Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: David Savage 
Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised



 
 When did you go and get all PC on us.
 

It's OK. Apparently the heathens celebrate Christmas as well.

William Robb

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-11 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: David Savage 
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised
 
 
 
 When did you go and get all PC on us.

 
 It's OK. Apparently the heathens celebrate Christmas as well.
 
Hey, I resemble that remark.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-11 Thread Norm Baugher
LOL!

Bran Everseeking wrote:
 I'm not Christian but do not object to the holiday theme; the annual
 season for the enrichment of retailers is nonsectarian.
   

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2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
Here's the tentative list, in order.  Comments, suggestions and cries of 
You suck, Loveless! are most welcome.

January - Photowalking
February - 'Tis the Season
March - Macro and Close-up
April - Portrait
May - Red Shirt
June - 11th Anniversary Gallery!
July - Sports and Action
August - Architecture
September - Documentary and Reportage
October - Etc...
November - Equinox Synchronicity
December - Landscape and Nature

Any suggestions and recommendations for themes and the order they should 
be in are much appreciated.

Thanks!

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
==
I don't get 'Tis the Season being for February  and Red Shirt sounds very
obscure. Don't get it at all.

Rest look  good.

Marnie aka Doe   :-)
==

OK.  Those are valid concerns and I have answers that hopefully will 
come across as logical.

In the past, seasonal themes often seemed to be due right at the time we 
needed to be shooting them.  So for tis the season, which will 
probably involve some Holiday shooting, I pushed it back to February so 
that everyone would have time to shoot and edit their photos.  Same for 
Nature/Lanscape.  Lots of us like to shoot fall foliage in October. 
Placing that theme in December gives us plenty to work on the photos.

Red Shirt comes from the Red Shirt School of Photography.  Wikipedia 
describes it better than I can: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography.  I think 
it sounds like a whole lot of fun.


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/10/2007 7:21:15 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here's the tentative list,  in order.  Comments, suggestions and cries of 
You suck, Loveless! are  most welcome.

January - Photowalking
February - 'Tis the  Season
March - Macro and Close-up
April - Portrait
May - Red  Shirt
June - 11th Anniversary Gallery!
July - Sports and Action
August  - Architecture
September - Documentary and Reportage
October -  Etc...
November - Equinox Synchronicity
December - Landscape and  Nature

Any suggestions and recommendations for themes and the order they  should 
be in are much appreciated.

Thanks!

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==
I don't get 'Tis the Season being for February  and Red Shirt sounds very 
obscure. Don't get it at all.

Rest look  good.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Rick Womer
Nice!

--- Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here's the tentative list, in order.  Comments,
 suggestions and cries of 
 You suck, Loveless! are most welcome.
 
 January - Photowalking
 February - 'Tis the Season
 March - Macro and Close-up
 April - Portrait
 May - Red Shirt
 June - 11th Anniversary Gallery!
 July - Sports and Action
 August - Architecture
 September - Documentary and Reportage
 October - Etc...
 November - Equinox Synchronicity
 December - Landscape and Nature
 
 Any suggestions and recommendations for themes and
 the order they should 
 be in are much appreciated.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/10/2007 7:41:10 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK.  Those are valid  concerns and I have answers that hopefully will 
come across as  logical.

In the past, seasonal themes often seemed to be due right at the  time we 
needed to be shooting them.  So for tis the season, which  will 
probably involve some Holiday shooting, I pushed it back to February so  
that everyone would have time to shoot and edit their photos.  Same for  
Nature/Lanscape.  Lots of us like to shoot fall foliage in October.  
Placing that theme in December gives us plenty to work on the  photos.

Red Shirt comes from the Red Shirt School of Photography.   Wikipedia 
describes it better than I can:  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography.  I think  
it sounds like a whole lot of fun.


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==
Okay, re 'Tis the Season. Can you include a  link for Red Shirt in the list 
of themes? 

Otherwise you may have to  remind people what it is at the time. :-) 

You also might put the  explanation for T's the Season in too. 

