Re: Please Ignore Me

[David Savage]

.

On 19/01/2010, frank theriault  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:36 PM, David Savage  wrote:
>> 2010/1/19 frank theriault :
>>>Please don't respond to my posts
>>
>> MARK!
>>
>> (I love out of context quotes :-)
>
> I just asked you ~not~ to respond, didn't I?
>
> DIDN'T I!?!?!?
>
> thanks,
> frank
>
> ;-)
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Re: Please Ignore Me

[David Savage]

2010/1/19 frank theriault :
>Please don't respond to my posts

MARK!

(I love out of context quotes :-)

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Re: OT - how to guarantee you luggage won't be lost

[David Savage]

2010/1/19 P. J. Alling :
> On 1/18/2010 2:03 AM, David Mann wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:08 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Didn't Australia used to be a free country?
>>>
>>
>> Only until the English turned up and used it as a prison.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>
> I kind of thought that you threw off the English yoke, freed the prisoners
> and such...

We're still part of The Commonwealth and Queen Elizabeth II is still
officially our head of state.

But that doesn't concern me. They can have their grey rock, and I'll
enjoy our red one surrounded by warm water:



Not a bad way to spend a 43°C summers day: scuba diving & enjoying all
the scenery on offer.

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Re: A word about cats, was OT: I REALLY hate squirrels

[David Savage]

2010/1/17 David J Brooks :
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 7:50 AM, William Robb  wrote:
>
>> While cats may not be stupid (though this is pretty debatable I don't think
>> they are especially smart),
>
> I don't know about that. Our three have done a pretty good job of
> training us.:-)

Most cat owners are pussies.

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Re: Why Pentax?

[David Savage]

2010/1/16 Igor Roshchin :
> I would be glad to hear what others have to say about these thoughts.

My Pentax history

In the northern winter of '93/'94 I was travelling around Alberta &
B.C. with my dad, happily snapping away with my first SLR, Minolta
SRT-101.

It was an awesome trip & I got to see my shots quite soon after taking
them because we were having the film processed locally almost straight
away (this is very cool when driving around meeting family and being
able to show them photos from where you have been,and more importantly
who you had just seen).

Then one day I walked into a mall and made the mistake of visiting
some hole-in-the wall photographic store. I picked up a brochure for
the P/Pz-20. Much paging through said brochure saw me fall in love. My
uncle took me to his local dealer in Red Deer (McBain Camera) some
weeks later. The rest as they say is history.

I had that camera and the FA 28-105mm PZ for many years and it served
me well. I drifted away from photography. But my interest was
rekindled with the news of the release of it *istD. I started shooting
film again and I ordered my first Ltd. Lens (31mm) when I went in to
pick up the lens, I asked to have a look at the *istD. Needless to say
that that was a very expensive day.

The purchase of that first DSLR saw me invest in a lot more glass. FA
31mm, FA 50mm, FA 77mm, FA 80-200mm f2.8, FA 200mm f2.8, FA 300mm
f4.5.etc, etc, etc...

Then came the K10D, followed by the K20D. The cameras were great, but
my needs were changing and the persistence of high ISO noise & sensor
amp glow continually frustrated me.

I've now been shooting almost exclusively with the D700 for about
18months. I've shot more frames on that body than I did with the
K10/20D combined.

I'm happy I made the change. Nikon glass is crap by comparison, but
the quality of camera, and the IQ makes up for it.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: How useful is SDM?

[David Savage]

2010/1/13 John Sessoms :
> From: David Savage
>>
>> On 12/01/2010, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>>>
>>> > David Savage wrote:
>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >>2010/1/12 Mark Roberts :
>>>>>
>>>>> >>> BTW: John Carlson told me he probably won't be able to make it to
>>>>> >>> GFM
>>>>> >>> this year, as he's trying to cut down on the amount of time he
>>>>> >>> spends
>>>>> >>> on the road. Probably just as well - by the middle of the year I
>>>>> >>> expect the *only* questions he'll be fielding will include the
>>>>> >>> words
>>>>> >>> "full frame".
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Frankly, if Pentax can't significantly improve it's AF & exposure
>>>> >>consistency then putting a FF sensor in their current tech would be a
>>>> >>serious waste of time.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > That's simply untrue. AF is not a major issue for some people. I'd
>>> > much prefer a high-res FF camera with current AF capability to another
>>> > 15MP APS-C camera with state-of-the-art AF.
>>
>> If Pentax were to introduce a FF camera, it would have to represent
>> the sate of the art in their DSLR line-up. Otherwise the only people
>> to buy it would be the Pentax faithful.
>
> Who is Sony expecting to sell their new full frame body to? Do they have a
> reservoir of "Sony faithful" to draw on?

Sony has better brand name recognition for people entering the the
DSLR market than Pentax.

> I think it would need BETTER auto-focus than is currently available. Maybe
> not "state of the art", but enough improvement to make it worth trading up.
>
> But whether anyone beyond the "Pentax faithful" would buy it is going to
> depend on the value of the entire package.
>
> Pentax has to sell full-frame lenses as well as a full frame body. It's been
> pointed out here before that the camera manufacturer makes most of their
> money selling lenses to be used with the bodies.
>
> The following is strictly MY OPINION, FWIW ...
>
> For Pentax to remain viable, their next DSLR offering has to be as much of
> an improvement over the K7 as the K7 was over the K20. I know that's going
> to be hard to achieve.
>
> I think full frame and improved auto-focus speed is going to have to be part
> of that. And they're going to have to have glass available to take advantage
> of those improvements.
>
> I think Pentax can be competitive, even a market leader. If that's what they
> want.

I've said it before but I'll say it again. IMHO I think Pentax should
become a 3rd party lens manufacturer.

Designing quality optics is what they do best & I think they could
really do well at it.

DS

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Re: low light autofocus

[David Savage]

F.(rank) Art?

On 13/01/2010, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> On 1/12/2010 8:17 PM, frank theriault wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>>   I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
>>
>>> shots were out of focus
>>>
>> Call them your "art shots" and charge them double.
>>
>> cheers,
>> frank
>>
> Works for you I would guess...
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Re: How useful is SDM?

[David Savage]

Here's a question for the K7 crowd...

How many AF points does it have?

A couple of people during this discussion have poo poo'ed the need for
a swag of AF points, but one of the things I like about the D700's 51
point AF is I can select 1 particular point and with the flick of a
switch the surrounding 8 points come into the equation (think 3x3
grid).

I find this really useful when shooting action and the subject is
moving toward/away from me.

Flick the above mentioned switch again ane all 51 points come into
play with surprisingly accurate results.

On 13/01/2010, Doug Franklin  wrote:
> On 2010-01-12 21:56, Joseph McAllister wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2010, at 15:29 , Rob Studdert wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously Pentax's focus assist is fine with relatively static subjects.
>>
>> Only if you focus twice. :-)
>
> And check which focus point it chose.  And make sure that whatever focus
> point ended up selected actually points at something you actually want
> to be in focus.
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Re: -37ºC

[David Savage]

2010/1/12 David J Brooks :
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:52 AM, William Robb  wrote:
>> We have a saying here that if you don't like the weather, wait an hour.
>> In the winter, it just takes a little longer.
>> 0ºC right now (6:00 am), with a projected high of 4ºC today.
>
> Still in the -'s here, about -10 or so. BUT, very damp. I hate this
> area when it gets damp. Cuts right to the bone.,

Supposed to get to +42 C here on Sunday.

I'll be damp too.

About 5-15m under water.

:-)

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Re: PDML Book: page restrictions adjusted

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2010/1/12 David J Brooks :
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> Make that "PDML" Book!
>> (Spell checkers just don't get "PDML")
>
> Nor do Nikon shooters.LOL

:-)

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Re: How useful is SDM?

[David Savage]

Easy. Shoot with the MX.

