Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
P. J. Alling wrote: On 5/11/2010 2:27 AM, Cotty wrote: On 10/5/10, Tim Bray, discombobulated, unleashed: Here are a few that I particularly regret not having seen lovingly rendered on those walls: Help - AnnSan - intensity and grace Surf Club - P.J. Alling - the exposition of space is pure poetry Holy Water - Pasvorn Boonmark - a totally astounding picture; I keep going back to look again Rowboats, Padstow - Cotty - an uncluttered hymn to curvature Tree in Field - Steven Sharpe - it's a haiku Piano Player - Dario Bonazza - almost too intense to look at, illustration by subtraction Ratlines and Rigging - Paul Sorenson - infinite detail at perfect rest Deputy - John Andrew Celio - what a face Thats very kind Tim, but I declined to offer my shot to the show for the simple reason of cost. Cheers, Cotty __/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ Same here. = Well my other shot was in the show - no one had two in. It was left to the curator, of course, to select what she thought would work best at the site... I kinda thought help would be more likely to have been purchased and was gratified to hear, when I met Sue, that she had a hard time deciding which of the two to use :-) I wasn't confident enought ot submit only help for the book. Piano Player and Cotty's boats were especially faves of mine when I saw the whole book. God forbid I should pay a serious compliment to PJ,(;-)) but your Surf Club is on of your best shots, I think. Ann - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: God forbid I should pay a serious compliment to PJ,(;-)) but your Surf Club is on of your best shots, I think. Ann William Robb, would you please forbid Ann. Thanks. Amen. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
On 5/11/2010 2:27 AM, Cotty wrote:
On 10/5/10, Tim Bray, discombobulated, unleashed:
Here are a few that I particularly regret not having seen lovingly
rendered on those walls:
Help - AnnSan - intensity and grace
Surf Club - P.J. Alling - the exposition of space is pure poetry
Holy Water - Pasvorn Boonmark - a totally astounding picture; I keep
going back to look again
Rowboats, Padstow - Cotty - an uncluttered hymn to curvature
Tree in Field - Steven Sharpe - it's a haiku
Piano Player - Dario Bonazza - almost too intense to look at,
illustration by subtraction
Ratlines and Rigging - Paul Sorenson - infinite detail at perfect rest
Deputy - John Andrew Celio - what a face
Thats very kind Tim, but I declined to offer my shot to the show for the
simple reason of cost.
Same here.
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Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
Tom, Bill, et al. I am a member of a local camera club that is very keen on submitting their work to international competitions and winning prizes. Not for sake of prizes as such but rather for other sakes which I shouldn't mention here and now. I don't participate in this hmmm endeavor. However, what I noticed over the years is that the guys in the club have found their own understanding of what gets them there. So, indeed, they get their prizes all right, but I also noticed that their photography has become influenced by their intended audience (international photo competitions juries)... To that end, given that this is was our very first attempt with this very venue, I think everything came together quite well. I shall be very curious to see how the next year project will develop. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
Not everyone requested being in the show. Marnie In a message dated 5/10/2010 9:17:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tb...@textuality.com writes: But hey, as I said, it's just an opinion; worth what you paid for it. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
And, personally, I only sent one photo in for the book, because I wanted to make the judgement of what of mine that I wanted in it, rather than someone else deciding. HTH, Marnie :-) Shrug, just the way I am, I don't like contests and such. --- In a message dated 5/13/2010 12:30:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, eactiv...@aol.com writes: Not everyone requested being in the show. Marnie In a message dated 5/10/2010 9:17:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tb...@textuality.com writes: But hey, as I said, it's just an opinion; worth what you paid for it. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
