Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
On 21 April 2010 03:20, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: That was maliciously cruel. Can there be benevolent cruelty? regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
On 4/21/2010 5:12 AM, Anthony Farr wrote:
On 21 April 2010 03:20, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
That was maliciously cruel.
Can there be benevolent cruelty?
If you're doing if for the victims own good...
regards, Anthony
Of what use is lens and light
to those who lack in mind and sight
(Anon)
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2010/4/21 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: That was maliciously cruel. Can there be benevolent cruelty? If you're doing if for the victims own good... ... or even entertainment... some folks pay for that. It's an ache thing - I wouldn't understand. Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rob Studdert wrote: News today along similar lines: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/21/2879025.htm?section=justin Love the (unrelated) headline in the right-hand sidebar: As European airspace reopens, the rush for the first flights out of Australia begins. Don't blame 'em ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Mark Roberts Rob Studdert wrote: News today along similar lines: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/21/2879025.htm?section=justin Love the (unrelated) headline in the right-hand sidebar: As European airspace reopens, the rush for the first flights out of Australia begins. Don't blame 'em ;-) Something else ... The photo credit says (Flickr: Duane Romanell, file photo) But if you go to Flickr search for Duane Romanell, that photo doesn't appear in his photostream. And I'm curious what's been airbrushed in that photo? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 21/4/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: As European airspace reopens, the rush for the first flights out of Australia begins. Don't blame 'em ;-) LOL. Thanks. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 21:34 , Rob Studdert wrote: On 21/04/2010, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Miserere wrote: Somebody should've told this lady that with great Photoshop power comes great responsibility. I used that line in class today. Class went very well, incidentally. Students were appalled by the Becky Carter site (many looking at in horrified fascination for some time - a bit like a road accident you can't help but stare at). Even the basic portrait enhancement tricks I showed them shocked quite a few with how easy it is to do some of this stuff. Big fun. News today along similar lines: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/21/2879025.htm?section=justin Fly's in the face of face recognition. It's criminal! If it doesn’t excite you, This thing that you see, Why in the world, Would it excite me? —Jay Maisel Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Joseph McAllister Subject: Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors? News today along similar lines: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/21/2879025.htm?section=justin Fly's in the face of face recognition. It's criminal! We did half a dozen schools last year. It's actually quite amazing how many parents asked for retouching services, sometimes quite extensive, on their kid's pictures. Along with the expected zit removal, I removed braces, fixed a lazy eye for a student who was scheduled to have it fixed surgically but wanted her pictures to reflect what she hoped would be the final result, made teeth that were rather disgustingly yellow into white teeth, removed a few scars, etc. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/4/20 Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com: http://photographybykarensonnier.com/karen_003.htm be warned; it isn't pretty. Apparently that niche is large enough for several photographers... :-( http://highglitz.com/gallery/index.html Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Google image search Toddlers and Tiaras and High Glitz I don't think it's all PhotoShop. Looks like they're taking these kids and applying extreme makeup before photographing them and THEN doing extreme PhotoShop makeovers. You know, I'd like to make a living at photography, but I just couldn't do that to kids. It's just wrong. I wonder if there's a gap in the market for doing it to middle-aged men. That would take the notion of good taste to areas previously unexplored. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/04/2010, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently that niche is large enough for several photographers... :-( http://highglitz.com/gallery/index.html Eeeuw, most of those poor little darlings don't look at all happy ;-( -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/4/20 Bob W p...@web-options.com: I don't think it's all PhotoShop. Looks like they're taking these kids and applying extreme makeup before photographing them and THEN doing extreme PhotoShop makeovers. You know, I'd like to make a living at photography, but I just couldn't do that to kids. It's just wrong. I wonder if there's a gap in the market for doing it to middle-aged men. That would take the notion of good taste to areas previously unexplored. Well... As you guys in London hear a lot: mind the gap. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Miserere wrote: I will now delete this thread. What has been seen cannot be unseen. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/4/20 Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com: http://photographybykarensonnier.com/karen_003.htm be warned; it isn't pretty. if you look closely, there are even reflexes missing in some of the poor kids' eyes, bottom right hand is an extremely bad example. Those images all look like Mattel release a Barbie plug-in for Photoshop. Now if only we could get Marvel to release plug-ins for guys... Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/4/20 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: Now if only we could get Marvel to release plug-ins for guys... The Batman look is easier to achieve by styling. Cheers, Joker -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doug Brewer wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as an example of what not to do. http://photographybykarensonnier.com/karen_003.htm be warned; it isn't pretty. It's curious how those images just started to completely creep me out. Maybe if I spray some Lysol in my eyes it'll help me to unsee them. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: 2010/4/20 Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com: http://photographybykarensonnier.com/karen_003.htm be warned; it isn't pretty. Apparently that niche is large enough for several photographers... :-( http://highglitz.com/gallery/index.html Jostein I think that one may be going for irony. Read her bio. I see she's exhibiting at Contact in Toronto in May, so I can see them first-hand if I so desire. Not! ;-) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20 April 2010 08:12, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I think that one may be going for irony. Read her bio. I see she's exhibiting at Contact in Toronto in May, so I can see them first-hand if I so desire. Not! ;-) -bmw Don't forget your pitchfork if you do go. Maybe Frank can photograph you there. Maybe you should show up wearing extreme makeup. Irony works both ways, you know? --M. -- New Gallery: http://WorldOfMiserere.com \/\/o/\/\\/\/o/\/\\/\/o/\/\ http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Miserere wrote: On 20 April 2010 08:12, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I think that one may be going for irony. Read her bio. I see she's exhibiting at Contact in Toronto in May, so I can see them first-hand if I so desire. Not! ;-) -bmw Don't forget your pitchfork if you do go. Maybe Frank can photograph you there. Maybe you should show up wearing extreme makeup. That, in fact, is the *only* way I'd wish to be seen there. :-) What a wonderful, anarchic idea! Irony works both ways, you know? If you mean both smashed buttons *and* burn marks, then I agree. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/20/2010 2:24 AM, AlunFoto wrote:
2010/4/20 Doug Brewerd...@alphoto.com:
http://photographybykarensonnier.com/karen_003.htm
be warned; it isn't pretty.
Apparently that niche is large enough for several photographers... :-(
http://highglitz.com/gallery/index.html
Jostein
Thanks for that, now I have to wash my eyes out with bleach.
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RE: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
From: Bob W Google image search Toddlers and Tiaras and High Glitz I don't think it's all PhotoShop. Looks like they're taking these kids and applying extreme makeup before photographing them and THEN doing extreme PhotoShop makeovers. You know, I'd like to make a living at photography, but I just couldn't do that to kids. It's just wrong. I wonder if there's a gap in the market for doing it to middle-aged men. That would take the notion of good taste to areas previously unexplored. Bob It would make you look like a Ken doll. Would you want that? I can understand women wanting to look glamorous, even if they're trying to achieve an un-natural standard. I just don't think it's good for kids. They ought to be allowed to grow up and make up their own minds what they want to be. Then if they want to be a Barbie Doll, that's fine with me. Different strokes for different folks. I just don't think it's fair to kids. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20 April 2010 12:09, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Then if they want to be a Barbie Doll, that's fine with me. Different strokes for different folks. I just don't think it's fair to kids. Or cats, for that matter, but that hasn't stopped anyone from humiliating them. I expect to soon see LOL Kids popping up on Flickr. --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20/4/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: It would make you look like a Ken doll. Would you want that? Ken Rockwell? http://www.kenrockwell.com/about.htm -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Miserere On 20 April 2010 12:09, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Then if they want to be a Barbie Doll, that's fine with me. Different strokes for different folks. I just don't think it's fair to kids. Or cats, for that matter, but that hasn't stopped anyone from humiliating them. I expect to soon see LOL Kids popping up on Flickr. Curiosity got the better of me, so I put LOL Kids in the search box for Flickr - 27,558 results LOL Cats - 33,615 results -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 20 April 2010 12:46, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Miserere Or cats, for that matter, but that hasn't stopped anyone from humiliating them. I expect to soon see LOL Kids popping up on Flickr. Curiosity got the better of me, so I put LOL Kids in the search box for Flickr - 27,558 results LOL Cats - 33,615 results Anyone want yesterday's lottery numbers predicted? --M. -- \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark! Marnie :-) In a message dated 4/19/2010 6:09:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, miser...