On 12/01/2010, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Oddly enough, I don't exactly care for AF all together. If Pentax
> produced a camera (better FF) with a viewfinder similar to that of
> ME-Super, no AF, no nothing, just sensor, box, shutter and lens mount
> (and a big, bright, good split screen viewfinder) - I'll be all over
> it in a blink of an eye...
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Joseph McAllister 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Jan 11, 2010, at 18:13 , Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>>> David Savage wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Frankly, if Pentax can't significantly improve it's AF & exposure
>>>> consistency then putting a FF sensor in their current tech would be a
>>>> serious waste of time.
>>>
>>> That's simply untrue. AF is not a major issue for some people. I'd
>>> much prefer a high-res FF camera with current AF capability to another
>>> 15MP APS-C camera with state-of-the-art AF.
>>
>>
>> Then they have no choice but to come up with both a 15MP APS-C camera with
>> state of the art AF
>> AND a FF 24MP camera with shitty AF.
>>
>> Joseph McAllister
>> pentax...@mac.com
>>
>> “ Nature is considerably more creative and inventive than humankind.
>> Without
>> Nature there isn't any humankind. Without humankind, Nature is fine.”
>>
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Re: How useful is SDM?

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On 12/01/2010, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> David Savage wrote:
>
>>2010/1/12 Mark Roberts :
>>> BTW: John Carlson told me he probably won't be able to make it to GFM
>>> this year, as he's trying to cut down on the amount of time he spends
>>> on the road. Probably just as well - by the middle of the year I
>>> expect the *only* questions he'll be fielding will include the words
>>> "full frame".
>>
>>Frankly, if Pentax can't significantly improve it's AF & exposure
>>consistency then putting a FF sensor in their current tech would be a
>>serious waste of time.
>
> That's simply untrue. AF is not a major issue for some people. I'd
> much prefer a high-res FF camera with current AF capability to another
> 15MP APS-C camera with state-of-the-art AF.

If Pentax were to introduce a FF camera, it would have to represent
the sate of the art in their DSLR line-up. Otherwise the only people
to buy it would be the Pentax faithful.

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Re: Camera(s) of the year at TOP

[David Savage]

I guess a smiley was needed.

On 12/01/2010, Adam Maas  wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:41 PM, David Savage  wrote:
>> 2010/1/12 Scott Loveless :
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Mark Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2010/01/camera-of-the-year-2009.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FZSjz+%28The+Online+Photographer%29
>>>>
>>>> Oddly enough, I agree with pretty much all the choices (except the
>>>> GF670)
>>>
>>> Just out of curiosity, what would be your choice for best new film
>>> camera of 2009?
>>
>> Holga.
>
> Which is an entertaining fad, but not by any stretch a new film camera.
>
> I think the GF670 might just be the ONLY new film camera of 2009,
> unless you count that 35mm TLR kit which came in a Japanese Science
> Magazine (which was frikkin cool btw). I can't think of anything else
> that was introduced last year (the only other recent introductions
> being the Bessa R4a/m, which is over a year old and the Hasselblad H2
> Film, which is also a 2008 model IIRC).
>
> Cosina is pretty much it for 35mm production today, outside of cheap
> Chinese Minolta or Cosina clones. And there isn't much in the way of
> MF film stuff left (Mamiya 7II, the Hassy 503CX and H2 Film, the
> probably already out of production Mamiya/PhaseOne 645AFDIII and the
> GF670). Both Mamiya and Hasselblad are now primarily digital (645DF
> and H3D do not support film at all).
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Re: Camera(s) of the year at TOP

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2010/1/12 Scott Loveless :
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2010/01/camera-of-the-year-2009.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FZSjz+%28The+Online+Photographer%29
>>
>> Oddly enough, I agree with pretty much all the choices (except the
>> GF670)
>
> Just out of curiosity, what would be your choice for best new film
> camera of 2009?

Holga.

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Re: How useful is SDM?

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2010/1/12 Mark Roberts :
> BTW: John Carlson told me he probably won't be able to make it to GFM
> this year, as he's trying to cut down on the amount of time he spends
> on the road. Probably just as well - by the middle of the year I
> expect the *only* questions he'll be fielding will include the words
> "full frame".

Frankly, if Pentax can't significantly improve it's AF & exposure
consistency then putting a FF sensor in their current tech would be a
serious waste of time.

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Re: low light autofocus

[David Savage]

Agreed.

I use it now and again on the D700.

On 11/01/2010, Adam Maas  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>> I find the Auto-AF point to be one of the worst features I've ever
>> experienced.  Whenever I'm having severe AF problems I check and sure
>> enough, the switch got bumped from center to auto select.  I alway use
>> center point, focus, then recompose.
>>
>> I don't know how the camera can possibly determine where I want focus
>> and experience shows it cannot.
>>
>
> Auto-select can be a very good feature. It works extremely well on
> high-end Nikon's and Canon's and is surprisingly good on the Panasonic
> m43 cameras. It tends to suck on low-point count AF units,
> particularly with Pentax.
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Re: GESO - Across Australia and back

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2010/1/10 Jan van Wijk :
> Question:
> What is all the wiring spiraling up the three, on the Bicentennial Tree in 
> Pemberton ?

Remnants of a spiral ladder that would take you to the top.

When I was a kid you used to be able climb it. Since been closed for
safety reasons.

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Re: And for you cheapskates

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2010/1/10 Brian Walters :
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:20 +1100, "Rob Studdert"
>  wrote:
>> On 10/01/2010, Alastair Robertson  wrote:
>> > my access has gone again, one could get offended - has NZ really got
>> > such a record that it is on the banned list
>>
>> Lost my access again too ;-(
>>
>
>
> Mine went as well, Mark re-established it - but it's gone again.
>
> :-(>
>
> Is this due to the use of dynamic IPs?

It's an east coast thing...

Keep up the good work Mark.

:-)

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Re: Bill Robb causing trouble again

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2010/1/10 Mark Roberts :
>
> Read the full list:
> http://www.robertstech.com/quote.htm


LOL..gawd damn we dribble some funny sh&t!

Mark, thanks once again for compiling the list.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: And for you cheapskates

[David Savage]

If not, it probably should be.

:-)

The GWR (Great Wall of Roberts) strikes again.

:-) x2

DS

2010/1/10 Alastair Robertson :
> my access has gone again, one could get offended - has NZ really got
> such a record that it is on the banned list
> Alastair
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  
> wrote:
>> Thanks, Mark.
>>
>> I have a hard copy, but I don't always have it with me, so It's nice
>> to have it online as well.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>>> ...who didn't pony up for your own copy of the last PDML photo Annual,
>>> I've put it on line.
>>> http://www.robertstech.com/pdmlbook/2008/
>>>
>>> There was a suggestion that I do so at the time the book was
>>> published, but I think it's better to make this thing "hard copy only"
>>> when it first appears. Keep some of the mystery, you know?
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's kind of nice to browse the photos on the web. They may
>>> appear more saturated and contrasty than they do in the book. That's
>>> of course due to the nature of the media and that fact that I didn't
>>> create separately optimized photos for the book and this web page -
>>> these are "print optimized".
>>>
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Re: Holy Hummingbird!

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2010/1/10 John Sessoms :
> From: frank theriault
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Tanya Love  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Holy cow Mark, how the heck did you do this:
>>
>> 
>>
>> It probably involved alcohol.
>>
>>  ;-)
>
> Don't take a lot. Hummingbirds are notorious for not being able to hold
> their liquor.

Having wings & not hands has drawbacks...

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Re: How useful is SDM?

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2010/1/10 Sandy Harris :
> I have never used an autofocus system. I find myself comparing lenses
> with an SDM motor to ones without. For example, the 17-70 f4 has SDM
> but 16-45 does not. 55/1.4 does but 50/1.4 and 70/2.4 do not.
>
> There are plenty of other differences -- notably price, weight and
> focal length -- and I have some idea how to balance those in relation
> to my usage and preferences. However, I don't have much idea how
> important or useful the SDM motor is, so I am asking here.
>
> Is this something that should be ignored in making a choice? An
> important factor? Somewhere between?

The main benefit of in lens AF motors for Pentax users is how quiet it
is. Compared to my Nikon kit, the gear noise from Pentax lenses & in
body motors is horrendous.

I'd also say it's slightly faster, but I reiterate that the main bonus
is near silent AF operation.

YMMV

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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[David Savage]

G'day Tanya, welcome back.

Cheers,

Everybody.

