Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands.
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016, at 12:54 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > Stan - You made the point much better than I did earlier - u write good > :-) +1 :-)> Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > > ann > > > On 10/27/2016 9:10 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: > >> On Oct 25, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Ken Waller wrote: > >> > >> Your involvement with stock photography changed your goal relative to most > >> of us on this list and retaining your captures maked sense. You were > >> shooting for reasons other than casual photography. > >> > >> I know that the vast majority of my photography up to about the last 20 > >> years was to simply record things with a few real 'keepers' amongst the > >> rest. > >> > >> About 20 years ago I started to attempt to refine my photography and > >> produce 'wall hangers' so to speak and stop recording the more mundane > >> subjects out there. > >> > >> It was the collection of these 'keepers' that made me stop and weed out > >> most of the previous 20 plus years of my photography. > >> > >> With a much improved eye and careful editing I now have a few thousand > >> images I truly regard as 'keepers’. > > I somewhat agree with you Ken. If one’s goal is to produce a select set of > > “wall hangers” that are worthy of one’s careful craftsmanship, then one > > shouldn’t waste time shooting what is obviously going to be a poor shot due > > to lighting issues, too much wind causing subject movement, intrusive > > elements in the composition, etc. > > > > But there are many other reasons for taking pictures. Dan and Brian talk > > about capturing memories of places (e.g., a poorly lit Grand Canyon.) For > > many people, it is about capturing memories of people and occasions (and > > places). > > > > I am in occasional contact with a few from my high school class. There was > > a recent reunion (which I could not attend.) My friend Ingrid afterwards > > walked to a landmark waterfall, her husband took a P&S or cellphone image > > of her on the path behind the falls. She posted it on Facebook, commented > > how happy she was to have been able to visit the place. I have struggled > > with that waterfall. Lighting is poor in the gorge, too many people on the > > path, most of whom want that shot under the falls. It is possible but > > highly unpopular to set up a tripod on the narrow pathway. It is possible > > to do a decent portrait but it takes care and luck. Someone commented on > > Ingrid’s photo, gushing about what a wonderful shot it was. It wasn’t > > wonderful. It was approaching pretty awful. Poor focus, camera movement, > > subject too small to be recognizable unless you knew who you were looking > > at. But for Ingrid and others, it was wonderful because it captured her in > > a moment in time, at a special place she is too seldom able to visit. > > > > stan > > > >> > >> -Original Message- > >>> From: ann sanfedele > >>> Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > >>> > >>> the black and whitenegatives are in numbered and dated looseleaf binders > >>> and sometimes help me find key slides, as I shot both together. > >>> > >>> From about 1980 on I was in a stock agency I still am but don't give > >>> them anything anymore.. so I kept careful notes and such.. but without > >>> thetrip markers I could give them the wrong info. Also, I over shot in > >>> film. I've only tossed the most greviously duplicate OTF or > >>> unidentifiable shots.. Mine go back to 1965.. > >>> > >>> The ones from the early days only take up a couple of drawers .. are > >>> mostly nostalgia and frequently not that good... I'm guessing I have > >>> well over 100,000 slides. 25,000 bw negs and drawers from prints, not > >>> sure how many. I have room for them, so they stay. I'd never have been > >>> able to do my new calendar without keeping the fillers. There are > >>> precious memories among thosethat I wouldn't show to the list - more > >>> important than the qualityof the images... gott'm in steel filing > >>> cabinets. > >>> > >>> But then I'm a keeper of things in general, a collector by nature as > >>> those to Chez Ashley can testify. I hav
Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands.