Just a suggestion. Rather than  just a list of themes, short. Like 'Tis the 
Season (this gives you time to edit  your holiday photos). Red Shirt (link). 
Something like that. The rest, IMHO, are  self-explanatory.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Maas
Scott Loveless wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ==
 I don't get 'Tis the Season being for February  and Red Shirt sounds very
 obscure. Don't get it at all.
 
 Rest look  good.
 
 Marnie aka Doe   :-)
 ==
 
 OK.  Those are valid concerns and I have answers that hopefully will 
 come across as logical.
 
 In the past, seasonal themes often seemed to be due right at the time we 
 needed to be shooting them.  So for tis the season, which will 
 probably involve some Holiday shooting, I pushed it back to February so 
 that everyone would have time to shoot and edit their photos.  Same for 
 Nature/Lanscape.  Lots of us like to shoot fall foliage in October. 
 Placing that theme in December gives us plenty to work on the photos.
 
 Red Shirt comes from the Red Shirt School of Photography.  Wikipedia 
 describes it better than I can: 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography.  I think 
 it sounds like a whole lot of fun.
 
 

And here I was thinking I'd need to find an Away Team member to kill off. Red 
Shirt has a very different meaning amongst SF and Fantasy fans ;-)

-Adam


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
Per Marnie's suggestions.  These descriptions are simply my inspiration 
for selecting these themes and ordering them as I did.  Please don't 
take them as suggestions for how/what you should shoot.

January - Photowalking - Paul is really good at this sort of thing.  See 
his series titled It Happens on Woodward. 
http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=703152

February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of 
time for Holiday photos.

March - Macro and Close-up

April - Portrait - Feel free to photograph scantily clad models with 
funky lighting.  :-)

May - Red Shirt - 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography

June - 11th Anniversary Gallery! - Should be self-explanatory.  Looks 
like we haven't had an anniversary PUG since '99.

July - Sports and Action

August - Architecture

September - Documentary and Reportage

October - Etc... - the super-PESO, per Walt.

November - Equinox Synchronicity - Equinox is in late September, 
possibly too late to get your photos in for October.  Thus, the PUG is 
in November.

December - Landscape and Nature - Lots of night time industrial photos, 
please!  Just kidding.  Shoot what you want.  It's your PUG, not mine.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread P. J. Alling
And I thought Tis the season... would be of our discontent.

Scott Loveless wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ==
 I don't get 'Tis the Season being for February  and Red Shirt sounds very
 obscure. Don't get it at all.

 Rest look  good.

 Marnie aka Doe   :-)
 ==

 OK.  Those are valid concerns and I have answers that hopefully will 
 come across as logical.

 In the past, seasonal themes often seemed to be due right at the time we 
 needed to be shooting them.  So for tis the season, which will 
 probably involve some Holiday shooting, I pushed it back to February so 
 that everyone would have time to shoot and edit their photos.  Same for 
 Nature/Lanscape.  Lots of us like to shoot fall foliage in October. 
 Placing that theme in December gives us plenty to work on the photos.

 Red Shirt comes from the Red Shirt School of Photography.  Wikipedia 
 describes it better than I can: 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography.  I think 
 it sounds like a whole lot of fun.


   


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Scott Loveless
Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised




 February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
 time for Holiday photos.


U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't 
Christians, after all.

William Robb 


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
Adam Maas wrote:
 And here I was thinking I'd need to find an Away Team member to kill off. Red 
 Shirt has a very different meaning amongst SF and Fantasy fans ;-)
 
 -Adam
 
 
Liberal interpretations, Adam.  Liberal interpretations.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Rebekah
U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't
Christians, after all.

I don't celebrate Christmas either, I'm a Christian, but it certainly
doesn't mean that I can't find anything worth photographing during the
holiday season.  There are several holidays celebrated at that time
and all of them make great pictures :) There's a mosque nearby my home
that has an interesting party every year, would you like to come and
photograph it with me? ;)


rg2

On 10/10/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Scott Loveless
  
   February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
   time for Holiday photos.
  
 
  U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't
  Christians, after all.

 When did you go and get all PC on us.