Thanks, Tim, for your kind remarks. Much appreciated. As to your comments about exhibition picks: one thing to remember is SPACE when doing an exhibit; exhibits are limited by space. Remember, our exhibit had 44 photographs, which is HUGE. PDML is lucky to have been invited by a gallery that could physically accommodate a large collection of photographs. Also, it's my view Sue had interest in selecting a wide range of genres, which reflects the spirit of PDML. PDML is not a one genre photographic community, and I think she did a good job of trying to reflect our diversity. If PDML has another opportunity to do an exhibit somewhere else in the world, the curator of the gallery may not be interested in doing what Sue did. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:17 PM Subject: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion The very small gallery is here: http://www.tbray.org/pdml/PDML-Augenblick/ The shots are mostly a little blurry (I had the K20 accidentally locked at ISO 200, so the Sigma 1.4 was running wide) and nothing much in themselves; notable are the paired white K-X's in the first, and Larry's dramatic silhouette menacing AnnSan as he photographs her in the last. BTW, Larry showed me how you can use a plastic film-canister lid to replace the irritating little screw-in cap on the DA 40mm limited. Of the pictures on display, I liked Christine's wonderful Brown-line composition the best. OK, here's the controversial opinion. Well, perhaps not, because it's a matter of personal taste. But, anyhow... I quite strongly disagreed with the selection from the book for the show. Yes, they were very good - a tribute to some combination of the PDML talent pool and Mark's outstanding curatorship and printsmanship. But as I picked up my book for the first time and leafed through it after having orbited the gallery a couple of times, time after time I found myself shaking my head thinking Why the #%$~! is this wonderful piece not on these walls? Here are a few that I particularly regret not having seen lovingly rendered on those walls: Help - AnnSan - intensity and grace Surf Club - P.J. Alling - the exposition of space is pure poetry Holy Water - Pasvorn Boonmark - a totally astounding picture; I keep going back to look again Rowboats, Padstow - Cotty - an uncluttered hymn to curvature Tree in Field - Steven Sharpe - it's a haiku Piano Player - Dario Bonazza - almost too intense to look at, illustration by subtraction Ratlines and Rigging - Paul Sorenson - infinite detail at perfect rest Deputy - John Andrew Celio - what a face The lady who did the selection used criteria that were not, in my opinion, essentially photographic. But hey, as I said, it's just an opinion; worth what you paid for t. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
I like the clearer one. the blurriest one looks like a mistake, the clearer one looks like an effect. -- J.C. O'Connell (mailto:hifis...@gate.net) Join the CD PLAYER DISC Discussions : http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdplayers/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/cdsound/ -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Doug Franklin Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:57 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion On 2010-05-11 21:41, William Robb wrote: For myself, it was a terrific opportunity to get my work out there, even in a relatively small way. Had my shot been selected, I would've gladly paid just to have the print that Mark made. :-) I'm not wholly joking, here. Sure, it would've been nice to have my work out there, but it's very likely that my largest benefit would've been a beautiful Mark-print. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-05-11 21:41, William Robb wrote: For myself, it was a terrific opportunity to get my work out there, even in a relatively small way. Had my shot been selected, I would've gladly paid just to have the print that Mark made. :-) I'm not wholly joking, here. Sure, it would've been nice to have my work out there, but it's very likely that my largest benefit would've been a beautiful Mark-print. :-) I'm looking forward very much to seeing my own personal Markachrome. :) I wish I could have seen it in the context of all the other wonderful prints, but I'll settle for my one-off. I just hope the shipping fee isn't too bank-breaking. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
On 10/5/10, Tim Bray, discombobulated, unleashed: Here are a few that I particularly regret not having seen lovingly rendered on those walls: Help - AnnSan - intensity and grace Surf Club - P.J. Alling - the exposition of space is pure poetry Holy Water - Pasvorn Boonmark - a totally astounding picture; I keep going back to look again Rowboats, Padstow - Cotty - an uncluttered hymn to curvature Tree in Field - Steven Sharpe - it's a haiku Piano Player - Dario Bonazza - almost too intense to look at, illustration by subtraction Ratlines and Rigging - Paul Sorenson - infinite detail at perfect rest Deputy - John Andrew Celio - what a face Thats very kind Tim, but I declined to offer my shot to the show for the simple reason of cost. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
De: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Thats very kind Tim, but I declined to offer my shot to the show for the simple reason of cost. I too had the impression that some of the best shots were missing...but also forgot that the author had to made them eligible for the show. Regards, Jaume -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
