Flash Meter experiment
I did some art nudes with a friend last night using my studio flash gear. As an experiment, I pulled out the flash meter and when I'd get my lighting dialed in, I'd take a picture of the flash meter and a grey card. As far as I can tell, the way it works is to fire the strobe. the f/stop that it reads on the meter is the correct aperture for ASA 50 film. Point the arrow on the dial at that aperture, then look at what aperture lines up with the ISO, and that's the supposed correct exposure. I will say that it never completely blew the exposure, but it was pretty consistently different from the exposure that I ended up using, about a stop or so under. In other words plenty of safe headroom for something really bright in the picture, but not maximizing the SNR on low key digital photos. Shooting at ISO 80 on the K-5, I think that I could feel confident that if I used the flash meter, and didn't check the histogram, I would almost never blow a shot. I am coming to the conclusion that it is a valuable tool to know how to use, that there are situations that it can prove invaluable, but likewise, the histogram is also a valuable tool, and I'd be foolish to rely on the flash meter and ignore the histogram, if the histogram were available. For those that would like to check for themselves, fluidr shows the exif data, so you can see the flash meter reading, and my actual exposure data. http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629987116526/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Meter experiment
On 5/31/2012 3:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I did some art nudes with a friend last night using my studio flash gear. As an experiment, I pulled out the flash meter and when I'd get my lighting dialed in, I'd take a picture of the flash meter and a grey card. As far as I can tell, the way it works is to fire the strobe. the f/stop that it reads on the meter is the correct aperture for ASA 50 film. Point the arrow on the dial at that aperture, then look at what aperture lines up with the ISO, and that's the supposed correct exposure. I will say that it never completely blew the exposure, but it was pretty consistently different from the exposure that I ended up using, about a stop or so under. In other words plenty of safe headroom for something really bright in the picture, but not maximizing the SNR on low key digital photos. Shooting at ISO 80 on the K-5, I think that I could feel confident that if I used the flash meter, and didn't check the histogram, I would almost never blow a shot. I am coming to the conclusion that it is a valuable tool to know how to use, that there are situations that it can prove invaluable, but likewise, the histogram is also a valuable tool, and I'd be foolish to rely on the flash meter and ignore the histogram, if the histogram were available. For those that would like to check for themselves, fluidr shows the exif data, so you can see the flash meter reading, and my actual exposure data. http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629987116526/ Those are about the geekiest nudes I've ever seen... -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Meter experiment
On May 31, 2012, at 1:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: On 5/31/2012 3:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote: For those that would like to check for themselves, fluidr shows the exif data, so you can see the flash meter reading, and my actual exposure data. http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629987116526/ Those are about the geekiest nudes I've ever seen... You should see the server room bondage series someone did a few years back. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Meter experiment
Larry, I'd rather use my meters in the incident light mode - assuming they had the option. That's probably the the only difference. I used the Gossen Pro F for a very looong time, and used to bracket since local E-6 development had issues. With C41 I hardly used the Gossen, but in studio with the Ds and the Xti I had *always* some adjustment. If memory serves, the Xti wanted more than half stop more light, and the Ds would be ok with a little less than one stop more light. So your results do not look odd, even if I don't use grey cards. Making adjustment according to the image mood and tonal range of the subject is sound procedure IMHO - always done that way, limited to the kind of film in use. I do want my whites with less detail and more light by default - again some adjustment required from the meter reading. I do enjoy building the pic if possible. will check the pics later, underage sidekick is near. :-) lf Message: 16 Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 12:31:12 -0700 From: Larry Colen l...@red4est.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Flash Meter experiment Message-ID: 7b7215ab-1ab1-4739-a138-d35ca8180...@red4est.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I did some art nudes with a friend last night using my studio flash gear. As an experiment, I pulled out the flash meter and when I'd get my lighting dialed in, I'd take a picture of the flash meter and a grey card. As far as I can tell, the way it works is to fire the strobe. the f/stop that it reads on the meter is the correct aperture for ASA 50 film. Point the arrow on the dial at that aperture, then look at what aperture lines up with the ISO, and that's the supposed correct exposure. I will say that it never completely blew the exposure, but it was pretty consistently different from the exposure that I ended up using, about a stop or so under. In other words plenty of safe headroom for something really bright in the picture, but not maximizing the SNR on low key digital photos. Shooting at ISO 80 on the K-5, I think that I could feel confident that if I used the flash meter, and didn't check the histogram, I would almost never blow a shot. I am coming to the conclusion that it is a valuable tool to know how to use, that there are situations that it can prove invaluable, but likewise, the histogram is also a valuable tool, and I'd be foolish to rely on the flash meter and ignore the histogram, if the histogram were available. For those that would like to check for themselves, fluidr shows the exif data, so you can see the flash meter reading, and my actual exposure data. http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629987116526/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- luiz felipe luiz.felipe at luizfelipe.fot.br -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Meter experiment
