Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Leon, I know that. But such a thing would defeat the purpose of Live View which IMO is to show me the subject on the camera screen all the time. Anyway, I don't think that I will be using the Live View all too often, and my remark was more of an observation. In fact, I reckon that the 3rd (and hopefully final) part of the review will have positive summary, as I seem to have worked through most of my learning curve now. Boris Leon Altoff wrote: Boris, You comment about auto focus being slow in Live View. You can set the K7 to use the standard autofocus detectors rather than Contrast AF. It removes the live view image for a split second, but it's a lot quicker than waiting for contrast AF to do it's thing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
George Sinos wrote: I have to agree with Paul on this one. The general advice in the photo world is to turn off SR/VR/IS when the camera is supported or when panning. In reality, I've almost always forget to turn it off, and haven't ever had an image degraded because of it. Now, I just leave it on and foget about it. If I were to have a problem I would shut it off. As with many things, I read the instructions and then do what works. When I got the K10D, I read those warnings, and I went out and did some tests. SR helped even with the panning shots, and even with panning shots done from the monopod, so I leave it on all the time. I may cause issues in some situations, but not in the ones for which I use the camera. Since I mostly shoot race cars on track, something above 50% of my photos are panned. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
I have to agree with Paul on this one. The general advice in the photo world is to turn off SR/VR/IS when the camera is supported or when panning. In reality, I've almost always forget to turn it off, and haven't ever had an image degraded because of it. Now, I just leave it on and foget about it. If I were to have a problem I would shut it off. As with many things, I read the instructions and then do what works. GS On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:29 AM, paul stenquist wrote: > Read carefully Peter. The note on page 308 is a troubleshooting guide that > tells you what to do if shake reduction doesn't work. It says that when > panning or shooting at night with slow shutter speeds, it may not work. In > other words, SR won't eliminate shake in a slow shutter pan. I already know > that. But there's no need to turn it off when shooting a slow shutter pan. I > know that, because I do it. And doing personal experimentation is always the > best way to arrive at the truth. > > After 6000 frames I've found for certain that one never has to turn off SR > in the K7. Would you like to see more evidence? > > Paul > On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:32 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >> I would assume that the PDF file I linked to is the latest manual. If >> you open that PDF file in Acrobat, select the "Pages" tab, and click on the >> page labeled 310 it will take you to the page numbered 308. Under the >> column headed problem, scan down the page to "Shake Reduction Doesn't Work". >> I tried to make it easy. Of course you can simply open the acrobat reader >> search function and type in "Panning" it will take you to the same page. >> In fact it's apparently the only place Panning is mentioned. If they >> thought it wasn't important it wouldn't be there. It's not opinion, it's >> documentation, if you think it's wrong you should contact Pentax. I don't >> think it's wrong. >> >> Paul Stenquist wrote: >>> >>> Page 310 of the K7 manual deals with SD card capacity in different modes. >>> Page 2 of the PDF at the Pentaximaging.com site says shake reduction can be >>> turned off when panning. Doesn't say it has to be turned off. I know that >>> great pan results can be achieved with SR left on. I make judgements based >>> on results rather than on the opinion of others. >>> Paul >>> On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: >>> To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: > > On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: > >> Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and >> off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same >> thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality >> doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it >> doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. >> >> Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, >> what with the hardware switch being gone and all... > > Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the > 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning > goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the > sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it > off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! > > What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving > it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a > studio > shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't > complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu > item. > > > Joseph McAllister > pentax...@mac.com > > “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are > the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by > unskill