On 09/01/2010, David J Brooks  wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Tanya Love  wrote:
>
>> So, where is the cheapest place to get my hands on a K-7 at present?
>
> Every one has sold off and bought D700's.
>
>
>> So, what have I missed?  Just checked out the 2008 Photobook and I see
>> that
>> you guys STILL haven't gotten over your fixation for bloody cormorants and
>> hmmm, Grandfather Mountain!  Some familiar scenes there!
>
> The 2010 book should be out soon.
>
> Dave
>>
>> Tan.x.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
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>> Roberts
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 January 2010 10:27 PM
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>>
>> Tanya @ Ankle Biters wrote:
>>
>>>Hey there PDML'ers!!
>>>
>>>Anyone remember me?
>>>
>>>Cotty, I see you're still around, making the place smell bad... hehehe...
>>
>> Tan, you're back! Have you only just finished bicycling around Australia?
>>
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Re: Whingeing about workflow

[David Savage]

They aren't hard to make.

2010/1/8 eckinator :
> Adam, would you share those presets? Can they be exported?
> Cheers
> Ecke
>
> 2010/1/8 Adam Maas :
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
>>> Agreed - that the digital workflow takes more time but at least you've got
>>> the control and a much better opportunity at getting a keeper image, at
>>> least as far as exposure/focus is concerned.
>>>
>>> Kenneth Waller
>>
>> Ample use of presets and an application suited to batch processing can
>> seriously cut down on the time needed. For example, I was the
>> photographer for Ryerson University's Engineering Frosh Week. I took
>> over 2500 shots in 5 days and was able to edit, process and submit the
>> approximately 450 chosen shots with less than 5 hours work total. Note
>> that I did shoot JPEG for this (I always do when shooting high
>> volumes), but even in RAW my working time would be only marginally
>> longer as I make heavy use of presets for rendering (in-camera for
>> JPEG, in the RAW converter for RAW). Now I happen to use CaptureOne,
>> which is very much oriented towards batch processing (Particularly its
>> batch colour correction capabilities), but Lightroom does quite well
>> for batch processing as well.

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Re: GESO fun and games

[David Savage]

2010/1/8 mike wilson :
> David Savage wrote:
>
>> 2010/1/6 mike wilson :
>>
>>> http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/sledge
>>>
>>> Taken with a camera and a couple of lenses.
>>
>>
>> That looks like fun.
>>
>> We do a similar thing on beach sand dunes and a esky lid.
>
> Esky?

Ice box. (ie. Esky as in Eskimo)

It's a brand, but has become the local generic term for them.

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Re: -37ºC

[David Savage]

Just how cold was it when you 2 last got together?

On 08/01/2010, Tom C  wrote:
> Just another thing to be thankful for...
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 6:45 PM, William Robb  wrote:
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Tom C"
>> Subject: Re: -37ºC
>>
>>> I concur with Bill. He definitely feels like a marshmallow. :-)
>>
>>
>> You wouldn't say that if you were cute.
>>
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Re: -37ºC

[David Savage]

Smart is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Being wise is knowing not
to put them in fruit salad.

On 08/01/2010, frank theriault  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>> I thought when I got older I would get smarter.  It seems I just get
>> dumber.
>
> As we get older we don't get smarter, we get "wiser".
>
> I have no clue what the difference is, but it's what I tell my
> children and it shuts them up for a while (which is why I say it).
>
> cheers,
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Re: Wide angle for K-X?

[David Savage]

"There is no spoon"

2010/1/7 J.C. O'Connell :
> there is no "true normal", normal is not an exact defintion of a focal
> length, and 50mm was what came with many many slrs for many years, one
> could argue that that was "normal", not 43mm or 55mm
>  on film
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> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 3:47 PM, J.C. O'Connell 
> wrote:
>> right on the 35, but the 28 is wider than most
>> anything called normal in the old days, I recall
>> when 55mm on 35mm film was "normal".  Regardless,
>> the K24/3.5 is pretty damn good too, which I forgot
>> to mention...
>>
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> 28mm is a 42mm-e on APS-C, pretty much exactly the same as Pentax's 43mm
> 'true normal' and right on the 40-45mm normal range that was typical for
> fixed-lens RF's and P&S's back in the day as well as being moderately
> common in SLR's from the mid-70's on. A 35 is a long normal on APS-C.
>
> 55mm as a normal was only ever an abberation of 60's SLR designs, as it
> was a bit easier to design for a SLR mount than 50mm that had been the
> the 'normal' for 35mm since the original Leica was introduced in the
> late 1920's. Many systems never even had a 55 normal or only had exotic
> 55's (usually an f1.2 or a macro). 55's as the standard on SLR's only
> lasted about 15 years from the early 60's to the late 70's, which was
> also when 40's and 45's became increasingly common as normals from
> Leica, Minolta, Nikon, Zeiss (Contax) Olympus and Pentax. Canon, Olympus
> and Nikon only did exotic 55's.
>
> 35mm has traditionally had a longer normal than other formats, due to
> Oskar Barnack's taste in lenses.
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Re: -37ºC

[David Savage]

I bet.

2010/1/7 William Robb :
> That's how cold it is this morning.
> Gads I hate winter.

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Re: peso mushrooms at night

[David Savage]

Nice lighting.

I'd suggest a crop to remove that white piece in the LLH corner.

DS

2010/1/6 Larry Colen :
> This year, mushrooms have been popping up in my yard like, well, like
> mushrooms.  One stump has four or five varieties. Since it's right outside
> my front door, it keeps distracting me with opportunities to play with my
> macro lens.
>
> I really wanted to take some photos of the mushrooms today, but I was right
> at the tail end of a home improvement project.  Have you ever noticed how
> occasionally home repairs seem to take a little bit longer than expected?  I
> was noticing this on what my have been my eighth "last trip to the hardware
> store".  I was bummed that I didn't get a chance to photograph the mushrooms
> today before it got dark.
>
> When I finished the project at about 9:30 tonight, I decided to grab my
> strobes and give it a try at night.  I should have realized that when you
> throw a metric buttload of photons at a subject, that can improve the
> quality of the photos.
>
> Here's one I particularly like:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/4249761021/sizes/o/
>
> From this set:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623150326000/
> Which has a few I shot during the day on Sunday as well.

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Re: GESO fun and games

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2010/1/6 mike wilson :
> http://www.mikeawilson.co.uk/sledge
>
> Taken with a camera and a couple of lenses.

That looks like fun.

We do a similar thing on beach sand dunes and a esky lid.

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Re: OT Romance is not dead!

[David Savage]

2010/1/6 mike wilson :
> At least, not in the midwest
>
> http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpps/news/offbeat/iowa-man-spells-out-wife's-birthday-message-in-manure_5415058

But if flowers and stuff grow there, it'll be kinda' sweet.

I guess.

DS

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Re: PESO - Spotted in a tree near Gunnedah

[David Savage]

Marsupial. Not bear.

Cheers,

Mr Pedantic ;-)

2010/1/7 P N Stenquist :
> Love it! A teddy bear:-) Excellent work.
> Paul
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:48 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:31:25 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
>> christ...@skofteland.net writes:
>> Gunnedah bills itself  as the Koala Capital of the World.
>>
>> I was on a drive through the country  with my father-in-law and two of
>> his friends when we spotted this guy.   It's been raining here for the
>> past week so the sky is kinda crappy but the  little guy was kinda  cute.
>>
>> http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/koala-capital-of-world.html
>>
>> Enjoy.
>>
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>> =
>> That's not a bird! :-) Really nice  shot.
>>
>> Marnie aka Doe
>>
>> -
>> We can't solve problems  by using the same kind of thinking we used when
>> we
>> created them. Albert Einstein
>>
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Re: PESO - Subversive Activities

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2010/1/6 frank theriault :
> Must be some sort of meeting or convention.  Probably commies or
> socialists.  They drive scooters, don't they?
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/subversive-activities.html
>
> ;-)

I understand motorcycle gangs are a bit of a problem in Canada.

I suspect the worst thing you'd have to fear from the riders of these
piglets is a recital of really bad poetry.

Or something.

DS

PS I like it.

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Re: PESO: Smoothie

[David Savage]

That is an excellent environmental portrait. I love her interaction
with the camera.

IMO it's much better than the candid stuff of yours where the subject
is unaware.

Cheers,

Dave

2010/1/5 P N Stenquist :
> Another Key West pic from this past April:
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10450970&size=lg
>
> K20D, DA* 16-50/2.8, f56, 1/125, ISO 200, + 1/2 stop exposure comp, 31mm

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Re: I'm done with "models"

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2009/12/31 William Robb :
> I've had it.
> Too high maintenance.
> Too frustrating.
> Too much drama.

And here's me trying to get into doing more of that stuff...