@gmail.com writes: Somebody should've told this lady that with great Photoshop power comes great responsibility. --M. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know whether to LOL or gag. Marnie aka Doe --- In a message dated 4/20/2010 12:23:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: I wonder if there's a gap in the market for doing it to middle-aged men. That would take the notion of good taste to areas previously unexplored. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Cotty On 20/4/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: It would make you look like a Ken doll. Would you want that? Ken Rockwell? http://www.kenrockwell.com/about.htm That was maliciously cruel. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.kenrockwell.com/about.htm On 20/4/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: That was maliciously cruel. ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Sessoms wrote: From: Cotty On 20/4/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: It would make you look like a Ken doll. Would you want that? Ken Rockwell? http://www.kenrockwell.com/about.htm That was maliciously cruel. not at all - go with it , Mark! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bet you can do both at the same time. I don't know whether to LOL or gag. Marnie aka Doe --- In a message dated 4/20/2010 12:23:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: I wonder if there's a gap in the market for doing it to middle-aged men. That would take the notion of good taste to areas previously unexplored. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It would make you look like a Ken doll. Would you want that? Ken Rockwell? http://www.kenrockwell.com/about.htm I was thinking more along the lines of Grayson Perry http://airstripone.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/claire.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Miserere wrote: Somebody should've told this lady that with great Photoshop power comes great responsibility. I used that line in class today. Class went very well, incidentally. Students were appalled by the Becky Carter site (many looking at in horrified fascination for some time - a bit like a road accident you can't help but stare at). Even the basic portrait enhancement tricks I showed them shocked quite a few with how easy it is to do some of this stuff. Big fun. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/20/2010 1:20 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Cotty
On 20/4/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed:
It would make you look like a Ken doll. Would you want that?
Ken Rockwell?
http://www.kenrockwell.com/about.htm
That was maliciously cruel.
Yes, yes it wax. But amusing none the less.
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On 21/04/2010, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Miserere wrote: Somebody should've told this lady that with great Photoshop power comes great responsibility. I used that line in class today. Class went very well, incidentally. Students were appalled by the Becky Carter site (many looking at in horrified fascination for some time - a bit like a road accident you can't help but stare at). Even the basic portrait enhancement tricks I showed them shocked quite a few with how easy it is to do some of this stuff. Big fun. News today along similar lines: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/21/2879025.htm?section=justin -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yep, Metro-sexual... (Metro in Russian - subway)... On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:46 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/4/20 Bob W p...@web-options.com: I don't think it's all PhotoShop. Looks like they're taking these kids and applying extreme makeup before photographing them and THEN doing extreme PhotoShop makeovers. You know, I'd like to make a living at photography, but I just couldn't do that to kids. It's just wrong. I wonder if there's a gap in the market for doing it to middle-aged men. That would take the notion of good taste to areas previously unexplored. Well... As you guys in London hear a lot: mind the gap. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as an example of what not to do. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as an example of what not to do. You could fake some and call it postmodern irony. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as an example of what not to do. You could fake some and call it postmodern irony. I teach undergrads: It's risky enough exposing them to Becky Carter; postmodern irony gets to a level of danger even I won't accept. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/19/2010 7:05 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait
retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter
but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page
http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/
Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as
an example of what not to do.
How could a girl genious like Becky Carter stop working.
