Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Ken Waller]

Jerome
FWIW, I'm now using a Gitzo 1548 CF tripod & the Kirk King Cobra gimbal 
head. I have no issues with the package other than the total weight of the 
system. I initially had an old Gitzo 1410 that also worked well with the 
setup. Igot the 1548 to reduce some of the weight I had to lug around.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Jerome" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs


> Christine,
>
> Thanks for the reply. For my lighter, less expensive tripod (3221) I do
> have the tool you mentioned  and know exactly what you're talking about...
> but that doesn't seem to work for the 3036 for whatever reason. The legs
> just keep on sliding...
>
> Thanks though. Hopefully Manfrotto / Bogen Co. will have some good news
> for me. Or maybe one of the big glass wielders like Cassino or Waller will
> chime in with a similar experience.
>
> ... ?
>
>
>> Jerome:  This happened to me on a different tripod & I had to take it to
>> the
>> camera shop to have someone tighten the lever screws.  Also, I don't know
>> about your tripod, but it turned out I had a little plastic screw driver
>> gizmo that was attached to my tripod leg, which I can now use (now that
>> I'm
>> aware that it's there) to tighten lever screws.  I have one of those
>> tripods
>> from Calumet Photo, not a fancy name brand, but maybe since you have
>> levers,
>> this might fix your problem.  My problem is now fixed.  Haven't had any
>> problems.  HTH.
>> Cheers, Christine


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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Ken Waller]

Sounds to me like you may have some contaminents on the legs, reducing the 
friction necessary to keep from sliding.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jerome" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs


> Set up in question: Bogen 3036 tripod with the 400mm f2.8 lens.
>
> Problem: I'll set it up, lock all the levers, and 4 seconds later the
> tripod starts to sink to one side. Whats happening is that the leg
> sections are starting to slide and collapse into each other despite all of
> the locks being tightly secured. On the lighter tripod I use for hiking
> (3221) I can tighten things up with the hexagon shaped thingamajig and I'm
> back in business, but that doesn't seem to work for the 3036. The latter
> tripod seems to use more of a hydraulic system for controlling the legs
> rather than just the screw-and-hold system of the former. So does this
> mean that the hydraulics are just shot and I'm outta luck?
>
> I tried a Google search but maybe I'm not using the right terms. I've also
> sent an email to Manfrotto, but I thought I'd ask here while I wait for a
> response. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.


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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerome"
Subject: Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs


>> So it's nothing like this?:
>>
>> <http://www.manfrotto.com/Jahia/spareparts/site/manfrotto/pid/751>
>
> I suppose that it is, but I guess my point was that everything is already
> tight, and the problem has not be remedied. And so I'm hesitant to take it
> apart just for the sake of taking it apart. I see the value of this in the
> snap-lock design that that William mentioned, but not so much for this
> one. But it's very possible that I have no clue what I'm talking about...
>
> Manfrotto sent me a "we'll get back to you" email... but no definitive
> answer yet. Nonetheless, at the end of the day if I prove to be clueless
> and just have to adjust and tighten things more, then I would not be
> surprised. Thanks either way, David.


Something you could try (though I wouldn't trust the life of a 400/2.8 to this) 
is to take the 
legs apart and thoroughly clean them with acetone or some other powerful and 
non residual 
cleaner/degreaser.
I'd clean the leg locks too, but do test any solvents on some part that isn't 
going to render 
the entire rig useless if it turns out that it melts plastic.

William Robb 


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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Jerome]

> So it's nothing like this?:
>
> 

I suppose that it is, but I guess my point was that everything is already
tight, and the problem has not be remedied. And so I'm hesitant to take it
apart just for the sake of taking it apart. I see the value of this in the
snap-lock design that that William mentioned, but not so much for this
one. But it's very possible that I have no clue what I'm talking about...

Manfrotto sent me a "we'll get back to you" email... but no definitive
answer yet. Nonetheless, at the end of the day if I prove to be clueless
and just have to adjust and tighten things more, then I would not be
surprised. Thanks either way, David.

