Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
Hi! ft Just a guy holding a dog. Not even his dog (Fritz belongs to Helene). If ft you knew Julian, you'd know this is actually him (hard to explain): ft http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2471920 As such (just a guy holding a dog) it is a little too out of focus, Frank. It looses because of it. ft I've got lots of people and dogs shots. Some of folks and dogs I know, some ft of strangers on the street. Time to start organizing them in a portfolio. ft So, the next two or three PAWs will be dogs and people. Well, I'd like to see that. ft Comments are always appreciated. Not much can I say. It is too simple - just a man holding a dog and out of focus at that. I am afraid it did not really work for me. Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
Thanks, Boris, Sometimes when I post, I'm not sure how I feel about a photo, and I'm interested to see what others think. Other times, I really like something, so while feedback is nice, it won't change how I feel about a photo. This is one of those that I quite like, no matter what the rest of the world thinks. So if it didn't work for you, well, that's just fine with me g. Chacun a son gout, as they say in French. I appreciate that you looked at it and thanks for commenting as well. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 22:47:58 +0200 Hi! ft Just a guy holding a dog. Not even his dog (Fritz belongs to Helene). If ft you knew Julian, you'd know this is actually him (hard to explain): ft http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2471920 As such (just a guy holding a dog) it is a little too out of focus, Frank. It looses because of it. ft I've got lots of people and dogs shots. Some of folks and dogs I know, some ft of strangers on the street. Time to start organizing them in a portfolio. ft So, the next two or three PAWs will be dogs and people. Well, I'd like to see that. ft Comments are always appreciated. Not much can I say. It is too simple - just a man holding a dog and out of focus at that. I am afraid it did not really work for me. Boris ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]) _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
Thanks, Gianfranco, I'm glad you liked it, and I'm humbled by your comparison. More Dogs and Their People PAWs to come in the following weeks (or maybe days - who knows?). thanks, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] A portfolio like that would be interesting indeed, at least for me. Julian Holding Fritz makes me feel a bit sad, in a soft, almost sweet way. It seems life a frame of a François Truffaut movie (Julian performing the part of Antoine Doinel - he in fact reminds me of Jean-Pierre Léaud...). Fritz seems a bit worried about something, but that adds a bit of a story to the picture. I like it. Well done. Ciao, Gianfranco = _ __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
On 24/6/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, offered: Oh, come on, Shel. Some of my photos are pretty well focused. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2378683 You just haven't commented on all of them is all. I don't go out of my way to ~not~ focus properly. Realising Shel's comments were probably satirical, can I play devil's advocate for a minute? Focus didn't seem to bother HCB and he got by okay. The feeling and emotion from the photo is there or it isn't. I don't see how focus can take precedence over that? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, keeping with the innovative approach you've taken, I'd suggest a more creative - no, let's call it innovative - crop. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/julianfritz.html IMHO, that looks like a mockup. It doesn't do any good to fiddle with art. :-) Jostein
Re: Julian Holding Fritz
Nice capture, Frank. I think the dog's expression is very articulate. Something like annoyed but patient, maybe. And I think this picture scores on the OOF dog. It underlines the impression (together with the standing man in the background) of them going somewhere. On a bumpy bus ride, maybe. As Cotty pointed at too, it simply works. Jostein - Original Message - From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz Just a guy holding a dog. Not even his dog (Fritz belongs to Helene). If you knew Julian, you'd know this is actually him (hard to explain): http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2471920 I've got lots of people and dogs shots. Some of folks and dogs I know, some of strangers on the street. Time to start organizing them in a portfolio. So, the next two or three PAWs will be dogs and people. Comments are always appreciated. The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
Explain, please? What do you mean by that comment? Shel [Original Message] From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/julianfritz.html IMHO, that looks like a mockup.
Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
Mockup as in quick'n'dirty and tongue-in-cheek. Suited the cheekiness of your comment, though. Cheers, Jostein - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz Explain, please? What do you mean by that comment? Shel [Original Message] From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/julianfritz.html IMHO, that looks like a mockup.
Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
I was really tired and cranky last night, and just wasn't seeing Shel's humour for what it was. I thought he was being somewhat mocking, when he clearly wasn't. Or, if he was, he was laughing ~with~ me; after all, who makes more fun of my OOF stuff than me? vbg Thanks for your words, though, Cotty. Appreciated. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:02:47 +0100 On 24/6/04, frank theriault, discombobulated, offered: Oh, come on, Shel. Some of my photos are pretty well focused. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2378683 You just haven't commented on all of them is all. I don't go out of my way to ~not~ focus properly. Realising Shel's comments were probably satirical, can I play devil's advocate for a minute? Focus didn't seem to bother HCB and he got by okay. The feeling and emotion from the photo is there or it isn't. I don't see how focus can take precedence over that? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ _ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
Sound's like my early series of people leaning on other peoples cars... (I don't show them often, most suffer from you had to be there syndrome). Not that this is a criticism of this image. I like the look of worry you've captured on the dogs face. frank theriault wrote: Just a guy holding a dog. Not even his dog (Fritz belongs to Helene). If you knew Julian, you'd know this is actually him (hard to explain): http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2471920 I've got lots of people and dogs shots. Some of folks and dogs I know, some of strangers on the street. Time to start organizing them in a portfolio. So, the next two or three PAWs will be dogs and people. Comments are always appreciated. The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
Well, my friend, it seems that you've given up on the concept of focus. OK, I've come to accept that, and will no longer suggest that you get your photos, or even a part of them, in focus. I almost said properly focused, but that sounded so high handed (is that the term?). After all, OOF has come to be your signature style, and who's to say it's not valid. I'll just start referring to your photographs as Art. Now, as Art, this kinda sorta maybe makes it. It needs something more, methinks, or, to be precise, something less. You see, the two OOF elements, Dog and Person Holding Dog, compete too strongly, neither is dominant as one would be in a more typical, run-of-the mill shot, probably with the dog nicely focused and sharp. Then there's the bright area in the background which draws the eye up and away from the subjects, causing a great deal of confusion to those looking for something sharp to view. Oh, what fools they be, for they are looking for the obvious, and this is far from an obvious photo. So, keeping with the innovative approach you've taken, I'd suggest a more creative - no, let's call it innovative - crop. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/julianfritz.html Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/24/2004 2:42:10 PM Subject: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz Just a guy holding a dog. Not even his dog (Fritz belongs to Helene). If you knew Julian, you'd know this is actually him (hard to explain): http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2471920 I've got lots of people and dogs shots. Some of folks and dogs I know, some of strangers on the street. Time to start organizing them in a portfolio. So, the next two or three PAWs will be dogs and people. Comments are always appreciated.
