Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
- Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This looks very promising, but the date of this is March. I wonder where they are up to now? I would be _very_ interested in seeing any sort of protype or report to be able to make purchasing decisions for the coming year. It is supposedly scheduled for early next year... Pål
Re: Pentax 645D (WAS: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses)
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:48:56 +0100, Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This one time, at band camp, Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16 mPix sensor. No, I did not know. Very interesting. Do we know what make of sensor or the size of it? Well, I was actually trying to say that it is an 18,6Mp sensor. The make is Kodak but I don't remember the precise size but it is slightly smaller than 6X4,5 From memory: 36x48mm, which would make it 1,3 crop with regard to 'full frame' 645... -- Regards, Lucas
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
This one time, at band camp, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 18.6 megapixels > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0503/05031603kodakkaf18000.asp This looks very promising, but the date of this is March. I wonder where they are up to now? I would be _very_ interested in seeing any sort of protype or report to be able to make purchasing decisions for the coming year. Kind regards Kevin -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
"P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >There seems to be some dispute, I read somewhere recently that the >sensor will be approximately 18mp, the manufacturer >is supposed to be Kodak. 18.6 megapixels http://www.dpreview.com/news/0503/05031603kodakkaf18000.asp -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
There seems to be some dispute, I read somewhere recently that the sensor will be approximately 18mp, the manufacturer is supposed to be Kodak. Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16 mPix sensor. No, I did not know. Very interesting. Do we know what make of sensor or the size of it? Kind regards Kevin -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: Pentax 645D (WAS: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses)
- Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This one time, at band camp, Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16 mPix sensor. No, I did not know. Very interesting. Do we know what make of sensor or the size of it? Well, I was actually trying to say that it is an 18,6Mp sensor. The make is Kodak but I don't remember the precise size but it is slightly smaller than 6X4,5 Pål
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
This one time, at band camp, Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16 > mPix > sensor. No, I did not know. Very interesting. Do we know what make of sensor or the size of it? Kind regards Kevin -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
I believe it is 18,6P. J. AllingSat, 03 Dec 2005 10:59:14 -0800Yes, the Kodak 16mp sensor... Jostein wrote: Quoting "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Since you can change backs on the H1 you can always get the Kodak 16mp MP back for it. Sure. In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16 mPix sensor. That's my reason for pulling that figure out of the hat. Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Yes, the Kodak 16mp sensor... Jostein wrote: Quoting "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Since you can change backs on the H1 you can always get the Kodak 16mp MP back for it. Sure. In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16 mPix sensor. That's my reason for pulling that figure out of the hat. Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
On Dec 3, 2005, at 3:52 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16 mPix sensor. Isn't it 18? The mount crops a bit ;) - Dave
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
- Original Message - From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What Auto Focus system does the 645Nii use? Is it the same as the 35mm offerings? SAFOX V. The same as on the MZ-5. Pål
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
This one time, at band camp, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's more than price to it to create a hit in the marketplace, but if the > quality standard of the 645Nii is continued with the D, I'm happy. What Auto Focus system does the 645Nii use? Is it the same as the 35mm offerings? Kind regards Kevin -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
On Dec 2, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Ronald Arvidsson wrote: I saw it on TV as a kid - Armstrong and Aldrin stepping down. In those days we used to believe TV.maybe... Not to start a long discussion about it, but NASA faked up a bunch of shots in studios to use for PR purposes prior to the landing, and I think some of the faked stuff accidentally was released along with the real. There are a few shots which just don't ring true on analysis. Bob
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
I saw it on TV as a kid - Armstrong and Aldrin stepping down. In those days we used to believe TV.maybe... Cheers, ronald frank theriault wrote: On 12/2/05, Ronald Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It is not true that the main focus of Hasselblad was indoor wedding. Victor Hasselblads aim with the first camera was to produce a versatile camera for outdoor photography as this was his main interest. The camera turned out to be very versatile for other purposes as well. I've personnaly used Blad in the field. The 2000 series with lenses without shutters. It has worked very well for me under some rather difficult conditions. The good thing has been its reliability under various conditions from really cold weather to warm humid conditions. They worked pretty well on the moon. If you actually believe that we went to the moon, that is... -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
RE: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
When I was young, I had great fun imagining that USSR was just something US "made up". My theory was that it had two purposes: Selling guns and selling bad movies. When I was young this was an imagination. Now I _know_ it ;-) And don't bother asking, I'm drinking coffee, and smoking legal stuff. I've just got a sick mind ;-) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > -Original Message- > From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 2. desember 2005 18:12 > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses > > On 12/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hmmm, on second thought I'll have what Frank's drinking :-)). > > I'm drinking tap water. Don't ask what I'm smoking, however. > > (legal disclaimer: only joking, of course - drugs are illegal and > evil, and I'd never advocate their use, much less use them myself. > that's my story and I'm sticking to it.) > > But, seriously, I've no doubt that we went to the moon, but as you're > aware, there are loonie conspiracy theorists out there... > > cheers, > frank > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
On 12/2/05, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But, seriously, I've no doubt that we went to the moon, but as you're > aware, there are loonie conspiracy theorists out there... In that regard: http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html -knarf -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