According to this article, you've got it about right. But there's no point to using the gray card there, just hold the meter near the part of the image that will be the brightest (or most sensitive to overexposure, like facial skin), with the dome pointing back at the camera lens (one general method) and fire your strobe(s). The meter is supposed to flip up and stick at the required f-stop. You can translate to different f-stops using the scale on the dial. http://photo.net/photography-lighting-equipment-techniques-forum/009RaY Another way to use it is to measure the light from each individual strobe. To do that you'll need to make a tiny snoot from black paper that fits the white dome. (Think of it as a reverse flash.) Holding the meter near your subject, point the snoot at each light and fire it (or them all) to measure its contribution. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: I did some art nudes with a friend last night using my studio flash gear. As an experiment, I pulled out the flash meter and when I'd get my lighting dialed in, I'd take a picture of the flash meter and a grey card. As far as I can tell, the way it works is to fire the strobe. the f/stop that it reads on the meter is the correct aperture for ASA 50 film. Point the arrow on the dial at that aperture, then look at what aperture lines up with the ISO, and that's the supposed correct exposure. I will say that it never completely blew the exposure, but it was pretty consistently different from the exposure that I ended up using, about a stop or so under. In other words plenty of safe headroom for something really bright in the picture, but not maximizing the SNR on low key digital photos. Shooting at ISO 80 on the K-5, I think that I could feel confident that if I used the flash meter, and didn't check the histogram, I would almost never blow a shot. I am coming to the conclusion that it is a valuable tool to know how to use, that there are situations that it can prove invaluable, but likewise, the histogram is also a valuable tool, and I'd be foolish to rely on the flash meter and ignore the histogram, if the histogram were available. For those that would like to check for themselves, fluidr shows the exif data, so you can see the flash meter reading, and my actual exposure data. http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629987116526/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Meter experiment
Larry wrote: I did some art nudes with a friend last night using my studio flash gear. As an experiment, I pulled out the flash meter and when I'd get my lighting dialed in, I'd take a picture of the flash meter and a grey card. I know that you've got an FA77Ltd - why are you shooting at 50mm? I'd expect the longer focal length to be better suited to this work, and presumably you've got enough space to step a bit further away. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Meter experiment
Begin forwarded message: From: luiz felipe luiz.fel...@techmit.com.br Date: May 31, 2012 4:09:36 PM PDT To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Flash Meter experiment Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net will check the pics later, underage sidekick is near. :-) These pictures are just of the flash meter and a grey card. From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com Date: May 31, 2012 4:31:57 PM PDT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Flash Meter experiment Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net According to this article, you've got it about right. But there's no point to using the gray card there, just hold the meter near the part of the image that will be the brightest (or most sensitive to Heh! I was using the grey card in those photos as a color reference for lightroom. Shooting two birds in one frame, as it were. overexposure, like facial skin), with the dome pointing back at the camera lens (one general method) and fire your strobe(s). The meter is supposed to flip up and stick at the required f-stop. You can translate to different f-stops using the scale on the dial. http://photo.net/photography-lighting-equipment-techniques-forum/009RaY Another way to use it is to measure the light from each individual strobe. To do that you'll need to make a tiny snoot from black paper that fits the white dome. (Think of it as a reverse flash.) Holding the meter near your subject, point the snoot at each light and fire it (or them all) to measure its contribution. From: John Francis jo...@panix.com Date: May 31, 2012 5:02:19 PM PDT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Flash Meter experiment Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Larry wrote: I did some art nudes with a friend last night using my studio flash gear. As an experiment, I pulled out the flash meter and when I'd get my lighting dialed in, I'd take a picture of the flash meter and a grey card. I know that you've got an FA77Ltd - why are you shooting at 50mm? I'd expect the longer focal length to be better suited to this work, and presumably you've got enough space to step a bit further away. They were shot in my living room, and to get the lights where I wanted, I didn't have any more room. Unfortunately, my living room is long, but narrow. It was chilly enough she didn't want to do nude photos outdoors last night. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash Meter experiment
A flash meter is best used in incident mode. When shooting a model, position it in an area where you want a normal, correct exposure (as opposed to a highlight or shadow), point it at the camera lens and fire your strobes. The f-stop displayed on the meter should be your exposure. To see how much light falloff or overexposure you have in other areas, you can reposition the meter and fire again. But your shooting stop should be there reading you get in the spot where you need a correct exposure. Paul On May 31, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote: I did some art nudes with a friend last night using my studio flash gear. As an experiment, I pulled out the flash meter and when I'd get my lighting dialed in, I'd take a picture of the flash meter and a grey card. As far as I can tell, the way it works is to fire the strobe. the f/stop that it reads on the meter is the correct aperture for ASA 50 film. Point the arrow on the dial at that aperture, then look at what aperture lines up with the ISO, and that's the supposed correct exposure. I will say that it never completely blew the exposure, but it was pretty consistently different from the exposure that I ended up using, about a stop or so under. In other words plenty of safe headroom for something really bright in the picture, but not maximizing the SNR on low key digital photos. Shooting at ISO 80 on the K-5, I think that I could feel confident that if I used the flash meter, and didn't check the histogram, I would almost never blow a shot. I am coming to the conclusion that it is a valuable tool to know how to use, that there are situations that it can prove invaluable, but likewise, the histogram is also a valuable tool, and I'd be foolish to rely on the flash meter and ignore the histogram, if the histogram were available. For those that would like to check for themselves, fluidr shows the exif data, so you can see the flash meter reading, and my actual exposure data. http://www.fluidr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157629987116526/ -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
