, but the search function can’t find them.
> 
> I tried quitting and restarting LR, and quitting and restarting my 
> computer and hard drives. No use.
> 
> Rick
 
 
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Re: Done with my backlog




John wrote on 12/22/18 10:26 AM:

On 12/22/2018 02:49:00, Larry Colen wrote:


color
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/45692011634/in/album-72157674721946567/ 



b
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/45692008734/in/album-72157674721946567/ 



(constructive feedback particularly appreciated on this one)


Neither. There's no one there and no indication anyone ever has been. It 
has no life in it.


Maybe it would work better if you had waited until after breakfast.


Heh!  It was after breakfast, I was teaching a friend some of the basics 
of photography, shooting random things to show how exposure works. 
There was something about that scene that I find appealing, but I don't 
know what.  I have taken other photos that are about as appealing to me 
that others have raved about.  When I'm ambivalent about one of my 
photos I can never tell whether it rocks or sucks.


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Re: I don't understand...still...

2018-12-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Again: your image files are all there, right? :-)

The Lightroom application executable is independent of the catalog (.LRCAT) 
file. I'd uninstall LR6 and then install it afresh. It sounds like something 
has trashed the Lightroom application itself. 

Install LR fresh after uninstalling the current copy, then create a new 
catalog, add some keywords, etc, to test it. ONce  you know it works correctly, 
open your usual working .LRCAT file. 

I would download a new LR6 installer rather than going to a backup … Be sure 
you have your key code available for installation (you can fetch it from your 
Adobe ID if you've lost it). Here's where the LR6 downloads are located:
https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/lightroom-downloads.html

G


> On Dec 22, 2018, at 10:56 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Today I restarted the computer again, running fsck in the Unix shell on the 
> way. No problems.
> 
> Since the image counts and keywords are missing even in almost-2-year-old 
> copies of the catalog, it seems it must be a mutation in Lightroom itself.
> 
> My backups include LR6. Would I be inviting further trouble if I decompressed 
> and ran one of them?
> 
> Even dealing with the Kodak Labs in Fair Lawn was more fun dealing with these 
> computer problems.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I just went into my extensive backups and opened several .LRCAT files 
>> going back to Feb 2017.
>> 
>> They don’t show the numbers of photos in the folders, and they don’t have 
>> visible or searchable keywords.
>> 
>> I’m utterly flummoxed.
>> 
>> Any other suggestions?
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rick, 
>>> 
>>> I agree with the other responses: I doubt this had anything to do with the 
>>> Google API change. It certainly hasn't happened on my system, and I got the 
>>> notification when I clicked on the Maps module and found it no longer 
>>> worked. 
>>> 
>>> First: I presume you've checked the folders on the hard drive and all the 
>>> files are still there. If you have used the "Metadata > Save metadata to 
>>> files" command, all your metadata, including keywords, are saved on disk in 
>>> the actual image files for DNG, TIFF, and JPEG files, and in .xmp sidecar 
>>> files for the native raw files. (I do this regularly, as I work through a 
>>> session, so that I don't have to do it en masse. So all is not lost, if 
>>> you've saved regularly as you work. 
>>> 
>>> I would definitely load a recent backup of the catalog file and test that. 
>>> The likelyhood is greatest that something simply clobbered your current 
>>> .LRCAT file. If no backup .LRCAT works, you can always start LR up, create 
>>> a new catalog, and then have it import all the existing files in ADD mode 
>>> and recreate most of the .LRCAT that way, minus virtual copies etc.
>>> 
>>> PITA for sure, but I wouldn't link it with the Google API change other than 
>>> maybe as a side effect of something that notified you.
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 20, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
 
 Godfrey,
 
 The following things abruptly happened in LR6 and just about the time of 
 the API change:
 
 - I have a “Photos” folder containing one folder for each year on an 
 external drive that I use as my “photo drive.” The number of photos 
 reported overall, and the number of photos in each annual folder, went to 
 0. Oddly, most of the monthly sub-folders still display accurate counts, 
 though some (like all of them from 2015) report 0.
 
 - My keywords vanished, almost every one of them. Some groups of photos 
 still have their keywords, but the search function can’t find them.
 