I had nothing but shutter trouble with my early Hasselblad so I got rid of it and bought a Rolleiflex. Then, in 1984 I found a beautiful Bronica and several lenses in Tottenham Court Road and used it until a couple of years ago. The lenses are great and I have a large collection of slides that I intend to scan -- one day. Don W frank theriault wrote: On 12/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hmmm, on second thought I'll have what Frank's drinking :-)). I'm drinking tap water. Don't ask what I'm smoking, however. (legal disclaimer: only joking, of course - drugs are illegal and evil, and I'd never advocate their use, much less use them myself. that's my story and I'm sticking to it.) But, seriously, I've no doubt that we went to the moon, but as you're aware, there are loonie conspiracy theorists out there... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- Dr E D F Williams ___ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams See feature: The Cement Company from Hell Updated: Print Gallery-- 16 11 2005
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
- Original Message - From: "Ronald Arvidsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses It is not true that the main focus of Hasselblad was indoor wedding. Victor Hasselblads aim with the first camera was to produce a versatile camera for outdoor photography as this was his main interest. Sure, but this was about the H1 whose main target is no secret... Pål
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
On 12/2/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmmm, on second thought I'll have what Frank's drinking :-)). I'm drinking tap water. Don't ask what I'm smoking, however. (legal disclaimer: only joking, of course - drugs are illegal and evil, and I'd never advocate their use, much less use them myself. that's my story and I'm sticking to it.) But, seriously, I've no doubt that we went to the moon, but as you're aware, there are loonie conspiracy theorists out there... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
I can only agree. So far P645 performed very well in outdoors. The only major problem is 2kg :) Gasha Pål Jensen wrote: Probably every camera conceived is used by somebody outdoors. However, it is obvious that the Hasselblad was designed for studio and indoor shooters like wedding photographers etc (BTW like most MF equipment). Another camera that comes to mind is the Contax 645. Perhaps the only MF equipment that is meant for and marketed towards outdoor use is the Pentax MF cameras Pål
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Hmmm, on second thought I'll have what Frank's drinking :-)). > On 12/2/05, Ronald Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is not true that the main focus of Hasselblad was indoor wedding. > > Victor Hasselblads aim with the first camera was to produce a versatile > > camera for outdoor photography as this was his main interest. The camera > > turned out to be very versatile for other purposes as well. I've > > personnaly used Blad in the field. The 2000 series with lenses without > > shutters. It has worked very well for me under some rather difficult > > conditions. The good thing has been its reliability under various > > conditions from really cold weather to warm humid conditions. > > They worked pretty well on the moon. > > If you actually believe that we went to the moon, that is... > > -frank > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson >
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
On 12/2/05, Ronald Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is not true that the main focus of Hasselblad was indoor wedding. > Victor Hasselblads aim with the first camera was to produce a versatile > camera for outdoor photography as this was his main interest. The camera > turned out to be very versatile for other purposes as well. I've > personnaly used Blad in the field. The 2000 series with lenses without > shutters. It has worked very well for me under some rather difficult > conditions. The good thing has been its reliability under various > conditions from really cold weather to warm humid conditions. They worked pretty well on the moon. If you actually believe that we went to the moon, that is... -frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
It is not true that the main focus of Hasselblad was indoor wedding. Victor Hasselblads aim with the first camera was to produce a versatile camera for outdoor photography as this was his main interest. The camera turned out to be very versatile for other purposes as well. I've personnaly used Blad in the field. The 2000 series with lenses without shutters. It has worked very well for me under some rather difficult conditions. The good thing has been its reliability under various conditions from really cold weather to warm humid conditions. Cheers, Ronald Pål Jensen wrote: - Original Message - From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not much substance provided to that opinion? I know a professional nature photographer using H1 for his work. You can have a look at his work on the Samfoto website; his name is Svein Grønvold. Since he's dependent on his tool for his income, he'd be out of business if it was "strictly a studio item". Most of the film-based MedFs had a problem with sealing around the detachable magazines. The Pentax 645 insert solution was much better in this respect, and also providing more rigor to the body itself compared to the competition. I was curious to hear if the H1 was somewhat better in this respect than was the old 6x6 'Blad systems, but apparently it's neither worse nor better. Probably every camera conceived is used by somebody outdoors. However, it is obvious that the Hasselblad was designed for studio and indoor shooters like wedding photographers etc (BTW like most MF equipment). Another camera that comes to mind is the Contax 645. Perhaps the only MF equipment that is meant for and marketed towards outdoor use is the Pentax MF cameras Pål
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
- Original Message - From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not much substance provided to that opinion? I know a professional nature photographer using H1 for his work. You can have a look at his work on the Samfoto website; his name is Svein Grønvold. Since he's dependent on his tool for his income, he'd be out of business if it was "strictly a studio item". Most of the film-based MedFs had a problem with sealing around the detachable magazines. The Pentax 645 insert solution was much better in this respect, and also providing more rigor to the body itself compared to the competition. I was curious to hear if the H1 was somewhat better in this respect than was the old 6x6 'Blad systems, but apparently it's neither worse nor better. Probably every camera conceived is used by somebody outdoors. However, it is obvious that the Hasselblad was designed for studio and indoor shooters like wedding photographers etc (BTW like most MF equipment). Another camera that comes to mind is the Contax 645. Perhaps the only MF equipment that is meant for and marketed towards outdoor use is the Pentax MF cameras Pål
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
- Original Message - From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16 mPix sensor. Isn't it 18? Pål
