Re: CMOS sensor for MF
Ricoh may want to stay in that business, but the 645D needed a refresh two years ago, so the question is will it be viable for them. On 1/21/2014 10:46 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh want to stay in that business (and I understand they want), they have to keep on pace. 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor suitable for them, Pentax can have it too. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
Paul via phone > On Jan 21, 2014, at 8:51 PM, John wrote: > > OTOH, they do have Pentax DSLRs that they apparently don't care about > keeping up with the competition, so why should they see MF digital any > differently? > Pentax has kept up quite well in APS-C. Obviously they've chosen not to play in the 24x36 arena, so "keeping up" is irrelevant. They haven't kept up in pro video either. >> On 1/21/2014 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >> John, >> Ricoh CURRENTLY HAS a Pentax MF digital system to keep updated with >> competition. >> That does not apply to FF. >> >> Dario >> >> -Messaggio originale- From: John >> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF >> >> Both arguments apply equally well to why Ricoh should be bringing out a >> full-frame Pentax DSLR. Do you see that on the horizon as well? >> >>> On 1/21/2014 10:46 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >>> Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: >>> >>> 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh >>> want to stay in that business (and I understand they want), they >>> have to keep on pace. 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor >>> suitable for them, Pentax can have it too. >>> >>> Dario >>> >>> -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, >>> 2014 4:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor >>> for MF >>> >>>> On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >>>> Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring >>>> CMOS sensor technology: >>>> http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx >> Dario >>> >>> That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how >>> Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
In what way is the K-3 not keeping up with state-of-the-art APS-C DSLRs? In fact I think it's a category leader presently. And the other current models: pretty much the same story in each of their respective categories. The only category where Pentax isn't keeping up is FF, which is a mythical one only kept alive by the whinging fanboy base. On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:51 PM, John wrote: > OTOH, they do have Pentax DSLRs that they apparently don't care about > keeping up with the competition, so why should they see MF digital any > differently? > > > On 1/21/2014 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >> >> John, >> Ricoh CURRENTLY HAS a Pentax MF digital system to keep updated with >> competition. >> That does not apply to FF. >> >> Dario >> >> -Messaggio originale- From: John >> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF >> >> Both arguments apply equally well to why Ricoh should be bringing out a >> full-frame Pentax DSLR. Do you see that on the horizon as well? >> >> On 1/21/2014 10:46 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >>> >>> Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: >>> >>> 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh >>> want to stay in that business (and I understand they want), they >>> have to keep on pace. 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor >>> suitable for them, Pentax can have it too. >>> >>> Dario >>> >>> -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, >>> 2014 4:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor >>> for MF >>> >>> On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >>>> >>>> Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring >>>> CMOS sensor technology: >>>> http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Dario >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how >>> Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? >>> >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
OTOH, they do have Pentax DSLRs that they apparently don't care about keeping up with the competition, so why should they see MF digital any differently? On 1/21/2014 5:02 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: John, Ricoh CURRENTLY HAS a Pentax MF digital system to keep updated with competition. That does not apply to FF. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF Both arguments apply equally well to why Ricoh should be bringing out a full-frame Pentax DSLR. Do you see that on the horizon as well? On 1/21/2014 10:46 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh want to stay in that business (and I understand they want), they have to keep on pace. 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor suitable for them, Pentax can have it too. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
John, Ricoh CURRENTLY HAS a Pentax MF digital system to keep updated with competition. That does not apply to FF. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:58 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF Both arguments apply equally well to why Ricoh should be bringing out a full-frame Pentax DSLR. Do you see that on the horizon as well? On 1/21/2014 10:46 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh want to stay in that business (and I understand they want), they have to keep on pace. 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor suitable for them, Pentax can have it too. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3462 / Database dei virus: 3681/7022 - Data di rilascio: 21/01/2014 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
Both arguments apply equally well to why Ricoh should be bringing out a full-frame Pentax DSLR. Do you see that on the horizon as well? On 1/21/2014 10:46 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh want to stay in that business (and I understand they want), they have to keep on pace. 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor suitable for them, Pentax can have it too. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? Competition ? Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "John" Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