 Cheers,

 Dave

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised
 
 
 
 February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
 time for Holiday photos.

 
 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't 
 Christians, after all.
 
 William Robb 
 
 
I'm not Christian, either, and Tis the Season shouldn't necessarily 
invoke a Christian theme.  Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, Yule, Ramadan 
all occur near the end of the calendar year, during the holiday 
season.  Plus, for those of us in the northern hemisphere, there are 
snow covered landscapes, one horse open sleighs, decorated trees and 
wreaths (pagan icons, originally), etc.  Those of us up north would also 
most likely be more than appreciative of December beach photos from the 
folks down under at that time of year.

 Deck the halls with boughs of holly,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 'Tis the season to be jolly,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Don we now our gay apparel,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 Troll the ancient Yule tide carol,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

 See the blazing Yule before us,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Strike the harp and join the chorus.
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Follow me in merry measure,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 While I tell of Yule tide treasure,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

 Fast away the old year passes,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Hail the new, ye lads and lasses,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Sing we joyous, all together,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 Heedless of the wind and weather,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread David Savage
On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 From: Scott Loveless
 
  February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
  time for Holiday photos.
 

 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't
 Christians, after all.

When did you go and get all PC on us.

Cheers,

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread pnstenquist
I must have missed the part that said anything about a Christian theme. The 
season is winter, New Years Eve, sleigh rides, ice skating, snow ball fights 
and grumpy old men drinking whiskey in front of the fireplace.
Paul
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 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised
 
 
 
 
  February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
  time for Holiday photos.
 
 
 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't 
 Christians, after all.
 
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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised
 
 
 
 February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
 time for Holiday photos.

 
 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't 
 Christians, after all.
 
 William Robb 
 
 

Well, that gets you Yule, Hannukah and Kwanzaa too. 

-Adam


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread David Savage
On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I must have missed the part that said anything about a Christian theme. The 
 season is winter, New Years Eve, sleigh rides, ice skating, snow ball fights 
 and grumpy old men drinking whiskey in front of the fireplace.

E...

Cheers,

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Rick Womer
Hmmm... Your pitch is a touch flat.  Try again.

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  Deck the halls with boughs of holly,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  'Tis the season to be jolly,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Don we now our gay apparel,
  Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
  Troll the ancient Yule tide carol,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 
  See the blazing Yule before us,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Strike the harp and join the chorus.
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Follow me in merry measure,
  Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
  While I tell of Yule tide treasure,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 
  Fast away the old year passes,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Hail the new, ye lads and lasses,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Sing we joyous, all together,
  Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
  Heedless of the wind and weather,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 
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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/10/2007 8:24:04 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
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And I thought Tis  the season... would be of our discontent.

===
Could be.  Although I think that's winter. Certainly could be something else, 
though. Like  in February, here, sometimes pollen starts up. Could be allergy 
season.  ;-)

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Rebekah
Perhaps it shouldn't, but you are trying to make your point by quoting a
Christmas carol.

Like most things Christian, I'm willing to bet this song is borrowed
and twisted beyond recognition.

rg2

On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Perhaps it shouldn't, but you are trying to make your point by quoting a
 Christmas carol.

 William Robb


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 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised



 
  I'm not Christian, either, and Tis the Season shouldn't necessarily
  invoke a Christian theme.  Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, Yule, Ramadan
  all occur near the end of the calendar year, during the holiday
  season.  Plus, for those of us in the northern hemisphere, there are
  snow covered landscapes, one horse open sleighs, decorated trees and
  wreaths (pagan icons, originally), etc.  Those of us up north would also
  most likely be more than appreciative of December beach photos from the
  folks down under at that time of year.
 
  Deck the halls with boughs of holly,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  'Tis the season to be jolly,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Don we now our gay apparel,
  Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
  Troll the ancient Yule tide carol,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 
  See the blazing Yule before us,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Strike the harp and join the chorus.
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Follow me in merry measure,
  Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
  While I tell of Yule tide treasure,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 
  Fast away the old year passes,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Hail the new, ye lads and lasses,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Sing we joyous, all together,
  Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
  Heedless of the wind and weather,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 
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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread William Robb
Perhaps it shouldn't, but you are trying to make your point by quoting a 
Christmas carol.

