Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
In this case it was advertised as used LN- condition. On 2/2/2016 4:13 PM, Ken Waller wrote: IIRC, I've seen gear advertised as 'new' being sold @ KEH. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "P.J. Alling" Subject: Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF On 2/2/2016 12:40 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: "Collin B" wrote: We all spend what we may spend on camera gear and that can be different for each. I was hoping to say that buying used saves us money, but does that equal helping Pentax? What if most of used Pentax gear is sold to fund switch to other brands? Then used purchases do not help Pentax and money is funneled to Pentax competition instead. Kim It does help, though indirectly. By raising the value (both price and desirability) of use equipment the prices (and income generated from) new equipment help the company. Scarcity raises prices. It's that old supply-demand question. And it works. In other words: Demand for used gear drives up the prices of used gear. Which in turn makes the purchase of new gear a relatively smaller step up, economically. If a particular new lens costs $1000 and the used equivalent costs $500 then buying used is an very attractive choice. But if the used price climbs closer toward $1000 the option of buying the new product looks more attractive. KEH often sells a used lens or camera for prices often higher than the same item at a large not always discount retailer. For example just a month ago the Pentax DA 17-70 was selling used at KEH for $289.00, about $10.00 less than B&H had it new, while Adorama was selling it for 259.00 and throwing in a two year extended warranty. If I hadn't been tapped out from Christmas buying, I'd have jumped at the Adorama offer. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
IIRC, I've seen gear advertised as 'new' being sold @ KEH. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "P.J. Alling" Subject: Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF On 2/2/2016 12:40 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: "Collin B" wrote: We all spend what we may spend on camera gear and that can be different for each. I was hoping to say that buying used saves us money, but does that equal helping Pentax? What if most of used Pentax gear is sold to fund switch to other brands? Then used purchases do not help Pentax and money is funneled to Pentax competition instead. Kim It does help, though indirectly. By raising the value (both price and desirability) of use equipment the prices (and income generated from) new equipment help the company. Scarcity raises prices. It's that old supply-demand question. And it works. In other words: Demand for used gear drives up the prices of used gear. Which in turn makes the purchase of new gear a relatively smaller step up, economically. If a particular new lens costs $1000 and the used equivalent costs $500 then buying used is an very attractive choice. But if the used price climbs closer toward $1000 the option of buying the new product looks more attractive. KEH often sells a used lens or camera for prices often higher than the same item at a large not always discount retailer. For example just a month ago the Pentax DA 17-70 was selling used at KEH for $289.00, about $10.00 less than B&H had it new, while Adorama was selling it for 259.00 and throwing in a two year extended warranty. If I hadn't been tapped out from Christmas buying, I'd have jumped at the Adorama offer. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
Kim Tang wrote: > > >> In other words: Demand for used gear drives up the prices of used >> gear. Which in turn makes the purchase of new gear a relatively >> smaller step up, economically. > >> If a particular new lens costs $1000 and the used equivalent costs >> $500 then buying used is an very attractive choice. But if the used >> price climbs closer toward $1000 the option of buying the new product >> looks more attractive. > >Respectfully. In above example, how many used lens purchases might it take >to inflate the price to that point where new one appears like a better deal? >If I attempt to sell a newly purchased used lens at a high price when it >is worth more, then new one looks good. Three years down the road, when >used price falls, now people more likely buy used. How help manufacturer now? > >There was mention of indirect effect of used gear market. What about direct >effect of purchasing new gear? Which has larger impact? Sounds like a research project for a master's thesis in economics! Have at it! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> In other words: Demand for used gear drives up the prices of used > gear. Which in turn makes the purchase of new gear a relatively > smaller step up, economically. > If a particular new lens costs $1000 and the used equivalent costs > $500 then buying used is an very attractive choice. But if the used > price climbs closer toward $1000 the option of buying the new product > looks more attractive. Respectfully. In above example, how many used lens purchases might it take to inflate the price to that point where new one appears like a better deal? If I attempt to sell a newly purchased used lens at a high price when it is worth more, then new one looks good. Three years down the road, when used price falls, now people more likely buy used. How help manufacturer now? There was mention of indirect effect of used gear market. What about direct effect of purchasing new gear? Which has larger impact? Kim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/2/2016 12:40 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: "Collin B" wrote: We all spend what we may spend on camera gear and that can be different for each. I was hoping to say that buying used saves us money, but does that equal helping Pentax? What if most of used Pentax gear is sold to fund switch to other brands? Then used purchases do not help Pentax and money is