> This past year has been incredibly frustrating for me. I had wanted to hone
> some of my studio skills, which are getting decidedly rusty. I arranged
> about a dozen shoots during the entire year, five happened, none were
> especially satisfactory.
> Last minute cancelleations, flakes, models not prepared to shoot (cancelling
> after they walked in the door) was more the norm than shooting.
> I shot this on my kitchen counter last night. Personally, I think it's one
> of the better pictures I've taken this year, and I didn't have to wait for a
> no show.
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/newer_still/4362.html

Well the lighting is spot on. Nice one.

> I think I'm going to spend 2010 shooting rocks, flowers, blades of grass and
> old wrecked buildings and cars.

No...

> The portait studio is closed until further notice.
> I'm done with that crap.

Wear a beret, shoot dog shit and market it as fine art maybe?

DS

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PESO - Support

[David Savage]

G'day All,

Revisiting some old shots and came across this one from my trip to
Canada/GFM in '07. Taken during a refuelling stop at Incheon
international airport, Republic of Korea:



Direct Link (~)


K10D, DA 16-45mm f4 @ 45mm, 1/10 @ f5.6, ISO 200

Enjoy.

Cheers,

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Re: PESO - Welcome to Canada!

[David Savage]

That's nice, but I think I'll just keep enjoying the sight of pretty
things in bikinis walking down the street.

(I kid you not, I saw that on the weekend. Gawd I love summer)

DS

2010/1/6 frank theriault :
> For you guys and gals in the Southern Hemisphere:
>
> http://mondociclismo.blogspot.com/2010/01/welcome-to-canada.html
>
> We're having a bit of a "snow event" (as the Weather Channel likes to
> call it now) here in Toronto.  Not much, maybe an inch or two.  It's
> kind of sticky - I think it makes a bike look lovely!
>
> It was pretty much pitch dark when I took this on the way into my
> apartment, though you'd never know it from the photo - that's why it's
> grainy, I shot @ ISO 3200.
>
> Enjoy!  Comments welcome.

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Re: Another GESO; Sydney PDML

[David Savage]

The more photos I see of PDML'ers the more I come to understand why
they hide behind a camera...

:-D

Nice series Brian.

Dave

2010/1/5 Brian Walters :
> Not up to Rob's standard (that K-x high ISO performance indoors is
> something else!) but here they are:
>
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/PDML_Sydney_Jan2010/index.html
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
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Re: I left my Pentax 360 Flash . . .

[David Savage]

OK, I wont.

DS

2010/1/4 David J Brooks :
> Don't ever leave a can of Coke in a vehicle at -40 C. It took me the
> better part of a day off to get at all off the windshield, dash and
> seat.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Christine  Aguila  
> wrote:
>> . . . in the car for 3 nights.  I couldn't find it this morning when trying
>> to pack up camera gear for tomorrow and mentioned this to my husband, who
>> then told me he knew where it was and forgot to bring it up from the car.
>> Yikes!   I put it in a plastic bag, let it come back to room temperature,
>> then just tested it on the K10D.  Seems to work fine.  We thought the
>> batteries would be dead for sure, but I got 4 shots off.  I feel lucky. It's
>> an omen:  it's going to be a great year for ALL Pentax photographers. :-).
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OT PESO - Condensate

[David Savage]

G'day All,

While it may be cold in where a lot of you are, it was bloody hot here
today. I was sitting in front of the computer when I noticed my bottle
of water backlit by the monitor:



Direct link (~350kb)



D700, Voigtlander 125mm f2.5 Macro, 1/100 @ f4, ISO 6400

Enjoy.

Dave

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Re: GESO NSW PDML

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2010/1/4 Cotty :
> On 4/1/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>  authkey=Gv1sRgCPamu63HsdnI6AE#>
>
> Great gallery - thanks for sharing - hope you guys had a good time.
> Really should do something about Christian's hair - don't you guys have
> showers in Australia? ;-)

Showers?

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Re: GESO NSW PDML

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Well it's nice to put a couple of more faces to names.

Shame I had to pike out.

DS

2010/1/4 Rob Studdert :
> Hi Team,
>
> As most know Christian is out in Oz and has a few days in Sydney so he
> decided to brave a meet with Brian, Anthony and I. Weather was OK, a
> bit grey and threatening in the morning but fined up later in the day
> making for a pleasant day to be out.
>
> It was a lazy day shooting for me, I mostly shot auto, intervened very
> little, the conversation was more interesting than the photography
> frankly. In any case I have put together a small set of pics from the
> day, I hope they may be of interest/entertaining.
>
> All the pics were derived from 2MP in camera jpegs which were lazily
> edited in Picasa. The pano images were stitched in Autopano Pro and
> the HDR image was compiled using qtpfsgui. I haven't even touched the
> RAW files. The location is the The Australian National Maritime Museum
> on Darling Harbour, Sydney.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/SydneyPDML2010?authkey=Gv1sRgCPamu63HsdnI6AE#

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Re: Wide angle for K-X?

[David Savage]

I agree, but it's the DOF control offered by the fast stuff that gives
creative possibilities.

I just bought the Nikon 85mm f1.4. Sure, it's not at it's best at that
aperture, but the ability selectively isolate details and surround
them with soft bokeh goodness is awesome.

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2010/1/4 Bob Sullivan :
> Adam,
> Of course, I can argue that a useful ISO 1600 in digital negates the
> need for an f2 or better.
> Regards,  Bob S.
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
>>> On Jan 3, 2010, at 06:32 , Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
 Pentax offers nothing truly comparable to the 58 Nokton, the FA 50/1.4
 handles worse (particularly for manual focus, the Nokton has a large
 and well damped focus ring) and has significant QC problems with
 recent production and the DA* 55 is about twice the price of the
 Nokton and both are shorter lenses in a range where smaller focal
 length differences remain noticeable.

 At the wide end Pentax is lacking any fast glass wider than 31mm.
 While Pentax lenses are excellent, Pentax really has not provided a
 full lens line unless your needs are small but slow primes and/or f2.8
 zooms.

 -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You consider the DA 14mm ƒ2.8 slow?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, but not terribly so, f2.8 is quite acceptable for a 21mm
>> equivalent, but by is no means fast. Remember, the FF world has lenses
>> faster than f2 in this FoV range (Oly 21/2, Sigma 20/1.8, Leica
>> 21/1.4, even Pentax's prototype 20/1.4). Pentax has exactly two lenses
>> wider than 31mm and faster than f2.8 (28/2, FA* 24/2), and neither are
>> current-production
>>
>> -Adam
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Re: PESO -- Surf Club, Madison, Connecticut

[David Savage]

2010/1/3 William Robb :
>
> - Original Message - From: "paul stenquist"
> Subject: Re: PESO -- Surf Club, Madison, Connecticut
>
>
>
>>
>> I see the smiley, and I know this response is tongue in cheek. But I care
>> what Peter thinks. I'm not in favor of uninvited alterations to the photos
>> of others. Just my opinion. No offense to anyone.
>
> Then don't posting pictures to the web, and certainly don't post pictures to
> a forum of photographers.

I remember when Peter first posted this shot a few years ago, the same
B&W suggestion was made. I even think a few of us had a crack at the
conversion. I know I did.

DS

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Re: New Year

[David Savage]

2010/1/2 William Robb :
>
> - Original Message - From: "David Savage" Subject: Re: New Year
>
>
>> Damn!
>>
>> I spent new years day sobering up pool side.
>
> It's warmed up a degree since then.

Balmy

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Re: New Year

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Damn!

I spent new years day sobering up pool side.

DS

2010/1/1 William Robb :
> Happy new year from the decidedly chilly north.
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/temp/cold1.jpg

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Re: FS: Lenses, Camera, TC's, Tripod

[David Savage]

2009/12/29 P. J. Alling :
> On 12/28/2009 9:25 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Jerome Reyes
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Perhaps a little
>>> more exposure will teach me to appreciate my Pentax stuff... or perhaps
>>> this
>>> is goodbye. Only time will tell.
>>>
>>
>> Dave S and I shoot with Nikon as well as Pentax.
>>
>> The PDML tolerates us, just.
>>
>
> Tolerate; disparage, what ever...




Gawd I love the warm weather.

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Re: prices

[David Savage]

2009/12/28 David J Brooks :
> There have been a number of Nikon D3000 and D5000 commercials on lately.
> She keeps asking, how much does this one sell for or how much is that one.
>
> Should i take this to mean its ok to get theD300/ D700??