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Quoting Ronald Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi Jostein, > > Its intersting to hear about H1 being used by outdoor photographer. I > would be very interested if you could ask your friend if its usable in > low temperatures? Are we getting into the age when only old "obsolete" > cameras can be used for a longer period in cold climates say -30C? Even > so, if the Pentax 45D will be below 1$ this will be a hit because > Blad digital is expensive. I will try to grab him next time I see him. We don't meet very often, but hopefully once between now and Christmas. Any battery dependent camera will have trouble after a while in -30 C. But then again so will the human body...:-) So far, I have been less enduring than any of my cameras at -20 C, including the *istD. There's more than price to it to create a hit in the marketplace, but if the quality standard of the 645Nii is continued with the D, I'm happy. My hopes for street price is around USD 7500, but that's only a daydream...:-) Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Hi Jostein, Its intersting to hear about H1 being used by outdoor photographer. I would be very interested if you could ask your friend if its usable in low temperatures? Are we getting into the age when only old "obsolete" cameras can be used for a longer period in cold climates say -30C? Even so, if the Pentax 45D will be below 1$ this will be a hit because Blad digital is expensive. Cheers, Ronald Jostein wrote: Quoting Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: - Original Message - From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system? Would it be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines, deserts or wet conditions? In my opinion the Hasselblad is strictly a studio item... Not much substance provided to that opinion? I know a professional nature photographer using H1 for his work. You can have a look at his work on the Samfoto website; his name is Svein Grønvold. Since he's dependent on his tool for his income, he'd be out of business if it was "strictly a studio item". Most of the film-based MedFs had a problem with sealing around the detachable magazines. The Pentax 645 insert solution was much better in this respect, and also providing more rigor to the body itself compared to the competition. I was curious to hear if the H1 was somewhat better in this respect than was the old 6x6 'Blad systems, but apparently it's neither worse nor better. For Norewgian conditions, I'm very sceptical to the use of triple-A batteries. They are more sensitive to low temperatures than larger cells. I will see if I can pose Svein some questions about this. :-) Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
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Quoting "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Word is that the new Hassy is made by Fuji. They didn't so much desert > Zeiss as desert themselves... I thought the only thing left of Hasselblad was the trade name? Wasn't it Imacon who bought Hasselblad, rather than a likeworthy fusion? It seems like Imacon is the deserting part here, if deserting is an appropriate term at all... Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Quoting Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Original Message - > From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system? > > Would it > > be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines, > > deserts or wet conditions? > > In my opinion the Hasselblad is strictly a studio item... Not much substance provided to that opinion? I know a professional nature photographer using H1 for his work. You can have a look at his work on the Samfoto website; his name is Svein Grønvold. Since he's dependent on his tool for his income, he'd be out of business if it was "strictly a studio item". Most of the film-based MedFs had a problem with sealing around the detachable magazines. The Pentax 645 insert solution was much better in this respect, and also providing more rigor to the body itself compared to the competition. I was curious to hear if the H1 was somewhat better in this respect than was the old 6x6 'Blad systems, but apparently it's neither worse nor better. For Norewgian conditions, I'm very sceptical to the use of triple-A batteries. They are more sensitive to low temperatures than larger cells. I will see if I can pose Svein some questions about this. :-) Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Quoting "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Since you can change backs on the H1 you can always get the Kodak 16mp > MP back for it. Sure. In case you don't know, the announced Pentax MedF digital will have a 16 mPix sensor. That's my reason for pulling that figure out of the hat. Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Quoting Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Like the its fore-fathers this is a rugged metal body, > although it is covered with some sort of plastic grey/black > to give it a look of a modern DSLR. I would be loathe to > take this to the beach or a dusty environment as it does > not seem to be well sealed like a 35mm and it would be too > easy for particles to get between the back and the body. In the film world, that's exactly what made the Pentax 645 stand out from the crowd. It is much better suited for harsh environments than is any of the competition. It surprises me somewhat that the H1 does not have any sealing, but it sort of confirms the impression that this is a camera that can't be taken further out of the studion than to cover fashion shows and the occasional wedding. So Canon still has the high-megapixel outdoor photography market to themselves Jostein This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Yes, The Swedish era appear to be ending. Nevertheless, the design of the H1 was the product of the old firm. However, the digital evolution, speed and need of money to survive the initial years of change brought forward this change. Still the new H1 is a very good camera. One should remember that the japanese camera manufactrrs have had a similar development with a lot of assembleing in other parts of Asia. Even the old Blads - not all stuff was made in Sweden for those - even though amount made in house and out of their own plants was far less than its now.. Ronald Bob Shell wrote: On Dec 1, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: Word is that the new Hassy is made by Fuji. You mean the actual body? Surely the "digital" bits are by Imacon? They didn't so much desert Zeiss and desert themselves... Lenses and film magazines are from Fuji. Body is assembled by Hasselblad from parts made by Minolta (prism, metering system, focusing screen) and other Asian suppliers. Assembly is being moved from Sweden to Denmark (Imacon). There are so few employees left at the Swedish facility that each one has the square meters of a very large house!! I suspect it won't be too long before the Swedish operation is shut down entirely. End of an era, for sure. Bob
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
On Dec 1, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: Word is that the new Hassy is made by Fuji. You mean the actual body? Surely the "digital" bits are by Imacon? They didn't so much desert Zeiss and desert themselves... Lenses and film magazines are from Fuji. Body is assembled by Hasselblad from parts made by Minolta (prism, metering system, focusing screen) and other Asian suppliers. Assembly is being moved from Sweden to Denmark (Imacon). There are so few employees left at the Swedish facility that each one has the square meters of a very large house!! I suspect it won't be too long before the Swedish operation is shut down entirely. End of an era, for sure. Bob
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P. J. Alling wrote: Word is that the new Hassy is made by Fuji. You mean the actual body? Surely the "digital" bits are by Imacon? They didn't so much desert Zeiss and desert themselves...