Stan - You made the point much better than I did earlier - u write good :-) ann On 10/27/2016 9:10 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote: On Oct 25, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Your involvement with stock photography changed your goal relative to most of us on this list and retaining your captures maked sense. You were shooting for reasons other than casual photography. I know that the vast majority of my photography up to about the last 20 years was to simply record things with a few real 'keepers' amongst the rest. About 20 years ago I started to attempt to refine my photography and produce 'wall hangers' so to speak and stop recording the more mundane subjects out there. It was the collection of these 'keepers' that made me stop and weed out most of the previous 20 plus years of my photography. With a much improved eye and careful editing I now have a few thousand images I truly regard as 'keepers’. I somewhat agree with you Ken. If one’s goal is to produce a select set of “wall hangers” that are worthy of one’s careful craftsmanship, then one shouldn’t waste time shooting what is obviously going to be a poor shot due to lighting issues, too much wind causing subject movement, intrusive elements in the composition, etc. But there are many other reasons for taking pictures. Dan and Brian talk about capturing memories of places (e.g., a poorly lit Grand Canyon.) For many people, it is about capturing memories of people and occasions (and places). I am in occasional contact with a few from my high school class. There was a recent reunion (which I could not attend.) My friend Ingrid afterwards walked to a landmark waterfall, her husband took a P&S or cellphone image of her on the path behind the falls. She posted it on Facebook, commented how happy she was to have been able to visit the place. I have struggled with that waterfall. Lighting is poor in the gorge, too many people on the path, most of whom want that shot under the falls. It is possible but highly unpopular to set up a tripod on the narrow pathway. It is possible to do a decent portrait but it takes care and luck. Someone commented on Ingrid’s photo, gushing about what a wonderful shot it was. It wasn’t wonderful. It was approaching pretty awful. Poor focus, camera movement, subject too small to be recognizable unless you knew who you were looking at. But for Ingrid and others, it was wonderful because it captured her in a moment in time, at a special place she is too seldom able to visit. stan -Original Message- From: ann sanfedele Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. the black and whitenegatives are in numbered and dated looseleaf binders and sometimes help me find key slides, as I shot both together. From about 1980 on I was in a stock agency I still am but don't give them anything anymore.. so I kept careful notes and such.. but without thetrip markers I could give them the wrong info. Also, I over shot in film. I've only tossed the most greviously duplicate OTF or unidentifiable shots.. Mine go back to 1965.. The ones from the early days only take up a couple of drawers .. are mostly nostalgia and frequently not that good... I'm guessing I have well over 100,000 slides. 25,000 bw negs and drawers from prints, not sure how many. I have room for them, so they stay. I'd never have been able to do my new calendar without keeping the fillers. There are precious memories among thosethat I wouldn't show to the list - more important than the qualityof the images... gott'm in steel filing cabinets. But then I'm a keeper of things in general, a collector by nature as those to Chez Ashley can testify. I have a couple of years on you in length of time shooting.. since there are many more years behind me than in front of me, I see no reason to toss thingsthat are small and tidy... I've mainly regrettedparting with some things more than keeping them. Good morning gang.. ann On 10/25/2016 12:19 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went through approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ years of photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound up wondering why I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for many years. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller ----- Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome spot.. but I do
Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands.
> On Oct 25, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Ken Waller wrote: > > Your involvement with stock photography changed your goal relative to most of > us on this list and retaining your captures maked sense. You were shooting > for reasons other than casual photography. > > I know that the vast majority of my photography up to about the last 20 years > was to simply record things with a few real 'keepers' amongst the rest. > > About 20 years ago I started to attempt to refine my photography and produce > 'wall hangers' so to speak and stop recording the more mundane subjects out > there. > > It was the collection of these 'keepers' that made me stop and weed out most > of the previous 20 plus years of my photography. > > With a much improved eye and careful editing I now have a few thousand images > I truly regard as 'keepers’. I somewhat agree with you Ken. If one’s goal is to produce a select set of “wall hangers” that are worthy of one’s careful craftsmanship, then one shouldn’t waste time shooting what is obviously going to be a poor shot due to lighting issues, too much wind causing subject movement, intrusive elements in the composition, etc. But there are many other reasons for taking pictures. Dan and Brian talk about capturing memories of places (e.g., a poorly lit Grand Canyon.) For many people, it is about capturing memories of people and occasions (and places). I am in occasional contact with a few from my high school class. There was a recent reunion (which I could not attend.) My friend Ingrid afterwards walked to a landmark waterfall, her husband took a P&S or cellphone image of her on the path behind the falls. She posted it on Facebook, commented how happy she was to have been able to visit the place. I have struggled with that waterfall. Lighting is poor in the gorge, too many people on the path, most of whom want that shot under the falls. It is possible but highly unpopular to set up a