funneled to Pentax competition instead. Kim It does help, though indirectly. By raising the value (both price and desirability) of use equipment the prices (and income generated from) new equipment help the company. Scarcity raises prices. It's that old supply-demand question. And it works. In other words: Demand for used gear drives up the prices of used gear. Which in turn makes the purchase of new gear a relatively smaller step up, economically. If a particular new lens costs $1000 and the used equivalent costs $500 then buying used is an very attractive choice. But if the used price climbs closer toward $1000 the option of buying the new product looks more attractive. KEH often sells a used lens or camera for prices often higher than the same item at a large not always discount retailer. For example just a month ago the Pentax DA 17-70 was selling used at KEH for $289.00, about $10.00 less than B&H had it new, while Adorama was selling it for 259.00 and throwing in a two year extended warranty. If I hadn't been tapped out from Christmas buying, I'd have jumped at the Adorama offer. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
"Collin B" wrote: >>We all spend what we may spend on camera gear and that can be different for >each. I was hoping to say >>that buying used saves us money, but does that equal helping Pentax? What >if most of used Pentax gear is >>sold to fund switch to other brands? Then used purchases do not help Pentax >and money is funneled to >>Pentax competition instead. >> >>Kim > >It does help, though indirectly. By raising the value (both price and >desirability) of use equipment the prices (and income generated from) new >equipment help the company. >Scarcity raises prices. It's that old supply-demand question. And it >works. In other words: Demand for used gear drives up the prices of used gear. Which in turn makes the purchase of new gear a relatively smaller step up, economically. If a particular new lens costs $1000 and the used equivalent costs $500 then buying used is an very attractive choice. But if the used price climbs closer toward $1000 the option of buying the new product looks more attractive. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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>We all spend what we may spend on camera gear and that can be different for each. I was hoping to say >that buying used saves us money, but does that equal helping Pentax? What if most of used Pentax gear is >sold to fund switch to other brands? Then used purchases do not help Pentax and money is funneled to >Pentax competition instead. > >Kim It does help, though indirectly. By raising the value (both price and desirability) of use equipment the prices (and income generated from) new equipment help the company. Scarcity raises prices. It's that old supply-demand question. And it works. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> I just checked my junk folder on Gmail and poor Kim had three emails one > of which was a reply to one of my threads. I hope he didn't think I was > being a dick and was just ignoring him. Dear PJ, No I did not think you resembled a certain male body part or private detective. Thank you though. We all spend what we may spend on camera gear and that can be different for each. I was hoping to say that buying used saves us money, but does that equal helping Pentax? What if most of used Pentax gear is sold to fund switch to other brands? Then used purchases do not help Pentax and money is funneled to Pentax competition instead. Kim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 2:47 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > If it was just the PDML that would be a fix. It happens with more than just > the list. ...which is why I proposed a trivial filter condition, like "size greater than 1 byte". -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If it was just the PDML that would be a fix. It happens with more than just the list. On 2/1/2016 12:01 PM, Paul wrote: This on seems to work for me... Matches: list:(pdml.pdml.net) Do this: Never send it to Spam -p On 1/31/2016 5:37 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:21 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: I wish I could somehow turn gmail's spam filtering off, Firefox does a pretty good job of rerouting spam, to it's spam folder, it's much more convenient, and it actually learns what I consider to be spam. What if you create a filter with a trivial condition (like "Larger than 1 byte" or "Does not contain 'sdhadljfh348hfhsdlfjh4h237') with the action "Never send it to Spam"? -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A strong secondary market is good for Ricoh, (nee Pentax), true they would prefer everyone buy new products, but older products that stand the test of time, are good advertising, (not that Pentax is known to have much of an advertising footprint these days), and if a user upgrades and finances that upgrade by selling older equipment, that benefits the company as well. Once someone is locked into the a system it becomes just that much more difficult to switch. On 2/1/2016 12:44 PM, John wrote: 100% of anything I buy used does not go towards the purchase of new gear from Pentax. But what's best for Pentax isn't always what's best for me. During the last decade or so, Pentax hasn't always made the lenses I want available, so buying used or buying from a third party lens manufacturer has been my only option. On 1/31/2016 11:55 PM, Kim Tang wrote: I agree. Much of what you say maybe be true. But must ask. Some percent of used sales not going to fund purchase of brand new equipment from Pentax. Do you agree? Some is simply selling to bring dollars. Others could be to fund purchase of non-Pentax gear. So if majority of people follow in same, then Pentax sells less new items at highest profit margin. The best thing for Pentax is if users consistently upgrade and purchase largely new Pentax items. Kim -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