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
that should be "as" desert themselves... P. J. Alling wrote: Word is that the new Hassy is made by Fuji. They didn't so much desert Zeiss and desert themselves... Ronald Arvidsson wrote: Hi, Thanks for the review Kevin. I'm sick of such a camrea myself having had an old 2000FC with assorted lenses for years together with my Pentax equipment. The camera with digital back got a very good review in the Swedish magazine FOTO where they concluded that it offered a superior image in terms of resolution and noise compared to the top of the notch Canon. The oldrule still is valid - the bigger the better- However with one exception - that is the lack of antialiasing filter whichmight give moire at times. This is due t the fact that the lenses have a higher resolution than the lenses and thus cannot sample all the details (accurately) that the lenses put on the sensor. An old known problem in signal analysis. However, they concluded that this was not really a major problem and that the advantages outweighed the disadvantages. I would be curious to hear your experience on this with highly detailed subjects further on. Yes its a bit strange they deserted Zeiss. It could have been that at a time Zeiss thought that they could not produce high quality AF optics - again accroding to FOTO (Swedish magazine if I remeber correctly). Actually some of the most recent Blad optics for their old line was not made by Zeiss either. It turned out that they had started some devlopment - design of optics - with modern software - the could give them the optical quality they were looking for. The magazine FOTO claimed in on sentence - that the new lenses for H1/H2 were as good or maybe even better than the old. If the camera is as rugged as the old Hasselbads then one should be able to take them anywhere - but Josteins might be right - maybe dust could be a problem? With old Blads this is not any problem. I've used mine in environments rangin from -40C up to +30C from snow to beach - however one needs to be careful particularly at the beach. One always should. As for backpacking - I do it with some 5 kilos of Blad eequipment and add som Pentax gear to that. It works but is of course not as fast as moving around with a much smaller 35mm/APSC-digi stuff. Cheers Ronald Jostein Thu, 01 Dec 2005 04:00:14 -0800 Thanks for a very comprehensive report, Kevin. Very interesting to read what to expect from a MedF digital over the current APS size offerings from Pentax. If the Pentax digital 645 materialises, this is probably what it has to match. At least in terms of noise characteristics, AF performance and interface. Even if the Pentax sensor size will be "only" 16 Mpix, it will be sufficient for most uses. Do you have any idea about the battery performance of the H1 kit? Using triple-As sound like a short-lived solution...:-) Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system? Would it be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines, deserts or wet conditions? Cheers, Jostein Quoting Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I took the H1 for a test drive today and I must say I was thoroughly impressed. >From the moment I first held it, the feeling of the camera let the operator know this was not a toy. Looking through the view finder I found it to be a vast improvement from that offered by pentax. The view was light and bright, even under low light it was easy to find an edge to work with. A change from the tradition backs of the blads, no darkslide is needed when changing backs, very convenient when working in the dark. The digital back offers a 22 megapixel 48.9mm x 36.7mm sensor and various backs have various sizes available. The Kodak back is 22 megapixel 36mm x 36mm. This is a welcome change from the APS size as it allows much better cropping. The first big hit comes with CF cards, each image is 96Meg but it does allow saving in PS's DMG format. Also the ability to hook up firewire directly to a computer/laptop is something I believe all "pro" models should have. If you have anything less than a 2 gig card, you need to start spending. This is a real plus for the APS size images as it affords much cheaper and smaller CF cards. Another plus in the Pentax camp was the use of AA batteries, the H1 uses 3 CR-123 lithium batteries or an extension which carries 8 AAA batteries. There is not a large range of lenses available and I spent my time with the 80mm f2.8 as this is something I am familiar with in low light. There is nowhere near the range of AF lenses available for Pentax. What impressed me instantly was the Auto Focus speed. This was a vast improvement on Pentax, although it did struggle with object coming directly at the camera. The AF in low light was impressive also. In situations where the *istD spent its time hunting, the H1 nailed it and had the image on disk. A great gain was the ISO ratin
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Word is that the new Hassy is made by Fuji. They didn't so much desert Zeiss and desert themselves... Ronald Arvidsson wrote: Hi, Thanks for the review Kevin. I'm sick of such a camrea myself having had an old 2000FC with assorted lenses for years together with my Pentax equipment. The camera with digital back got a very good review in the Swedish magazine FOTO where they concluded that it offered a superior image in terms of resolution and noise compared to the top of the notch Canon. The oldrule still is valid - the bigger the better- However with one exception - that is the lack of antialiasing filter whichmight give moire at times. This is due t the fact that the lenses have a higher resolution than the lenses and thus cannot sample all the details (accurately) that the lenses put on the sensor. An old known problem in signal analysis. However, they concluded that this was not really a major problem and that the advantages outweighed the disadvantages. I would be curious to hear your experience on this with