Most definitely.

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OT PESO (x8) - Recent stuff

[David Savage]

Merry Christmas All,

Well Chrissy lunch is done & I'm about to enjoy my alcohol buzz by
watching Gran Torino. But before I do I thought I'd share some of my
recent stuff:

Frosted Glass


Fuel


Blue Metal (Zoolander reference)

(That's a SP BTW. Testing the Nikon SU-800 IR Flash Trigger & Lastolite Ezybox)

Browsing


Feisty


Barossa (South Australia's famous wine region)


Large(~300kb)


End of the tunnel


Under the Sea

My friends gave me an underwater bag for the G10 for my birthday. Came
in handy given I was going on a snorkelling trip the next day.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

[David Savage]

Good stuff. It'll be our secret :-)



2009/12/25 Christian :
> Once we're in Manly I'll get shots of the "chicks" just don't tell my wife!
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>
>
> David Savage wrote:
>>
>> Dude!!! It's summer!!!
>>
>> You are photographing the wrong type of chick.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> 2009/12/25 Christian :
>>>
>>> http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html
>>>
>>> You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)
>>
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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

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2009/12/25 frank theriault :
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Christian  wrote:
>
>
>> Thanks, frank!  I thought about photoshoping a santa hat on this guy...
>
> Well, you know me, usually I'm not into such manipulations, but what
> with it being Christmas and all, if it were done in a ~tasteful~ way
> it might work...

Might be good for a laugh...

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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[David Savage]

Speaking of which...

I got to hold an play with a K7 this week (nice camera, but I'd
forgotten how noisy the older in camera motor AF was). Jeeebus it
feels like a feather weight kids toy in my hand after about 18 months
of D700 usage.

Which probably explains why my arms are looking so ripped :-)

DS

2009/12/25 Thomas Cakalic :
> Size consideration is for wimps. :-)
>
> Tom
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 6:31 PM, paul stenquist  
> wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/12/2009, paul stenquist  wrote:
>>>
 I agree. That's not a big difference. But the big plus for me with the K7 
 has been the exposure accuracy. No comparison between that camera and the 
 20 in regards to nailing the exposure. The Kx doesn't have the same 
 metering system as the K20. It's considerably less sophisticated in that 
 regard. That would be the deal breaker for me. Plus, I think it's even 
 smaller. The K7 is borderline in that regard for me, even with the battery 
 grip installed. I need mass for handholding. As far as low light is 
 concerned, I've found the K7 to be quite adequate at 3200 with accurate 
 exposure, and that's all I need. My commercial work is never low light. I 
 do shoot lowlight snaps of Grace and pics for grins, but those aren't 
 critical.
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to see some real life comparisons showing how
>>> the metering responds between the Kx and K7, I've not a fan of the
>>> K10/20 though I still have a 20. The K20 is a behemoth compared to the
>>> *ist D or Kx even without the grip. I bought the Kx so that I could
>>> retire my *ist D as my general duty (i'll take it because it's not too
>>> big) available light cam and so far it's doing the job well, it so
>>> nice having a screen that's bigger than a postage stamp, LV, video and
>>> much faster save times.
>>>
>> If size is a consideration, the Kx is obviously a good choice. I have no 
>> idea how accurate the kx metering might be, but I know the K7 excels in that 
>> regard. In any case, it's my main tool for now. And I'll shoot the heck out 
>> of it:-). I'm already at 10,000 exposures, thanks to some marathon magazine 
>> shoots. It's a good hammer!
>> Paul

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Re: PESO - Happy Holidays from Down Under

[David Savage]

Dude!!! It's summer!!!

You are photographing the wrong type of chick.

;-)

2009/12/25 Christian :
> http://birdofthemoment.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-of-bush.html
>
> You weren't expecting anything else were you? :-)

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Re: OT - Epic journey to Oz

[David Savage]

A small quantity of vodka in his juice will fix that :-)



2009/12/25 Rob Studdert :
> On 25/12/2009, John Sessoms  wrote:
>
>> I don't know if there's any reason not to just assign a maximum weight of
>> carry-on for each passenger instead of a maximum weight per bag and a two
>> bag limit, other than if someone *IS* going to drop their bag on me trying
>> to stuff it into the overhead, a 15 pound bag will hurt less than a 30 pound
>> bag.
>
> Apart from the obvious requirements to limit total weight I'd imagine
> that the bag weight limit is due to a combination of OH&S regulations
> and the practical safety aspects associated with overhead storage.
>
> Santa's been at my place, Jr got up at 3:30 and he's staying up!

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Re: dpreview reviews the k-x....

[David Savage]

But if you wanna' freeze the motion of stars high ISO performance is critical.

2009/12/25 Thomas Cakalic :
> I like by pictures taken in the dark to look that way, so I'd never
> use the high ISO settings.  :-)
>
> 2009/12/24 Margus Männik :
>> Tim Bray wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Subash  wrote:
>>>

 ...and gives it a 'highly recommended':

 http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxkx/

>>>
>>> And says the low-light handling is better than the K-7's.  Hmf. -T
>>>
>>
>> Yes, and they're absolutely correct. I tested the camera for 3 weeks and as
>> a result, K-7 doesn't impress me any more. It's dark here...
>>
>> BR, Margus
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Re: OT: Need recommendation for computer video card

[David Savage]

2009/12/24 William Robb :
> And I think we got a foot of snow last night

I'm going to a pool party Christmas day.

The only ice I'll have to contend with will be in my drinks.

:-D

Merry Christmas.

Dave

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Re: Happy Holidays PDML!

[David Savage]

2009/12/24 Cotty :
> On 23/12/09, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>http://tinyurl.com/ydp8q2v
>>
>>
>>http://www.caguila.com/caguila/pdmlholiday/content/
> pdml_holiday_4_copy_large.html
>>
>>
>>Wishing you all the best.  Big cheers, Christine & Darrel
>
> So I guess your library memberships have lapsed..?

Mate, where do you think all the books come from?

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Re: OT: cool space shuttle video

[David Savage]

Dewd! What's mine say...?

2009/12/23 Scott Loveless :
> On 12/23/09, David Savage  wrote:
>> ...witty & insightful commentary too.
>>
>>  Neat to see with the sound down methinks.
>
> But the sound is s kewl.  Did you hear it?  It's sooo kewl.  Oh,
> man.  Did you hear the sound?  Holy shit, it's sooo kewl.
>
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Re: OT: cool space shuttle video

[David Savage]

...witty & insightful commentary too.

Neat to see with the sound down methinks.

Derv

2009/12/23 Cotty :
> On 22/12/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv5J5cBwwFc
>
> Very cool thanks.
>
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> Cheers,
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Re: Very OT: An adventurous Welshman...

[David Savage]

YAY for shenanigans.

2009/12/23 Scott Loveless :
> On 12/23/09, Bob Sullivan  wrote:
>> Plonk!  Time to block such foolish and derogatory emails from Bob W.
>
> I call shenanigans.  PDML rule #387 - You can't Plonk! someone based
> on the content of a message if the sender puts "Very OT" in the
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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital - the "all vinyl is noisy" myth, , exposedinvideo

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2009/11/16 Rob Studdert :

> Ignorance is bliss, but bliss can be expensive.

MARK!

And with that, I'm outta' here.

DS

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Re: David Burnett - How I Got That Shot of Ayatollah Khomeini

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2009/11/15 Bob W :
>>
>> David Burnett has a slideshow over at slate.com this week.
>> New book out too
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/id/2234851/
>>
>
> One of my friends was living in Teheran when the revolution started. His
> father worked for an oil company at the time. The friend was an aspiring
> photographer and was very keen to get out there on the streets. But in a
> blow that destroyed any chance he might have had of becoming a hard-bitten,
> cynical war photographer, his Mum wouldn't let him go out. He still hasn't
> lived it down, and despite him becoming a photographer and earning a living
> that way for over 20 years, I do like to remind him sometimes.
>
> I, on the other hand, watched it from the comfort of a very beautiful
> apartment in Nice, overlooking the bay.

I watched it from behind the bars of my cot.

:-)

DS

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FYI - Website - dpBestflow

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HTH

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: Pentax Kids! or November PUG is up

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2009/11/13 Scott Loveless :
> Next month's is "Film".  Liberal interpretation allowed for those of
> you without a proper camera.