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Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
You could install the trial version of Portraiture II plugin and crank it up a bit. http://www.imagenomic.com/ -- Best regards, Bruce Monday, April 19, 2010, 4:05:53 PM, you wrote: MR Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait MR retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter MR but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page MR http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ MR Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as MR an example of what not to do. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
Mark Roberts wrote: Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as an example of what not to do. http://photographybykarensonnier.com/karen_003.htm be warned; it isn't pretty. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
Mark Roberts wrote: Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as an example of what not to do. Funny... yesterday archive.org told me they didn't have any other of her pages saved. Today they say they have several. Anyway, I've downloaded enough material to scar my students for life. Just one more service I offer... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors? You could install the trial version of Portraiture II plugin and crank it up a bit. I tried doing that once to see if that was what she was doing. It didn't work. I think she was actually dipping the kids in plastic and then airbrushing them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
On 4/19/2010 7:54 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
Mark Roberts wrote:
Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait
retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter
but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page
http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/
Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as
an example of what not to do.
http://photographybykarensonnier.com/karen_003.htm
be warned; it isn't pretty.
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Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
On 19 April 2010 19:55, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as an example of what not to do. Funny... yesterday archive.org told me they didn't have any other of her pages saved. Today they say they have several. Anyway, I've downloaded enough material to scar my students for life. Just one more service I offer... You've also scared me. Thanks. Somebody should've told this lady that with great Photoshop power comes great responsibility. I will now delete this thread. --M. -- New Gallery: http://WorldOfMiserere.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
From: Mark Roberts Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as an example of what not to do. Google image search Toddlers and Tiaras and High Glitz I don't think it's all PhotoShop. Looks like they're taking these kids and applying extreme makeup before photographing them and THEN doing extreme PhotoShop makeovers. You know, I'd like to make a living at photography, but I just couldn't do that to kids. It's just wrong. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Archived Becky Carter horrors?
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:54 -0400, Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Tomorrow my Photoshop class is going to be on the topic of portrait retouching. I'd like to show some of the horrific work of Becky Carter but her site no longer exists and archive.org only has the index page http://web.archive.org/web/20080124003151/http://beckycarter.com/ Did anyone happen to archive any of that stuff? I'd love to use it as an example of what not to do. http://photographybykarensonnier.com/karen_003.htm be warned; it isn't pretty. You should realise that issuing a warning just serves to tantalise. You know we wont be able to resist. Oh my eyes.. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Web hosting horrors
In a message dated 2/4/2007 10:32:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the latest version of my Live Oak BW conversion: http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and then wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it or not. === Ugh. I like the photo, but the rendering doesn't ring my chimes. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Web hosting horrors
Mark, I cannot be certain if it is of any importance, but now I can successfully access your pages from my home PC. Nice tree by the way. Boris Mark Roberts wrote: OK, after 24-or-so hours of work I have my web site up and running on a new host... mostly. My former host lost connectivity on Monday and I grew increasing suspicious about how they were handling it... until I lost all patience yesterday and signed up with a new hosting company. All that's left is for me to get the web message board/forum (Mimple Machines Forum - http://www.simplemachines.org/) up and running. I'll probably need to call their tech support for that tomorrow because I'm not a PHP/MySQL expert, to put it mildly. And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the latest version of my Live Oak BW conversion: http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and then wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it or not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Web hosting horrors
Mark Roberts wrote: And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the latest version of my Live Oak BW conversion: http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and then wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it or not. Looks like its on it's way - looks pretty good, in fact - MCC -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Web hosting horrors