highly detailed subjects further on. Yes its a bit strange they deserted Zeiss. It could have been that at a time Zeiss thought that they could not produce high quality AF optics - again accroding to FOTO (Swedish magazine if I remeber correctly). Actually some of the most recent Blad optics for their old line was not made by Zeiss either. It turned out that they had started some devlopment - design of optics - with modern software - the could give them the optical quality they were looking for. The magazine FOTO claimed in on sentence - that the new lenses for H1/H2 were as good or maybe even better than the old. If the camera is as rugged as the old Hasselbads then one should be able to take them anywhere - but Josteins might be right - maybe dust could be a problem? With old Blads this is not any problem. I've used mine in environments rangin from -40C up to +30C from snow to beach - however one needs to be careful particularly at the beach. One always should. As for backpacking - I do it with some 5 kilos of Blad eequipment and add som Pentax gear to that. It works but is of course not as fast as moving around with a much smaller 35mm/APSC-digi stuff. Cheers Ronald Jostein Thu, 01 Dec 2005 04:00:14 -0800 Thanks for a very comprehensive report, Kevin. Very interesting to read what to expect from a MedF digital over the current APS size offerings from Pentax. If the Pentax digital 645 materialises, this is probably what it has to match. At least in terms of noise characteristics, AF performance and interface. Even if the Pentax sensor size will be "only" 16 Mpix, it will be sufficient for most uses. Do you have any idea about the battery performance of the H1 kit? Using triple-As sound like a short-lived solution...:-) Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system? Would it be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines, deserts or wet conditions? Cheers, Jostein Quoting Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I took the H1 for a test drive today and I must say I was thoroughly impressed. >From the moment I first held it, the feeling of the camera let the operator know this was not a toy. Looking through the view finder I found it to be a vast improvement from that offered by pentax. The view was light and bright, even under low light it was easy to find an edge to work with. A change from the tradition backs of the blads, no darkslide is needed when changing backs, very convenient when working in the dark. The digital back offers a 22 megapixel 48.9mm x 36.7mm sensor and various backs have various sizes available. The Kodak back is 22 megapixel 36mm x 36mm. This is a welcome change from the APS size as it allows much better cropping. The first big hit comes with CF cards, each image is 96Meg but it does allow saving in PS's DMG format. Also the ability to hook up firewire directly to a computer/laptop is something I believe all "pro" models should have. If you have anything less than a 2 gig card, you need to start spending. This is a real plus for the APS size images as it affords much cheaper and smaller CF cards. Another plus in the Pentax camp was the use of AA batteries, the H1 uses 3 CR-123 lithium batteries or an extension which carries 8 AAA batteries. There is not a large range of lenses available and I spent my time with the 80mm f2.8 as this is something I am familiar with in low light. There is nowhere near the range of AF lenses available for Pentax. What impressed me instantly was the Auto Focus speed. This was a vast improvement on Pentax, although it did struggle with object coming directly at the camera. The AF in low light was impressive also. In situations where the *istD spent its time hunting, the H1 nailed it and had the image on disk. A great gain was the ISO rating which is available up to 6400. I have use the *istD at 3200 and t
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Hi, Thanks for the review Kevin. I'm sick of such a camrea myself having had an old 2000FC with assorted lenses for years together with my Pentax equipment. The camera with digital back got a very good review in the Swedish magazine FOTO where they concluded that it offered a superior image in terms of resolution and noise compared to the top of the notch Canon. The oldrule still is valid - the bigger the better- However with one exception - that is the lack of antialiasing filter whichmight give moire at times. This is due t the fact that the lenses have a higher resolution than the lenses and thus cannot sample all the details (accurately) that the lenses put on the sensor. An old known problem in signal analysis. However, they concluded that this was not really a major problem and that the advantages outweighed the disadvantages. I would be curious to hear your experience on this with highly detailed subjects further on. Yes its a bit strange they deserted Zeiss. It could have been that at a time Zeiss thought that they could not produce high quality AF optics - again accroding to FOTO (Swedish magazine if I remeber correctly). Actually some of the most recent Blad optics for their old line was not made by Zeiss either. It turned out that they had started some devlopment - design of optics - with modern software - the could give them the optical quality they were looking for. The magazine FOTO claimed in on sentence - that the new lenses for H1/H2 were as good or maybe even better than the old. If the camera is as rugged as the old Hasselbads then one should be able to take them anywhere - but Josteins might be right - maybe dust could be a problem? With old Blads this is not any problem. I've used mine in environments rangin from -40C up to +30C from snow to beach - however one needs to be careful particularly at the beach. One always should. As for backpacking - I do it with some 5 kilos of Blad eequipment and add som Pentax gear to that. It works but is of course not as fast as moving around with a much smaller 35mm/APSC-digi stuff. Cheers Ronald Jostein Thu, 