100% of anything I buy used does not go towards the purchase of new gear from Pentax. But what's best for Pentax isn't always what's best for me. During the last decade or so, Pentax hasn't always made the lenses I want available, so buying used or buying from a third party lens manufacturer has been my only option. On 1/31/2016 11:55 PM, Kim Tang wrote: I agree. Much of what you say maybe be true. But must ask. Some percent of used sales not going to fund purchase of brand new equipment from Pentax. Do you agree? Some is simply selling to bring dollars. Others could be to fund purchase of non-Pentax gear. So if majority of people follow in same, then Pentax sells less new items at highest profit margin. The best thing for Pentax is if users consistently upgrade and purchase largely new Pentax items. Kim -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This on seems to work for me... Matches: list:(pdml.pdml.net) Do this: Never send it to Spam -p On 1/31/2016 5:37 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:21 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: I wish I could somehow turn gmail's spam filtering off, Firefox does a pretty good job of rerouting spam, to it's spam folder, it's much more convenient, and it actually learns what I consider to be spam. What if you create a filter with a trivial condition (like "Larger than 1 byte" or "Does not contain 'sdhadljfh348hfhsdlfjh4h237') with the action "Never send it to Spam"? -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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found Kim's email in my gmail spam folder, appears they yahoo mail did not met some sort of criteria on gmail. Dave On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 10:37 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: > I decided against that. > > Really, I know the experience I want from e-mail, and the one Google > provides isn't it. > > The fact that they allow me to use it the way I want to, even though it > probably hurts their bottom line, makes them tolerable. > > > On 2/1/2016 3:35 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: >> >> You can always access Gmail via imap then you can manage the folders >> from within Thunderbird? >> >> On 1 February 2016 at 10:21, P.J. Alling >> wrote: >>> >>> Think of how I feel, I log into gmail through their pop interface. I >>> never >>> see my spam folder unless I log into gmail's web interface, a procedure I >>> avoid like I would a bill collect from the mob. >>> >>> I wish I could somehow turn gmail's spam filtering off, Firefox does a >>> pretty good job of rerouting spam, to it's spam folder, it's much more >>> convenient, and it actually learns what I consider to be spam. >>> >>> >>> On 1/31/2016 4:57 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thanks Matthew & John. Should have occurred to me to look there, particularly once it showed up on the PDML Archive. :\ It was there with this reason: "Why is this message in Spam? It has a from address in yahoo.com but has failed yahoo.com's required tests for authentication." No idea why that happened. I hate the idea of looking into subfolders. I'm not that anal about organizing emails, and I hate the one more click to see a new PDML email (vs anything else in my Inbox). Real stuff getting into SPAM folder are rare for me, ordinarily. Anyway, thanks. Mystery solved. On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:37 PM, John wrote: > > You're on Gmail. Have you checked your "junk" folder? > > From what I've read here before that's the first place you should > look > if you're not seeing some of the list messages. > > On 1/31/2016 4:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters >> >> wrote: >>> >>> I saw it on the list. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Brian >> >> >> It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my >> email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could >> see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the >> message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and >> why. >> > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. >>> >>> -- >>> I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve >>> immortality through not dying. >>> -- Woody Allen >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> > > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I decided against that. Really, I know the experience I want from e-mail, and the one Google provides isn't it. The fact that they allow me to use it the way I want to, even though it probably hurts their bottom line, makes them tolerable. On 2/1/2016 3:35 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: You can always access Gmail via imap then you can manage the folders from within Thunderbird? On 1 February 2016 at 10:21, P.J. Alling wrote: Think of how I feel, I log into gmail through their pop interface. I never see my spam folder unless I log into gmail's web interface, a procedure I avoid like I would a bill collect from the mob. I wish I could somehow turn gmail's spam filtering off, Firefox does a pretty good job of rerouting spam, to it's spam folder, it's much more convenient, and it actually learns what I consider to be spam. On 1/31/2016 4:57 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thanks Matthew & John. Should have occurred to me to look there, particularly once it showed up on the PDML Archive. :\ It was there with this reason: "Why is this message in Spam? It has a from address in yahoo.com but has failed yahoo.com's required tests for authentication." No idea why that happened. I hate the idea of looking into subfolders. I'm not that anal about organizing emails, and I hate the one more click to see a new PDML email (vs anything else in my Inbox). Real stuff getting into SPAM folder are rare for me, ordinarily. Anyway, thanks. Mystery solved. On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:37 PM, John wrote: You're on Gmail. Have you checked your "junk" folder? From what I've read here before that's the first place you should look if you're not seeing some of the list messages. On 1/31/2016 4:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters wrote: I saw it on the list. Cheers Brian It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and why. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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El 01/02/2016 a las 9:35, Rob Studdert escribió: You can always access Gmail via imap then you can manage the folders from within Thunderbird? That's the way I do. I have 2 Gmail accounts, and manage them using Thunderbird, one using IMAP and other POP, and it works quite well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You can always access Gmail via imap then you can manage the folders from within Thunderbird? On 1 February 2016 at 10:21, P.J. Alling wrote: > Think of how I feel, I log into gmail through their pop interface. I never > see my spam folder unless I log into gmail's web interface, a procedure I > avoid like I would a bill collect from the mob. > > I wish I could somehow turn gmail's spam filtering off, Firefox does a > pretty good job of rerouting spam, to it's spam folder, it's much more > convenient, and it actually learns what I consider to be spam. > > > On 1/31/2016 4:57 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >> >> Thanks Matthew & John. Should have occurred to me to look there, >> particularly once it showed up on the PDML Archive. >> :\ >> >> It was there with this reason: "Why is this message in Spam? It has a >> from address in yahoo.com but has failed yahoo.com's required tests >> for authentication." No idea why that happened. I hate the idea of >> looking into subfolders. I'm not that anal about organizing emails, >> and I hate the one more click to see a new PDML email (vs anything >> else in my Inbox). Real stuff getting into SPAM folder are rare for >> me, ordinarily. >> >> Anyway, thanks. Mystery solved. >> >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:37 PM, John wrote: >>> >>> You're on Gmail. Have you checked your "junk" folder? >>> >>> From what I've read here before that's the first place you should look >>> if you're not seeing some of the list messages. >>> >>> On 1/31/2016 4:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > > I saw it on the list. > > Cheers > > Brian It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and why. >>> -- >>> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >>> Religion - Answers we must never question. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> >> >> > > > -- > I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve > immortality through not dying. > -- Woody Allen > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
I agree. Much of what you say maybe be true. But must ask. Some percent of used sales not going to fund purchase of brand new equipment from Pentax. Do you agree? Some is simply selling to bring dollars. Others could be to fund purchase of non-Pentax gear. So if majority of people follow in same, then Pentax sells less new items at highest profit margin. The best thing for Pentax is if users consistently upgrade and purchase largely new Pentax items. Kim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kim wrote: Good idea, but don't this hurt Pentax in the long run? Kim, I don't quite understand what you mean by "hurting Pentax in the long run"? In a sense, buying any used lens is less profitable for the company than if one purchased a new lens (which then causes the retailer to purchase more new lenses for their stock). Economies seem to work even with used items on the market, because some people will sell their used stuff in order to fund their purchase of new items. So your purchase of the used item *indirectly* helps the company sell the new item. Not everybody, for a variety of reasons, wants to purchase new things. Perhaps they can't afford them; perhaps they hate the idea of losing value through depreciation the moment that item is used; perhaps they are most interested in "bang for the buck". I'm a "bang for the buck" guy. I still have never purchased a new Pentax lens. But Pentax has made plenty of money off of me because I'm now on my 6th different Pentax body (all of which were purchased new). Pentax has (apparently) long ago fixed the SDM problem by using better components, But that doesn't mean that there aren't (literally uncountable numbers of) lenses out there with the old components that still may fail. It is each failure, which causes dismay to the owner that hurts Pentax, because each time somebody complains on some forum about it, it gives the impression that the problem still exists in SDM products being made today. That's what hurts Pentax, in the long run and in the short run. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/31/2016 6:37 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:21 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: I wish I could somehow turn gmail's spam filtering off, Firefox does a pretty good job of rerouting spam, to it's spam folder, it's much more convenient, and it actually learns what I consider to be spam. What if you create a filter with a trivial condition (like "Larger than 1 byte" or "Does not contain 'sdhadljfh348hfhsdlfjh4h237') with the action "Never send it to Spam"? Do a filter for if "List-ID" is "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" then "Never send to SPAM" -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:48 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > That's the problem with gmail, I believe that it's spam filtering takes > place before user designed filters. Like I said, there's a filter option "Never send it to Spam". It does what it says. It kept Kim's email from going to Spam for me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just checked my junk folder on Gmail and poor Kim had three emails one of which was a reply to one of my threads. I hope he didn't think I