RE: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter?
To be honest . . . YES! Tired of 115f+ Phoenix and the Valley of the sun are gorgeous in fall, winter and spring. Summer sucks! < Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? Didn't think so. However I was looking through old files looking for something and found this. If it looks cold it's because it was. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20tuxisislandandeastwharfboat.html Equipment: Pentax *ist-D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0>> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep, I generally start missing it in late May. But I rather like my cold weather, must be the Finnish side. Anything over 25C is too hot unless the humidity's eally low. -Adam On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Jerry in Arizona wrote: > To be honest . . . YES! Tired of 115f+ Phoenix and the Valley of the sun are > gorgeous in fall, winter and spring. Summer sucks! > > < Message-ID: <4c6576d3.8080...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? Didn't think so. > However I was looking through old files looking for something and found > this. If it looks cold it's because it was. > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20tuxisislandandeastwharfboat.html > > > Equipment: Pentax *ist-D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0>> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Jerry in Arizona" Subject: RE: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? To be honest . . . YES! Tired of 115f+ Phoenix and the Valley of the sun are gorgeous in fall, winter and spring. Summer sucks! Not missing winter, but it would be nice if it stopped raining. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/8/16 William Robb : > > Not missing winter, but it would be nice if it stopped raining. had a wonderful winter, nice dry cold, not quite enough snow but can't complain. weather's really acting up though, winte rwas too long, spring too hot, summer too rainy, my cherries and reineclaudes and apples all took a beating, there will be only reineclaude jam n jelly this year and very few apples, whatever cherries there were wasn't worth mentioning and ultimately eaten by the birds during the short time I was away... and yes it could pretty effin' please stop raining -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 16 August 2010 12:19, William Robb wrote: > > -- > From: "Jerry in Arizona" > Subject: RE: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? > >> To be honest . . . YES! Tired of 115f+ Phoenix and the Valley of the sun >> are >> gorgeous in fall, winter and spring. Summer sucks! >> > > Not missing winter, but it would be nice if it stopped raining. We need more rain here. This winter is looking to be the driest on record. DS -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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We could really use a bit more rain around here (south-east US). We've had occasional thunderstorms late in the day, but all we're really getting is humidity reaching the tipping over point where it storms down. It's been hot and humid, but that's just the moisture in the ground getting baked out. There's no net gain in rainfall. We're not there yet, but we're slowly heading towards drought again. Maybe the fall will be wetter and we'll dodge a bullet again. But if it keeps on like this, 2011 is probably going to be a repeat of 2007. From: David Savage On 16 August 2010 12:19, William Robb wrote: > > ------ > From: "Jerry in Arizona" > Subject: RE: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? > >> To be honest . . . YES! ?Tired of 115f+ ?Phoenix and the Valley of the sun >> are >> gorgeous in fall, winter and spring. ?Summer sucks! >> > > Not missing winter, but it would be nice if it stopped raining. We need more rain here. This winter is looking to be the driest on record. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You could have some of the rain we had a couple weeks ago. About 6 inches of rain on two separate occasions about a week apart. The second one dropped 6+ inches in about 4 hours. Streets turned into rivers, basements flooded and collapsed. Most of the residential damage was in the inner city where folks can least afford to do any repairs. No flood insurance and they're talking about razing homes. A sinkhole opened up at one intersection and swallowed a brand new Escalade - about 20 ft down. The driver got out OK but he'd just filled up with gas and didn't turn off the engine. The thing was still running 24 hours later - just sitting there idling. -p On 8/16/2010 3:16 PM, John Sessoms wrote: We could really use a bit more rain around here (south-east US). We've had occasional thunderstorms late in the day, but all we're really getting is humidity reaching the tipping over point where it storms down. It's been hot and humid, but that's just the moisture in the ground getting baked out. There's no net gain in rainfall. We're not there yet, but we're slowly heading towards drought again. Maybe the fall will be wetter and we'll dodge a bullet again. But if it keeps on like this, 2011 is probably going to be a repeat of 2007. From: David Savage On 16 August 2010 12:19, William Robb wrote: > > -------------- > From: "Jerry in Arizona" > Subject: RE: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? > >> To be honest . . . YES! ?Tired of 115f+ ?Phoenix and the Valley of the sun >> are >> gorgeous in fall, winter and spring. ?Summer sucks! >> > > Not missing winter, but it would be nice if it stopped raining. We need more rain here. This winter is looking to be the driest on record. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3075 - Release Date: 08/16/10 01:35:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not even a little. We got a bunch of snow and that's just a nuisance when you live in a place that doesn't want to allocate enough money to handle it. On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > Yep, I generally start missing it in late May. But I rather like my > cold weather, must be the Finnish side. Anything over 25C is too hot > unless the humidity's eally low. > > -Adam > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Jerry in Arizona > wrote: >> To be honest . . . YES! Tired of 115f+ Phoenix and the Valley of the sun >> are >> gorgeous in fall, winter and spring. Summer sucks! >> >> <> Message-ID: <4c6576d3.8080...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? Didn't think so. >> However I was looking through old files looking for something and found >> this. If it looks cold it's because it was. >> >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20tuxisislandandeastwharfboat.html >> >> >> Equipment: Pentax *ist-D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0>> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > M. Adam Maas > http://www.mawz.ca > Explorations of the City Around Us. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: > Not even a little. We got a bunch of snow and that's just a nuisance > when you live in a place that doesn't want to allocate enough money to > handle it. > That's not an unusual problem, Toronto regularly runs through its snow removal budget 1-2 months early whenever we get Canadian winters. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wouldn't Toronto always get Canadian winters? Being in Canada and all... On 8/18/2010 4:22 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Not even a little. We got a bunch of snow and that's just a nuisance when you live in a place that doesn't want to allocate enough money to handle it. That's not an unusual problem, Toronto regularly runs through its snow removal budget 1-2 months early whenever we get Canadian winters. -Adam -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, Toronto generally gets a quite mild winter. When we get a winter that more resembles a real Canadian winter, Snow removal actually has to work and that's not in the budget. And most of Canada greatly wishes that Toronto wasn't technically in Canada. It's not that bad, Victoria, BC doesn't even own a snowplow. Of course they've had about 3 feet of snow cumulative in the last 20 years, 2 feet of which happened in one day about 14 years ago. -Adam On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Wouldn't Toronto always get Canadian winters? Being in Canada and all... > > On 8/18/2010 4:22 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Steven Desjardins >> wrote: >>> >>> Not even a little. We got a bunch of snow and that's just a nuisance >>> when you live in a place that doesn't want to allocate enough money to >>> handle it. >>> >> That's not an unusual problem, Toronto regularly runs through its snow >> removal budget 1-2 months early whenever we get Canadian winters. >> >> -Adam >> > > > -- > "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed > moral bankruptcy." > -Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> And most of Canada greatly wishes that Toronto > wasn't technically in Canada. > why? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Bob W wrote: >> And most of Canada greatly wishes that Toronto >> wasn't technically in Canada. >> > > why? > Mostly because they're sick of Torontonians, who are somewhat notorious for acting like Toronto's the only place that matters in Canada. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was always under the impression that the Quebecois were thought of in that manner. Probably something I picked up from watching Kids in the Hall. Best, Walt On 8/18/2010 6:26 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Bob W wrote: And most of Canada greatly wishes that Toronto wasn't technically in Canada. why? Mostly because they're sick of Torontonians, who are somewhat notorious for acting like Toronto's the only place that matters in Canada. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh, the Quebecois have some of that going as well, especially when out west. But at least many of them want to leave as well, they aren't convinced they're Canada like so many Torontonians are. -Adam Note, I'm a native westerner currently stuck in Toronto. I've seen both sides. And mostly agree with the non-Torontonians. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: > I was always under the impression that the Quebecois were thought of in > that manner. > > Probably something I picked up from watching Kids in the Hall. > > Best, > > Walt > > On 8/18/2010 6:26 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Bob W wrote: And most of Canada greatly wishes that Toronto wasn't technically in Canada. >>> why? >>> >> Mostly because they're sick of Torontonians, who are somewhat >> notorious for acting like Toronto's the only place that matters in >> Canada. >> >> -Adam >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? Wouldn't Toronto always get Canadian winters? Being in Canada and all... Look at a map sometime. Toronto is almost as far south as San Francisco William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Walter Gilbert" Subject: Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? I was always under the impression that the Quebecois were thought of in that manner. The Quebecois actually think that they are all that matters. Think of an entire province that acts like the post office and you have their attitude in a nutshell. Quebec is sort of the spoiled stepchild of Confederation I suspect that if they are foolish enough to hold another referendum about sovereignty, they will be asked to leave, and we'll take Labrador back and let it be part of Newfoundland again. William Robb Probably something I picked up from watching Kids in the Hall. Best, Walt On 8/18/2010 6:26 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Bob W wrote: And most of Canada greatly wishes that Toronto wasn't technically in Canada. why? Mostly because they're sick of Torontonians, who are somewhat notorious for acting like Toronto's the only place that matters in Canada. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was talking attitude, not latitude. On 8/18/2010 8:04 PM, William Robb wrote: -- From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? Wouldn't Toronto always get Canadian winters? Being in Canada and all... Look at a map sometime. Toronto is almost as far south as San Francisco William Robb -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ah. Sounds like the Quebecois are Vichy Canadians, and Torontonians are Ontario's version of Parisians. On 8/18/2010 6:46 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Oh, the Quebecois have some of that going as well, especially when out west. But at least many of them want to leave as well, they aren't convinced they're Canada like so many Torontonians are. -Adam Note, I'm a native westerner currently stuck in Toronto. I've seen both sides. And mostly agree with the non-Torontonians. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote: I was always under the impression that the Quebecois were thought of in that manner. Probably something I picked up from watching Kids in the Hall. Best, Walt On 8/18/2010 6:26 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Bob Wwrote: And most of Canada greatly wishes that Toronto wasn't technically in Canada. why? Mostly because they're sick of Torontonians, who are somewhat notorious for acting like Toronto's the only place that matters in Canada. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/8/19 Walter Gilbert : > > Ah. Sounds like the Quebecois are Vichy Canadians, and Torontonians are > Ontario's version of Parisians. Quiet days in Cliché... but yes it sounds like it =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 07:26:05PM -0500, Walter Gilbert scripsit: > Ah. Sounds like the Quebecois are Vichy Canadians, and > Torontonians are Ontario's version of Parisians. Well, or Westerners generally don't like Québécois and you're getting the opinions of Westerners. It's more than a subset of them are convinced the rest of us aren't Canadian, rather than that they aren't. Said subset is in a demographic vise and knows it. (Rather like Toronto is currently past 30% recent immigrant; the Bay Street image doesn't fade very fast (what with Bay Street still being there) but having one metro region have a quarter of the population of a country still has side effects.) I have no French to speak of but quite like Quebec and various Québécois colleagues I've had over the years. Anyone with landscape photography ambitions could do a lot worse than to spend some time around Quebec City, and you could die of your age before getting through all the good food in Montreal. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Graydon wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 07:26:05PM -0500, Walter Gilbert scripsit: >> Ah. Sounds like the Quebecois are Vichy Canadians, and >> Torontonians are Ontario's version of Parisians. > > Well, or Westerners generally don't like Québécois and you're getting > the opinions of Westerners. > > It's more than a subset of them are convinced the rest of us aren't > Canadian, rather than that they aren't. Said subset is in a demographic > vise and knows it. (Rather like Toronto is currently past 30% recent > immigrant; the Bay Street image doesn't fade very fast (what with Bay > Street still being there) but having one metro region have a quarter of > the population of a country still has side effects.) > > I have no French to speak of but quite like Quebec and various Québécois > colleagues I've had over the years. Anyone with landscape photography > ambitions could do a lot worse than to spend some time around Quebec > City, and you could die of your age before getting through all the good > food in Montreal. > > -- Graydon Note that while I'm a native Westerner, I'm bilingual (well used to be, my French is bloody rusty) and also lived in Northern Ontario for a decade, in a city which was 40% Francophone. I quite like the Quebecois as a people and individuals and the province itsef is gorgeous. I however do not like their continual demands for special treatment politically as well as for recognition as a 'Distinct Society' or a seperate Nation under the same sovereignity. It's historical hogwash and pure greed. The Quebecois have been a more equal part of Confederation since the beginning (along with Ontario) and frankly, both the Maritimes and the West keep getting screwed by them both. Quebecois, or Quebec residents have dominated Federal Politics since the 1960's. We've only had 3 Prime Ministers since 1968 who didn't come from Quebec ridings and two of those lasted a collective 12 months in power (the third is our current PM, Stephen Harper). Not to mention the billions of dollars in Transfer payments that already-rich Quebec has received from taxes collected in Ontario, Alberta and BC. Frankly, if they want to leave, let them. If not, let them shut up about it. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "Adam Maas" Subject: Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? Note that while I'm a native Westerner, I'm bilingual (well used to be, my French is bloody rusty) and also lived in Northern Ontario for a decade, in a city which was 40% Francophone. I quite like the Quebecois as a people and individuals and the province itsef is gorgeous. I however do not like their continual demands for special treatment politically as well as for recognition as a 'Distinct Society' or a seperate Nation under the same sovereignity. It's historical hogwash and pure greed. The Quebecois have been a more equal part of Confederation since the beginning (along with Ontario) and frankly, both the Maritimes and the West keep getting screwed by them both. Quebecois, or Quebec residents have dominated Federal Politics since the 1960's. We've only had 3 Prime Ministers since 1968 who didn't come from Quebec ridings and two of those lasted a collective 12 months in power (the third is our current PM, Stephen Harper). Not to mention the billions of dollars in Transfer payments that already-rich Quebec has received from taxes collected in Ontario, Alberta and BC. Frankly, if they want to leave, let them. If not, let them shut up about it. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Graydon wrote: > It's more than a subset of them are convinced the rest of us aren't > Canadian, rather than that they aren't. Said subset is in a demographic > vise and knows it. (Rather like Toronto is currently past 30% recent > immigrant; the Bay Street image doesn't fade very fast (what with Bay > Street still being there) but having one metro region have a quarter of > the population of a country still has side effects.) > Just another note on this, but Westerners are not in a demographic vise, that's mostly affecting the Maritimes, and to a lesser extent Quebec as the economic and population centres shift from being Ontario and Quebec to Ontario and the West (BC/Alberta mostly). The west is also much less homogeneous than Ontario or Quebec, which are dominated by Anglo-Saxons and French respectively with most of the other ethnicities being relatively new arrivals from the post-WW2 period. The West was settled by subsequent waves of European immigration and has had significant non-European immigration on and off for almost 130 years and there's really no dominant ethnic groups unlike in the east. Folks form Southern Ontario and Toronto in particular are somewhat notorious for assuming that their basic values define 'Canadian Values'. The CBC, which is functionally a Torontonian monopoly, is the most guilty, but given that much of the National Media is Toronto-based and Torontonian-staffed, folks from outside of Southern Ontario get this alot (Hate Toronto is not just a Western thing, Northern Ontarians and Maritimers do too). Often times these 'Canadian Values' aren't shared by those outside of Southern Ontario. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting stuff. We toured through Quebec, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia in
August last year and were bemused by the way the francophone population were
fixated on events that occurred 250 years ago, right down to the slogan on the
Quebec number plates - Je me souviens ("I remember").