01 Dec 2005 04:00:14 -0800 Thanks for a very comprehensive report, Kevin. Very interesting to read what to expect from a MedF digital over the current APS size offerings from Pentax. If the Pentax digital 645 materialises, this is probably what it has to match. At least in terms of noise characteristics, AF performance and interface. Even if the Pentax sensor size will be "only" 16 Mpix, it will be sufficient for most uses. Do you have any idea about the battery performance of the H1 kit? Using triple-As sound like a short-lived solution...:-) Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system? Would it be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines, deserts or wet conditions? Cheers, Jostein Quoting Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I took the H1 for a test drive today and I must say I was thoroughly impressed. >From the moment I first held it, the feeling of the camera let the operator know this was not a toy. Looking through the view finder I found it to be a vast improvement from that offered by pentax. The view was light and bright, even under low light it was easy to find an edge to work with. A change from the tradition backs of the blads, no darkslide is needed when changing backs, very convenient when working in the dark. The digital back offers a 22 megapixel 48.9mm x 36.7mm sensor and various backs have various sizes available. The Kodak back is 22 megapixel 36mm x 36mm. This is a welcome change from the APS size as it allows much better cropping. The first big hit comes with CF cards, each image is 96Meg but it does allow saving in PS's DMG format. Also the ability to hook up firewire directly to a computer/laptop is something I believe all "pro" models should have. If you have anything less than a 2 gig card, you need to start spending. This is a real plus for the APS size images as it affords much cheaper and smaller CF cards. Another plus in the Pentax camp was the use of AA batteries, the H1 uses 3 CR-123 lithium batteries or an extension which carries 8 AAA batteries. There is not a large range of lenses available and I spent my time with the 80mm f2.8 as this is something I am familiar with in low light. There is nowhere near the range of AF lenses available for Pentax. What impressed me instantly was the Auto Focus speed. This was a vast improvement on Pentax, although it did struggle with object coming directly at the camera. The AF in low light was impressive also. In situations where the *istD spent its time hunting, the H1 nailed it and had the image on disk. A great gain was the ISO rating which is available up to 6400. I have use the *istD at 3200 and the image is horribly noisy. The Blad was not totally clean at 6400 but gave a good result, and at 3200 was comparable with the 800 of the Pentax. On using a strobe w
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
This one time, at band camp, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have any idea about the battery performance of the H1 kit? Using > triple-As sound like a short-lived solution...:-) No, I have no insight to the battery choices of Hasselblad > > Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system? Would it > be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines, > deserts or wet conditions? Like the its fore-fathers this is a rugged metal body, although it is covered with some sort of plastic grey/black to give it a look of a modern DSLR. I would be loathe to take this to the beach or a dusty environment as it does not seem to be well sealed like a 35mm and it would be too easy for particles to get between the back and the body. Kind regards Kevin -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Since you can change backs on the H1 you can always get the Kodak 16mp MP back for it. Jostein wrote: Thanks for a very comprehensive report, Kevin. Very interesting to read what to expect from a MedF digital over the current APS size offerings from Pentax. If the Pentax digital 645 materialises, this is probably what it has to match. At least in terms of noise characteristics, AF performance and interface. Even if the Pentax sensor size will be "only" 16 Mpix, it will be sufficient for most uses. Do you have any idea about the battery performance of the H1 kit? Using triple-As sound like a short-lived solution...:-) Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system? Would it be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines, deserts or wet conditions? Cheers, Jostein Quoting Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I took the H1 for a test drive today and I must say I was thoroughly impressed. From the moment I first held it, the feeling of the camera let the operator know this was not a toy. Looking through the view finder I found it to be a vast improvement from that offered by pentax. The view was light and bright, even under low light it was easy to find an edge to work with. A change from the tradition backs of the blads, no darkslide is needed when changing backs, very convenient when working in the dark. The digital back offers a 22 megapixel 48.9mm x 36.7mm sensor and various backs have various sizes available. The Kodak back is 22 megapixel 36mm x 36mm. This is a welcome change from the APS size as it allows much better cropping. The first big hit comes with CF cards, each image is 96Meg but it does allow saving in PS's DMG format. Also the ability to hook up firewire directly to a computer/laptop is something I believe all "pro" models should have. If you have anything less than a 2 gig card, you need to start spending. This is a real plus for the APS size images as it affords much cheaper and smaller CF cards. Another plus in the Pentax camp was the use of AA batteries, the H1 uses 3 CR-123 lithium batteries or an extension which carries 8 AAA batteries. There is not a large range of lenses available and I spent my time with the 80mm f2.8 as this is something I am familiar with in low light. There is nowhere near