True. Not everyone shoots Nikon.

:-D

DS

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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[David Savage]

If my reply is poorly mastered, you probably wouldn't be able to truly
appreciate it anyway.

On 14/11/2009, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> David Savage wrote:
>
>>Thats all well and good, but if listening to a "poor quality"
>>recording of a favoured song can lighten my mood and make me forget my
>>troubles, why should I give a shit if I can't hear the lead singer
>>scratch his nuts?
>
> I can't think of a good reason why you'd want to hear that under *any*
> circumstances.
>
> And if you can... I don't want to hear about it.
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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

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Thats all well and good, but if listening to a "poor quality"
recording of a favoured song can lighten my mood and make me forget my
troubles, why should I give a shit if I can't hear the lead singer
scratch his nuts?

On 14/11/2009, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> it does if the music and recording is truly sublime quality, when
> that is lost you never even know what you missed, let
> alone enjoy it just as much. Music isnt just about words
> and beats and melodies, its about SOUNDS, sounds of instruments
> and sounds can be beautiful, when the sound aint right, you
> ARE not fully enjoying what is there for the enjoyment, no
> matter how many times you say you are, you cant enjoy what you
> cant hear.
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>
> -Original Message-----
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
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>
>
> Ditto.
>
> The technical perfection of the recording/playback medium don't matter
> much compared to the "meat" of the music.
>
> On 14/11/2009, steve harley  wrote:
>> On 2009-11-13 12:17 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>>> You wouldn't say perfect or highest possible fideility is overrated
>>> if you heard some of the worlds greatest recordings in all their
>>> glory.
>>
>> please don't tell me what _i'd_ say
>>
>> i've spent a lifetime enjoying a wide variety of great live music;
>> while i understand fidelity and the limitations of digital (and
>> analog) audio, and while i'm somewhat awed by top-notch equipment and
>> its output, i have no problem with "good enough" for recorded music;
>> good enough is a holistic evaluation that everone will make
>> differently -- for me it's more about the expression and "heart" of
>> the music than it is about absolute fidelity; even with mediocre
>> equipment and lots of background noise i can really enjoy music; i
>> think that sense of "good enough" holds for a lot of others too, based
>
>> on the prevalence of car audio, iPods, etc.
>>
>> it's pretty much same with photography for me
>>
>>
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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

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Ditto.

The technical perfection of the recording/playback medium don't matter
much compared to the "meat" of the music.

On 14/11/2009, steve harley  wrote:
> On 2009-11-13 12:17 , J.C. O'Connell wrote:
>> You wouldn't say perfect or highest possible fideility is overrated
>> if you heard some of the worlds greatest recordings
>> in all their glory.
>
> please don't tell me what _i'd_ say
>
> i've spent a lifetime enjoying a wide variety of great live music; while
> i understand fidelity and the limitations of digital (and analog) audio,
> and while i'm somewhat awed by top-notch equipment and its output, i
> have no problem with "good enough" for recorded music; good enough is a
> holistic evaluation that everone will make differently -- for me it's
> more about the expression and "heart" of the music than it is about
> absolute fidelity; even with mediocre equipment and lots of background
> noise i can really enjoy music; i think that sense of "good enough"
> holds for a lot of others too, based on the prevalence of car audio,
> iPods, etc.
>
> it's pretty much same with photography for me
>
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Re: OT: Vinyl vs. Digital

[David Savage]

Yay for iPods

Given the way I've been feeling this year I'd be in a padded cell if
it wasn't for the portable wonder from Ciderland.

DS

2009/11/12 Tom C :
> OMG!... sorry for, the OT...
>
> I know my observations, forthcoming, are not scientific and subjective
> to the extreme... BUT...
>
> Like many, I got a CD player in the mid '80's and never looked back.
> The apparent 0 background noise, no clicking, pops, dust, made me love
> CD's.
>
> My son told me two months ago that he was interested in vinyl records.
>  That's all it took to make me start looking around at vintage gear.
> I've kind of stagnated on a mid 90's Technics all-purpose AV receiver,
> quite well spec'd and all, with either Bose Acoustimass speakers
> and/or whatever is installed in the ceiling of our home.
>
> I started out planning on giving him my early '80's Kenwood
> 30W/channel system, amp, tuner, EQ, and getting a mint Technics TT and
> a better than average cartridge.  He would choose the loudspeakers.
>
> Well I went a small bit crazy.  He also was interested in
> reel-to-reel, something I always wanted, but I opted for cassette back
> in earlier years for $ reason and because I could make a tape and play
> it in the car. So I bought him a mint TEAC 3340S 4-track.  My Kenwood
> system, quite nice, but all I could afford at 21 yrs. old, does not
> accomodate the necessary tape inputs/outputs, dubbing, etc., and has
> no speaker A/B for a possible sub-woofer.  So onto look at more amps.
>
> I bought him a nice used Denon 50W/channel receiver & perfect Pioneer
> CD changer for $150.  Then I saw a Kenwood KA-3500 40W/channel
> integrated amp and got it for $31.  I subsequently saw a 65W/channel
> late '70's Pioneer integrated amp & tuner in mint condition with the
> silver fronts, wood sides, Blue Fluoro meters, and analog tuning for
> $260 + shipping. He liked it the best out of the bunch, and we got it.
>
> He had picked out some PSB (Canadian-made) speakers which are quite
> good (also my pick of the affordable ones we demo'd) and which are due
> to arrive.  Meanwhile I found a pair of mid '80's B&W English-made
> speakers for $100 and bought them undemo'd on a whim.
>
> I've sat here most of the day listening to some vintage LP'S (OK, 99%
> Beatles with a little Nat King Cole, Chicago, Heart, Macca, and
> classical thrown in).  This is with a $31 amp, a vintage turntable and
> a cheap Audio-Technica cartridge, and a 25 year old pair of speakers.
>
> I may never buy another CD again.  The amount of musical detail I can
> hear and the dynamics of the music (can't describe it any better) are
> just superb.  It sounds like real music and real voices.
>
> Likely the Pioneer turntable/cartridge and JBL tower speakers I could
> afford when I was much younger were not as good as what I'm listening
> to at the moment.  Just the musicality of what I'm hearing on 20-30
> year old gear and on equally old vinyl LP's is astounding (I purchased
> 214, played only once LP's + a 50w/ch Technics receiver, cassette
> deck, a 2nd pretty good TT, and speakers (worthless), for $250). It
> was worth 2x-3x more than that for the LP's alone.  What I'm hearing
> is really better than what I hear on CD or iPod.
>
> Simply amazed... not over-imbibed, just astounded.  I got my hearing back.
>
> In between all that I found a '80's Pioneer 100W/channel amp, tuner,
> EQ, and timer for $95 in like new condition, which I got solely for
> the EQ & timer.
>
> (I'm not going to tell you this led to me getting a mint Denon amp &
> mint B&W speakers for myself... now looking for the right TT & tuner).
>
> It's not bad, living vicariously through your children.
>
> Tom
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Re: Geso: Sammie

[David Savage]

Nice series.

This one is my fave:


Cheers,

Dave

2009/11/12 William Robb :
> Please allow me to introduce Sammie.
>
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/gesos/studio/sammi1/index.html
>
> I think she is very pretty.
> Anyway, tech stuff:
> K-7/ iso 100.
> 70mm LTD, around f/8.
> Images are resized and processed only.
>
> All shots done with a 22" Beauty Dish, some had either a white or gold
> reflector.
> The shots with the bright background, that background is the Beauty Dish
> firing at 800 WS. The main light is actually a reflector.
> Sometimes I'm just friggin amazed at what SMC lets me do.
>
> William Robb

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Re: Geso: Sammie

[David Savage]

She looks far too young to be one of the first.