 I tried quitting and restarting LR, and quitting and restarting my 
 computer and hard drives. No use.
 
 Rick
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Re: On Google maps and Lightroom

2018-12-22 Thread Bill


On 12/22/2018 11:31 AM, Jostein wrote:

Uh oh...


Now you've gone and done it.


Den 22.12.2018 02:18, skrev Postmaster:

Jostein wrote:


Adobe is not alone in screwing its customers over. :-(

The quotations list for 2018 is shaping up nicely :-)






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Re: On Google maps and Lightroom

2018-12-22 Thread Bill


On 12/22/2018 11:31 AM, Jostein wrote:

Uh oh...


Now you've gone and done it.


Den 22.12.2018 02:18, skrev Postmaster:

Jostein wrote:


Adobe is not alone in screwing its customers over. :-(

The quotations list for 2018 is shaping up nicely :-)






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Re: OT - Le Photospot

2018-12-22 Thread Ken Waller

I always look for the tripod leg holes to ensure I get THE shot !


-Original Message-
>From: John 
>Subject: Re: OT - Le Photospot
>
>It wasn't just Disneyland.
>
>The "Kodak Scenic Spot" campaign started back in 1920 and ran through 1939, 
>although the company continued to place signs up until the late 1980s. At its 
>peak, the program there were over 6,000 "Kodak" scenic spots, picture spots, 
>photo spots ...
>
>I don't know if Kodak marketing ever used the campaign outside of the U.S., 
>but 
>I would be surprised if they hadn't.
>
>Nikon took over the sponsorship of the "photo spots" at Disney properties in 
>2013 when Kodak filed for bankruptcy and ended their relationship as the 
>"official" supplier of cameras and film.
>
>https://www.photosecrets.com/kodak-picture-spot-1920-2012
>
>On 12/21/2018 19:08:23, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> Disneyland and Disney World have had those for generations.
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>> 
>>> Don't know how to take the perfect landscape photograph? Not to worry.
>>> The French are here to help:
>>>
>>> http://www.fotoralf.be/temp/D-18-00716.jpg
>>>
>>> Place camera, frame, shoot.
>>>
>>> Note the picture below. This is what it should look like.
>>>
>>> More info on all 8 photospots around Cape Griz Nez and Cape Blanc Nez:
>>>
>>> http://www.lesdeuxcaps.fr/fre/PHOTOSPOT
>>>
>>> The next version should include a wifi hotspot to transfer the perfect
>>> photo straight into your smartphone. With the most beautiful weather of
>>> course, not gale 8, gusting storm 10, like today.
>>>
>>> Ralf
>>>
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>>>
>
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Re: I don't understand...still...

Could you do an image backup of your hard drive right now before doing whatever 
you have to do to decompress the older backup?


Maybe make a copy of the older backup and decompress from that.

That way you'd have the status quo ante to return to if it somehow screws up 
Lightroom and/or you wouldn't risk Lightroom corrupting the older backup with 
whatever is going on with it.


On 12/22/2018 13:56:00, Rick Womer wrote:

Today I restarted the computer again, running fsck in the Unix shell on the
way. No problems.

Since the image counts and keywords are missing even in almost-2-year-old
copies of the catalog, it seems it must be a mutation in Lightroom itself.

My backups include LR6. Would I be inviting further trouble if I decompressed
and ran one of them?

Even dealing with the Kodak Labs in Fair Lawn was more fun dealing with these
computer problems.

Rick



On Dec 21, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

Well, I just went into my extensive backups and opened several .LRCAT files
going back to Feb 2017.

They don’t show the numbers of photos in the folders, and they don’t have
visible or searchable keywords.

I’m utterly flummoxed.

Any other suggestions?

Rick



On Dec 21, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

Hi Rick,

I agree with the other responses: I doubt this had anything to do with
the Google API change. It certainly hasn't happened on my system, and I
got the notification when I clicked on the Maps module and found it no
longer worked.

First: I presume you've checked the folders on the hard drive and all the
files are still there. If you have used the "Metadata > Save metadata to
files" command, all your metadata, including keywords, are saved on disk
in the actual image files for DNG, TIFF, and JPEG files, and in .xmp
sidecar files for the native raw files. (I do this regularly, as I work
through a session, so that I don't have to do it en masse. So all is not
lost, if you've saved regularly as you work.