tripod on the narrow pathway. It is possible to do a decent portrait but it takes care and luck. Someone commented on Ingrid’s photo, gushing about what a wonderful shot it was. It wasn’t wonderful. It was approaching pretty awful. Poor focus, camera movement, subject too small to be recognizable unless you knew who you were looking at. But for Ingrid and others, it was wonderful because it captured her in a moment in time, at a special place she is too seldom able to visit. stan > > > -Original Message- >> From: ann sanfedele >> Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. >> >> the black and whitenegatives are in numbered and dated looseleaf binders >> and sometimes help me find key slides, as I shot both together. >> >> From about 1980 on I was in a stock agency I still am but don't give >> them anything anymore.. so I kept careful notes and such.. but without >> thetrip markers I could give them the wrong info. Also, I over shot in >> film. I've only tossed the most greviously duplicate OTF or >> unidentifiable shots.. Mine go back to 1965.. >> >> The ones from the early days only take up a couple of drawers .. are >> mostly nostalgia and frequently not that good... I'm guessing I have >> well over 100,000 slides. 25,000 bw negs and drawers from prints, not >> sure how many. I have room for them, so they stay. I'd never have been >> able to do my new calendar without keeping the fillers. There are >> precious memories among thosethat I wouldn't show to the list - more >> important than the qualityof the images... gott'm in steel filing cabinets. >> >> But then I'm a keeper of things in general, a collector by nature as >> those to Chez Ashley can testify. I have a couple of years on you in >> length of time shooting.. since there are many more years behind me than >> in front of me, I see no reason to toss thingsthat are small and tidy... >> I've mainly regrettedparting with some things more than keeping them. >> >> Good morning gang.. >> >> ann >> >> >> On 10/25/2016 12:19 AM, Ken Waller wrote: >>> Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went >>> through approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ >>> years of photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound >>> up wondering why I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for >>> many years. >>> >>> Kenneth Waller >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" >>> Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. >>>
Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands.
Daniel, To order up rain, i'd suggest an old school super soaker brand squirt gun. -Adam On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:39 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > > > this scene would be so so differentif there had just been a rain and > > the desert was abloom and the sun was low... > > > > Any tips on how to order up some rain and conjure up Maui to lasso the sun > and alter it path? > > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- http://www.mountainfort.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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too late, you already said you aren't going back... ann On 10/26/2016 12:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:39 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: this scene would be so so differentif there had just been a rain and the desert was abloom and the sun was low... Any tips on how to order up some rain and conjure up Maui to lasso the sun and alter it path? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 2:25 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > I think Dan himself would agree that it was unfortunate he was there at > the time of day he was... Yes, he would. In other exposures around the same time that day, there was not only harshness, but also some distortion of the colors as seen by the eye. OTOH, given that this type of weather and light persisted through most of my visit to New Mexico, it was probably better to have the worst of the overbearing light at the point I was taking this image, rather than at the pueblos or other more significant sites (although the light was troublesome there as well). We stopped at the Rio Grande Gorge Bridge for only 20 minutes, in the middle of a 9 hour excursion that included Chimayo, the town of Taos and the Taos Pueblo. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:39 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: > this scene would be so so differentif there had just been a rain and > the desert was abloom and the sun was low... > Any tips on how to order up some rain and conjure up Maui to lasso the sun and alter it path? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My feeling is you should always shoot from your gut... the memories are important.. always better to over shoot, grab and go when that is your only opportunity... edit when you get home... The thing I try to do is not share those things that are not up to being keepers in an artistic sense, unless there is some very specific story to be told and that capture is all that does it. I don't always followthe advice I once read "show only your best work" but I try to, and I think Ken does that always. OTOH, we are showing otherphotogs our work sometimes only to see what can be suggested to improve an image. with Dan's tree there is a lot about it that is good.. The placement of the tree in the frame, etc... but the ovehead light spoils it.. I think it would work well in BW... and still convey the starkness. I have a different feeling about that landscape, though.. I love the high desert, and this scene would be so so differentif there had just been a rain and the desert was abloom and the sun was low... ann On 10/25/2016 5:01 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2016, at 07:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV I appreciate your thoughts Ken, and you are of course correct. I took the image despite the fact that the light was less than ideal, for several reasons. 1. I act before I think. 