William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Scott Loveless
Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised




 I'm not Christian, either, and Tis the Season shouldn't necessarily
 invoke a Christian theme.  Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, Yule, Ramadan
 all occur near the end of the calendar year, during the holiday
 season.  Plus, for those of us in the northern hemisphere, there are
 snow covered landscapes, one horse open sleighs, decorated trees and
 wreaths (pagan icons, originally), etc.  Those of us up north would also
 most likely be more than appreciative of December beach photos from the
 folks down under at that time of year.

 Deck the halls with boughs of holly,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 'Tis the season to be jolly,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Don we now our gay apparel,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 Troll the ancient Yule tide carol,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

 See the blazing Yule before us,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Strike the harp and join the chorus.
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Follow me in merry measure,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 While I tell of Yule tide treasure,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

 Fast away the old year passes,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Hail the new, ye lads and lasses,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Sing we joyous, all together,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 Heedless of the wind and weather,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Steve Sharpe
At 3:40 PM + 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I must have missed the part that said anything about a Christian 
theme. The season is winter, New Years Eve, sleigh rides, ice 
skating, snow ball fights and grumpy old men drinking whiskey in 
front of the fireplace.

February? Doesn't that mean President's Day?

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 Perhaps it shouldn't, but you are trying to make your point by quoting a 
 Christmas carol.
 
So is Jingle Bells.  Neither mention anything about Baby Jesus or 
Christmas.  No religious theme was inferred or intended with the PUG. 
However, if anyone else thinks it's offensive, too, I'll change the name 
to something generic like Festivity.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread John Francis

Err, no.  He's quoting a Yule Tide carol.


On Wed, Oct 10, 2007 at 09:33:43AM -0600, William Robb wrote:
 Perhaps it shouldn't, but you are trying to make your point by quoting a 
 Christmas carol.
 
 William Robb
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised
 
 
 
 
  I'm not Christian, either, and Tis the Season shouldn't necessarily
  invoke a Christian theme.  Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, Yule, Ramadan
  all occur near the end of the calendar year, during the holiday
  season.  Plus, for those of us in the northern hemisphere, there are
  snow covered landscapes, one horse open sleighs, decorated trees and
  wreaths (pagan icons, originally), etc.  Those of us up north would also
  most likely be more than appreciative of December beach photos from the
  folks down under at that time of year.
 
  Deck the halls with boughs of holly,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  'Tis the season to be jolly,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Don we now our gay apparel,
  Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
  Troll the ancient Yule tide carol,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 
  See the blazing Yule before us,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Strike the harp and join the chorus.
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Follow me in merry measure,
  Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
  While I tell of Yule tide treasure,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 
  Fast away the old year passes,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Hail the new, ye lads and lasses,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
  Sing we joyous, all together,
  Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
  Heedless of the wind and weather,
  Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 
  -- 
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  http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/
 
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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread David J Brooks
On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised



 
  February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
  time for Holiday photos.
 

 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't
 Christians, after all.

I'm sure there is some Druid thing around that time.:-)

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Roberts
John Francis wrote:

Err, no.  He's quoting a Yule Tide carol.

Yeah, I seem to recall that Deck the Halls was a pagan thing.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that!)



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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Maas
Ironically one which is far more pagan than Christian. Yule is the Winter 
Solstice celebration, of Celtic and Germanic culture not a Christian 
celebration.

-Adam


William Robb wrote:
 Perhaps it shouldn't, but you are trying to make your point by quoting a 
 Christmas carol.
 
 William Robb
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised
 
 
 
 I'm not Christian, either, and Tis the Season shouldn't necessarily
 invoke a Christian theme.  Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, Yule, Ramadan
 all occur near the end of the calendar year, during the holiday
 season.  Plus, for those of us in the northern hemisphere, there are
 snow covered landscapes, one horse open sleighs, decorated trees and
 wreaths (pagan icons, originally), etc.  Those of us up north would also
 most likely be more than appreciative of December beach photos from the
 folks down under at that time of year.