Mark Cassino wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the latest version of my Live Oak BW conversion: http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and then wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it or not. Looks like its on it's way - looks pretty good, in fact Thanks. I think it's very close now. As Godfrey pointed out, this one is never really going to make a good web-size rendering, even at a large size. It needs to be a big print to convey the texture and detail that's in there. I'll bring a 12 x 18 to GFM ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Web hosting horrors
OK, after 24-or-so hours of work I have my web site up and running on a new host... mostly. My former host lost connectivity on Monday and I grew increasing suspicious about how they were handling it... until I lost all patience yesterday and signed up with a new hosting company. All that's left is for me to get the web message board/forum (Mimple Machines Forum - http://www.simplemachines.org/) up and running. I'll probably need to call their tech support for that tomorrow because I'm not a PHP/MySQL expert, to put it mildly. And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the latest version of my Live Oak BW conversion: http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and then wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it or not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Web hosting horrors
Looks virtually prehistoric. Like the lighted feeders' against the darker trunk. Texture details always add much interest. Jack --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, after 24-or-so hours of work I have my web site up and running on a new host... mostly. My former host lost connectivity on Monday and I grew increasing suspicious about how they were handling it... until I lost all patience yesterday and signed up with a new hosting company. All that's left is for me to get the web message board/forum (Mimple Machines Forum - http://www.simplemachines.org/) up and running. I'll probably need to call their tech support for that tomorrow because I'm not a PHP/MySQL expert, to put it mildly. And now, just to be *slightly* on-topic, here's a new PESO, the latest version of my Live Oak BW conversion: http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm Not quite there yet, but I find it's best to make some changes and then wait a couple of days before looking at it and deciding if I like it or not. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: darkroom horrors!
On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 07:18 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: At least you didn't DEVELOP the film in FIXER, as I once did. I've know people who've developed their film in bleach and sepia toner. Neither are adequate replacements for D-76. They also both smell so distinctively bad that I have to wonder just how unaware the people doing the developing were. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
darkroom horrors!
You wouldn't believe what darkroom error I managed today... I am still banging my head on the wall... I just have to share this funny story to alleviate the anger. I developed 4 negs in my jobo tank, stopped, fixed and proceeded to hypo clear. I hypocleared them well, than 'where is the wash water' (I have a 5litre jug of washing water to keep it at room/dev temp)... I found the canister I _thought_ was washing water... shall I continue? I use the Ilford archival sentence, although with 5 steps instead of their 3, as a safeguard. I also test the water from negs for signs of fixer/hypoclear residue (**see bellow for my testing technique). Well, after 5 complete washing steps the negs were still full of the residue! I was mindbogled... until it dawned on me, after filling the container with another 5litre of 20 deg. C water, and repeating the 5 steps..., that I was washing it NOT with water but with HYPOCLEARING AGENT!!! I wasted 5 litres of it... (not the kodak stuff, homemade stuff) The canister with washing water was put somewhere else by other family member... AAARGH! And I was perplexed why the hell the negs are still full of fixer/hypoclear residue!!! Not surprising when I was washing them in hypoclear all the time! Now, hypoclear is easily washed out of negs, but NOT if you drinse them in it for about 45 minutes! All in all, it took me 2+ hours to wash damned 4 negs, and wasted 5 litres of hypoclear... ** my technique of testing: I am using rapid fixer and sodium bisulfite (?) hypoclear. When any sulphite salt is combined with KNMO4 (kalium hypermanganum, the household/pharmacy stuff), the react, and the pink-purple colour of the KMNO4 solution clears to clear or muddy brown, depending on strengths. What I do is take a sample of washing water BEFORE washing, another sample AFTER few washing steps, and drop into each 1 crystal of the KMNO4 or few drops of solution. When there are no sulphite salts anymore, the colour of pink of both samples should be the same. When the after-wash sample is clear or lighter pink, I can see that there is still some suplhite salts. Of course, this tests only for S salts, not iodide and others, but with few more steps for safeguarding, this works for me well. I of course don't do it every time I wash negs, just once every 5 or more sessions to check. Good light, Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: darkroom horrors!
Hi, At least you didn't DEVELOP the film in FIXER, as I once did. Frantisek Vlcek wrote: You wouldn't believe what darkroom error I managed today... I was washing it NOT with water but with HYPOCLEARING AGENT!!! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/darkroom-rentals/index.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: darkroom horrors!
Horror? Come one - it's not like you poured fixer instead of a developer, is it? ukasz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: darkroom horrors!