2. In a way, the harshness of the light conveys the feeling of the parched desert I saw better than an image taken during the golden hour. It may be ugly and stark, but in a way so was the landscape, except for this magnificent brave tree clinging on to like. 3. I was recording the trip, and was not going to be able to return. Exactly. If I'd only taken photos in good light on my trip western USA in 2013, I'd have come home with very little to remember the trip. When you're travelling as much as we were, you have to accept the conditions you're given on arrival. We had awful light and high winds when we were at the Grand Canyon, for example, but the chances of me ever returning are slim (sadly!) so I fired away! Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2016, at 07:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > > > Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light > > wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know > > it already has major faults built it - YMMV > > > I appreciate your thoughts Ken, and you are of course correct. > > I took the image despite the fact that the light was less than ideal, for > several reasons. > > 1. I act before I think. > 2. In a way, the harshness of the light conveys the feeling of the > parched > desert I saw better than an image taken during the golden hour. It may > be > ugly and stark, but in a way so was the landscape, except for this > magnificent brave tree clinging on to like. > 3. I was recording the trip, and was not going to be able to return. Exactly. If I'd only taken photos in good light on my trip western USA in 2013, I'd have come home with very little to remember the trip. When you're travelling as much as we were, you have to accept the conditions you're given on arrival. We had awful light and high winds when we were at the Grand Canyon, for example, but the chances of me ever returning are slim (sadly!) so I fired away! Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light > wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know > it already has major faults built it - YMMV I appreciate your thoughts Ken, and you are of course correct. I took the image despite the fact that the light was less than ideal, for several reasons. 1. I act before I think. 2. In a way, the harshness of the light conveys the feeling of the parched desert I saw better than an image taken during the golden hour. It may be ugly and stark, but in a way so was the landscape, except for this magnificent brave tree clinging on to like. 3. I was recording the trip, and was not going to be able to return. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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stock photography was my excuse for shooting the merely scenic, cute animals and pretty flowers - as opposed to the statements I use to make or aspired to make in the old days. These days I only care about pretty scenes, cute animals and pretty flowers... :-) ann On 10/25/2016 10:31 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Your involvement with stock photography changed your goal relative to most of us on this list and retaining your captures maked sense. You were shooting for reasons other than casual photography. I know that the vast majority of my photography up to about the last 20 years was to simply record things with a few real 'keepers' amongst the rest. About 20 years ago I started to attempt to refine my photography and produce 'wall hangers' so to speak and stop recording the more mundane subjects out there. It was the collection of these 'keepers' that made me stop and weed out most of the previous 20 plus years of my photography. With a much improved eye and careful editing I now have a few thousand images I truly regard as 'keepers'. -Original Message- From: ann sanfedele Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. the black and whitenegatives are in numbered and dated looseleaf binders and sometimes help me find key slides, as I shot both together. From about 1980 on I was in a stock agency I still am but don't give them anything anymore.. so I kept careful notes and such.. but without thetrip markers I could give them the wrong info. Also, I over shot in film. I've only tossed the most greviously duplicate OTF or unidentifiable shots.. Mine go back to 1965.. The ones from the early days only take up a couple of drawers .. are mostly nostalgia and frequently not that good... I'm guessing I have well over 100,000 slides. 25,000 bw negs and drawers from prints, not sure how many. I have room for them, so they stay. I'd never have been able to do my new calendar without keeping the fillers. There are precious memories among thosethat I wouldn't show to the list - more important than the qualityof the images... gott'm in steel filing cabinets. But then I'm a keeper of things in general, a collector by nature as those to Chez Ashley can testify. I have a couple of years on you in length of time shooting.. since there are many more years behind me than in front of me, I see no reason to toss thingsthat are small and tidy... I've mainly regrettedparting with some things more than keeping them. Good morning gang.. ann On 10/25/2016 12:19 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went through approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ years of photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound up wondering why I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for many years. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller ----- Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was thinking of looking to see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were having a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them ann On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops b