the range of AF lenses available for Pentax. What impressed me instantly was the Auto Focus speed. This was a vast improvement on Pentax, although it did struggle with object coming directly at the camera. The AF in low light was impressive also. In situations where the *istD spent its time hunting, the H1 nailed it and had the image on disk. A great gain was the ISO rating which is available up to 6400. I have use the *istD at 3200 and the image is horribly noisy. The Blad was not totally clean at 6400 but gave a good result, and at 3200 was comparable with the 800 of the Pentax. On using a strobe with the H1 flash was available at all speeds A pointless addition to the H1 is a pop-up flash with a guide number of 12. Although I could see where this may be useful in triggering other flashes... maybe. Flash was available at all speeds. The button to stop down the lense is almost in-accessble for my fingers, I hope this changes at some time. When comparing the controls to the Pentax I find the Pentax more intuitive, perhaps that comes from years of use, but navigating the Blad menu system was not too difficult and with little effort I could access the settings I needed. I guess the losses are in wieght, at about 2kg this is not something you would wear around your neck while hiking, although the design seems to invite that. I found myself constantly comparing with the 6x7 (something I will never part with). Other loses are in FPS at just under 2fps this is not a fast capture. The loss of AA batteries and the added cost of new AAA packs, and the added cost of new and larger CF cards, I would consider 4gig a reasonable size, make for some additional costs to this not cheap camera. The kit I am looking at comes in at $AUD40,000.00 although much of this cost is in the digital back. (film backs are available). The lenses are designed by Hasselblad and made by Fuji, Bokeh is BAD. Pentax glass has it all over these lenses if the 80mm 2.8 is anything to go by. I dont know why they chose Fuji as Contax usses Zeiss and they have a much better offering in lenses. On the plus side, the extra sensor size/mp is a welcome change and the ultra-fast AF is what I really was testing for. I passed this test easily, and could even focus on a fly on a black backdrop without hunting. In all I was impressed with the AF system in low light, which is what I was looking for but at $40k I will take look at the Contax before committing, unless of course Pentax comes up with a 645D with a new or improved AF system. Kind regards Kevin -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb conte
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
- Original Message - From: "Jostein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system? Would it be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines, deserts or wet conditions? In my opinion the Hasselblad is strictly a studio item... Pål
Re: H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
Thanks for a very comprehensive report, Kevin. Very interesting to read what to expect from a MedF digital over the current APS size offerings from Pentax. If the Pentax digital 645 materialises, this is probably what it has to match. At least in terms of noise characteristics, AF performance and interface. Even if the Pentax sensor size will be "only" 16 Mpix, it will be sufficient for most uses. Do you have any idea about the battery performance of the H1 kit? Using triple-As sound like a short-lived solution...:-) Also, do you have any thoughts about the ruggedness of the H1 system? Would it be possible to expose a H1 to more hostile environments, like shorelines, deserts or wet conditions? Cheers, Jostein Quoting Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I took the H1 for a test drive today and I must say I was thoroughly > impressed. > >From the moment I first held it, the feeling of the camera let the operator > know > this was not a toy. Looking through the view finder I found it to be a vast > improvement from that offered by pentax. The view was light and bright, even > under low light it was easy to find an edge to work with. > > A change from the tradition backs of the blads, no darkslide is needed when > changing backs, very convenient when working in the dark. The digital back > offers a 22 megapixel 48.9mm x 36.7mm sensor and various backs have various > sizes available. > The Kodak back is 22 megapixel 36mm x 36mm. This is a welcome change from the > APS size as it allows > much better cropping. > > The first big hit comes with CF cards, each image is 96Meg but it does allow > saving in PS's DMG format. Also the ability to hook up firewire directly to a > > computer/laptop is something I believe all "pro" models should have. If you > have anything less than a 2 gig card, you need to start spending. This is a > real plus for the APS size images as it affords much cheaper and smaller CF > cards. > > Another plus in the Pentax camp was the use of AA batteries, the H1 uses > 3 CR-123 lithium batteries or an extension which carries 8 AAA batteries. > > There is not a large range of lenses available and I spent my time with the > 80mm f2.8 as this is something I am familiar with in low light. There is > nowhere > near the range of AF lenses available for Pentax. > > What impressed me instantly was the Auto Focus speed. This was a vast > improvement > on Pentax, although it did struggle with object coming directly at the > camera. > The AF in low light was impressive also. In situations where the *istD spent > its > time hunting, the H1 nailed it and had the image on disk. > > A great gain was the ISO rating which is available up to 6400. I have use the > *istD > at 3200 and the image is horribly noisy. The Blad was not totally clean at > 6400 but > gave a good result, and at 3200 was comparable with the 800 of the Pentax. > On using a strobe with the H1 flash was available at all speeds > > A pointless addition to the H1 is a pop-up flash with a guide number of 12. > Although