 Deck the halls with boughs of holly,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 'Tis the season to be jolly,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Don we now our gay apparel,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 Troll the ancient Yule tide carol,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

 See the blazing Yule before us,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Strike the harp and join the chorus.
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Follow me in merry measure,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 While I tell of Yule tide treasure,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

 Fast away the old year passes,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Hail the new, ye lads and lasses,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Sing we joyous, all together,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 Heedless of the wind and weather,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Maas
Scott Loveless wrote:
 Adam Maas wrote:
 And here I was thinking I'd need to find an Away Team member to kill off. 
 Red Shirt has a very different meaning amongst SF and Fantasy fans ;-)

 -Adam


 Liberal interpretations, Adam.  Liberal interpretations.
 

Well, they wear red shirts too ;-)

-Adam
The official colour of the Liberal Party in Canada is Red, so a lot of Liberals 
tend to wear Red Shirts when doing Campaign Work.


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Maas
It's a cultural reference, specifically English. 

-Adam


Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
 That would be great...I thought I had a good enough English level until I 
 read the 'tis thing...maybe is more cultural than language issue, but first I 
 didn't relate it to Christmas.
 
 BTW, I like the new site look, but I would prefer to have all the thumbnails 
 in just one page...is this possible with the current template?
 
 Thanks for your work and regards,
 
 Jaume
 
 - Mensaje original 
 De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Para: pdml@pdml.net
 Enviado: miércoles, 10 de octubre, 2007 16:48:00
 Asunto: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised
 
 In a message dated 10/10/2007 7:41:10 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 OK.  Those are valid  concerns and I have answers that hopefully will 
 come across as  logical.
 
 In the past, seasonal themes often seemed to be due right at the  time we 
 needed to be shooting them.  So for tis the season, which  will 
 probably involve some Holiday shooting, I pushed it back to February so  
 that everyone would have time to shoot and edit their photos.  Same for  
 Nature/Lanscape.  Lots of us like to shoot fall foliage in October.  
 Placing that theme in December gives us plenty to work on the  photos.
 
 Red Shirt comes from the Red Shirt School of Photography.   Wikipedia 
 describes it better than I can:  
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography.  I think  
 it sounds like a whole lot of fun.
 
 



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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
That would be great...I thought I had a good enough English level until I read 
the 'tis thing...maybe is more cultural than language issue, but first I didn't 
relate it to Christmas.

BTW, I like the new site look, but I would prefer to have all the thumbnails in 
just one page...is this possible with the current template?

Thanks for your work and regards,

Jaume

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De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Para: pdml@pdml.net
Enviado: miércoles, 10 de octubre, 2007 16:48:00
Asunto: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

In a message dated 10/10/2007 7:41:10 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK.  Those are valid  concerns and I have answers that hopefully will 
come across as  logical.

In the past, seasonal themes often seemed to be due right at the  time we 
needed to be shooting them.  So for tis the season, which  will 
probably involve some Holiday shooting, I pushed it back to February so  
that everyone would have time to shoot and edit their photos.  Same for  
Nature/Lanscape.  Lots of us like to shoot fall foliage in October.  
Placing that theme in December gives us plenty to work on the  photos.

Red Shirt comes from the Red Shirt School of Photography.   Wikipedia 
describes it better than I can:  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography.  I think  
it sounds like a whole lot of fun.


-- 
Scott  Loveless

==
Okay, re 'Tis the Season. Can you include a  link for Red Shirt in the list 
of themes? 

Otherwise you may have to  remind people what it is at the time. :-) 

You also might put the  explanation for T's the Season in too. 

Just a suggestion. Rather than  just a list of themes, short. Like 'Tis the 
Season (this gives you time to edit  your holiday photos). Red Shirt (link). 
Something like that. The rest, IMHO, are  self-explanatory.

Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread graywolf
Har! I had never heard it called that, but it is true to an extent. Red was the 
preferred color in landscapes because of the preponderance of green. Yellow was 
preferred in seascapes because of the blue. Green and Blue being considered 
neutral colors it was felt that a bit of Red or Yellow warmed the picture up 
and 
provided a bit of visual excitement. I think it had more to do with bored 
photographers than bored viewers.