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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Christine Aguila]

Big thanks, for the info, William.  When I'm ready to drop-kick my current 
tripod, I'm going to definitely check out the wood tirpods. I'll let you 
know what I find. Big Cheers, Christine


- Original Message - 
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs


>
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christine Aguila"
> Subject: Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs
>
>
>> William:  As a general rule, do you prefer wood tripods to the other 
>> stuff?
>> I've been intrigued by the wood tripod, but don't know much about them.
>
> The wood tripod has advantages and disadvantages. They are very good at 
> absorbing vibration, but
> they tend to be HEAVY when compared to an aluminium tripod or even more, 
> to a carbon fibre
> tripod of similar height and load carrying ability.
> I haven't looked to see whats available in woodfor quite some time.  I am 
> pretty sure the Zone
> VI tripods are no longer available new, and I doubt that they are easily 
> found on the used
> market either. Berlenbach used to be very good, they would be a good brand 
> to look at as well.
> If you are looking for a high end tripod (wood is definitely high end), 
> then also look at the
> carbon fibre ones as well. They are almost as good as wood for damping 
> vibration, and weigh a
> lot less.
> I don't know about cost comparisons. Gitzo makes good ones, I am sure 
> there are others out
> there, possibly better or more cost effective than Gizo.
>
> I do own a couple of metal tripods, a Montrotto 028 with an 029 (229 now), 
> which has given me
> little to complain about, other than the lower column stabilizer falling 
> apart in front of Tom
> Cakalic a few years ago.
> I never did get it reassembled, I suppose I should.
> I also have a Manfrotto 055 with what would now be a 115 head. It has the 
> same problem as
> Jerome's tripod, with the added bonus feature of a self welding head.
> I did find a grease at the auto parts store that is supposed to prevent 
> dielectric welding. I
> must see if it fixes that problem sometime.
>
> William Robb
>
>
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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[David Savage]

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 9:43 AM, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I did find a grease at the auto parts store that is supposed to prevent 
> dielectric welding. I
>  must see if it fixes that problem sometime.

Coppacoat based grease works great too to prevent parts seizing.

Cheers,

Dave

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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[David Savage]

So it's nothing like this?:



Cheers,

Dave

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Jerome <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Set up in question: Bogen 3036 tripod with the 400mm f2.8 lens.
>
>  Problem: I'll set it up, lock all the levers, and 4 seconds later the
>  tripod starts to sink to one side. Whats happening is that the leg
>  sections are starting to slide and collapse into each other despite all of
>  the locks being tightly secured. On the lighter tripod I use for hiking
>  (3221) I can tighten things up with the hexagon shaped thingamajig and I'm
>  back in business, but that doesn't seem to work for the 3036. The latter
>  tripod seems to use more of a hydraulic system for controlling the legs
>  rather than just the screw-and-hold system of the former. So does this
>  mean that the hydraulics are just shot and I'm outta luck?
>
>  I tried a Google search but maybe I'm not using the right terms. I've also
>  sent an email to Manfrotto, but I thought I'd ask here while I wait for a
>  response. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Christine Aguila"
Subject: Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs


> William:  As a general rule, do you prefer wood tripods to the other stuff?
> I've been intrigued by the wood tripod, but don't know much about them.

The wood tripod has advantages and disadvantages. They are very good at 
absorbing vibration, but 
they tend to be HEAVY when compared to an aluminium tripod or even more, to a 
carbon fibre 
tripod of similar height and load carrying ability.
I haven't looked to see whats available in woodfor quite some time.  I am 
pretty sure the Zone 
VI tripods are no longer available new, and I doubt that they are easily found 
on the used 
market either. Berlenbach used to be very good, they would be a good brand to 
look at as well.
If you are looking for a high end tripod (wood is definitely high end), then 
also look at the 
carbon fibre ones as well. They are almost as good as wood for damping 
vibration, and weigh a 
lot less.
I don't know about cost comparisons. Gitzo makes good ones, I am sure there are 
others out 
there, possibly better or more cost effective than Gizo.