Tuesday, April 09, 2002, 6:44:08 PM, ukasz wrote: K Horror? Come one - it's not like you poured fixer instead of a developer, is K it? K ukasz And Shel wrote: SB At least you didn't DEVELOP the film in FIXER, as I once did. Well, I did that actually too... but it's a lot time ago (knock on wood). But I thought what happened to me now is funnier than having a bleached film :) Washing and washing and washing... Good light, Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Darkroom Horrors
Hi, Shel Belinkoff wrote: snicker tale of woe snack OK, now that you've heard my take of woe, what could be causing the developer to go bad so quickly? What water are you using? The water company might have been flushing lines or something like that Not enough to cause problems in the short term to consumers (literally) but maybe enough to cause problems with chemistry mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe, go to http://wwwpdmlnet and follow the directions Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pugkomkonorg
Re: Darkroom Horrors
At 11:00 PM 2/27/02 -0800, you wrote: Yes, it's scary in the dark - strange odors and sounds, creaking floor boards, eerily glowing lights. But that's like the Tunnel of Love compared to the last couple of days trying to process a couple of rolls of film. You did better than me, Shel - on Tuesday I shot 4 rolls of snow-scapes with TMax, loaded it all into two double tanks, and then blithely proceeded to mix up and process each tank with the chemistry for just one roll... Too late I realized my error and did the Homer Simpson forehead slap. Well, the bottom roll in each tank is OK, and half of the top rolls were OK. (Half of each frame, that is...) - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Darkroom Horrors
Peifer, William [OCDUS] wrote: Do you have a rough idea of what the pH of that ID-11 batch is supposed to be? Not off hand. Is it possible that the stuff will support the growth of microbes? I suppose it's possible, but it would be a first for me that I know of. It's conceivable that you may have gotten mold spores (or some bacteria, perhaps?) in your plastic bottle, perhaps even when you purchased it new. If that were the case, shouldn't this problem have shown itself sooner if the spores were in the bottle from new? If not from new, then this would have had to have been a relatively recent spore or bacteria invasion, right? Washing the bottle in 120+ degree water might not remove all the mold, but immersion in boiling water for 10 or 15 minutes (just like sterilizing plastic formula bottles for babies) ought to do the trick. Better yet, fill them with a hot solution of laundry detergent plus a little bleach, let them sit in that for a bit, then toss them into the boiling water. I may try that for experimental purposes, but I'm definitely getting new bottles and a fresh batch of developer, IAC. Thanks Bill! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ If you are a bad technician, it doesn't matter how big your negs are. - PDML member - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Darkroom Horrors
I can certainly sympathize with you. I almost did the same thing, but caught it before pouring the developer in to the tank. I hope your next experience goes a bit better, Mark. Well, actually a lot better. Mark Cassino wrote: You did better than me, Shel - on Tuesday I shot 4 rolls of snow-scapes with TMax, loaded it all into two double tanks, and then blithely proceeded to mix up and process each tank with the chemistry for just one roll... Too late I realized my error and did the Homer Simpson forehead slap. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ If you are a bad technician, it doesn't matter how big your negs are. - W. Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Darkroom Horrors
Shel wrote: Shouldn't this problem have shown itself sooner if the spores were in the bottle from new? If not from new, then this would have had to have been a relatively recent spore or bacteria invasion, right? Hi Shel, Yes, you'd think spores in a new bottle might get activated and start multiplying as soon as the first batch of a suitable liquid medium was added to the bottle You're right -- it could be a recent infection Also not out of the realm of possibility that one or more of the chemicals used to formulate the ID-11 batch were contaminated Finally, I suppose it's possible that Ilford inadvertently released a manufacturing lot of ID-11 that was improperly formulated Maybe they didn't add enough sodium sulfite, or didn't add as much as past batches you've received? (Their MSDS lists 60% to 100% sodium sulfite -- that's a pretty wide manufacturing tolerance) Maybe they really goofed and used some other salt instead? Don't know what the likelihood is that such a thing could happen, but I suppose there is a ~small~ chance You might want to try making a new batch of solution using Part A from your suspect lot and Part B from a different lot I'd bet that if you have any of the suspect material left over, Ilford's quality control folks might like a sample I'd also bet they'd be willing to replace the developer you purchased from that particular manufacturing lot Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe, go to http://wwwpdmlnet and follow the directions Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pugkomkonorg