We joked that the rest of Canada should adopt the slogan "Get over it!". They
seem to have the same bloody-minded attitude that afflicts the Irish. So much
energy wasted on meaningless issues, since one European derived way of living
is usually similar to another. It is nothing like living in the Middle East or
Arica where being part of the wrong group can result in persecution or death.
Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia
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From: "William Robb" From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? > Wouldn't Toronto always get Canadian winters? Being in Canada and > all... > Look at a map sometime. Toronto is almost as far south as San Francisco William Robb Sure ... for large values of "almost". Make the value of "almost" large enough and Toronto's "almost" as far south as Key West. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My favorite is Chicago and Rome are at the same latitude. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:48 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: "William Robb" >> >> From: "P. J. Alling" >> Subject: Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? >> >>> > Wouldn't Toronto always get Canadian winters? Being in Canada and > >>> > all... >>> > >> >> Look at a map sometime. Toronto is almost as far south as San Francisco >> >> William Robb > > Sure ... for large values of "almost". > > Make the value of "almost" large enough and Toronto's "almost" as far south > as Key West. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? Look at a map sometime. Toronto is almost as far south as San Francisco William Robb Sure ... for large values of "almost". Make the value of "almost" large enough and Toronto's "almost" as far south as Key West. It depends on if you are an anal retentive pedant or someone who can operate in a world of generalities and doesn't mind a little hyperbole every now and again. I figure T.O is perhaps 400 miles north of SF. That really isn't very far considering that Canada is NORTH of the USA and SF is in the third state south of the border. You need to get out and talk with real people more often John. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 01:33:16PM +1000, Paul Ewins wrote: > We joked that the rest of Canada should adopt the slogan "Get over it!". > They seem to have the same bloody-minded attitude that afflicts the Irish. So > much energy wasted on meaningless issues, since one European derived way of > living is usually similar to another. It is nothing like living in the Middle > East or Arica where being part of the wrong group can result in persecution > or death. The same has been true of many parts of Northern Ireland for much of the last forty years. For that matter, there were parts of the North Bay in Boston where speaking with the wrong (that is to say British) accent could be seriously detrimental to your health. Fortunately it was fairly easy to spot if you accidentally wandered into the wrong bar; the collecting tin for the IRA sitting openly on the counter was generally a giveaway. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter?
> For that matter, there were parts of the North Bay in Boston where speaking > with the wrong (that is to say British) accent could be seriously detrimental to > your health. Fortunately it was fairly easy to spot if you accidentally > wandered into the wrong bar; the collecting tin for the IRA sitting openly on > the counter was generally a giveaway. when I lived in northwest London a few years ago there were pubs where people used to come around collecting for 'the boys'. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter?
From: Bob Sullivan My favorite is Chicago and Rome are at the same latitude. Are they? I thought Rome was slightly farther north. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 9:48 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: "William Robb" >> >> From: "P. J. Alling" >> Subject: Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? >> >>> > ?Wouldn't Toronto always get Canadian winters? ? Being in Canada and > >>> > all... >>> > >> >> Look at a map sometime. Toronto is almost as far south as San Francisco >> >> William Robb > > Sure ... for large values of "almost". > > Make the value of "almost" large enough and Toronto's "almost" as far south > as Key West. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter?
From: "William Robb" From: "John Sessoms" Subject: Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter? > >> Look at a map sometime. Toronto is almost as far south as San Francisco >> >> William Robb > > Sure ... for large values of "almost". > > Make the value of "almost" large enough and Toronto's "almost" as far > south as Key West. > It depends on if you are an anal retentive pedant or someone who can operate in a world of generalities and doesn't mind a little hyperbole every now and again. I figure T.O is perhaps 400 miles north of SF. That really isn't very far considering that Canada is NORTH of the USA and SF is in the third state south of the border. You need to get out and talk with real people more often John. If I am "anal retentive", at least it's not my head that's stuck up my ass. You might consider taking your own advice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter?