Scott Loveless wrote:

 May - Red Shirt - 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread P. J. Alling
He does that when he wants to be annoying.

David Savage wrote:
 On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
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 From: Scott Loveless
 
 February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
 time for Holiday photos.

   
 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't
 Christians, after all.
 

 When did you go and get all PC on us.

 Cheers,

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Washington's birthday, but I'm a traditionalist. (To many of our 
Presidents aren't worth celebrating).

Steve Sharpe wrote:
 At 3:40 PM + 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I must have missed the part that said anything about a Christian 
 theme. The season is winter, New Years Eve, sleigh rides, ice 
 skating, snow ball fights and grumpy old men drinking whiskey in 
 front of the fireplace.
 

 February? Doesn't that mean President's Day?

   


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes, I know what I mean, when I lived in Atlanta the oak pollen was 
flying by the end of February, However in much of the US and Canada 
February is Cabin Fever season.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 10/10/2007 8:24:04 A.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
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 And I thought Tis  the season... would be of our discontent.

 ===
 Could be.  Although I think that's winter. Certainly could be something else, 
 though. Like  in February, here, sometimes pollen starts up. Could be allergy 
 season.  ;-)

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Maas
No, Pagan simply means non-Judeo-christian religions, more specifically the 
ones of European Origin (It's from the latin Paganus, which means country 
dweller or rustic). The usage is really an adaptation of the Jewish term 
Gentile. A Christian may be many things to a non-Christian, but they won't be 
Pagan.

-Adam


graywolf wrote:
 I would like to point out that Christians are pagans to non-Christians.
 
 Me?
 
 I believe in No-One because one time the doorbell rang and I yelled, Who's 
 there?.
 
 A young sounding voice answered, No-One.
 
 And sure enough when I opened the door no one one was there.
 
 
 
 Mark Roberts wrote:
 John Francis wrote:

 Err, no.  He's quoting a Yule Tide carol.
 Yeah, I seem to recall that Deck the Halls was a pagan thing.
 (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)



 



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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread P. J. Alling
Bealtaine, (Celtic), though it's been stolen by the modern wiccans as 
Beltane.

David J Brooks wrote:
 On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised



 
 February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
 time for Holiday photos.

   
 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't
 Christians, after all.
 

 I'm sure there is some Druid thing around that time.:-)

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread graywolf
I would like to point out that Christians are pagans to non-Christians.

Me?

I believe in No-One because one time the doorbell rang and I yelled, Who's 
there?.

A young sounding voice answered, No-One.

And sure enough when I opened the door no one one was there.



Mark Roberts wrote:
 John Francis wrote:
 
 Err, no.  He's quoting a Yule Tide carol.
 
 Yeah, I seem to recall that Deck the Halls was a pagan thing.
 (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)
 
 
 

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread P. J. Alling
In all seriousness Deck the Halls isn't a Christmas Carrol on a number 
of points. And it's imagery is really quite pagan.

Rebekah wrote:
 Perhaps it shouldn't, but you are trying to make your point by quoting a
 Christmas carol.
 

 Like most things Christian, I'm willing to bet this song is borrowed
 and twisted beyond recognition.

 rg2

 On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Perhaps it shouldn't, but you are trying to make your point by quoting a
 Christmas carol.

 William Robb


 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised



 
 I'm not Christian, either, and Tis the Season shouldn't necessarily
 invoke a Christian theme.  Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Festivus, Yule, Ramadan
 all occur near the end of the calendar year, during the holiday
 season.  Plus, for those of us in the northern hemisphere, there are
 snow covered landscapes, one horse open sleighs, decorated trees and
 wreaths (pagan icons, originally), etc.  Those of us up north would also
 most likely be more than appreciative of December beach photos from the
 folks down under at that time of year.