On 12/11/2009, Tom Cakalic  wrote:
> Pretty food for a Pentax. ;-)
>
> Seriously, very nice.  Is she of the First Peoples?
>
> Tom
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:56 PM, William Robb  wrote:
>> Please allow me to introduce Sammie.
>>
>> http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/pictures/gesos/studio/sammi1/index.html
>>
>> I think she is very pretty.
>> Anyway, tech stuff:
>> K-7/ iso 100.
>> 70mm LTD, around f/8.
>> Images are resized and processed only.
>>
>> All shots done with a 22" Beauty Dish, some had either a white or gold
>> reflector.
>> The shots with the bright background, that background is the Beauty Dish
>> firing at 800 WS. The main light is actually a reflector.
>> Sometimes I'm just friggin amazed at what SMC lets me do.
>>
>> William Robb
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Re: OT PESO - Gaze

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2009/11/12  :
> In a message dated 11/10/2009 3:41:44 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
> ozsav...@gmail.com writes:
> G'day Folks,
>
> For  your  consideration:
>
> 
>
> Direct  link  (~kb)
>
> 
>
> D700,  14-24mm f2.8 @ 23mm, f4.8 @ 1/350, ISO 400. rendered in  LR.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> ..or  not.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
> =
> Boy, she's skinny. She look  anorexic.

She's not.

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Re: OT PESO - Gaze

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Thanks to Dario, Frank & Dave.

Cheers,

DS

2009/11/11 David J Brooks :
> Like it.
>
> Well done
>
> Dave
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:41 AM, David Savage  wrote:
>> G'day Folks,
>>
>> For your consideration:
>>
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4089613578/>
>>
>> Direct link (~kb)
>>
>> <http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2537/4089613578_6a575bea29_o.jpg>
>>
>> D700, 14-24mm f2.8 @ 23mm, f4.8 @ 1/350, ISO 400. rendered in LR.
>>

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Re: OT - Very Cool Pano

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2009/11/10 Brian Walters :
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:45 +0800, "David Savage" 
> wrote:
>> Check out the awesomeness:
>>
>> <http://home.arcor.de/axel.mellinger/>
>>
>
>
> Now that is something special!  I think a better adjective is needed -
> 'awesome' just doesn't cut it.

Thats the best I've got :-)

>> I think he's reached his bandwidth limit as the link to the zoomable
>> version hangs.
>>
>> Kinda puts my humble effort to shame:
>>
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3654473550>
>>
>
>
> Well, your's is only 7 frames.  But it's bloody good; I'd love to see it
> larger.

<.http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2433/3654473550_3c5c587408_o.jpg>

I'm slowly re working this shot & intend to get it printed large.

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Re: OT Anyone see the irony in this clip? ;-)

[David Savage]

Nope. Just a pretty girl.

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2009/11/10 Rob Studdert :
> http://www.vimeo.com/7484260
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Re: PESO - Stares

[David Savage]

Hehehe...

2009/11/10 Derby Chang :
>
> I don't mind being stared at when I have a pretty lens
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_11/09_11_stares/01.htm

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OT - Very Cool Pano

[David Savage]

Check out the awesomeness:



I think he's reached his bandwidth limit as the link to the zoomable
version hangs.

Kinda puts my humble effort to shame:



:-)

Cheers,

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OT PESO - Gaze

[David Savage]

G'day Folks,

For your consideration:



Direct link (~kb)



D700, 14-24mm f2.8 @ 23mm, f4.8 @ 1/350, ISO 400. rendered in LR.

Enjoy.

..or not.

Cheers,

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Re: But what are you taking pictures for?

[David Savage]

I love the fact that when I'm out taking night shots I generally don't
have to be concerned about what others think, as there is no one with
cooee to observe what I'm doing.

Remote outback ftw!!

Nice shots Larry. You need a D700 :-)

DS

2009/11/10 Derby Chang :
> Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> I was having so much fun taking pictures on my drive home, that by
>> 1:30 or so I was still fifty miles south of Los Bano and had to pull
>> over for a nap. After my nap, while I was adding nitrates to the soil,
>> I noticed how cool Orion looked juxtaposed with a telephone
>> pole. After I got some frames of that, a couple other things caught my
>> eye.
>> It was about quarter of three, I was 50-100m down the road, just
>> finishing up, when I noticed a cop car parked next to my car. He had
>> stopped to make sure that it hadn't been abandoned. The laptop on the
>> seat assured him of that.  He was, however, utterly perplexed at what
>> someone was doing, at that time of night, in the suburbs of nowhere,
>> taking pictures. The phrase "But what are you taking pictures *for*?"
>> kept coming up.
>>
>> I asked him if he ever took pictures just because they were pretty?
>> Nope.
>> Do you paint?
>> Nope.
>> Make music?
>> Nope.
>>
>> Would you like to see them?
>> OK.
>>
>> We got to my camera just as the bracketed set was finishing up, and I
>> put one of the shots on the display.
>>
>> "Cool!"
>>
>> I've narrowed the myriad of bracketed shots from that session down to
>> 14, I still have some work to do:
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622649186149/
>>
>> Unfortunately, there seems to be a bit of dust on the sensor, which
>> I've cropped out in a couple of them:
>>
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157622649186149/
>>
>>
>
>
> That is the best story I've read in a while. Many times, while adding
> nitrates to the environment, I've had philosophical thoughts. Never been in
> an opportunity when I could share my thoughts with law enforcement.

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Re: What to do with these images?

[David Savage]

In Lightroom I suggest getting busy with the luminance slider on the
sky to giv a faux polarised look then maybe a couple of gradient
masks.

Here's a Q&D rendering:



Cheers,

Dave

2009/11/9 Igor Roshchin :
>
> I found a few shots I took in 2008 in Central California
> (just north of Los Angeles).
> http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2008/IMGP3960.jpg
> http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Mixed-2008/IMGP3963.jpg
>
> To me they appear incomplete.
> For one, I wish I had a polarizer for the sky.
> I tried to tweak them a bit today, but I couldn't come up with what can
> be done to make them "playing".
>
> Your suggestions are solicited.
>
> Igor

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Re: GESO - Mini London PDML

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2009/11/8 Cotty :
> On 8/11/09, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>I see Cotty has a hat for his head and a hat for mike
>
> Who's Mike?  ;-)

The Irish Mic

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Re: Absolutely the best WTD ever

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Har!

2009/11/8 Mark Roberts :
> http://www.whattheduck.net/strip/609-sunday
>
> BTW: Can you believe I only just added What the Duck to my blogroll?
> Quell oversight.

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Re: OT PESO NSFW NSFF - Nude

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2009/11/8 William Robb :
>
> - Original Message - From: "David Savage" Subject: Re: OT PESO NSFW
> NSFF - Nude
>
>
>
> I'm ignoring the Nikon comment.
>
>
> Apparently not. At least I remembered my smiley.

D'oh

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Re: OT PESO NSFW NSFF - Nude

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2009/11/7 William Robb :
>
> - Original Message - From: "Christian" Subject: Re: OT PESO NSFW
> NSFF - Nude
>
>
>
>> It's a great first try!  Lighting, composition and exposure is spot on.
>>  I'm not a fan of her pose.  looks forced.
>>
>
> Thats my nit with it too. Well, that and it was probably shot with a Nikon
> :-)

I don't disagree with all the comments about the pose.

I'm ignoring the Nikon comment.

:-D

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Re: Re: OT: Geotagging

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2009/11/6 Rob Studdert :
> On 06/11/2009, David Savage  wrote:
>> Really?
>>
>> Here in Australia the GP-1 costs about the same as a mid range hand
>> held GPS unit, without the benefit of it being able to be used for
>> navigation.
>
> Surprised Dave? In Sharfstralia! No

No, not surprised.

But if it's expensive here, how much more expensive is it where Jens is?

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Re: Re: OT: Geotagging

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Really?

Here in Australia the GP-1 costs about the same as a mid range hand
held GPS unit, without the benefit of it being able to be used for
navigation.

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2009/11/6 Jens :
> Well,n I'm not must good with electronics :-) My 18 year old son might be 
> able to do it though. I understand, that the Nikon GP-1 (or something like 
> that) connects to the camera via the 10-pin socket for remote cables. It does 
> tag directly into the EXIF on the fly. Unfortunately this brilliant gadget 
> costs more than a K-7 :-)
>
> Jens
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> On Nov 5, 2009 11:18 "mike wilson"  wrote:
>>  Jens  wrote:
>> > So, what can I do.
>> Do it yourself?  Or, at least, comission someone to do it for you.
>> There must be some, comparatively easy, way to take an off-the-shelf
>> [=8-O] GPS board, fit it into a box to stick onto the hotshoe or
>> tripod socket and interface it with the camera.  There are at least
>> two sales on this miniscule sample of Pentax users; who knows how many
>> worldwide?  Even better, if you produce a functional item, you may be
>> able to get Pentax to then take it off your hands and rebrand it, for
>> a consideration.
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Re: PESO - Reading at Night

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Yep. That works.