RE: Darkroom Horrors
Shel wrote: I filled the offending (offensive?) bottle with boiling water and let it sit for a while When the bottle cooled enough I poured out the water - UGH! brown, brown, BROWN! So, it seems that there was something going on inside that particular bottle Glad to hear you got to the root of this ugly problem! However, I've not treated that bottle any differently than other bottles, and have not had problems with any other bottles Maybe it's just luck However, the bottle in question is also different from the other bottles All the others are #2 plastic, this one is #7, made by Kalt I wonder if the different plastic may have anything to do with it Hmmm, could be Might also be that whoever molds these bottles for Kalt doesn't have as clean a facility as the molding company that makes the #2 bottles from your other supplier If these numbers are inside of little triangles, they're recycling codes The ones with a #2 stamp on the bottom are polyethylene -- just like laundry detergent bottles According to a web site I just looked up, #7 is other resins That could mean just about anything Yikes!! I wonder what frequent filling with boiling water might do to the durability of the bottles Doesn't seem to be a problem with plastic baby formula bottles, but I'm not sure if these are #1 (polyethylene terephthalate, same as soda pop bottles and synthetic carpet fibers) or #2 I'd guess that thermoplastic resins like these should be able to handle boiling water, since they're subjected to much higher temperatures when recycled and remolded Thanks so much for your suggestions They seem to have worked You're very welcome -- glad to help out! Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe, go to http://wwwpdmlnet and follow the directions Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pugkomkonorg
Re: Kalt #7 Plastic Storage Bottle (Was Re: Darkroom Horrors)
Further tests have shown that, even cool water gets discolored and, perhaps, contaminated, when placed in this bottle. I filled it with water at 70-degrees and let it stand a while, and when poured out the water was slightly brown. I compared it to the same tap water I used to fill the bottle. While not conclusive scientific proof, it's proof enough for me to never buy a Kalt bottle again, especially if it's a #7 plastic. Shel Belinkoff wrote: A little more about this bottle. Using Bill's suggestion, I rinsed it with boiling water, then washed it with laundry detergent, and rinsed it very well again. Just to be on the safe side, I filled it again with boiling water and let it stand a while. When I poured out water, it was brown. This leads me to questions and conclusions: Is the Kalt bottle defective in some way? The bottle is made of #7 plastic. Is this a poor choice for darkroom chemicals? Is it a good choice for some chemicals, but not developer that's put into the bottle at 100-degree temperatures, or for any liquid at high temperature? My suspicion is that the qualities of #7 plastic are different enough from #2 plastic, that the bottle is really not suitable for the purpose I'm using it for, or that my cleaning method is not suited to the bottle. Any comments? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Kalt #7 Plastic Storage Bottle (Was Re: Darkroom Horrors)
Shel wrote: The bottle is made of #7 plastic Is this a poor choice for darkroom chemicals? Hi Shel, The #7 designation is apparently a recycling catch-all for all other resins Here's what I learned from a State of Indiana website I just found (That just happened to be the first one on the list of search results) Plastics #1 through #6 are: ~ #1 PET (often marked PETE), used for soda pop bottles and carpet fibers; ~ #2 high-density polyethylene (HDPE), used for many laundry detergent bottles; ~ #3 PVC, used for plastic plumbing pipe and fittings; ~ #4 low-density polyethylene, used for plastic bags; ~ #5 polypropylene, used for hard plastic bottles; ~ #6 polystyrene, also used for hard plastic bottles Reagent-grade laboratory chemicals are often packaged in #2 plastic containers (HDPE) God only knows what's in any particular plastics formulator's #7 blend Some blends might be fine for chemicals; others might not be Perhaps if Kalt is trying to save money by using a cheap resin, they might also try to save money by using a less expensive contractor to do their molding Maybe a cheaper shop might be less attentive to cleanliness? Maybe these bottles are more likely to sit in dustier environments before final sale, and thus are more likely to have schmutz and bio-schmutz on the inside surfaces? I think I'd worry as much about this as I would about the actual chemical composition of the resin Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe, go to http://wwwpdmlnet and follow the directions Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pugkomkonorg