Thank you John. 2010/12/31 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: http://www.weinproducts.com/Camera-Produdcts.html From: Thibouille 2010/12/30 Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: You might look into Wein flashmeters for studiouse. They are plentiful and cheap and easy to use. For on the run, you really don't need a flashmeter for a single flash setup. I used to use the venerable Vivitar 283 and 285s. Dial in your ASA/ISO and you have a range of power settings that allow you to shoot anything under a given range at a given aperture. If you are bouncing the light you will need to compensate for the light loss, of course. Never heard of those. Couldn't find any on Ebay either. Can one find those in Europe ? Yep, outside isn't much of a problem, indeed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
Thanks John, I'll see if I can find price of one of those used. 2010/12/29 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: Thibouille My TLR finally arrived, after it waited quite a bit in its box waiting for snow to go away so the truck could actually deliver it (that was so hard to wait...). Although the camera needs a cleaning (expected) and a new focus screen would be good as well, the urgent need is for a meter. Of course I can use the K7 but that's not exactly that easy. If I can avoid the bulk, I'll do it. I have Studio flashes but have no Flashmeter which means trial errors is a little annoying: a flashmeter would be a good thing. But wouldn't using a modern flashmeter (and a C330 TLR) outside not getting too much attention on me/the camera ? A Sekonic 308/358 is fine at home but outside? Maybe a second hand meter from Eekbay would be of any value (if those still deliver any consistent results)? Heard a lot of good from Minolta flashmeters (III,IV and V) as well. Really, a simple old CdS meter might be good enough for using outside with the C330? Or would a modern Sekonic/Gossen meter really add much more? I have found the Sekonic L-408 Multimaster meter to be an excellent all around meter. It does ambient, flash (cord cordless), and reflected light metering using a 5 deg spot viewfinder. It's water resistant. The lumisphere retracts for contrast measurement, and it has multi-flash capability for measuring cumulative flash exposure. Powered by a single 1.5v AA battery. Plus they don't usually cost as much as some meters with less capability. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
2010/12/29 Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net: On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: I used a Gossen LunaSix when I had my studio and the major brands are always a good bet. That said, I currently use Shepherd/Polaris. It will do ambient/flash/multiple flash with both reflected and incident reading. It's accurate and is easier on the wallet. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=shepherdN=0InitialSearch=yes I've been gearing up for something more rudimentary and cheaper than most of what's been recommended here. I'd been thinking about a used Sekonic L-398, then found I could get decent prices on new ones. Then a couple days ago I came across the L-208, a simpler meter at half the price. I checked out reviews by buyers at BH and Adorama, and found that even several pros thought highly of it. Construction is apparently not as solid as some would like, but others found it plenty robust. With my $50 store credit at Adorama from my rebate experience I could get it for about $50 with free shipping. I figure if it breaks, or it's not what I hoped it would be, or I lose it, I'm not out that much. I want a meter mainly to help me learn about exposure -- so maybe someday I can learn to get along without a meter, as i understand some do. So, barring any strong advice to the contrary, I'll probably place the order tomorrow. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA I thought about simple meters as well partly because of price, partly because an old style meter is more classy near a C330 than a modern one ;) The thing is, I need a flashmeter anyway. But thanks, it makes me think more which can't be bad. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
On Dec 30, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Thibouille wrote: I thought about simple meters as well partly because of price, partly because an old style meter is more classy near a C330 than a modern one ;) The thing is, I need a flashmeter anyway. But thanks, it makes me think more which can't be bad. Your welcome, Thibouille. I'm back on the fence about the 398 vs. the 208. With my store credit the latter would be dirt cheap. And if I don't like it when I get it I guess I can return it. Don't think too much. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
You might look into Wein flashmeters for studiouse. They are plentiful and cheap and easy to use. For on the run, you really don't need a flashmeter for a single flash setup. I used to use the venerable Vivitar 283 and 285s. Dial in your ASA/ISO and you have a range of power settings that allow you to shoot anything under a given range at a given aperture. If you are bouncing the light you will need to compensate for the light loss, of course. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
2010/12/30 Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: You might look into Wein flashmeters for studiouse. They are plentiful and cheap and easy to use. For on the run, you really don't need a flashmeter for a single flash setup. I used to use the venerable Vivitar 283 and 285s. Dial in your ASA/ISO and you have a range of power settings that allow you to shoot anything under a given range at a given aperture. If you are bouncing the light you will need to compensate for the light loss, of course. Never heard of those. Couldn't find any on Ebay either. Can one find those in Europe ? Yep, outside isn't much of a problem, indeed. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