I could see where this may be useful in triggering other flashes... > maybe. > Flash was available at all speeds. > > The button to stop down the lense is almost in-accessble for my fingers, I > hope this > changes at some time. When comparing the controls to the Pentax I find the > Pentax more > intuitive, perhaps that comes from years of use, but navigating the Blad menu > system > was not too difficult and with little effort I could access the settings I > needed. > > I guess the losses are in wieght, at about 2kg this is not something you > would wear > around your neck while hiking, although the design seems to invite that. I > found > myself constantly comparing with the 6x7 (something I will never part with). > > Other loses are in FPS at just under 2fps this is not a fast capture. The > loss > of AA batteries and the added cost of new AAA packs, and the added cost of > new > and larger CF cards, I would consider 4gig a reasonable size, make for some > additional costs to this not cheap camera. The kit I am looking at comes in > at $AUD40,000.00 although much of this cost is in the digital back. (film > backs are available). > The lenses are designed by Hasselblad and made by Fuji, Bokeh is BAD. Pentax > glass has it > all over these lenses if the 80mm 2.8 is anything to go by. I dont know why > they chose Fuji > as Contax usses Zeiss and they have a much better offering in lenses. > > On the plus side, the extra sensor size/mp is a welcome change and the > ultra-fast AF > is what I really was testing for. I passed this test easily, and could even > focus on > a fly on a black backdrop without hunting. > > In all I was impressed with the AF system in low light, which is what I was > looking for > but at $40k I will take look at the Contax before committing, unless of > course Pentax comes up with a > 645D with a new or improved AF system. > > Kind regards > Kevin > -- > "Democracy is two wolves an
H1 Blad - some gains, some loses
I took the H1 for a test drive today and I must say I was thoroughly impressed. >From the moment I first held it, the feeling of the camera let the operator >know this was not a toy. Looking through the view finder I found it to be a vast improvement from that offered by pentax. The view was light and bright, even under low light it was easy to find an edge to work with. A change from the tradition backs of the blads, no darkslide is needed when changing backs, very convenient when working in the dark. The digital back offers a 22 megapixel 48.9mm x 36.7mm sensor and various backs have various sizes available. The Kodak back is 22 megapixel 36mm x 36mm. This is a welcome change from the APS size as it allows much better cropping. The first big hit comes with CF cards, each image is 96Meg but it does allow saving in PS's DMG format. Also the ability to hook up firewire directly to a computer/laptop is something I believe all "pro" models should have. If you have anything less than a 2 gig card, you need to start spending. This is a real plus for the APS size images as it affords much cheaper and smaller CF cards. Another plus in the Pentax camp was the use of AA batteries, the H1 uses 3 CR-123 lithium batteries or an extension which carries 8 AAA batteries. There is not a large range of lenses available and I spent my time with the 80mm f2.8 as this is something I am familiar with in low light. There is nowhere near the range of AF lenses available for Pentax. What impressed me instantly was the Auto Focus speed. This was a vast improvement on Pentax, although it did struggle with object coming directly at the camera. The AF in low light was impressive also. In situations where the *istD spent its time hunting, the H1 nailed it and had the image on disk. A great gain was the ISO rating which is available up to 6400. I have use the *istD at 3200 and the image is horribly noisy. The Blad was not totally clean at 6400 but gave a good result, and at 3200 was comparable with the 800 of the Pentax. On using a strobe with the H1 flash was available at all speeds A pointless addition to the H1 is a pop-up flash with a guide number of 12. Although I could see where this may be useful in triggering other flashes... maybe. Flash was available at all speeds. The button to stop down the lense is almost in-accessble for my fingers, I hope this changes at some time. When comparing the controls to the Pentax I find the Pentax more intuitive, perhaps that comes from years of use, but navigating the Blad menu system was not too difficult and with little effort I could access the settings I needed. I guess the losses are in wieght, at about 2kg this is not something you would wear around your neck while hiking, although the design seems to invite that. I found myself constantly comparing with the 6x7 (something I will never part with). Other loses are in FPS at just under 2fps this is not a fast capture. The loss of AA batteries and the added cost of new AAA packs, and the added cost of new and larger CF cards, I would consider 4gig a reasonable size, make for some additional costs to this not cheap camera. The kit I am looking at comes in at $AUD40,000.00 although much of this cost is in the digital back. (film backs are available). The lenses are designed by Hasselblad and made by Fuji, Bokeh is BAD. Pentax glass has it all over these lenses if the 80mm 2.8 is anything to go by. I dont know why they chose Fuji as Contax usses Zeiss and they have a much better offering in lenses. On the plus side, the extra sensor size/mp is a welcome change and the ultra-fast AF is what I really was testing for. I passed this test easily, and could even focus on a fly on a black backdrop without hunting. In all I was impressed with the AF system in low light, which is what I was looking for but at $40k I will take look at the Contax before committing, unless of course Pentax comes up with a 645D with a new or improved AF system. Kind regards Kevin -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