I would definitely load a recent backup of the catalog file and test
that. The likelyhood is greatest that something simply clobbered your
current .LRCAT file. If no backup .LRCAT works, you can always start LR
up, create a new catalog, and then have it import all the existing files
in ADD mode and recreate most of the .LRCAT that way, minus virtual
copies etc.

PITA for sure, but I wouldn't link it with the Google API change other
than maybe as a side effect of something that notified you.

G




On Dec 20, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

Godfrey,

The following things abruptly happened in LR6 and just about the time
of the API change:

- I have a “Photos” folder containing one folder for each year on an
external drive that I use as my “photo drive.” The number of photos
reported overall, and the number of photos in each annual folder, went
to 0. Oddly, most of the monthly sub-folders still display accurate
counts, though some (like all of them from 2015) report 0.

- My keywords vanished, almost every one of them. Some groups of photos
still have their keywords, but the search function can’t find them.

I tried quitting and restarting LR, and quitting and restarting my
computer and hard drives. No use.

Rick



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Re: I don't understand...still...

2018-12-22 Thread Rick Womer

Today I restarted the computer again, running fsck in the Unix shell on the 
way. No problems.

Since the image counts and keywords are missing even in almost-2-year-old 
copies of the catalog, it seems it must be a mutation in Lightroom itself.

My backups include LR6. Would I be inviting further trouble if I decompressed 
and ran one of them?

Even dealing with the Kodak Labs in Fair Lawn was more fun dealing with these 
computer problems.

Rick


> On Dec 21, 2018, at 9:10 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> Well, I just went into my extensive backups and opened several .LRCAT files 
> going back to Feb 2017.
> 
> They don’t show the numbers of photos in the folders, and they don’t have 
> visible or searchable keywords.
> 
> I’m utterly flummoxed.
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rick, 
>> 
>> I agree with the other responses: I doubt this had anything to do with the 
>> Google API change. It certainly hasn't happened on my system, and I got the 
>> notification when I clicked on the Maps module and found it no longer 
>> worked. 
>> 
>> First: I presume you've checked the folders on the hard drive and all the 
>> files are still there. If you have used the "Metadata > Save metadata to 
>> files" command, all your metadata, including keywords, are saved on disk in 
>> the actual image files for DNG, TIFF, and JPEG files, and in .xmp sidecar 
>> files for the native raw files. (I do this regularly, as I work through a 
>> session, so that I don't have to do it en masse. So all is not lost, if 
>> you've saved regularly as you work. 
>> 
>> I would definitely load a recent backup of the catalog file and test that. 
>> The likelyhood is greatest that something simply clobbered your current 
>> .LRCAT file. If no backup .LRCAT works, you can always start LR up, create a 
>> new catalog, and then have it import all the existing files in ADD mode and 
>> recreate most of the .LRCAT that way, minus virtual copies etc.
>> 
>> PITA for sure, but I wouldn't link it with the Google API change other than 
>> maybe as a side effect of something that notified you.
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2018, at 3:14 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Godfrey,
>>> 
>>> The following things abruptly happened in LR6 and just about the time of 
>>> the API change:
>>> 
>>> - I have a “Photos” folder containing one folder for each year on an 
>>> external drive that I use as my “photo drive.” The number of photos 
>>> reported overall, and the number of photos in each annual folder, went to 
>>> 0. Oddly, most of the monthly sub-folders still display accurate counts, 
>>> though some (like all of them from 2015) report 0.
>>> 
>>> - My keywords vanished, almost every one of them. Some groups of photos 
>>> still have their keywords, but the search function can’t find them.
>>> 
>>> I tried quitting and restarting LR, and quitting and restarting my computer 
>>> and hard drives. No use.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>> 
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Re: OT: The disappearing Monarchs


On 12/22/2018 08:28:20, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

One of the environmental disasters of our time;  the loss of beauty and
grace.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2018/12/monarch-butterflies-risk-extinction-climate-change/
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Re: Done with my backlog

2018-12-22 Thread Stanley Halpin

My reaction is a bit more muted than John's. I prefer the color version. I see 
some potential but generally would say “neither.”