I do own a couple of metal tripods, a Montrotto 028 with an 029 (229 now), 
which has given me 
little to complain about, other than the lower column stabilizer falling apart 
in front of Tom 
Cakalic a few years ago.
I never did get it reassembled, I suppose I should.
I also have a Manfrotto 055 with what would now be a 115 head. It has the same 
problem as 
Jerome's tripod, with the added bonus feature of a self welding head.
I did find a grease at the auto parts store that is supposed to prevent 
dielectric welding. I 
must see if it fixes that problem sometime.

William Robb 


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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Jerome]

> I don't recall what Ken uses, I think he changed tripods
> since I met him. I use a Zone VI  Standard wood tripod under a
> Wimberley gimbal head with my 600mm lens. It is an excellent
> combination, though it is by no means light.


Wimberley.   (envious sigh). One day I'll try one of those things.

Problem is, I use the 400mm so infrequently that I can barely justify
buying a lens cloth for it, let alone a new tripod or head. I think today
was the first time I used it in about 4 years, if not longer. And if I
can't get this tripod thing figured out, it may be another four before the
next.




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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Christine Aguila]

William:  As a general rule, do you prefer wood tripods to the other stuff? 
I've been intrigued by the wood tripod, but don't know much about them. 
Cheers, Christine


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From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jerome"
> Subject: Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs
>
>
>
>>
>> Thanks though. Hopefully Manfrotto / Bogen Co. will have some good news
>> for me. Or maybe one of the big glass wielders like Cassino or Waller 
>> will
>> chime in with a similar experience.
>
> I don't recall what Ken uses, I think he changed tripods since I met him. 
> I use a Zone VI
> Standard wood tripod under a Wimberley gimbal head with my 600mm lens. It 
> is an excellent
> combination, though it is by no means light.
>
> William Robb
>
>
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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Jerome]

> Manfrotto seems to have used a few different
> styles of leg lock on that tripod, and frankly,
> they all are crap

So... what your saying is that your a huge fan of Bogen tripods, eh?
LOL... Thanks though. You hit it on the head...

> The flip lever style of lock will barely hold the
> weight of the tripod when new 

I guess that's the type I'm talking about, and the other one is the snap
lock that you mentioned. Or do I still have it backwards?  Anyway, I
see your point either way: Your vote is for a different tripod altogether.
Can't say I have the money now (just got the two new DA* lenses) but I'll
keep that in mind. Either way, the damn thing is supposed to hold up to 26
pounds... so it's a little frustrating that it can't do what it's supposed
to (but then I guess that's your point).


> either the 028, which is a very heavy beast,

I cannot even fathom getting a HEAVIER tripod than I already own. As it
stands, the 3036 is about twice my body weight (at least it feels that way
sometimes). Anyhow, thanks again! I'll let you know the verdict.

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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jerome"
Subject: Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs



>
> Thanks though. Hopefully Manfrotto / Bogen Co. will have some good news
> for me. Or maybe one of the big glass wielders like Cassino or Waller will
> chime in with a similar experience.

I don't recall what Ken uses, I think he changed tripods since I met him. I use 
a Zone VI 
Standard wood tripod under a Wimberley gimbal head with my 600mm lens. It is an 
excellent 
combination, though it is by no means light.

William Robb 


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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Jerome]

Christine,

Thanks for the reply. For my lighter, less expensive tripod (3221) I do
have the tool you mentioned  and know exactly what you're talking about...
but that doesn't seem to work for the 3036 for whatever reason. The legs
just keep on sliding...

Thanks though. Hopefully Manfrotto / Bogen Co. will have some good news
for me. Or maybe one of the big glass wielders like Cassino or Waller will
chime in with a similar experience.

... ?