was being a dick and was just ignoring him. To clarify, you all know I can be a dick, but that's usually not because I ignore you. On 1/31/2016 4:57 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thanks Matthew & John. Should have occurred to me to look there, particularly once it showed up on the PDML Archive. :\ It was there with this reason: "Why is this message in Spam? It has a from address in yahoo.com but has failed yahoo.com's required tests for authentication." No idea why that happened. I hate the idea of looking into subfolders. I'm not that anal about organizing emails, and I hate the one more click to see a new PDML email (vs anything else in my Inbox). Real stuff getting into SPAM folder are rare for me, ordinarily. Anyway, thanks. Mystery solved. On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:37 PM, John wrote: You're on Gmail. Have you checked your "junk" folder? From what I've read here before that's the first place you should look if you're not seeing some of the list messages. On 1/31/2016 4:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters wrote: I saw it on the list. Cheers Brian It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and why. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
That's the problem with gmail, I believe that it's spam filtering takes place before user designed filters. Thunderbird, (I called it Firefox, my bad), has an adaptive spam filter. If something isn't labeled as junk, and I think it is, I just mark it as junk and vice-versa, and it remembers. I not sure if it's using heuristics or not, but it probably is. It got to the point BG, (before Gmail), that it seldom made a mistake, but it was easily corrected. Just now I had to visit my gmail account, through the web interface, to get messages from Kim Tang out of purgatory, and there's no guarantee that it won't happen again. On 1/31/2016 6:37 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:21 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: I wish I could somehow turn gmail's spam filtering off, Firefox does a pretty good job of rerouting spam, to it's spam folder, it's much more convenient, and it actually learns what I consider to be spam. What if you create a filter with a trivial condition (like "Larger than 1 byte" or "Does not contain 'sdhadljfh348hfhsdlfjh4h237') with the action "Never send it to Spam"? -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:21 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: > I wish I could somehow turn gmail's spam filtering off, Firefox does a > pretty good job of rerouting spam, to it's spam folder, it's much more > convenient, and it actually learns what I consider to be spam. What if you create a filter with a trivial condition (like "Larger than 1 byte" or "Does not contain 'sdhadljfh348hfhsdlfjh4h237') with the action "Never send it to Spam"? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
Think of how I feel, I log into gmail through their pop interface. I never see my spam folder unless I log into gmail's web interface, a procedure I avoid like I would a bill collect from the mob. I wish I could somehow turn gmail's spam filtering off, Firefox does a pretty good job of rerouting spam, to it's spam folder, it's much more convenient, and it actually learns what I consider to be spam. On 1/31/2016 4:57 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Thanks Matthew & John. Should have occurred to me to look there, particularly once it showed up on the PDML Archive. :\ It was there with this reason: "Why is this message in Spam? It has a from address in yahoo.com but has failed yahoo.com's required tests for authentication." No idea why that happened. I hate the idea of looking into subfolders. I'm not that anal about organizing emails, and I hate the one more click to see a new PDML email (vs anything else in my Inbox). Real stuff getting into SPAM folder are rare for me, ordinarily. Anyway, thanks. Mystery solved. On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:37 PM, John wrote: You're on Gmail. Have you checked your "junk" folder? From what I've read here before that's the first place you should look if you're not seeing some of the list messages. On 1/31/2016 4:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters wrote: I saw it on the list. Cheers Brian It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and why. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
It might be in your spam folder, and there do exist email servers that eat suspected spam and don't report it. I know that smashes e-mail protocols all to hell, but that doesn't stop it from happening. If such an e-mail was routed through such a server on it's way to you, then you'd never see it. On 1/31/2016 4:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters wrote: I saw it on the list. Cheers Brian It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and why. -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
Good idea, but don't this hurt Pentax in the long run? Kim > If you are wanting a great lens optically and don't mind the > screwmount AF, this might open up a pathway to potential bargains - > buying a lens discounted because the SDM is not working & just > planning on doing the conversion before you use it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