http://www.weinproducts.com/Camera-Produdcts.html From: Thibouille 2010/12/30 Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com: You might look into Wein flashmeters for studiouse. They are plentiful and cheap and easy to use. For on the run, you really don't need a flashmeter for a single flash setup. I used to use the venerable Vivitar 283 and 285s. Dial in your ASA/ISO and you have a range of power settings that allow you to shoot anything under a given range at a given aperture. If you are bouncing the light you will need to compensate for the light loss, of course. Never heard of those. Couldn't find any on Ebay either. Can one find those in Europe ? Yep, outside isn't much of a problem, indeed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Thibouille pentaxl...@gmail.com wrote: Heard a lot of good from Minolta flashmeters (III,IV and V) as well. I bought a used Minolta IV in 2001 and still use it. I think it works well, has cable or no cable settings for flash and uses 1 AA battery. Dave Really, a simple old CdS meter might be good enough for using outside with the C330? Or would a modern Sekonic/Gossen meter really add much more? Thanks -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: I used a Gossen LunaSix when I had my studio and the major brands are always a good bet. That said, I currently use Shepherd/Polaris. It will do ambient/flash/multiple flash with both reflected and incident reading. It's accurate and is easier on the wallet. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=shepherdN=0InitialSearch=yes I've been gearing up for something more rudimentary and cheaper than most of what's been recommended here. I'd been thinking about a used Sekonic L-398, then found I could get decent prices on new ones. Then a couple days ago I came across the L-208, a simpler meter at half the price. I checked out reviews by buyers at BH and Adorama, and found that even several pros thought highly of it. Construction is apparently not as solid as some would like, but others found it plenty robust. With my $50 store credit at Adorama from my rebate experience I could get it for about $50 with free shipping. I figure if it breaks, or it's not what I hoped it would be, or I lose it, I'm not out that much. I want a meter mainly to help me learn about exposure -- so maybe someday I can learn to get along without a meter, as i understand some do. So, barring any strong advice to the contrary, I'll probably place the order tomorrow. -- Eric Weir Decatur, GA USA eew...@bellsouth.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
I used a Gossen LunaSix when I had my studio and the major brands are always a good bet. That said, I currently use Shepherd/Polaris. It will do ambient/flash/multiple flash with both reflected and incident reading. It's accurate and is easier on the wallet. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=shepherdN=0InitialSearch=yes http://tinyurl.com/2blve8w* -p *On 12/27/2010 11:29 PM, Thibouille wrote: My TLR finally arrived, after it waited quite a bit in its box waiting for snow to go away so the truck could actually deliver it (that was so hard to wait...). Although the camera needs a cleaning (expected) and a new focus screen would be good as well, the urgent need is for a meter. Of course I can use the K7 but that's not exactly that easy. If I can avoid the bulk, I'll do it. I have Studio flashes but have no Flashmeter which means trial errors is a little annoying: a flashmeter would be a good thing. But wouldn't using a modern flashmeter (and a C330 TLR) outside not getting too much attention on me/the camera ? A Sekonic 308/358 is fine at home but outside? Maybe a second hand meter from Eekbay would be of any value (if those still deliver any consistent results)? Heard a lot of good from Minolta flashmeters (III,IV and V) as well. Really, a simple old CdS meter might be good enough for using outside with the C330? Or would a modern Sekonic/Gossen meter really add much more? Thanks -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
Didn't know about those. Thank you Paul. 2010/12/28 Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net: I used a Gossen LunaSix when I had my studio and the major brands are always a good bet. That said, I currently use Shepherd/Polaris. It will do ambient/flash/multiple flash with both reflected and incident reading. It's accurate and is easier on the wallet. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=shepherdN=0InitialSearch=yes http://tinyurl.com/2blve8w* -p *On 12/27/2010 11:29 PM, Thibouille wrote: My TLR finally arrived, after it waited quite a bit in its box waiting for snow to go away so the truck could actually deliver it (that was so hard to wait...). Although the camera needs a cleaning (expected) and a new focus screen would be good as well, the urgent need is for a meter. Of course I can use the K7 but that's not exactly that easy. If I can avoid the bulk, I'll do it. I have Studio flashes but have no Flashmeter which means trial errors is a little annoying: a flashmeter would be a good thing. But wouldn't using a modern flashmeter (and a C330 TLR) outside not getting too much attention on me/the camera ? A Sekonic 308/358 is fine at home but outside? Maybe a second hand meter from Eekbay would be of any value (if those still deliver any consistent results)? Heard a lot of good from Minolta flashmeters (III,IV and V) as well. Really, a simple old CdS meter might be good enough for using outside with the C330? Or would a modern Sekonic/Gossen meter really add much more? Thanks -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
From: Thibouille My TLR finally arrived, after it waited quite a bit in its box waiting for snow to go away so the truck could actually deliver it (that was so hard to wait...). Although the camera needs a cleaning (expected) and a new focus screen would be good as well, the urgent need is for a meter. Of course I can use the K7 but that's not exactly that easy. If I can avoid the bulk, I'll do it. I have Studio flashes but have no Flashmeter which means trial errors is a little annoying: a flashmeter would be a good thing. But wouldn't using a modern flashmeter (and a C330 TLR) outside not getting too much attention on me/the camera ? A Sekonic 308/358 is fine at home but outside? Maybe a second hand meter from Eekbay would be of any value (if those still deliver any consistent results)? Heard a lot of good from Minolta flashmeters (III,IV and V) as well. Really, a simple old CdS meter might be good enough for using outside with the C330? Or would a modern Sekonic/Gossen meter really add much more? I have found the Sekonic L-408 Multimaster meter to be an excellent all around meter. It does ambient, flash (cord cordless), and reflected light metering using a 5 deg spot viewfinder. It's water resistant. The lumisphere retracts for contrast measurement, and it has multi-flash capability for measuring cumulative flash exposure. Powered by a single 1.5v AA battery. Plus they don't usually cost as much as some meters with less capability. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
[Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