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:27:31PM -0400, Adam Maas scripsit: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Graydon wrote: > > It's more than a subset of them are convinced the rest of us aren't > > Canadian, rather than that they aren't. Said subset is in a > > demographic vise and knows it. (Rather like Toronto is currently > > past 30% recent immigrant; the Bay Street image doesn't fade very > > fast (what with Bay Street still being there) but having one metro > > region have a quarter of the population of a country still has side > > effects.) > > Just another note on this, but Westerners are not in a demographic > vise, that's mostly affecting the Maritimes, and to a lesser extent > Quebec I was intending to refer to the Pure Laine Quebecois, there. Who are in a demographic vice of the first order. The west is in a _climate_ vice, which is a whole nother problem. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/8/20 Graydon : > > The west is in a _climate_ vice, which is a whole nother problem. not to worry, it will turn global shortly... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Bob W wrote: >> >> why? >> > > Mostly because they're sick of Torontonians, who are somewhat > notorious for acting like Toronto's the only place that matters in > Canada. We'll trade you for NYC. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\<,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > > Frankly, if they want to leave, let them. If not, let them shut up about it. Your domestic matters are generally none of my business, but if some of you could teach them to drive before they head to Florida, those of us south of your border would be greatly appreciative. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\<,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Wow, didn't know that. Virginia gets more snow than that. Mostly we just shoot at it. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > No, Toronto generally gets a quite mild winter. When we get a winter > that more resembles a real Canadian winter, Snow removal actually has > to work and that's not in the budget. And most of Canada greatly > wishes that Toronto wasn't technically in Canada. > > It's not that bad, Victoria, BC doesn't even own a snowplow. Of course > they've had about 3 feet of snow cumulative in the last 20 years, 2 > feet of which happened in one day about 14 years ago. > > -Adam > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM, P. J. Alling > wrote: >> Wouldn't Toronto always get Canadian winters? Being in Canada and all... >> >> On 8/18/2010 4:22 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Steven Desjardins >>> wrote: Not even a little. We got a bunch of snow and that's just a nuisance when you live in a place that doesn't want to allocate enough money to handle it. >>> That's not an unusual problem, Toronto regularly runs through its snow >>> removal budget 1-2 months early whenever we get Canadian winters. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >> >> >> -- >> "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed >> moral bankruptcy." >> -Woody Allen >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > M. Adam Maas > http://www.mawz.ca > Explorations of the City Around Us. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> >> Frankly, if they want to leave, let them. If not, let them shut up about it. > > Your domestic matters are generally none of my business, but if some > of you could teach them to drive before they head to Florida, those of > us south of your border would be greatly appreciative. > > -- > Scott Loveless We've been trying for about 100 years. Still isn't taking any better than teaching Torontonians to drive in the snow is. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/20/2010 8:41 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Bob W wrote: why? Mostly because they're sick of Torontonians, who are somewhat notorious for acting like Toronto's the only place that matters in Canada. We'll trade you for NYC. Only if the promise to incarcerate Bloomberg for crimes against the English language. -- "His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Anybody in the northern hemisphere missing winter?
OMG, combine them with the indigenous old codgers in Florida and driving is really dangerous! Bob S. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> >> Frankly, if they want to leave, let them. If not, let them shut up about it. > > Your domestic matters are generally none of my business, but if some > of you could teach them to drive before they head to Florida, those of > us south of your border would be greatly appreciative. > > -- > Scott Loveless > http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ > __o > _'\<,_ > (*)/ (*) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Although highly remunerative for some small southern communities along the I-95 corridor. From: Bob Sullivan OMG, combine them with the indigenous old codgers in Florida and driving is really dangerous! Bob S. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Adam Maas wrote: >> >> Frankly, if they want to leave, let them. If not, let them shut up about it. > > Your domestic matters are generally none of my business, but if some > of you could teach them to drive before they head to Florida, those of > us south of your border would be greatly appreciative. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