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Boris, You comment about auto focus being slow in Live View. You can set the K7 to use the standard autofocus detectors rather than Contrast AF. It removes the live view image for a split second, but it's a lot quicker than waiting for contrast AF to do it's thing. -- Leon 2009/8/27 Boris Liberman : > Here goes; > > http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html > > Be brutal and honest. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Gotta read my posts before I hit the send key! That should have said "And personal experimentation is always the best way to arrive at the truth." On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:29 AM, paul stenquist wrote: Read carefully Peter. The note on page 308 is a troubleshooting guide that tells you what to do if shake reduction doesn't work. It says that when panning or shooting at night with slow shutter speeds, it may not work. In other words, SR won't eliminate shake in a slow shutter pan. I already know that. But there's no need to turn it off when shooting a slow shutter pan. I know that, because I do it. And doing personal experimentation is always the best way to arrive at the truth. After 6000 frames I've found for certain that one never has to turn off SR in the K7. Would you like to see more evidence? Paul On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:32 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I would assume that the PDF file I linked to is the latest manual. If you open that PDF file in Acrobat, select the "Pages" tab, and click on the page labeled 310 it will take you to the page numbered 308. Under the column headed problem, scan down the page to "Shake Reduction Doesn't Work". I tried to make it easy. Of course you can simply open the acrobat reader search function and type in "Panning" it will take you to the same page. In fact it's apparently the only place Panning is mentioned. If they thought it wasn't important it wouldn't be there. It's not opinion, it's documentation, if you think it's wrong you should contact Pentax. I don't think it's wrong. Paul Stenquist wrote: Page 310 of the K7 manual deals with SD card capacity in different modes. Page 2 of the PDF at the Pentaximaging.com site says shake reduction can be turned off when panning. Doesn't say it has to be turned off. I know that great pan results can be achieved with SR left on. I make judgements based on results rather than on the opinion of others. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pd
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Read carefully Peter. The note on page 308 is a troubleshooting guide that tells you what to do if shake reduction doesn't work. It says that when panning or shooting at night with slow shutter speeds, it may not work. In other words, SR won't eliminate shake in a slow shutter pan. I already know that. But there's no need to turn it off when shooting a slow shutter pan. I know that, because I do it. And doing personal experimentation is always the best way to arrive at the truth. After 6000 frames I've found for certain that one never has to turn off SR in the K7. Would you like to see more evidence? Paul On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:32 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: I would assume that the PDF file I linked to is the latest manual. If you open that PDF file in Acrobat, select the "Pages" tab, and click on the page labeled 310 it will take you to the page numbered 308. Under the column headed problem, scan down the page to "Shake Reduction Doesn't Work". I tried to make it easy. Of course you can simply open the acrobat reader search function and type in "Panning" it will take you to the same page. In fact it's apparently the only place Panning is mentioned. If they thought it wasn't important it wouldn't be there. It's not opinion, it's documentation, if you think it's wrong you should contact Pentax. I don't think it's wrong. Paul Stenquist wrote: Page 310 of the K7 manual deals with SD card capacity in different modes. Page 2 of the PDF at the Pentaximaging.com site says shake reduction can be turned off when panning. Doesn't say it has to be turned off. I know that great pan results can be achieved with SR left on. I make judgements based on results rather than on the opinion of others. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mai
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
I would assume that the PDF file I linked to is the latest manual. If you open that PDF file in Acrobat, select the "Pages" tab, and click on the page labeled 310 it will take you to the page numbered 308. Under the column headed problem, scan down the page to "Shake Reduction Doesn't Work". I tried to make it easy. Of course you can simply open the acrobat reader search function and type in "Panning" it will take you to the same page. In fact it's apparently the only place Panning is mentioned. If they thought it wasn't important it wouldn't be there. It's not opinion, it's documentation, if you think it's wrong you should contact Pentax. I don't think it's wrong. Paul Stenquist wrote: Page 310 of the K7 manual deals with SD card capacity in different modes. Page 2 of the PDF at the Pentaximaging.com site says shake reduction can be turned off when panning. Doesn't say it has to be turned off. I know that great pan results can be achieved with SR left on. I make judgements based on results rather than on the opinion of others. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Page 310 of the K7 manual deals with SD card capacity in different modes. Page 2 of the PDF at the Pentaximaging.com site says shake reduction can be turned off when panning. Doesn't say it has to be turned off. I know that great pan results can be achieved with SR left on. I make judgements based on results rather than on the opinion of others. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 4:55 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