My TLR finally arrived, after it waited quite a bit in its box waiting for snow to go away so the truck could actually deliver it (that was so hard to wait...). Although the camera needs a cleaning (expected) and a new focus screen would be good as well, the urgent need is for a meter. Of course I can use the K7 but that's not exactly that easy. If I can avoid the bulk, I'll do it. I have Studio flashes but have no Flashmeter which means trial errors is a little annoying: a flashmeter would be a good thing. But wouldn't using a modern flashmeter (and a C330 TLR) outside not getting too much attention on me/the camera ? A Sekonic 308/358 is fine at home but outside? Maybe a second hand meter from Eekbay would be of any value (if those still deliver any consistent results)? Heard a lot of good from Minolta flashmeters (III,IV and V) as well. Really, a simple old CdS meter might be good enough for using outside with the C330? Or would a modern Sekonic/Gossen meter really add much more? Thanks -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
On Dec 27, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Thibouille wrote: Really, a simple old CdS meter might be good enough for using outside with the C330? Or would a modern Sekonic/Gossen meter really add much more? Why not just use your Pentax DSLR as a flash meter? Dial the exposure in on the pentax, then set the aperture on the meter based on what chimping and reading the histograms tells you. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived
Thibault, I have a Gossen Lunasix 3 which I use with my Rolleicord: if you find one, you should check that the adaptor for use with mercury batteries has been installed otherwise you will not get accurate readings. It's very easy to use, and gives both incident light( if the incident light cone is in place) or direct readings. You really don't necessarily need a modern one - any older one that is undamaged should give you good readings. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Thibouille Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2010 3:29 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: [Need a (flash)meter] Mamiya C330 TLR arrived My TLR finally arrived, after it waited quite a bit in its box waiting for snow to go away so the truck could actually deliver it (that was so hard to wait...). Although the camera needs a cleaning (expected) and a new focus screen would be good as well, the urgent need is for a meter. Of course I can use the K7 but that's not exactly that easy. If I can avoid the bulk, I'll do it. I have Studio flashes but have no Flashmeter which means trial errors is a little annoying: a flashmeter would be a good thing. But wouldn't using a modern flashmeter (and a C330 TLR) outside not getting too much attention on me/the camera ? A Sekonic 308/358 is fine at home but outside? Maybe a second hand meter from Eekbay would be of any value (if those still deliver any consistent results)? Heard a lot of good from Minolta flashmeters (III,IV and V) as well. Really, a simple old CdS meter might be good enough for using outside with the C330? Or would a modern Sekonic/Gossen meter really add much more? Thanks -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ ... Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FS: Pentax Program Plus, M-50/2, M-135/3.5, flash meter REDUCED AGAIN!!
Hi all, it's me again. Pentax Program Plus, M 50mm f/2, M 135 f/3.5, Novatron flash meter. Everything is in great shape. Haven't used the flash meter in about 10 years, but has been stored without battery should still be fine. $50 for the whole kit and kaboodle. $10 shipping to the US. Drop me a line. ~Nick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FS: Pentax Program Plus, M-50/2, M-135/3.5, flash meter REDUCED
For sale: Pentax Program Plus SLR. $15. Pentax M-50mm f/2. $10. Pentax M-135mm f/3.5 $30. Novatron FM02 flash meter. $15. Camera and lenses are in good working and cosmetic shape. Flash meter worked fine, but I haven't used it in about 10 years. Pictures available upon request. Paypal only. I'd take $60 for the whole lot including USPS shipping to the lower 48. International shipping would be extra. ~Nick Wright -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: FS: Program Plus, 50mm, 135mm, flash meter, domke bag
Really, really want to sell this stuff. Anyone interested in taking it all for $80 plus shipping? On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Nick Wright nickwright1...@gmail.com wrote: I've got for sale a: Pentax Program Plus SLR. $25. Pentax M-50mm f/2. $20. Pentax M-135mm f/3.5 $40. Novatron FM02 flash meter. $20. Domke F-803 satchel-style camera bag. Navy, well-used but still in good shape. $25. Make me an offer!! Camera and lenses are in good working and cosmetic shape. Flash meter worked fine, but I haven't used it in about 10 years. Selling because there are now no local film developing labs (even WalMart took out their film lab last month). I'm just too lazy to do it myself, and not interested in shipping my films in the mail. Really want to sell the stuff. Make me an offer. Just tired of if taking up my very limited space. Shipping extra Paypal only. US only. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
FS: Program Plus, 50mm, 135mm, flash meter, domke bag
I've got for sale a: Pentax Program Plus SLR. $25. Pentax M-50mm f/2. $20. Pentax M-135mm f/3.5 $40. Novatron FM02 flash meter. $20. Domke F-803 satchel-style camera bag. Navy, well-used but still in good shape. $25. Make me an offer!! Camera and lenses are in good working and cosmetic shape. Flash meter worked fine, but I haven't used it in about 10 years. Selling because there are now no local film developing labs (even WalMart took out their film lab last month). I'm just too lazy to do it myself, and not interested in shipping my films in the mail. Really want to sell the stuff. Make me an offer. Just tired of if taking up my very limited space. Shipping extra Paypal only. US only. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Flash meter recommedations
On Feb 12, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Sekonic L-358 I believe spot metering attachments are available as accessories. The accessory is the L-358VF I think. I have one here but it's been ages since I actually used it. - Dave
Re: Flash meter recommedations - OUTCOME
This one time, at band camp, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $400-500 Kevin If I thought I'd use it enough I'd get the Sekonic L558. So taking this to mind, I launched myself at eBay and came up the winner on this http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7587998373 Thanks to all for suggestions, Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: Flash meter recommedations - OUTCOME
You should be happy with it. Dave On 2/12/06, Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one time, at band camp, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $400-500 Kevin If I thought I'd use it enough I'd get the Sekonic L558. So taking this to mind, I launched myself at eBay and came up the winner on this http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7587998373 Thanks to all for suggestions, Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: Flash meter recommedations - OUTCOME