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Ken and I agree... in fact, that countryside is anything but bleak... I think Dan himself would agree that it was unfortunate he was there at the time of day he was... ann On 10/25/2016 10:17 AM, Ken Waller wrote: That's true if you wanted to portray bleakness, but in this case it would be in opposition to the green - non bleak - tree. Bleakness would require a different subject IMO. -Original Message- From: Alan C Subject: Re: A tree grows in Badlands. Don't you think what you call "bad light" actually enhances the bleakness of the scene? Alan C -Original Message- From: Ken Waller Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:19 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went through approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ years of photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound up wondering why I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for many years. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was thinking of looking to see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were having a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them ann On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller ----- Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like this as it stands. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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ann sanfedele wrote: the black and whitenegatives are in numbered and dated looseleaf binders and sometimes help me find key slides, as I shot both together. From about 1980 on I was in a stock agency I still am but don't give them anything anymore.. so I kept careful notes and such.. but without thetrip markers I could give them the wrong info. Also, I over shot in film. I've only tossed the most greviously duplicate OTF or unidentifiable shots.. Mine go back to 1965.. The ones from the early days only take up a couple of drawers .. are mostly nostalgia and frequently not that good... I'm guessing I have well over 100,000 slides. 25,000 bw negs and drawers from prints, not sure how many. I have room for them, so they stay. I'd never have been able to do my new calendar without keeping the fillers. There are precious memories among thosethat I wouldn't show to the list - more important than the qualityof the images... gott'm in steel filing cabinets. But then I'm a keeper of things in general, a collector by nature as those to Chez Ashley can testify. I have a couple of years on you in length of time shooting.. since there are many more years behind me than in front of me, I see no reason to toss thingsthat are small and tidy... I've mainly regrettedparting with some things more than keeping them. Over the year, I've got all my slides into one place. This hasn't made things better clutter wise, it's made things much worse. I had no idea which slides were where, and it's going through things box by box to find (and scan). I now wish I'd left them where they were and just got them out a box at a time, but oh no, I did it this way. Well, I'm committed to seeing it through now and I'm hoping I'll find some real gems to make this misery worthwhile. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Your involvement with stock photography changed your goal relative to most of us on this list and retaining your captures maked sense. You were shooting for reasons other than casual photography. I know that the vast majority of my photography up to about the last 20 years was to simply record things with a few real 'keepers' amongst the rest. About 20 years ago I started to attempt to refine my photography and produce 'wall hangers' so to speak and stop recording the more mundane subjects out there. It was the collection of these 'keepers' that made me stop and weed out most of the previous 20 plus years of my photography. With a much improved eye and careful editing I now have a few thousand images I truly regard as 'keepers'. -Original Message- >From: ann sanfedele >Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > >the black and whitenegatives are in numbered and dated looseleaf binders >and sometimes help me find key slides, as I shot both together. > > From about 1980 on I was in a stock agency I still am but don't give >them anything anymore.. so I kept careful notes and such.. but without >thetrip markers I could give them the wrong info. Also, I over shot in >film. I've only tossed the most greviously duplicate OTF or >unidentifiable shots.. Mine go back to 1965.. > >The ones from the early days only take up a couple of drawers .. are >mostly nostalgia and frequently not that good... I'm guessing I have >well over 100,000 slides. 25,000 bw negs and drawers from prints, not >sure how many. I have room for them, so they stay. I'd never have been >able to do my new calendar without keeping the fillers. There are >precious memories among thosethat I wouldn't show to the list - more >important than the qualityof the images... gott'm in steel filing cabinets. > >But then I'm a keeper of things in general, a collector by nature as >those to Chez Ashley can testify. I have a couple of years on you in >length of time shooting.. since there are many more years behind me than >in front of me, I see no reason to toss thingsthat are small and tidy... >I've mainly regrettedparting with some things more than keeping them. > >Good morning gang.. > >ann > > >On 10/25/2016 12:19 AM, Ken Waller wrote: >> Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went >> through approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ >> years of photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound >> up wondering why I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for >> many years. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >> >> - Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" >> Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. >> >> >>> Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when >>> you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough >>> here. >>> >>> My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red >>> filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same >>> in photo shop and >>> >>> improve it quite a bit I think... >>> >>> I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very >>> handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was >>> thinking of looking to >>> >>> see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that >>> bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two >>> dogs were having >>> >>> a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them >>> >>> ann >>> >>> >>> On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >>>>> I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, >>>>> but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with >>>>> it. >>>> >>>> Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the >>>> light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image >>>> when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV >>>> >>>> Kenneth Waller >>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>>> >>>> - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A shot fro
Re: A tree grows in Badlands.