 Deck the halls with boughs of holly,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 'Tis the season to be jolly,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Don we now our gay apparel,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 Troll the ancient Yule tide carol,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

 See the blazing Yule before us,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Strike the harp and join the chorus.
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Follow me in merry measure,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 While I tell of Yule tide treasure,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

 Fast away the old year passes,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Hail the new, ye lads and lasses,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.
 Sing we joyous, all together,
 Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
 Heedless of the wind and weather,
 Fa la la la la, la la la la.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
Jaume Lahuerta wrote:
 BTW, I like the new site look, but I would prefer to have all the
thumbnails in just one page...is this possible with the current template?
 
 Thanks for your work and regards,
 
Thanks, Jaume.  I haven't figured out how to do that just yet.  I'd like 
to have them all on one page, too.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Maas
Not Beltane, which is around May 1, but Yule, the Winter Solstice celebration.

-Adam


P. J. Alling wrote:
 Bealtaine, (Celtic), though it's been stolen by the modern wiccans as 
 Beltane.
 
 David J Brooks wrote:
 On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised



 
 February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
 time for Holiday photos.

   
 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't
 Christians, after all.
 
 I'm sure there is some Druid thing around that time.:-)

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
Oookay.  Anyone else have opinions on the PUG themes?  I'm interested, 
and they probably need to be finalized before December.  Anyone have a 
problem with leaning the PUG toward genres this year, as opposed to more 
abstract concepts?  I'm open to suggestion.

Here they are again:

January - Photowalking - Paul is really good at this sort of thing.  See
his series titled It Happens on Woodward.
http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=703152

February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
time for Holiday photos.

March - Macro and Close-up

April - Portrait - Feel free to photograph scantily clad models with
funky lighting.   :-)

May - Red Shirt -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography

June - 11th Anniversary Gallery! - Should be self-explanatory.  Looks
like we haven't had an anniversary PUG since '99.

July - Sports and Action

August - Architecture

September - Documentary and Reportage

October - Etc... - the super-PESO, per Walt.

November - Equinox/Synchronicity - Equinox is in late September,
possibly too late to get your photos in for October.  Thus, the PUG is
in November.

December - Landscape and Nature - Lots of night time industrial photos,
please!  Just kidding.  Shoot what you want.  It's your PUG, not mine.


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:04:35 -0600
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't 
 Christians, after all.

I'm not Christian but do not object to the holiday theme; the annual
season for the enrichment of retailers is nonsectarian.

bran

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Kenneth Waller
Will there still be an un-themed category?

 June - 11th Anniversary Gallery! - Should be self-explanatory.  Looks
 like we haven't had an anniversary PUG since '99.

It should be but could you elaborate.

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


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 Oookay.  Anyone else have opinions on the PUG themes?  I'm interested,
 and they probably need to be finalized before December.  Anyone have a
 problem with leaning the PUG toward genres this year, as opposed to more
 abstract concepts?  I'm open to suggestion.

 Here they are again:

 January - Photowalking - Paul is really good at this sort of thing.  See
 his series titled It Happens on Woodward.
 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=703152

 February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
 time for Holiday photos.

 March - Macro and Close-up

 April - Portrait - Feel free to photograph scantily clad models with
 funky lighting.   :-)

 May - Red Shirt -
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Shirt_School_of_Photography

 June - 11th Anniversary Gallery! - Should be self-explanatory.  Looks
 like we haven't had an anniversary PUG since '99.

 July - Sports and Action

 August - Architecture

 September - Documentary and Reportage

 October - Etc... - the super-PESO, per Walt.

 November - Equinox/Synchronicity - Equinox is in late September,
 possibly too late to get your photos in for October.  Thus, the PUG is
 in November.

 December - Landscape and Nature - Lots of night time industrial photos,
 please!  Just kidding.  Shoot what you want.  It's your PUG, not mine.


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RE: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Henk Terhell
If I may interrupt this season thing, I don't know this word
photowalking. What do you mean with it? Street photography, just casual
shots of people in action? I always take my camera along when I go for
walking.

Henk

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 January - Photowalking - Paul is really good at this sort of 
 thing.  See 
 his series titled It Happens on Woodward. 
 http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=703152
 
 


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread P. J. Alling
You're right, I have a hard time keeping my Pagan holidays straight, 
there are so many of them

Adam Maas wrote:
 Not Beltane, which is around May 1, but Yule, the Winter Solstice celebration.