Good choice, Kevin. You'll love it. Bob On Feb 12, 2006, at 6:16 AM, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $400-500 Kevin If I thought I'd use it enough I'd get the Sekonic L558. So taking this to mind, I launched myself at eBay and came up the winner on this http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7587998373 Thanks to all for suggestions, Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Flash meter recommedations
I am looking for a flash meter to do two things. 1) normal flash metering. 2) I need a spot attachment to read the reflective reading from the backdrop when the flash is fired. Any and all suggestions welcomed Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: Flash meter recommedations
Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for a flash meter to do two things. 1) normal flash metering. 2) I need a spot attachment to read the reflective reading from the backdrop when the flash is fired. Sekonic L-358 I believe spot metering attachments are available as accessories. -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: Flash meter recommedations
On Feb 11, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Kevin Waterson wrote: I am looking for a flash meter to do two things. 1) normal flash metering. 2) I need a spot attachment to read the reflective reading from the backdrop when the flash is fired. Any and all suggestions welcomed Budget? Bob
Re: Flash meter recommedations
- Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson Subject: Flash meter recommedations I am looking for a flash meter to do two things. 1) normal flash metering. 2) I need a spot attachment to read the reflective reading from the backdrop when the flash is fired. Any and all suggestions welcomed If you use a DSLR, use it. The histogram thingies work. William Robb
Re: Flash meter recommedations
On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sekonic L308B-II About $100 used. Flash ambient metering. Standard battery. Small, lightweight. No spot feature. I think he said he needed that. I use and recommend the L-558 . That's why I asked him his budget. Bob
Re: Flash meter recommedations
This one time, at band camp, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Budget? Bob $400-500 Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: Flash meter recommedations
This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you use a DSLR, use it. The histogram thingies work. Using 6x7 Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: Flash meter recommedations
On 2/12/06, Kevin Waterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This one time, at band camp, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Budget? Bob $400-500 Kevin If I thought I'd use it enough I'd get the Sekonic L558. Dave
Re: Flash meter recommedations
- Original Message - From: Kevin Waterson Subject: Re: Flash meter recommedations This one time, at band camp, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you use a DSLR, use it. The histogram thingies work. Using 6x7 I remember film. I use a Minolta IIIF in the studio. It ain't fancy, but it doesn't have to be. William Robb
RE: flash meter opinions
I use an old Gossen Lunasix F. It's quite accurate. A used on e woild probably cost less than 100 USD. Why do you want 5 degrees? Jens Bladt Arkitekt MAA http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Godfrey DiGiorgi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. august 2005 16:09 Til: PDML Emne: Re: flash meter opinions On Aug 3, 2005, at 6:59 AM, Kevin Waterson wrote: I was looking at buying a new flash meter needs to read flash incident reading and flash reflective readings. About 5 degrees. Any suggestions or horror stories greatfully recieved The meter I like most is the Sekonic L358. Nice big incident dome, spot metering attachments for 1, 5 or 10 degrees. Godfrey
Re: flash meter opinions
This one time, at band camp, Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use an old Gossen Lunasix F. It's quite accurate. A used on e woild probably cost less than 100 USD. Why do you want 5 degrees? I wish to measure the fall off of reflected light across background when a flash is used. eg: if I measure the incident reading at 8.0 I then wish to know what the reflected light is. This will change of course depending on the color of background material. Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
flash meter opinions
I was looking at buying a new flash meter needs to read flash incident reading and flash reflective readings. About 5 degrees. Any suggestions or horror stories greatfully recieved Kind regards Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: flash meter opinions
On Aug 3, 2005, at 6:59 AM, Kevin Waterson wrote: I was looking at buying a new flash meter needs to read flash incident reading and flash reflective readings. About 5 degrees. Any suggestions or horror stories greatfully recieved The meter I like most is the Sekonic L358. Nice big incident dome, spot metering attachments for 1, 5 or 10 degrees. Godfrey
Re: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions
If it's the Auto Meter III F, I was able to download a manual from the Minolta website. Bill - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: OT: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions Anyone have an instruction book for this meter? I just bought one off KEH. It works great, but I want to make sure I am using it correctly and to its full potential. I'm hoping someone could photocopy or scan it and send it to me. TIA Christian
Re: OT: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions
Christian, Try this link http://www.minoltausa.com/eprise/main/MinoltaUSA/MUSAContent/CPG/CPG_SupportCenter/ManualResults Bill - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: OT: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions While I appreciate your answers, the first thing I did was search google and Minolta's website (before asking the list). Unfortunately, Minolta does not support its old products the way Pentax does. The Flash Meter III was not available for download from Minolta. Sure, I can buy a photocopy, but I was trying to be cheap and hope that someone on this great list would have it available, much as I have made various manuals available for my fellow list-members when Pentax did not have them. To be honest, except for postage, I am not willing to for it. Thanks again. Christian - Original Message - From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: OT: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions Christian a écrit : Anyone have an instruction book for this meter? I just bought one off KEH. It works great, but I want to make sure I am using it correctly and to its full potential. I'm hoping someone could photocopy or scan it and send it to me. Google say me: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=001apM http://www.minoltausa.com/eprise/main/MinoltaUSA/MUSAContent/CPG/CPG_SupportCenter/ManualResults