The framing does not appeal to me. I want to take the two chairs that intrude 
on the margins and get rid of them before taking this shot. That would leave an 
interesting still life of sorts. But those two chairs are just too much added 
clutter. Particularly given that all three chairs in the scene are different 
styles.

But given the image you have, and assuming no heroic Photoshopping to clean out 
the clutter, then the color version is better because the several bits of red 
help to unify the scene. That gets lost in the b version.

Stan

> On Dec 22, 2018, at 1:26 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> On 12/22/2018 02:49:00, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>> color
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/45692011634/in/album-72157674721946567/
>> b
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/45692008734/in/album-72157674721946567/
>> (constructive feedback particularly appreciated on this one)
> 
> Neither. There's no one there and no indication anyone ever has been. It has 
> no life in it.
> 
> Maybe it would work better if you had waited until after breakfast.
> 
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Re: OT: Fashion Photographer accused of exploiting models

Not exactly round but close enough for government work (given plate tectonics & 
such) - Rhombicosidodecahedron. It's got 60 corners.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombicosidodecahedron



On 12/22/2018 10:16:59, P. J. Alling wrote:
Just because it's round doesn't mean it can't have corners in some oddly 
specified geometry or other...  I don't know of one but that doesn't mean it 
doesn't exist.


On 12/22/2018 5:46 AM, Alan C wrote:

Isn't the Earth supposed to be round?

Alan C

On 22-Dec-18 11:15 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Not for this particular, misbegotten corner of the world.

That description might be fitting for my corner as well.

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mike wilson , 22 Ara 2018 Cmt, 11:38
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Not for this particular, misbegotten corner of the world.


On 22 December 2018 at 06:55 Bulent Celasun  wrote:


This works:
https://tinyurl.com/yatzc93g




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On 12/22/2018 02:49:00, Larry Colen wrote:


color
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/45692011634/in/album-72157674721946567/

b
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/45692008734/in/album-72157674721946567/

(constructive feedback particularly appreciated on this one)


Neither. There's no one there and no indication anyone ever has been. It has no 
life in it.


Maybe it would work better if you had waited until after breakfast.


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Re: PESO 2018 - 130 - GDG


That's just about the best evocation of fog I've seen in a long time.

On 12/22/2018 08:17:29, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Just pre-dawn yesterday morning, I arrived for our usual morning coffee
gathering in Mountain View downtown with dense fog settled everywhere…

https://flic.kr/p/2aWz9KE

enjoy, and happy holidays to all!

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Re: OT - Le Photospot


It wasn't just Disneyland.

The "Kodak Scenic Spot" campaign started back in 1920 and ran through 1939, 
although the company continued to place signs up until the late 1980s. At its 
peak, the program there were over 6,000 "Kodak" scenic spots, picture spots, 
photo spots ...


I don't know if Kodak marketing ever used the campaign outside of the U.S., but 
I would be surprised if they hadn't.


Nikon took over the sponsorship of the "photo spots" at Disney properties in 
2013 when Kodak filed for bankruptcy and ended their relationship as the 
"official" supplier of cameras and film.


https://www.photosecrets.com/kodak-picture-spot-1920-2012

On 12/21/2018 19:08:23, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Disneyland and Disney World have had those for generations.

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On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:


Don't know how to take the perfect landscape photograph? Not to worry.
The French are here to help:

http://www.fotoralf.be/temp/D-18-00716.jpg

Place camera, frame, shoot.

Note the picture below. This is what it should look like.

More info on all 8 photospots around Cape Griz Nez and Cape Blanc Nez:

http://www.lesdeuxcaps.fr/fre/PHOTOSPOT

The next version should include a wifi hotspot to transfer the perfect
photo straight into your smartphone. With the most beautiful weather of
course, not gale 8, gusting storm 10, like today.

Ralf

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Re: On Google maps and Lightroom

2018-12-22 Thread Jostein


Uh oh...