In thinking about it, another interesting part of the MF sensor company being SONY is that there have been no rumors of Sony-branded cameras in the MF space (at least to this point). With their other sensor sizes, there is a bit of a conflict of interest: Use it in a Sony-branded camera and give it a lead time in the marketplace before allowing other companies to put the sensors in their cameras. But if Sony has "no dog in this fight" (if you will pardon the expression) then it is in Sony's interests to sell as many as they can produce. It is doubtful, in my mind, that any one company (like Hasselblad) could dictate terms that would keep other manufacturers from getting their share of the sensors they produce. If that is true, the question is whether Ricoh will be different from Hoya when it comes to paying the price for a first generation product rather than wait for the component price to come down. I don't think there is any question that a 645D II will be coming out sometime in 2014. I think putting a CMOS in makes sense, but I'm wondering if it can be done at the original price point of the 645D (which was $9995, if memory serves). On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > The line between the dots (that Dario is connecting) is that the > manufacturer that is making the CMOS sensor to be used in the > Hasselblad is SONY. That is not insignificant. > http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/126702-hasselblad-reveals-first-medium-format-cmos-sensor-opening-the-door-for-other-photography-brands > > While every company wants to make a profit on everything that they > make, the camera body is (in essence) the razor that can be given away > at cost in order to sell the razor blades (lenses, grips, flashes, and > other accessories). If there are no bodies there is no demand for > those. It also provides a "bragging rights" territory. If Pentax comes > out with a camera that closely matches the functionality of the > Hasselblad at a fraction of the price, then we are back to occupying > the same territory that made the Pentax 67 and 645/645n such popular > cameras with the medium format demographic. > > It is worth remembering that the new PRIME III (Fujitsu image > processor) has the capabilities to handle the input from a medium > format sensor. And a CMOS would have video capabilities, meaning a > whole new video market for Pentax 645 lenses. Add in the other things > that Pentax has learned from the K-3 line (and before) and you have > the potential for a separate processor to help with exposure and white > balance, improved AF performance, and perhaps even the adjustable AA > of the K-3 (or no AA at all, like the K-5 IIs). > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Dario Bonazza > wrote: >> Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: >> >> 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh want to >> stay in that business (and I understand they want), they have to keep on >> pace. >> 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor suitable for them, Pentax can have >> it too. >> >> Dario >> >> -Messaggio originale- From: John >> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:42 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF >> >> >> On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >>> >>> Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS >>> sensor technology: >>> http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx >>> >>> Dario >>> >> >> That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how >> Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> >> - >> Nessun virus nel messaggio. >> Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com >> Versione: 2013.0.3462 / Database dei virus: 3681/7020 - Data di rilascio: >> 20/01/2014 >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > > -- > Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs > look like photographs. > ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
The line between the dots (that Dario is connecting) is that the manufacturer that is making the CMOS sensor to be used in the Hasselblad is SONY. That is not insignificant. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/126702-hasselblad-reveals-first-medium-format-cmos-sensor-opening-the-door-for-other-photography-brands While every company wants to make a profit on everything that they make, the camera body is (in essence) the razor that can be given away at cost in order to sell the razor blades (lenses, grips, flashes, and other accessories). If there are no bodies there is no demand for those. It also provides a "bragging rights" territory. If Pentax comes out with a camera that closely matches the functionality of the Hasselblad at a fraction of the price, then we are back to occupying the same territory that made the Pentax 67 and 645/645n such popular cameras with the medium format demographic. It is worth remembering that the new PRIME III (Fujitsu image processor) has the capabilities to handle the input from a medium format sensor. And a CMOS would have video capabilities, meaning a whole new video market for Pentax 645 lenses. Add in the other things that Pentax has learned from the K-3 line (and before) and you have the potential for a separate processor to help with exposure and white balance, improved AF performance, and perhaps even the adjustable AA of the K-3 (or no AA at all, like the K-5 IIs). On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: > Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: > > 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh want to > stay in that business (and I understand they want), they have to keep on > pace. > 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor suitable for them, Pentax can have > it too. > > Dario > > -Messaggio originale- From: John > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:42 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF > > > On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: >> >> Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS >> sensor technology: >> http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx >> >> Dario >> > > That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how > Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > > - > Nessun virus nel messaggio. > Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com > Versione: 2013.0.3462 / Database dei virus: 3681/7020 - Data di rilascio: > 20/01/2014 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Photographers must learn not to be ashamed to have their photographs look like photographs. ~ Alfred Stieglitz -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: CMOS sensor for MF
Nothing for granted, of course. I wrote that just because: 1 - A new CMOS sensor means a new generation of MF cameras. If Ricoh want to stay in that business (and I understand they want), they have to keep on pace. 2 - If Hasselblad now has a CMOS sensor suitable for them, Pentax can have it too. Dario -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: CMOS sensor for MF On 1/21/2014 9:21 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario That's interesting, but someone is going to have to explain how Hasselblad's new sensor means anything about the 645D? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3462 / Database dei virus: 3681/7020 - Data di rilascio: 20/01/2014 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
CMOS sensor for MF
Looks like we'll see an updated 645D sooner or later, featuring CMOS sensor technology: http://press.hasselblad.com/press-releases/2014/2014-01-21_h5d-50c.aspx Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