That's true if you wanted to portray bleakness, but in this case it would be in opposition to the green - non bleak - tree. Bleakness would require a different subject IMO. -Original Message- >From: Alan C >Subject: Re: A tree grows in Badlands. > >Don't you think what you call "bad light" actually enhances the bleakness of >the scene? > >Alan C > >-Original Message- >From: Ken Waller >Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:19 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > >Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went through >approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ years of >photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound up wondering why >I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for many years. > >Kenneth Waller >http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > >- Original Message - >From: "ann sanfedele" >Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > > >> Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you >> know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. >> >> My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red >> filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in >> photo shop and >> >> improve it quite a bit I think... >> >> I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very >> handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was >> thinking of looking to >> >> see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge >> in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were >> having >> >> a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them >> >> ann >> >> >> On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >>>> I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but >>>> sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with >>>> it. >>> >>> Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light >>> wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know >>> it already has major faults built it - YMMV >>> >>> Kenneth Waller >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" >>> >>> Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. >>> >>> >>>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>> >>>> A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: >>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg >>>> >>>> +++ >>>> >>>> I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't >>>> wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live >>>> with >>>> it. >>>> >>>> I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters >>>> after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite >>>> dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. >>>> I'm >>>> happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but >>>> otherwise >>>> it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply >>>> paint >>>> what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've >>>> taken >>>> many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like >>>> this as it stands. >>>> >>>> Malcolm > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands.
the black and whitenegatives are in numbered and dated looseleaf binders and sometimes help me find key slides, as I shot both together. From about 1980 on I was in a stock agency I still am but don't give them anything anymore.. so I kept careful notes and such.. but without thetrip markers I could give them the wrong info. Also, I over shot in film. I've only tossed the most greviously duplicate OTF or unidentifiable shots.. Mine go back to 1965.. The ones from the early days only take up a couple of drawers .. are mostly nostalgia and frequently not that good... I'm guessing I have well over 100,000 slides. 25,000 bw negs and drawers from prints, not sure how many. I have room for them, so they stay. I'd never have been able to do my new calendar without keeping the fillers. There are precious memories among thosethat I wouldn't show to the list - more important than the qualityof the images... gott'm in steel filing cabinets. But then I'm a keeper of things in general, a collector by nature as those to Chez Ashley can testify. I have a couple of years on you in length of time shooting.. since there are many more years behind me than in front of me, I see no reason to toss thingsthat are small and tidy... I've mainly regrettedparting with some things more than keeping them. Good morning gang.. ann On 10/25/2016 12:19 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went through approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ years of photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound up wondering why I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for many years. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message ----- From: "ann sanfedele" Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was thinking of looking to see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were having a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them ann On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller ----- Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like this as it stands. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A personal choice IOW. J Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:23 PM, Alan C wrote: > > Don't you think what you call "bad light" actually enhances the bleakness of > the scene? > > Alan C > > -Original Message- From: Ken Waller > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:19 AM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > > Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went through > approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ years of > photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound up wondering why > I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for many years. > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > ----- Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" > Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > > >> Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know >> you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. >> >> My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron >> the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and >> >> improve it quite a bit I think... >> >> I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome >> spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was thinking of >> looking to >> >> see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge >> in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were >> having >> >> a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them >> >> ann >> >> >> On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >>>> I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but >>>> sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with >>>> it. >>> >>> Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light >>> wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know >>> it already has major faults built it - YMMV >>> >>> Kenneth Waller >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" >>> Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. >>> >>> >>>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >>>> >>>> A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: >>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg >>>> >>>> +++ >>>> >>>> I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't >>>> wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with >>>> it. >>>> >>>> I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters >>>> after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite >>>> dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm >>>> happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise >>>> it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint >>>> what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken >>>> many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like >>>> this as it stands. >>>> >>>> Malcolm > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A tree grows in Badlands.