To everyone who thinks the Pentax has decided that SR can be left on while panning, perhaps they should update their documentation. Page two on this PDF hosted at the Pentaximaging.com site http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/All_Bodies_Shake_Reduction_012208.pdf or the K-7 manual on page 310 of the K-7 manual http://www.pentaximaging.com/pdf/K-7_e_web.pdf or the K20D manual on page 267 http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/scms_docs//K20D_Manual.pdf I'll leave it as an exercise for the student to check out the manuals for the K10D, K100D, K200D and K2000/K-m. But I'll wager they all say it's best to turn off SR while panning, as well as while using a tripod, taking macros, etc. I think I'll take the word of the Pentax engineers and marketing folks that SR should be turned off, I tried a couple of panned shots of flying birds and they came out looking double exposed. I deleted them but I'm sure I'll forget to turn SR off again, and I'll post some samples. Joseph McAllister wrote: On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Well they tell you not to, and I've tried a couple of pans, which should have come out in my opinion, which looked somewhat double exposed... Paul Stenquist wrote: I pan with the K7. No problems: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/08/17/automobiles/collectibles/0817-woodward_8.html I also pan with the K20D with SR turned on. It doesn't cause any problems. The sweeping motion of a pan is far outside the range of motion that SR tries to control. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:00 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's funny, I hadn't had a camera with SR until I got the K20D, so I didn't notice the removal of the SR switch in the Pictures of the K-7. The SR switch is a shooting control. Maybe not as important as manual control of the focus point, but until Pentax comes up with an SR system that's smart enough to know when the photographer is panning, turning it off at a moments notice will be a necessity . Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Boris Liberman wrote: Here goes; http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html Be brutal and honest. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
On Aug 27, 2009, at 07:00 , P. J. Alling wrote: Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Most of my photography of dogs is either panning or hoping the 'predictive' auto-focus will afford me some good shots. As far as panning goes, I never turn SR off, and my opinion is it has little effect on the sharpness or quality of the resulting images. I rarely remember to turn it off when I'm on a tripod with a remote release! What I'm saying is that Pentax probably realized that in fact leaving it on all the time for an outdoor shooter, or off all the time for a studio shooter, was not that important a deal. Given that their users weren't complaining, they relegated the switch function to a less intrusive menu item. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
I shot from a 30-foot high scissors lift with the K7 and a modest tripod (a Slik carbon fiber). The lift wasn't perfectly still, but I would wait to release the shutter until I couldn't sense any movement. Shake reduction was on, and I experienced no problems. On Aug 27, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Graydon wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 07:50:27PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher scripsit: Graydon wrote: I've never needed to turn the shake reduction off in the K20D. If I have the camera on a tripod on a really solid substrate -- bedrock, concrete footings -- I don't get any benefit from it, but I haven't seen any harm from it, either. I've just recenty noticed a rather strange phenomenon with my K-7: I usually travel with two tripods. A heavy wooden Berlebach and a simple metal tripod that has the great advantage of being set-up literally within seconds as you only need to push three locking tabs to make each of the legs unfold by spring force. Surprisingly solid and steady, that little thing. Sounds very handy! Put the K-7 with activated SR and Live View on the small tripod and within seconds the whole combination of camera and tripod will begin to strongly oscillate at around 10 Hertz. Obviously some resonance phenomenon triggered by the SR. Never seen anything like that before. The reason I emphasized the "really solid substrate" part is that trying to shoot from a wooden observation platform often outright fails; when there's a bunch of other people trooping across the platform behind me, the wooden surface bounces, and the relatively long-period oscillation defeats the shake reduction. Nothing for it but to wait until they've all passed by and try again. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 07:50:27PM +0200, Ralf R. Radermacher scripsit: > Graydon wrote: > > I've never needed to turn the shake reduction off in the K20D. If I > > have the camera on a tripod on a really solid substrate -- bedrock, > > concrete footings -- I don't get any benefit from it, but I haven't seen > > any harm from it, either. > > I've just recenty noticed a rather strange phenomenon with my K-7: > > I usually travel with two tripods. A heavy wooden Berlebach and a simple > metal tripod that has the great advantage of being set-up literally > within seconds as you only need to push three locking tabs to make each > of the legs unfold by spring force. Surprisingly solid and steady, that > little thing. Sounds very handy! > Put the K-7 with activated SR and Live View on the small tripod and > within seconds the whole combination of camera and tripod will begin to > strongly oscillate at around 10 Hertz. Obviously some resonance > phenomenon triggered by the SR. Never seen anything like that before. The reason I emphasized the "really solid substrate" part is that trying to shoot from a wooden observation platform often outright fails; when there's a bunch of other people trooping across the platform behind me, the wooden surface bounces, and the relatively long-period oscillation defeats the shake reduction. Nothing for it but to wait until they've all passed by and try again. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Graydon wrote: > I've never needed to turn the shake reduction off in the K20D. If I > have the camera on a tripod on a really solid substrate -- bedrock, > concrete footings -- I don't get any benefit from it, but I haven't seen > any harm from it, either. I've just recenty noticed a rather strange phenomenon with my K-7: I usually travel with two tripods. A heavy wooden Berlebach and a simple metal tripod that has the great advantage of being set-up literally within seconds as you only need to push three locking tabs to make each of the legs unfold by spring force. Surprisingly solid and steady, that little thing. Put the K-7 with activated SR and Live View on the small tripod and within seconds the whole combination of camera and tripod will begin to strongly oscillate at around 10 Hertz. Obviously some resonance phenomenon triggered by the SR. Never seen anything like that before. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:00:08AM -0400, P. J. Alling scripsit: > Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, > what with the hardware switch being gone and all... I've never needed to turn the shake reduction off in the K20D. If I have the camera on a tripod on a really solid substrate -- bedrock, concrete footings -- I don't get any benefit from it, but I haven't seen any harm from it, either. Never tried to shoot fast motorsports, but panning to follow flying ducks (~60 mph) doesn't seem to trouble the shake reduction algorithm any. On the other hand, I've had it turn off by accident and regretted that. I suspect deleting the SR switch in the K-7 is an acknowledgement that it's not something you need to turn off very often, and that those occasions where you do turn it off are also those where you're just not in a hurry; the substantial tripod and the really solid substrate don't admit of being in a hurry. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
When I got my K10D I conducted a few experiments, and found that leaving SR enabled while panning was at the worst harmless, and in fact probably helped to smooth out irregularities in the pan. Since then the only time I've turned SR off is when shooting on a tripod (and then only if I remember :-) The physics of the system supports that position, too. The SR system is based on accelerometers. On a smooth hand-held pan (rotating the entire photographer+camera system round a fixed point behind the plane of the sensor, but on the lens axis) there is no acceleration in the plane of the sensor, and so SR will do nothing except smooth out the panning motion. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:40:29AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I pan with the K7. No problems: > http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/08/17/automobiles/collectibles/0817-woodward_8.html > > I also pan with the K20D with SR turned on. It doesn't cause any > problems. The sweeping motion of a pan is far outside the range of > motion that SR tries to control. > Paul > On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:00 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > >> It's funny, I hadn't had a camera with SR until I got the K20D, so I >> didn't notice the removal of the SR switch in the Pictures of the K-7. >> The SR switch is a shooting control. Maybe not as important as manual >> control of the focus point, but until Pentax comes up with an SR system >> that's smart enough to know when the photographer is panning, turning >> it off at a moments notice will be a necessity . >> Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and >> off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same >> thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of >> mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end >> camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot >> camera. >> >> Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, >> what with the hardware switch being gone and all... >> >> Boris Liberman wrote: >>> Here goes; >>> >>> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html >>> >>> Be brutal and honest. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or >> drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is >> certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if >> he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. >> >> --G. K. Chesterton >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Boris Liberman wrote: > Not a clue, Toine. I see what you're asking about but this is the very > first time I get such a strap system. If you ask some time in the > future, I might be able to tell you more though in the manual it is > shown to use the little stripes of leather-like material while attaching > the camera strap. This is what I've done. Looks oddly cool. The only inconvenience I've noticed abut the new strap is that it tends to get a lot more often into the way if the camera is on a tripod, especially in portrait orientation, than it did with the sideways attachments of the earlier models. Other than that no probs with it. As far as the vulnerability of the powder coating on the camera body goes, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that there was something wrong with the coating on my first K-7. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Not a clue, Toine. I see what you're asking about but this is the very first time I get such a strap system. If you ask some time in the future, I might be able to tell you more though in the manual it is shown to use the little stripes of leather-like material while attaching the camera strap. This is what I've done. Looks oddly cool. Boris Toine wrote: Boris, What do you think of the camera strap. My old MX's had those triangle shape camera straps and the black paint vanished quickly due to the silly camera strap system. I don't understand why they implemented this (retro look probably). Toine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
I turn off the SR when panning (when I remember to) and I've read that others do the same. Whether it makes a difference, I've no idea.(?) Jack --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Paul Stenquist wrote: > From: Paul Stenquist > Subject: Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2) > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 7:40 AM > I pan with the K7. No problems: > http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/08/17/automobiles/collectibles/0817-woodward_8.html > > I also pan with the K20D with SR turned on. It doesn't > cause any problems. The sweeping motion of a pan is far > outside the range of motion that SR tries to control. > Paul > On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:00 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > It's funny, I hadn't had a camera with SR until I got > the K20D, so I didn't notice the removal of the SR switch in > the Pictures of the K-7. > > The SR switch is a shooting control. Maybe not as > important as manual control of the focus point, but until > Pentax comes up with an SR system that's smart enough to > know when the photographer is panning, turning it off at a > moments notice will be a necessity . > > Removing the switch and making it a small production > to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and > Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the > focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong > in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it > doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. > > > > Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an > easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and > all... > > > > Boris Liberman wrote: > >> Here goes; > >> > >> http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html > >> > >> Be brutal and honest. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with > either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with > gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he > might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is > not a free man any more than a dog. > > > > --G. K. Chesterton > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
I pan with the K7. No problems: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/08/17/automobiles/collectibles/0817-woodward_8.html I also pan with the K20D with SR turned on. It doesn't cause any problems. The sweeping motion of a pan is far outside the range of motion that SR tries to control. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:00 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: It's funny, I hadn't had a camera with SR until I got the K20D, so I didn't notice the removal of the SR switch in the Pictures of the K-7. The SR switch is a shooting control. Maybe not as important as manual control of the focus point, but until Pentax comes up with an SR system that's smart enough to know when the photographer is panning, turning it off at a moments notice will be a necessity . Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Boris Liberman wrote: Here goes; http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html Be brutal and honest. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Boris, What do you think of the camera strap. My old MX's had those triangle shape camera straps and the black paint vanished quickly due to the silly camera strap system. I don't understand why they implemented this (retro look probably). Toine 2009/8/26 Boris Liberman : > Here goes; > > http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html > > Be brutal and honest. > > -- > Boris > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
In shooting mode, push the INFO button and you have several controls available there, including SR on/off. Not as direct as a hardware switch, but not far from it. Much better than navigating the ever-increasing menus. I forgot to mention that I've disabled the status screen, in order to prevent it from drying the battery for the sake of tanning my face and dazzling my eyes. Another side advantage is that the status screen never comes in between, and pushing INFO goes straight to that useful setting palette (instead of repeating info I alkeady know by the viewfinder and top panel). Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
P. J. Alling wrote: It's funny, I hadn't had a camera with SR until I got the K20D, so I didn't notice the removal of the SR switch in the Pictures of the K-7. The SR switch is a shooting control. Maybe not as important as manual control of the focus point, but until Pentax comes up with an SR system that's smart enough to know when the photographer is panning, turning it off at a moments notice will be a necessity . Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... In shooting mode, push the INFO button and you have several controls available there, including SR on/off. Not as direct as a hardware switch, but not far from it. Much better than navigating the ever-increasing menus. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