Den 22.12.2018 02:18, skrev Postmaster:

Jostein wrote:


Adobe is not alone in screwing its customers over. :-(

The quotations list for 2018 is shaping up nicely :-)



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Re: OT: The disappearing Monarchs

2018-12-22 Thread Alan C

Very sad, Dan, but hopefully the masses will respond. Herbicides & 
Insecticides coupled with habitat destruction are killing many species 
including the vital  Honey Bees. Not to mention several Crane species.


Alan C

On 22-Dec-18 03:28 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

One of the environmental disasters of our time;  the loss of beauty and
grace.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2018/12/monarch-butterflies-risk-extinction-climate-change/
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Re: OT: Fashion Photographer accused of exploiting models

2018-12-22 Thread Alan C

In a way I suppose. Kingsley Holgate, the intrepid 4x4 round-the-world 
traveller, once said: "Just because you can't see the road doesn't mean 
it's not there."


Alan C

On 22-Dec-18 05:16 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Just because it's round doesn't mean it can't have corners in some 
oddly specified geometry or other...  I don't know of one but that 
doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


On 12/22/2018 5:46 AM, Alan C wrote:

Isn't the Earth supposed to be round?

Alan C

On 22-Dec-18 11:15 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Not for this particular, misbegotten corner of the world.

That description might be fitting for my corner as well.

B.
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http://patoloji.gen.tr
http://celasun.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
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mike wilson , 22 Ara 2018 Cmt, 11:38
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Not for this particular, misbegotten corner of the world.

On 22 December 2018 at 06:55 Bulent Celasun 
 wrote:



This works:
https://tinyurl.com/yatzc93g

Bulent
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mike wilson , 22 Ara 2018 Cmt, 09:48
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On 22 December 2018 at 02:12 "Daniel J. Matyola" 
 wrote:



*https://tinyurl.com/yatzc93g *


Not available in Yurp.

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OT: Hazards of Wildlife Photography

http://digg.com/video/baby-elephant-seals-photographer?utm

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Re: Done with my backlog

2018-12-22 Thread P. J. Alling

Yes it's a bench Larry, you can now recognize common things.  (I know 
it's snarky, but somebody had to do it).


On 12/22/2018 2:49 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I finally made it through my backlog of photos from my trip north

Here’s a bench overlooking the Alsea Bay in Waldport, at sunset

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32543096228/in/album-72157701605621832/

Here’s a photo which I can’t decide whether it works in color, black and white, 
both, or neither

color
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/45692011634/in/album-72157674721946567/

b
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/45692008734/in/album-72157674721946567/

(constructive feedback particularly appreciated on this one)


Here’s my full collection of albums from several trips to the northwet this 
year:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157697401822271/

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Re: OT: Fashion Photographer accused of exploiting models

2018-12-22 Thread P. J. Alling

Just because it's round doesn't mean it can't have corners in some oddly 
specified geometry or other...  I don't know of one but that doesn't 
mean it doesn't exist.


On 12/22/2018 5:46 AM, Alan C wrote:

Isn't the Earth supposed to be round?

Alan C

On 22-Dec-18 11:15 AM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Not for this particular, misbegotten corner of the world.

That description might be fitting for my corner as well.

B.
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http://patoloji.gen.tr
http://celasun.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
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mike wilson , 22 Ara 2018 Cmt, 11:38
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Not for this particular, misbegotten corner of the world.

On 22 December 2018 at 06:55 Bulent Celasun 
 wrote:



This works:
https://tinyurl.com/yatzc93g

Bulent
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
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mike wilson , 22 Ara 2018 Cmt, 09:48
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On 22 December 2018 at 02:12 "Daniel J. Matyola" 
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*https://tinyurl.com/yatzc93g *


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OT: The disappearing Monarchs

One of the environmental disasters of our time;  the loss of beauty and
grace.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/2018/12/monarch-butterflies-risk-extinction-climate-change/
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Re: PESO 2018 - 130 - GDG

It has an air of mystery.

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On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 8:18 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi 
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> Just pre-dawn yesterday morning, I arrived for our usual morning coffee
> gathering in Mountain View downtown with dense fog settled everywhere…
>
>  https://flic.kr/p/2aWz9KE
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> enjoy, and happy holidays to all!
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