Thanks Matthew & John. Should have occurred to me to look there, particularly once it showed up on the PDML Archive. :\ It was there with this reason: "Why is this message in Spam? It has a from address in yahoo.com but has failed yahoo.com's required tests for authentication." No idea why that happened. I hate the idea of looking into subfolders. I'm not that anal about organizing emails, and I hate the one more click to see a new PDML email (vs anything else in my Inbox). Real stuff getting into SPAM folder are rare for me, ordinarily. Anyway, thanks. Mystery solved. On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 3:37 PM, John wrote: > You're on Gmail. Have you checked your "junk" folder? > > From what I've read here before that's the first place you should look > if you're not seeing some of the list messages. > > On 1/31/2016 4:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >> >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters >> wrote: >>> >>> I saw it on the list. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Brian >> >> >> It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my >> email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could >> see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the >> message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and >> why. >> > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
You're on Gmail. Have you checked your "junk" folder? From what I've read here before that's the first place you should look if you're not seeing some of the list messages. On 1/31/2016 4:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters wrote: I saw it on the list. Cheers Brian It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and why. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
I use Gmail, and Kim's message showed up in my PDML folder, with a notice: "This message was not sent to Spam because of a filter you created." I have a filter that prevents PDML email from going to Spam. I created it a while ago, when several members' emails were all going to Spam. On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters wrote: >> I saw it on the list. >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian > > It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my > email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could > see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the > message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and > why. > > -- > “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” > ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > I saw it on the list. > > Cheers > > Brian It is now showing up in the PDML archive, but I haven't seen in in my email yet. So, as an I.T. guy, I'm interested in how some people could see this on the list and some people (like me) would NOT see the message. Makes me wonder how many other messages I'm don't get and why. -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
Good idea, but don't this hurt Pentax in the long run? Kim > If you are wanting a great lens optically and don't mind the > screwmount AF, this might open up a pathway to potential bargains - > buying a lens discounted because the SDM is not working & just > planning on doing the conversion before you use it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
I saw it on the list. Cheers Brian On Mon, Feb 1, 2016, at 07:40 AM, Darren Addy wrote: > Where did this reply from Kim Tang come from? > I didn't receive it and it isn't showing up in the PDML archives. > https://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/ > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:20 PM, John wrote: > > Probably not as much as the problems with SDM lenses did. > > > > On 1/31/2016 1:41 PM, Kim Tang wrote: > >> > >> Good idea, but don't this hurt Pentax in the long run? > >> > >> Kim > >> > >>> If you are wanting a great lens optically and don't mind the > >>> screwmount AF, this might open up a pathway to potential bargains - > >>> buying a lens discounted because the SDM is not working & just > >>> planning on doing the conversion before you use it. > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > > -- > “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” > ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -- -- http://www.fastmail.com - Access your email from home and the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
Where did this reply from Kim Tang come from? I didn't receive it and it isn't showing up in the PDML archives. https://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/ On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 2:20 PM, John wrote: > Probably not as much as the problems with SDM lenses did. > > On 1/31/2016 1:41 PM, Kim Tang wrote: >> >> Good idea, but don't this hurt Pentax in the long run? >> >> Kim >> >>> If you are wanting a great lens optically and don't mind the >>> screwmount AF, this might open up a pathway to potential bargains - >>> buying a lens discounted because the SDM is not working & just >>> planning on doing the conversion before you use it. >> >> > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
Probably not as much as the problems with SDM lenses did. On 1/31/2016 1:41 PM, Kim Tang wrote: Good idea, but don't this hurt Pentax in the long run? Kim If you are wanting a great lens optically and don't mind the screwmount AF, this might open up a pathway to potential bargains - buying a lens discounted because the SDM is not working & just planning on doing the conversion before you use it. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Converting bad SDM to screw drive AF
Most are probably aware, but I wanted to remind everyone that a bad SDM does not make a lens worthless. Besides getting the SDM repaired, you can also convert the lens to a regular screw drive AF. Most who have experience with a converted SDM lens say that it actually focuses slightly faster than SDM, although it is noisier. Googling it will show you guides for how to DIY, but you can also pay someone else to do it for a fairly nominal fee ($25) such as this guy: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/24-photographic-equipment-sale/311609-sale-sdm-screwdrive-conversions.html He currently offers conversions on the DA* 16-50mm DA* 50-135mm DA* 200mm Apparently the DA* 60-250mm is more problematic to convert. If you are wanting a great lens optically and don't mind the screwmount AF, this might open up a pathway to potential bargains - buying a lens discounted because the SDM is not working & just planning on doing the conversion before you use it. -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