Re: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions
It is not the auto meter III F. It is the Flash Meter III. The controls and functions are very different between the two. Thanks! Christian - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions If it's the Auto Meter III F, I was able to download a manual from the Minolta website. Bill - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: OT: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions Anyone have an instruction book for this meter? I just bought one off KEH. It works great, but I want to make sure I am using it correctly and to its full potential. I'm hoping someone could photocopy or scan it and send it to me. TIA Christian
Re: OT: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions
The link would be great if I had anything but the Flash Meter III! :-( Christian - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: Re: OT: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions Christian, Try this link http://www.minoltausa.com/eprise/main/MinoltaUSA/MUSAContent/CPG/CPG_SupportCenter/ManualResults Bill - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:16 PM Subject: Re: OT: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions While I appreciate your answers, the first thing I did was search google and Minolta's website (before asking the list). Unfortunately, Minolta does not support its old products the way Pentax does. The Flash Meter III was not available for download from Minolta. Sure, I can buy a photocopy, but I was trying to be cheap and hope that someone on this great list would have it available, much as I have made various manuals available for my fellow list-members when Pentax did not have them. To be honest, except for postage, I am not willing to for it. Thanks again. Christian - Original Message - From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:48 PM Subject: Re: OT: Minolta Flash Meter III instructions Christian a écrit : Anyone have an instruction book for this meter? I just bought one off KEH. It works great, but I want to make sure I am using it correctly and to its full potential. I'm hoping someone could photocopy or scan it and send it to me. Google say me: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=001apM http://www.minoltausa.com/eprise/main/MinoltaUSA/MUSAContent/CPG/CPG_SupportCenter/ManualResults
Flash meter
I'm new to the subject of studio flash. I have two strobes rated at 220 watt seconds each but they didn't really come with instructions for a novice such as myself. They mentioned a guide number of 165 and said for example that if the subject is 10 feet away then divide 165 by 10 to arrive at an f stop of 16.5. Simple enough. But I have two strobes. Surely that affects things. I have shot several rolls of film that have not produced any consistent results. Several questions: I assume I will need to buy a flash meter. Looking at these I see that you fire a test flash at the meter and it gives you an appropriate f stop which is great but what would be the shutter speed? The sync speed on my Pentax 645NII is 1/60 but how does the flash meter know that? And what if I used a different shutter speed? Any suggestions on a simple yet inexpensive flash meter? I see some of them cost more than many cameras! I have a Pentax 645NII. I need a hot shoe adaptor to connect to the strobes. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for any help. Stephen - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Flash meter
- Original Message - From: Stephen Hoffman Subject: Flash meter I assume I will need to buy a flash meter. Looking at these I see that you fire a test flash at the meter and it gives you an appropriate f stop which is great but what would be the shutter speed? The sync speed on my Pentax 645NII is 1/60 but how does the flash meter know that? The flash meter doesn't care what the shutter speed is. All it meters is the flash output. Some of them can be set up to meter ambient in addition to the flash, but that is something that you don't really need to think about in the studio. And what if I used a different shutter speed? Go over your sync speed and you will get the typical flach sync failure. Go to far under and you may start to see the modeling lights. Just shoot at sync and all will be well. Any suggestions on a simple yet inexpensive flash meter? I see some of them cost more than many cameras! I use an old Minolta IIIF which is very nice, and may be available used for cheap, as they have been around for a while. I operate on the KISS system, so I would get the simplest meter I could get. I find many of them to complicated for what is a very simple measurement. I have a Pentax 645NII. I need a hot shoe adaptor to connect to the strobes. Any suggestions? They don't put a PC socket on that camera? I thought it was supposed to be a PRO camera. HAMA makes a hot shoe to PC socket adaptor that is quite cheap. Thanks in advance for any help. Yer welcome William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Flash meter
In a message dated 7/12/2002 4:38:55 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a Pentax 645NII. I need a hot shoe adaptor to connect to the strobes. Any suggestions? Why not just plug them into the X-sync socket on the side of the camera instead of getting a hot shoe adapter? ERNR My photographs hang on the virtual walls at http://members.aol.com/ernreed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Flash meter
Dopey me, I guess I didn't think of that! Thanks to you and William Robb for pointing that out. Hey, I never said I knew what I was doing. Stephen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Flash meter In a message dated 7/12/2002 4:38:55 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a Pentax 645NII. I need a hot shoe adaptor to connect to the strobes. Any suggestions? Why not just plug them into the X-sync socket on the side of the camera instead of getting a hot shoe adapter? ERNR My photographs hang on the virtual walls at http://members.aol.com/ernreed - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: flash meter test