Don't you think what you call "bad light" actually enhances the bleakness of the scene? Alan C -Original Message- From: Ken Waller Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 6:19 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went through approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ years of photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound up wondering why I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for many years. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was thinking of looking to see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were having a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them ann On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller ----- Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like this as it stands. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ann - I might have agreed with you a few years ago before I went through approximately 35,000 edited slides I'd accmulated over 40+ years of photography. I discarded all but a thousand or so and wound up wondering why I had ever kept them as I had seldom reviewed any for many years. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was thinking of looking to see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were having a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them ann On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Smith" Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like this as it stands. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think I got it right -- but given its location I bet I could confirm it getting in touch with a local naturalist... I'll try with some phone calls at some point Meanwhile - I'm about to peso the photo I did take there in 1985 - perhaps one of those little specs in the distance is -the_ tree :-) ann On 10/24/2016 8:10 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2016, at 10:55 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: I'm feeling uneasy about my id as cottonwood... if that is the same tree... hmmm.. The cottonwoods in Dans other photsow ere already turning.. but they were not out in the blistering sun.. I'm pretty certain it's the same tree judging by the rocks near the base and the main branches of the tree. My photo was taken on May 8, 2013 so, presumably, the tree was just showing new foliage - much less than in Dan's photo. I was hoping your ID as a Fremont cottonwood was correct - that would be a bit more info to add to the metadata :-)> Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ But I found a shot that may have that tree in it from 1985 - and the dogs playing.. butwe werenot in the parking area where the tree was... stay tuned this is a fun game ann On 10/24/2016 6:39 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2016, at 08:48 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... I agree with you, Ann. In fact I photographed that exact same tree in 2013 during a quick stop at the Rio Grande Gorge (heading for Alamosa). The light wasn't wonderful when I was there either so I warmed it a tad in Photoshop. Here's my memory of that stop-over: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/_IGP2352-K5-1peso.jpg (I might not have photographed it if it wasn't for the colourful ice cream truck parked under it) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was thinking of looking to see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were having a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them ann On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like this as it stands. Malcolm -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016, at 10:55 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > I'm feeling uneasy about my id as cottonwood... if that is the same > tree... hmmm.. The cottonwoods in Dans other photsow ere already > turning.. but they were not out in the blistering sun.. I'm pretty certain it's the same tree judging by the rocks near the base and the main branches of the tree. My photo was taken on May 8, 2013 so, presumably, the tree was just showing new foliage - much less than in Dan's photo. I was hoping your ID as a Fremont cottonwood was correct - that would be a bit more info to add to the metadata :-)> Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > > But I found a shot that may have that tree in it from 1985 - and the > dogs playing.. butwe werenot in the parking area where the tree was... > stay tuned this is a fun game > > ann > > > On 10/24/2016 6:39 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016, at 08:48 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > >> Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you > >> know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. > >> > >> My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red > >> filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in > >> photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... > >> > > > > I agree with you, Ann. > > > > In fact I photographed that exact same tree in 2013 during a quick stop > > at the Rio Grande Gorge (heading for Alamosa). The light wasn't > > wonderful when I was there either so I warmed it a tad in Photoshop. > > > > Here's my memory of that stop-over: > > > > https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/_IGP2352-K5-1peso.jpg > > > > (I might not have photographed it if it wasn't for the colourful ice > > cream truck parked under it) > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Brian > > > > ++ > > Brian Walters > > Western Sydney Australia > > http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > > > > > >> I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very > >> handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was > >> thinking of looking to > >> > >> see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that > >> bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two > >> dogs were having > >> > >> a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them > >> > >> ann > >> > >> > >> On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > >>>> I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, > >>>> but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with > >>>> it. > >>> Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the > >>> light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image > >>> when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV > >>> > >>> Kenneth Waller > >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > >>> > >>> - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" > >>> > >>> Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > >>> > >>> > >>>> Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >>>> > >>>> A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: > >>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg > >>>> > >>>> +++ > >>>> > >>>> I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't > >>>> wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live > >>>> with > >>>> it. > >>>> > >>>> I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters > >>>> after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite > >>>> dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with > >>>> software. I'm > >>>> happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but > >>>> otherwise > >>>> it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply > >>>> paint > >>>> what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've > >>>> taken > >>>> many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like > >>>> this as it stands. > >>>> > >>>> Malcolm > >>> > >> > >> -- > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm feeling uneasy about my id as cottonwood... if that is the same tree... hmmm.. The cottonwoods in Dans other photsow ere already turning.. but they were not out in the blistering sun.. But I found a shot that may have that tree in it from 1985 - and the dogs playing.. butwe werenot in the parking area where the tree was... stay tuned this is a fun game ann On 10/24/2016 6:39 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2016, at 08:48 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... I agree with you, Ann. In fact I photographed that exact same tree in 2013 during a quick stop at the Rio Grande Gorge (heading for Alamosa). The light wasn't wonderful when I was there either so I warmed it a tad in Photoshop. Here's my memory of that