> Jerome:  This happened to me on a different tripod & I had to take it to
> the
> camera shop to have someone tighten the lever screws.  Also, I don't know
> about your tripod, but it turned out I had a little plastic screw driver
> gizmo that was attached to my tripod leg, which I can now use (now that
> I'm
> aware that it's there) to tighten lever screws.  I have one of those
> tripods
> from Calumet Photo, not a fancy name brand, but maybe since you have
> levers,
> this might fix your problem.  My problem is now fixed.  Haven't had any
> problems.  HTH.
> Cheers, Christine


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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[William Robb]

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From: "Jerome"
Subject: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs


> Set up in question: Bogen 3036 tripod with the 400mm f2.8 lens.
>
> Problem: I'll set it up, lock all the levers, and 4 seconds later the
> tripod starts to sink to one side. Whats happening is that the leg
> sections are starting to slide and collapse into each other despite all of
> the locks being tightly secured. On the lighter tripod I use for hiking
> (3221) I can tighten things up with the hexagon shaped thingamajig and I'm
> back in business, but that doesn't seem to work for the 3036. The latter
> tripod seems to use more of a hydraulic system for controlling the legs
> rather than just the screw-and-hold system of the former. So does this
> mean that the hydraulics are just shot and I'm outta luck?
>
> I tried a Google search but maybe I'm not using the right terms. I've also
> sent an email to Manfrotto, but I thought I'd ask here while I wait for a
> response. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Manfrotto seems to have used a few different styles of leg lock on that tripod, 
and frankly, 
they all are crap. The flip lever style of lock will barely hold the weight of 
the tripod when 
new, and just gets worse as the unit wears out, which takes about 3 set up and 
tear down cycles. 
The snap lock is just about as bad, but can't be adjusted to work properly.
I would never trust that tripod with a lens as heavy as a 400/2.8. I think you 
need to look at 
either the 028, which is a very heavy beast, but it at least has decent leg 
locks, or else 
perhaps look at a Gitzo or one of the wood tripods.

William Robb 


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Re: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Christine Aguila]

Jerome:  This happened to me on a different tripod & I had to take it to the 
camera shop to have someone tighten the lever screws.  Also, I don't know 
about your tripod, but it turned out I had a little plastic screw driver 
gizmo that was attached to my tripod leg, which I can now use (now that I'm 
aware that it's there) to tighten lever screws.  I have one of those tripods 
from Calumet Photo, not a fancy name brand, but maybe since you have levers, 
this might fix your problem.  My problem is now fixed.  Haven't had any 
problems.  HTH.
Cheers, Christine


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From: "Jerome" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 6:36 PM
Subject: Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs


> Set up in question: Bogen 3036 tripod with the 400mm f2.8 lens.
>
> Problem: I'll set it up, lock all the levers, and 4 seconds later the
> tripod starts to sink to one side. Whats happening is that the leg
> sections are starting to slide and collapse into each other despite all of
> the locks being tightly secured. On the lighter tripod I use for hiking
> (3221) I can tighten things up with the hexagon shaped thingamajig and I'm
> back in business, but that doesn't seem to work for the 3036. The latter
> tripod seems to use more of a hydraulic system for controlling the legs
> rather than just the screw-and-hold system of the former. So does this
> mean that the hydraulics are just shot and I'm outta luck?
>
> I tried a Google search but maybe I'm not using the right terms. I've also
> sent an email to Manfrotto, but I thought I'd ask here while I wait for a
> response. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>
>
>
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Help Needed: Sliding Bogen tripod legs

[Jerome]

Set up in question: Bogen 3036 tripod with the 400mm f2.8 lens.

Problem: I'll set it up, lock all the levers, and 4 seconds later the
tripod starts to sink to one side. Whats happening is that the leg
sections are starting to slide and collapse into each other despite all of
the locks being tightly secured. On the lighter tripod I use for hiking
(3221) I can tighten things up with the hexagon shaped thingamajig and I'm
back in business, but that doesn't seem to work for the 3036. The latter
tripod seems to use more of a hydraulic system for controlling the legs
rather than just the screw-and-hold system of the former. So does this
mean that the hydraulics are just shot and I'm outta luck?

I tried a Google search but maybe I'm not using the right terms. I've also
sent an email to Manfrotto, but I thought I'd ask here while I wait for a
response. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.




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