 -Adam


 P. J. Alling wrote:
   
 Bealtaine, (Celtic), though it's been stolen by the modern wiccans as 
 Beltane.

 David J Brooks wrote:
 
 On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
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 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised



 
 
 February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
 time for Holiday photos.

   
   
 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't
 Christians, after all.
 
 
 I'm sure there is some Druid thing around that time.:-)

 Dave
   
   
 William Robb


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Adam Maas
I'm Catholic, if we don't have 2-3 a week, we aren't trying ;-)

-Adam


P. J. Alling wrote:
 You're right, I have a hard time keeping my Pagan holidays straight, 
 there are so many of them
 
 Adam Maas wrote:
 Not Beltane, which is around May 1, but Yule, the Winter Solstice 
 celebration.

 -Adam


 P. J. Alling wrote:
   
 Bealtaine, (Celtic), though it's been stolen by the modern wiccans as 
 Beltane.

 David J Brooks wrote:
 
 On 10/10/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
 - Original Message -
 From: Scott Loveless
 Subject: Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised



 
 
 February - 'Tis the Season - I put this in February to allow plenty of
 time for Holiday photos.

   
   
 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't
 Christians, after all.
 
 
 I'm sure there is some Druid thing around that time.:-)

 Dave
   
   
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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
Henk Terhell wrote:
 If I may interrupt this season thing, I don't know this word
 photowalking. What do you mean with it? Street photography, just casual
 shots of people in action? I always take my camera along when I go for
 walking.
 
Precisely, but I'm not sure I'd call it street photography.  It 
certainly could be, though.  Photowalking, while not a household word, 
is something that's come about since digital cameras became the norm. 
Like you, lots of people carry a camera with them everywhere and 
photograph freely without regard to the cost of film, processing, etc. 
The Photowalking theme is intended for that type of photography.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/10/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:

March - Macro and Close-up

July - Sports and Action

August - Architecture

September - Documentary and Reportage

I'm British, I don't get it.


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't 
Christians, after all.

One of us is ;-)

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Scott Loveless
Cotty wrote:
 On 10/10/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 March - Macro and Close-up

 July - Sports and Action

 August - Architecture

 September - Documentary and Reportage
 
 I'm British, I don't get it.
 
 
It's OK, Cotty.  No one expects you to.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Christian
Cotty wrote:
 On 10/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't 
 Christians, after all.
 
 One of us is ;-)
 

In name only.  :P

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RE: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Malcolm Smith
Scott Loveless wrote:

 Oookay.  Anyone else have opinions on the PUG themes?

FWIW I've always wanted to see a 'humour style' month; not obvious pictures,
including those that may appear initially to be one thing, but you sit back
and absorb for a few moments before you really get it. With the quality of
photographs here and the way life is often looked at within PDML, I would
have thought there was a lot of scope for this category.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote:

On 10/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't 
Christians, after all.

One of us is ;-)

Yeah but he just uses darkside cameras to take photos of cormorants...


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Christian
Mark Roberts wrote:
 Cotty wrote:
 
 On 10/10/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:

 U, this sounds a little bit centrist to me. Some of us aren't 
 Christians, after all.
 One of us is ;-)
 
 Yeah but he just uses darkside cameras to take photos of cormorants...

I'm a copagant...  we worship cormorants in the dark.


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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/10/2007 12:12:42 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
FWIW I've always  wanted to see a 'humour style' month; not obvious pictures,
including those  that may appear initially to be one thing, but you sit back
and absorb for a  few moments before you really get it. With the quality of
photographs here  and the way life is often looked at within PDML, I would
have thought there  was a lot of scope for this category.

Malcolm

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I  like that.

Of course, it might all too easily lead to...  puns.

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Re: 2008 PUG themes - revised

2007-10-10 Thread Cotty
On 10/10/07, Christian, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'm a copagant...  we worship cormorants in the dark.

There's a bestiality site for that I believe.

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