stop-over: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/_IGP2352-K5-1peso.jpg (I might not have photographed it if it wasn't for the colourful ice cream truck parked under it) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was thinking of looking to see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were having a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them ann On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Smith" Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like this as it stands. Malcolm -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Oct 25, 2016, at 08:48 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: > Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you > know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. > > My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red > filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in > photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... > I agree with you, Ann. In fact I photographed that exact same tree in 2013 during a quick stop at the Rio Grande Gorge (heading for Alamosa). The light wasn't wonderful when I was there either so I warmed it a tad in Photoshop. Here's my memory of that stop-over: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/_IGP2352-K5-1peso.jpg (I might not have photographed it if it wasn't for the colourful ice cream truck parked under it) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > > I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very > handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was > thinking of looking to > > see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that > bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two > dogs were having > > a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them > > ann > > > On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > >> I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, > >> but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with > >> it. > > > > Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the > > light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image > > when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV > > > > Kenneth Waller > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > > > - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" > > > > Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. > > > > > >> Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> > >> A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: > >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg > >> > >> +++ > >> > >> I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't > >> wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live > >> with > >> it. > >> > >> I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters > >> after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite > >> dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with > >> software. I'm > >> happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but > >> otherwise > >> it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply > >> paint > >> what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've > >> taken > >> many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like > >> this as it stands. > >> > >> Malcolm > > > > > > > -- -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken - sometimes we take photos just to remember the moment..., when you know you won't have another chance... the geometry is nice enough here. My solution in this situation in days of film was to slap on a red filteron the camera with the bW film in it... Dan could do the same in photo shop and improve it quite a bit I think... I hardly shot anything at that particular location it isn't a very handsome spot.. but I do often use photos as trip markers... I was thinking of looking to see if I met that tree back in the 80's... I know I drove over that bridge in 2001. scary bridge!acrophobia city. When I was there two dogs were having a tussleand I mainly photo'ed them ann On 10/24/2016 4:25 PM, Ken Waller wrote: I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like this as it stands. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My memory is aided by repeated trips to the area and repeated trips to my boxes of slides more recently :-) ann On 10/24/2016 3:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Great memory ann! I spent a week in Taos, in trial and got out to that bridge but never shot that tree. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Yeah... too bad about the light - I know that Dan was only in that area for a few days and I gather, because of the kind of meet-up it was, he really was constrained - Dan you should elaborate a bit on your trip... I'd personally like to know what your local itinerary was. This shot was taken near the edge of the rio grand gorge, a bit north and west of Taos.. A bridge runs over it :-) ann On 10/24/2016 11:50 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Nice subject that cries out for better light. -Original Message- From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Subject: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. Not to be elitist about this, but I wouldn't take this shot if the light wasn't acceptable - I don't see a reason to capture the image when I know it already has major faults built it - YMMV Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Malcolm Smith" Subject: RE: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like this as it stands. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Great memory ann! I spent a week in Taos, in trial and got out to that bridge but never shot that tree. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" Subject: Re: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. Yeah... too bad about the light - I know that Dan was only in that area for a few days and I gather, because of the kind of meet-up it was, he really was constrained - Dan you should elaborate a bit on your trip... I'd personally like to know what your local itinerary was. This shot was taken near the edge of the rio grand gorge, a bit north and west of Taos.. A bridge runs over it :-) ann On 10/24/2016 11:50 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Nice subject that cries out for better light. -Original Message- From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Subject: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's a common tree in the area Dan was in... It is a Fremont cottonwood tree, Populus fremontii I'm waiting for Dan's photos of the Plaza - either Taos or Old Santa Fe... they are both very beautiful ann On 10/24/2016 11:53 AM, Alan C wrote: A powerful image, Dan. A survivor. Alan C -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 3:46 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Daniel J. Matyola wrote: A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg +++ I like it. I appreciate that as others have stated the light isn't wonderful, but sometimes you have to work with what you have and live with it. I had a difference of opinion recently with a photographer with letters after his name for this medium; he was not adverse to changing (quite dramatically) light or removing elements from the photo with software. I'm happy to use Lightroom to enhance the image and remove spots, but otherwise it stops being what you saw. I have no doubt an artist would simply paint what he wanted. I've looked at your image several times Dan, and I've taken many pictures which would benefit from a more dramatic sky. I still like this as it stands. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah... too bad about the light - I know that Dan was only in that area for a few days and I gather, because of the kind of meet-up it was, he really was constrained - Dan you should elaborate a bit on your trip... I'd personally like to know what your local itinerary was. This shot was taken near the edge of the rio grand gorge, a bit north and west of Taos.. A bridge runs over it :-) ann On 10/24/2016 11:50 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Nice subject that cries out for better light. -Original Message- From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Subject: PESO: A tree grows in Badlands. A shot from my recent trip to New Mexico: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18302690&size=lg Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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