Tim, Thanks for the post of gallery shots. Fun to relive the moment. Of the three I submitted, the one I personally felt most likely to succeed as a piece of art, was neither in the book or gallery. Based on past experience, I wasn't really too surprised though. What does that say to me? I more or less submitted (on relatively short notice) what I considered possibly my three best shots of '09 (or more accurately the three I felt most likely to succeed). As photographer I simply supplied the raw material. The book compilers and curator(s) did the selection of material. There were some images hung that were not my favorites either. However being essentially a non-themed gallery, I suspect the curator was 1) subjective as we all are, and 2) attempting to be objective so that images chosen for display would appeal to a wide spectrum of the general public. I remember Rowboats, Padstow which was outstanding and Tree in Field without even looking at the book again. Both outstanding photos and worthy of high praise, IMO. Maybe they just failed to speak to Sue as much as others, or it could be she was attempting to display a wide variety of subject matter, in a limited space. In any case, I'm positive the curator cannot please all people (put ourselves in her spot). Irrespective of my own personal taste and predilections, the book and gallery had a majority of shots that appealed me. Some shots that did not appeal to me at first, grew on me as time passed - to my surprise. I'm not saying anything you didn't already know, just blathering. Tom C. On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote: OK, here's the controversial opinion. Well, perhaps not, because it's a matter of personal taste. But, anyhow... I quite strongly disagreed with the selection from the book for the show. Yes, they were very good - a tribute to some combination of the PDML talent pool and Mark's outstanding curatorship and printsmanship. But as I picked up my book for the first time and leafed through it after having orbited the gallery a couple of times, time after time I found myself shaking my head thinking Why the #%$~! is this wonderful piece not on these walls? Here are a few that I particularly regret not having seen lovingly rendered on those walls: Help - AnnSan - intensity and grace Surf Club - P.J. Alling - the exposition of space is pure poetry Holy Water - Pasvorn Boonmark - a totally astounding picture; I keep going back to look again Rowboats, Padstow - Cotty - an uncluttered hymn to curvature Tree in Field - Steven Sharpe - it's a haiku Piano Player - Dario Bonazza - almost too intense to look at, illustration by subtraction Ratlines and Rigging - Paul Sorenson - infinite detail at perfect rest Deputy - John Andrew Celio - what a face The lady who did the selection used criteria that were not, in my opinion, essentially photographic. But hey, as I said, it's just an opinion; worth what you paid for it. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
Tim Bray wrote: But as I picked up my book for the first time and leafed through it after having orbited the gallery a couple of times, time after time I found myself shaking my head thinking Why the #%$~! is this wonderful piece not on these walls? In the majority of cases, it was because the photographer chose not to participate in the gallery exhibit. And we couldn't force 'em ;-) And most of the people who didn't want to be in the gallery show were overseas and probably couldn't justify spending the money for printing, framing and return shipping to be in a gallery they would never see. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
On 11/05/2010, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: In the majority of cases, it was because the photographer chose not to participate in the gallery exhibit. And we couldn't force 'em ;-) And most of the people who didn't want to be in the gallery show were overseas and probably couldn't justify spending the money for printing, framing and return shipping to be in a gallery they would never see. I would have loved to have my piece on the wall too (assuming of course that it made the grade) but like Mark said the likely cost of the return/disposal of the print plus the cost to get it on the wall was a little too much for me to contemplate at the moment, I'm sure it was a similar case for many others too. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
After having gone through this exercise, knowing the work I put into my individual entries, the work that those who compiled the book put into it, and the work the gallery curator and Christine put into it, I've come away with an altered, possibly more accurate perception of the entire affair. Knowing the above, I now find myself somewhat less hesitant to criticize selections that are made. I can't reasonably expect every image I like to be included, and those I feel ambivalent about to be excluded. It wasn't my role to select anything other than my own. Such criticism would, in my mind, seem to devalue the hard work that went into the production. I'm not saying anyone's doing that, just that I respect the individuals and the hard choices they must have had to make. (and of course not all images were eligible for inclusion) Tom C. In the majority of cases, it was because the photographer chose not to participate in the gallery exhibit. And we couldn't force 'em ;-) And most of the people who didn't want to be in the gallery show were overseas and probably couldn't justify spending the money for printing, framing and return shipping to be in a gallery they would never see. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion After having gone through this exercise, knowing the work I put into my individual entries, the work that those who compiled the book put into it, and the work the gallery curator and Christine put into it, I've come away with an altered, possibly more accurate perception of the entire affair. Knowing the above, I now find myself somewhat less hesitant to criticize selections that are made. I can't reasonably expect every image I like to be included, and those I feel ambivalent about to be excluded. It wasn't my role to select anything other than my own. Such criticism would, in my mind, seem to devalue the hard work that went into the production. I'm not saying anyone's doing that, just that I respect the individuals and the hard choices they must have had to make. For myself, it was a terrific opportunity to get my work out there, even in a relatively small way. Of the three images I submitted, I really do think the one chosen was the weakest of the lot, but when I mentioned this to Sue, she very strongly disagreed with me. I wouldn't have included it at all were it not for a positive comment Doug made about it when I posted it as part of a GESO last year. I churn these images out pretty easily, and I tend to be somewhat emotionally uninvolved with my own work, so it is always somewhat of a surprise for me when one of my pictures touches someone. I've done enough gallery shows over the years to not question the choices of a curator. They know what they are looking for, and usually they have a better eye for what will succeed on the wall than I do. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
On 2010-05-11 21:41, William Robb wrote: For myself, it was a terrific opportunity to get my work out there, even in a relatively small way. Had my shot been selected, I would've gladly paid just to have the print that Mark made. :-) I'm not wholly joking, here. Sure, it would've been nice to have my work out there, but it's very likely that my largest benefit would've been a beautiful Mark-print. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion Had my shot been selected, I would've gladly paid just to have the print that Mark made. :-) I'm not wholly joking, here. Sure, it would've been nice to have my work out there, but it's very likely that my largest benefit would've been a beautiful Mark-print. :-) I had seen every picture as a screen resolution image, and I have a print of my picture that I knocked off on my Epson. Mark has some sort of Voodoo going on where he makes pictures look far better than they have a right to look. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Augenblick: Some shots and a controversial opinion
The very small gallery is here: http://www.tbray.org/pdml/PDML-Augenblick/ The shots are mostly a little blurry (I had the K20 accidentally locked at ISO 200, so the Sigma 1.4 was running wide) and nothing much in themselves; notable are the paired white K-X's in the first, and Larry's dramatic silhouette menacing AnnSan as he photographs her in the last. BTW, Larry showed me how you can use a plastic film-canister lid to replace the irritating little screw-in cap on the DA 40mm limited. Of the pictures on display, I liked Christine's wonderful Brown-line composition the best. OK, here's the controversial opinion. Well, perhaps not, because it's a matter of personal taste. But, anyhow... I quite strongly disagreed with the selection from the book for the show. Yes, they were very good - a tribute to some combination of the PDML talent pool and Mark's outstanding curatorship and printsmanship. But as I picked up my book for the first time and leafed through it after having orbited the gallery a couple of times, time after time I found myself shaking my head thinking Why the #%$~! is this wonderful piece not on these walls? Here are a few that I particularly regret not having seen lovingly rendered on those walls: Help - AnnSan - intensity and grace Surf Club - P.J. Alling - the exposition of space is pure poetry Holy Water - Pasvorn Boonmark - a totally astounding picture; I keep going back to look again Rowboats, Padstow - Cotty - an uncluttered hymn to curvature Tree in Field - Steven Sharpe - it's a haiku Piano Player - Dario Bonazza - almost too intense to look at, illustration by subtraction Ratlines and Rigging - Paul Sorenson - infinite detail at perfect rest Deputy - John Andrew Celio - what a face The lady who did the selection used criteria that were not, in my opinion, essentially photographic. But hey, as I said, it's just an opinion; worth what you paid for it. -Tim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