Re: Darkroom Horrors
I re-shot yesterday and developed the two rolls this morning - with the correct amount of developer this time. So I'm happy to say things have indeed gone better... Cheers - MCC At 06:42 AM 2/28/02 -0800, you wrote: I can certainly sympathize with you. I almost did the same thing, but caught it before pouring the developer in to the tank. I hope your next experience goes a bit better, Mark. Well, actually a lot better. - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Darkroom Horrors
Yes, it's scary in the dark - strange odors and sounds, creaking floor boards, eerily glowing lights. But that's like the Tunnel of Love compared to the last couple of days trying to process a couple of rolls of film. Friday night I mixed a batch of ID-11 in preparation for processing a few rolls of film I knew I'd be shooting on Sunday. Sunday night I loaded the film into the tanks, and on Monday afternoon I got ready to process them. I poured the stock solution from the storage container and it was brown, and smelled a little funny. I thought I might not have tightly fixed the cap, and that the developer had oxidized, so I rinsed the bottle in super hot water (120+ degrees), and this morning mixed up a batch of fresh developer. This evening I got ready to process the film. When I poured the developer from the container, it was again brown. I can't believe it oxidized in twelve hours! Well, it wasn't too brown, and it was freshly mixed, so i decided to process a couple of rolls anyway - some tests I'd made to compare a couple of lenses. maybe not the best way to do the processing, but I was in the mood to develop film, and if the results came out OK I'd then process the film I shot on Sunday. So, I grabbed the developing tank with the two test rolls in it, and spent my half hour listening to the Shirelles and some 60s doo-wop, opened the tank to hang the film to dry and ... bada-bing! The reels were empty. I grabbed the wrong tank. It's enough to drive a man to digital! or at least to some 25yo Springbank. OK, now that you've heard my take of woe, what could be causing the developer to go bad so quickly? It looks just fine in the package, and the solution mixes up to be clear, as it should. Could the developer be bad? Could there be some contamination in the container that wasn't cleaned out even with hot water? Tomorrow I'm going to try to find some glass bottles, or at least get a new brown plastic container. Meanwhile, any thoughts on the subject would be appreciated. This has never happened to me before, although I once got a bad batch of D-76, but the powder was brown when I opened the package, and mixed up brown, too. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ If you are a bad technician, it doesn't matter how big your negs are. - PDML member - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Darkroom Horrors
Shel Belinkoff wrote: I grabbed the wrong tank It's enough to drive a man to digital! or at least to some 25yo Springbank I wouldn't be so quick to go digital; I'm having major headaches regarding colour management with my scanner at the moment :( Maybe I ought to start shooting some BW Cheers, - Dave http://wwwdigistarcom/~dmann/ (out of date) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe, go to http://wwwpdmlnet and follow the directions Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pugkomkonorg
Re: Horrors!
A heart attack for me. - Ayash. On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Mike Johnston wrote: Re: Somewhat amusing I guess it would help if I told you what the page was.. http://www.hermes.net.au/bayling/repair.html SACRILEGE!!! And at the very least, he should be wearing safety goggles. Yellowed lenses are certainly still fine for black-and-white. One shouldn't shoot color film through this lens anyway. -- Mike Ain't photography grand. The more you know the less you know. (Shel Belinkoff) * * * Find out about Mike Johnston's unique photography newsletter, The 37th Frame, at http://www.37thframe.com. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