The maximum power isn't as important in this circumstance as is the minimum power setting. A 640ws or more flash, if it gave 1/16 or smaller minimum output, would IMO be OK. You would never regret the highest power and would always find an occasion when even more would be useful. To illustrate my point, when I was a wage slave I used a 6000ws pack driving a single 2m x 1m softbox, plus a 3200ws pack with 2 flash-heads, plus up to 4 additional 800ws monobloc heads. Even with all that power on tap there were many occasions when multi-flashing was required to get f22 or f32 at ISO64. OTOH my personal Multiblitz kit was made especially for portraiture and has three monobloc heads at 180 ws each which is plenty for an f8 single or double portrait at ISO100. But as general purpose units they are not so good because they only offer two power settings, full and half. My kit is stretched to photograph a group of 10 to 20, and even then I'm either putting two heads together to act as one light source, or reverting to the polished dish reflector at the main-light position, which is harder than I like for people photos. So my advice is to get the most powerful unit you can afford that also gives you a small minimum power setting. Perhaps you should investigate a pack/head combo around 800ws to 1200ws. If money was tight you could get started with a single flash-head but you would then have the option of getting additional heads for less money than additional monobloc heads would cost, up to the limit of the power pack which is usually 3 or 4 heads. To stay on-topic, all my 35mm shots lit by the Multiblitz's were taken with Pentaxes, and when I moonlighted at work I would use my own cameras, Pentaxes of course. Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: Brendan [EMAIL PROTECTED] just to see how I may be able to light my basement and I was so surprised. withthe Af500 and achiever on slave, the 330 on camera then manually fired, the result at 400 iso was F22!! white walls reflect ALOT. I guess a 640ws flash is way too much power to start with, and I'm better off with a 320 ws unit, but still the price difference doesn't seem to be worth it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: flash meter test
true, but it was a test, with 100 speed it would be around f8 . I would still want the higher powered unit since I will be doing some location work. --- Pat White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a studio setting, with all the light you need, why use 400-speed film? 100-speed will give you better color, finer grain, and more f-stop flexibility. Only use high-speed film when you have to, or if you like the look. Pat White - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Movies, Music, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
flash meter test
just to see how I may be able to light my basement and I was so surprised. withthe Af500 and achiever on slave, the 330 on camera then manually fired, the result at 400 iso was F22!! white walls reflect ALOT. I guess a 640ws flash is way too much power to start with, and I'm better off with a 320 ws unit, but still the price difference doesn't seem to be worth it. __ Movies, Music, Sports, Games! http://entertainment.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Using flash meter with TTL flash was Halogen again
The Halogen lights seem fine for BW work even with it's yellowish cast. It has dawned on me that I have more than enough light with an AF500FTZ, AF330FTZ and achiever flash. I only have an older minolta auto meter III which does not have flash metering but how would one use a flash meter with TTL? Won't the TTL adjust flash out put maing the meter reading inaccurate? I know that with the AF500 set to slave and the Achiever set to auto flash with a slave eye I can calculate the exposure but how will it affect the AF330 on camera in TTL? I have a large 42 5 in one reflector to bounce with and I have the stofen omni bounce for the AF500 ( which is rather soft both bounced and direct ). I experimented and manually calculated the settings withthe other 2 flashes yes with the AF330 on camera I don't get the good exposure indication ( 1/60 F8 ) but it still exposes correctly since I calculated the output of the other 2 flashes. I'm very tempted to get another AF500, an umbrella and a flash meter to have a portable lighting setup ( or an alien bee and very long extension cord ). The recharge time with the AF500 and nimh batteries is about 3 sec at 1/2 power for 120 flashes so that doesn't seem to be an issue. __ Find, Connect, Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Flash meter
Minolta Flash Meter IV - look for one second hand. Definitely hard to beat. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Flash meter
Dear list, I need your recommendation about flash meter, which one should I buy not too expensive? My set right now is pz1p and AF500-FTZ Regards, Andy - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Flash meter
Minolta flash meter IV, I'm getting one just after Xmas, sells for about $300 CAD, or $190 usd --- Andy Vu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list, I need your recommendation about flash meter, which one should I buy not too expensive? My set right now is pz1p and AF500-FTZ Regards, Andy - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . __ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Flash meter
On Monday, December 3, 2001, at 05:53 PM, Andy Vu wrote: Dear list, I need your recommendation about flash meter, which one should I buy not too expensive? Are you looking for new or used? I'm a huge fan of the Sekonic L-308b, a nice, small, well-laid-out meter. I've also been impressed by the Gossen Sixtomat Flash -- I don't like its handling as much as I like the Sekonic, but the Sixtomat will do multiple-pop flash exposure and also exposure range. Both are semi-useful (the multiple-pop exposure is easy to do in your head if your meter doesn't offer it, and exposure range simply requires you to remember things and use subtraction, but both are nice to not have to think about). Both of these guys are rather spendy new. The Sekonic was $279 CDN last time I checked, and the Gossen is $329. The Sekonic L-308b seems fairly common on the Toronto used market, don't know about the Gossen. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Flash meter
I will second Aaron's opinion on the Sekonic L208b. Mine has been stone reliable since I bought it used several years ago. Also it seems to be the most pocketable ambiant/flash meter around. Don't think that doesn't matter, a meter in your pocket is far more useful than one in the car a half mile away. Ciao, --graywolf - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Flash meter On Monday, December 3, 2001, at 05:53 PM, Andy Vu wrote: Dear list, I need your recommendation about flash meter, which one should I buy not too expensive? Are you looking for new or used? I'm a huge fan of the Sekonic L-308b, a nice, small, well-laid-out meter. I've also been impressed by the Gossen Sixtomat Flash -- I don't like its handling as much as I like the Sekonic, but the Sixtomat will do multiple-pop flash exposure and also exposure range. Both are semi-useful (the multiple-pop exposure is easy to do in your head if your meter doesn't offer it, and exposure range simply requires you to remember things and use subtraction, but both are nice to not have to think about). Both of these guys are rather spendy new. The Sekonic was $279 CDN last time I checked, and the Gossen is $329. The Sekonic L-308b seems fairly common on the Toronto used market, don't know about the Gossen. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