It's funny, I hadn't had a camera with SR until I got the K20D, so I didn't notice the removal of the SR switch in the Pictures of the K-7. The SR switch is a shooting control. Maybe not as important as manual control of the focus point, but until Pentax comes up with an SR system that's smart enough to know when the photographer is panning, turning it off at a moments notice will be a necessity . Removing the switch and making it a small production to turn SR on and off shows what I think is a "Point and Shoot" design mentality the same thing that resulted in the focus control debacle, This type of mentality doesn't belong in the design of a relatively high end camera, hell, it doesn't belong in the design of Point an Shoot camera. Unlike the focus point issue it looks like it's not an easy a fix, what with the hardware switch being gone and all... Boris Liberman wrote: Here goes; http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html Be brutal and honest. -- The free man owns himself. He can damage himself with either eating or drinking; he can ruin himself with gambling. If he does he is certainly a damn fool, and he might possibly be a damned soul; but if he may not, he is not a free man any more than a dog. --G. K. Chesterton -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
paul stenquist wrote: > I sold my K10D on ebay about a month ago. I got $400 U.S. Kept the > k20D as my backup. It has less high ISO noise than the K10D in normal > shooting, and with more resolution, a tighter crop is always an option. Unfortunately, the K20D is even more crippled in long-time exposure than the K-7 with firmware 1.01. This is why I've sold my K20D and kept the K10D. BTW, I'm looking for a used *istDS. Mine is developing some sort of galloping dementia and I still want to keep one for infrared. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
I sold my K10D on ebay about a month ago. I got $400 U.S. Kept the k20D as my backup. It has less high ISO noise than the K10D in normal shooting, and with more resolution, a tighter crop is always an option. Paul On Aug 27, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: Charles, I think that if you have a good copy of K10D it would be a mistake to sell it. I for one, am going to keep my K10D for as long as it lasts. I second that. Pentax have made a terrible mess of their formerly excellent customer service, so a second body to keep you going while your main camera is away for repair much longer than what we all were used to seems like a good idea. Besides, the K10D is Pentax' last camera that's fully usable for photographing lightining, fireworks, astro or other long-time exposures without having the camera blocked half of the time while it's doing its dark frame. I've kept mine. Not lastly because there's a marked increase of used K20D on the market now and prices for the K10D are so low that it doesn't make sense to sell them. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Boris Liberman wrote: > Charles, I think that if you have a good copy of K10D it would be a > mistake to sell it. I for one, am going to keep my K10D for as long as > it lasts. I second that. Pentax have made a terrible mess of their formerly excellent customer service, so a second body to keep you going while your main camera is away for repair much longer than what we all were used to seems like a good idea. Besides, the K10D is Pentax' last camera that's fully usable for photographing lightining, fireworks, astro or other long-time exposures without having the camera blocked half of the time while it's doing its dark frame. I've kept mine. Not lastly because there's a marked increase of used K20D on the market now and prices for the K10D are so low that it doesn't make sense to sell them. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Charles Robinson wrote: "Additionally, the LV button is placed in such a way that it is quite easy to click it when moving your finger so as to change AF mode. Certain additional care is in order." I had a problem with this when the "viral tour" came through Minneapolis. I kept hitting the LV button accidentally. If I end up getting the K7, I'd probably best sell the K10D. I'm not sure I'd ever be able to train my brain to flip back and forth between the two cameras and get all the buttons right! -Charles Charles, I think that if you have a good copy of K10D it would be a mistake to sell it. I for one, am going to keep my K10D for as long as it lasts. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
On Aug 26, 2009, at 14:23, Boris Liberman wrote: Here goes; http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html Be brutal and honest. "Additionally, the LV button is placed in such a way that it is quite easy to click it when moving your finger so as to change AF mode. Certain additional care is in order." I had a problem with this when the "viral tour" came through Minneapolis. I kept hitting the LV button accidentally. If I end up getting the K7, I'd probably best sell the K10D. I'm not sure I'd ever be able to train my brain to flip back and forth between the two cameras and get all the buttons right! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Boris reviews Pentax K-7 (part 2)
Here goes; http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/08/pentax-k-7-review-part-2.html Be brutal and honest. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