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2009/11/4 frank theriault :
> I thought it was rather an odd place and time to sit and read a book:
>
> http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/11/reading-at-night.html
>
> Hope you enjoy.
>
> Comments always welcome.

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Re: OT: Graphic Designer vs Client

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Har!

Wheres the one for draughtsmen. That usually happens to us at about
4pm on a Friday afternoon.

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2009/11/3 David Mann :
> Warning: these are full of very nasty language.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfprIxNfCjk
>
> Here's one for the web developers...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sU3KaT74JE&NR=1
>
> Cheers,
> Dave

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Re: My Last Epson Printer?

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2009/11/3 Godfrey DiGiorgi :
> Much ado about nothing at all.

On the PDML?

Knock me down with a feather.

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Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently!

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2009/11/2 mike wilson :
>
>  eactiv...@aol.com wrote:
>> I like having sexual objectification on the other foot now
>> and then, just for the sheer unusualness of it.
>
> Mark!

Foot fetishists are a weird breed.

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Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently!

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My man cans are heaps sexy!

On 01/11/2009, frank theriault  wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:38 PM, paul stenquist 
> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>> Why is it sexist? I think it's mildly erotic and has sexual connotations,
>> but I don't find it demeaning to either sex. If a man opens his shirt and
>> lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well?
>
> Does something have to be demeaning to be sexist?  Portraying someone
> as a sexual being first and a person second is sexist to me;  you may
> not agree.
>
> And, yes, if a man opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, I'd say
> that's sexist, too.  That being said, it's clearly not the same thing
> as what this photo portrays.  Society has sexualized mammary glands -
> sexy though man's chest may or may not be it just isn't the same as a
> woman's chest.
>
> The fact that we see much, much more cheesecake than beefcake - both
> on this list and in society generally - speaks volumes, doesn't  it?
> Women are portrayed as sexual creatures ~far~ more often than men are.
>
> I'm not saying that I'm offended or that such photos ought not be
> posted (far be it from me to be a censor!), I just find such "mild
> eroticism" (as you put it) to be rather needless and somewhat tedious.
>  It's just not my thing, I guess.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
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Re: OT PESO - The Look

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:-)

2009/10/28 P. J. Alling :
> And I thought it wasn't possible to hate you even more...
>
> David Savage wrote:
>>
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Last one from the beach shoot for a while:
>>
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4052053907/>
>>
>> Direct link (~230kb)
>>
>> <http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2445/4052053907_b86c58ba73_o.jpg>

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Re: OT PESO - The Look

[David Savage]

2009/10/29 Larry Colen :
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 09:37:55PM +0800, David Savage wrote:
>> G'day All,
>>
>> Last one from the beach shoot for a while:
>>
>> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/4052053907/>
>>
>> Direct link (~230kb)
>>
>> <http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2445/4052053907_b86c58ba73_o.jpg>
>
> Is the orange light coming from a gelled strobe, or the sunset?  I suspect
> that its a strobe off to camera right, because the background is too
> evenly lit for it to be from a fill.
>
> I just went back to the main page and see that you're using a gold
> reflector.
>
> The model is gorgeous, the pose is nice and I pretty much like the
> level of lighting, but I find the weird mix of color balance a little
> unsettling.

Yeah it is a bit OTT

> As I see it:
> There's sunlight on her left shoulder, from behind.  That would be
> color balanced with the sand.
> Most of the light on her face is from a gold reflector, which seems a
> bit too gold to me.
> Her right arm and leg are in shadow, and color balanced a bit closer
> to the background.
>
> Am I close?

100% correct.

> The warm lighting is nice, but maybe a touch too much of a good thing.
> I'm also curious how it would look in black and white.
>
> There's also something weird about the out of focus background when I
> look at the large version of the photo, it doesn't seem so odd looking
> on the smaller one.

The background was masked in Lightroom and the clarity was dialled all
the way to -100 to soften it up. It is too much but meh!

:-)

Thanks for looking & commenting.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: PESO for Canadians

[David Savage]

2009/10/28 P. J. Alling :
> Mark Roberts wrote:
>>
>> Found in a gift shop in Pittsburgh:
>> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/
>>
>
> That is probably the silliest thing I've seen, well at least this week.

No mirrors at home?

:-P

DS

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Re: Let me introduce myself... and a PESO

[David Savage]

Welcome back to the nuthouse.

DS

2009/10/28 Sandra Hermann :
>
>
> Hi!  My name is Sandy or jeepgirl.  I have been lurking for awhile, but 
> apparently my setting was wrong in my email so I couldn't post.  (Thanks 
> Doug)  Pentax and I have been friends since Dec of 1995.  Hopefully I have 
> improved a lot since then. I shoot for stress relief.  I am currently 
> unemployed and have some extra time on my hands so I thought I would get back 
> in touch with some of my favorite people.  I hope life is treating you all 
> well!
> For my PESO check out:  
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LBVQqSnxnVs/SuTFA-InhVI/CbQ/5jg3p3PN0sY/s1600-h/1.jpg
> The whole blog is open and only shot that I have taken recently.   I have 
> more stuff on Facebook, but it seems to get mixed in with life pictures.
> Tell me what you think!
> Talk to you all again soon
>
> Jeepgirl
>  Help me support Autism research!  Join my 
> team!  http://www.walknowforautism.org/stlouis/blubiconsbuddies
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OT PESO - The Look

[David Savage]

G'day All,

Last one from the beach shoot for a while:



Direct link (~230kb)



Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: OT PESO - Casey

[David Savage]

2009/10/27 John Sessoms :
> From: David Savage
>>
>> 2009/10/26 John Sessoms :
>>>
>>> > From: David Savage
>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well I didn't take any photos, but I did get a good enough look at
>>>> >> said lovelies to know that they are very real.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is a situation where the right choice of top has complemented
>>>> >> her
>>>> >> assets rather well.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Pose and camera angle add to the illusion. It'd be 10 out of 10 if it
>>> > didn't
>>> > have the blown highlight.
>>
>> Not that I disagree, but what is it about the blown highlight that
>> detracts?
>
> The highlights are very specular, and the way digital captures them makes
> them garish. The transition is so abrupt, like falling off a cliff. You lose
> the texture and distort the modeling of the face ... and other areas. Look
> at the right arm near the elbow. It looks like the forearm is just laying
> there detached from the model.
>
> It's not a criticism of the photo. The way digital handles blown highlights
> is just one of the realities of the medium that every photographer is going
> to have to deal with.
>
> This is a well composed, well posed photo. It does more than just present
> the obvious "assets".
>
> I remember earlier in the thread you expressed the wish you'd had a large
> diffuser to soften the light.
>
> And I got the impression these model shoots are organized by a photo club of
> some kind. If you can't afford the diffuser yourself, maybe the club could
> invest in one for group shoots.
>
> But, if this was a workshop you paid to participate in, whoever organized
> the workshop should have had that diffuser available.
>
> Softer light would have helped make the highlights less specular and would
> have pushed the photo over the top.
>
> 10 out of 10 or maybe even "goes to 11".

Good points all.

This was the free form session at the end of the workshop where we
were basically pointed at the models, handed some lights & reflectors
and told "put what you've been shown over the last day and a bit and
see what you can come up with"

I admit I need more practice. Oh well. I'm willing to suffer for this "art".

:-D

DS

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Re: OT PESO - NSFW Apparently!

[David Savage]

2009/10/28 Cotty :
> On 26/10/09, paul stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>If a man
>>opens his shirt and lowers his pants a bit, is that sexist as well?
>
> If I did it, there would be an uprising.

Don't take the little blue pill beforehand.

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Re: Too many film cameras...

[David Savage]

Film?

On 28/10/2009, Bong Manayon  wrote:
> ...and am having trouble giving them attention; but would you pass up
> an excellent condition Pentax LX for around US$125?  It's been sitting
> in someone's closet for all these time and it comes with an M 35/2.8
> (...and a sticky mirror--but that's because of lack of exercise).
>
> Now I have even more film cams :-D
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OT PESO - NSFW Apparently!

[David Savage]

G'day All,

This shot was booted out of one of my Flickr groups for contravening
their safe image rules:



Direct link (~130kb):



 I can't understand why.

:-)

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Dave

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