Re: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a guy holding a dog. Not even his dog (Fritz belongs to Helene). If you knew Julian, you'd know this is actually him (hard to explain): http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2471920 I've got lots of people and dogs shots. Some of folks and dogs I know, some of strangers on the street. Time to start organizing them in a portfolio. Hi Frank, A portfolio like that would be interesting indeed, at least for me. Julian Holding Fritz makes me feel a bit sad, in a soft, almost sweet way. It seems life a frame of a François Truffaut movie (Julian performing the part of Antoine Doinel - he in fact reminds me of Jean-Pierre Léaud...). Fritz seems a bit worried about something, but that adds a bit of a story to the picture. I like it. Well done. Ciao, Gianfranco = _ __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
RE: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
Oh, come on, Shel. Some of my photos are pretty well focused. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2378683 You just haven't commented on all of them is all. I don't go out of my way to ~not~ focus properly. It's just that some photos, when I look at them, speak to me ~despite~ the lack of focus, not necessarily because of it. I kind of hope that they may speak to others as well. It's not necessarily a look that I go for at the time I take the photo. I know that's not the way you take pictures. You plan ahead of time, you have things mapped out before you hit the shutter release. Sometimes I do, too. Other times, I'm just flying by the seat of my pants. Sometimes it's the latter photos that I like best, when I'm looking through my contacts, deciding what to print up. This is one of those photos. Now, in fact, the dog was in focus in this particular photograph. He moved, however; that's why he's blurry. I know very well that some are put off by these blurry things. That's their problem. I also know that some appreciate them, which is all well and fine. In fact, it's great. But, I'm putting these up because ~I~ like them. You can refer to my photos as Art if you wish. That doesn't change what they are, which is photographs. Nothing more, nothing less. I happen to think that if this particular photograph was completely sharp (both Julian and Fritz), it would be pretty uninteresting. And, maybe it's uninteresting as it is. But I don't think so. Your crop certainly changes the photo a great deal. My initial thought is that Julian looks too far back from the dog for my liking, but I may come to think that's a good thing. It's an interesting and thought-provoking take on the original uncropped version, though, and I like that you took the time to do it. I also greatly appreciate your comments, even though I wonder if they're somewhat tongue-in-cheek, or maybe even a bit mocking in tone in some places. Maybe I've just been put in a bad mood by reading an Antonio post... Seriously, I always appreciate your comments, Shel. Thanks. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:06:59 -0700 Well, my friend, it seems that you've given up on the concept of focus. OK, I've come to accept that, and will no longer suggest that you get your photos, or even a part of them, in focus. I almost said properly focused, but that sounded so high handed (is that the term?). After all, OOF has come to be your signature style, and who's to say it's not valid. I'll just start referring to your photographs as Art. Now, as Art, this kinda sorta maybe makes it. It needs something more, methinks, or, to be precise, something less. You see, the two OOF elements, Dog and Person Holding Dog, compete too strongly, neither is dominant as one would be in a more typical, run-of-the mill shot, probably with the dog nicely focused and sharp. Then there's the bright area in the background which draws the eye up and away from the subjects, causing a great deal of confusion to those looking for something sharp to view. Oh, what fools they be, for they are looking for the obvious, and this is far from an obvious photo. So, keeping with the innovative approach you've taken, I'd suggest a more creative - no, let's call it innovative - crop. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/julianfritz.html Shel _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
RE: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz
Frank ... My comments were mostly tongue in cheek. Sorry you missed that. I thought for sure you'd see the humor in those words. Don't let some jerk ruin your sense of humor. I would never mock you. Had I been commenting to almost anyone else I'd have worn my Somber Hat. I had been playing around with one of my mistakes and got into an Artsy-Fartsy mood, and that's where the Artsy reference came from. However, I was serious about the crop. I know it changes the photo, but when i saw the dog's eyes, and the juxtaposition of the dog and holder, I was reminded of some photo's I'd seen elsewhere, and so I played around with it. You should see this mess I'm trying to save. Must have been five or six stops under exposed, grainy as all hell, but the image really grabbed me even though it was OOF, underexposed, and just crap all around. Shel [Original Message] From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 6/24/2004 6:05:16 PM Subject: RE: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz Oh, come on, Shel. Some of my photos are pretty well focused. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2378683 You just haven't commented on all of them is all. I don't go out of my way to ~not~ focus properly. It's just that some photos, when I look at them, speak to me ~despite~ the lack of focus, not necessarily because of it. I kind of hope that they may speak to others as well. It's not necessarily a look that I go for at the time I take the photo. I know that's not the way you take pictures. You plan ahead of time, you have things mapped out before you hit the shutter release. Sometimes I do, too. Other times, I'm just flying by the seat of my pants. Sometimes it's the latter photos that I like best, when I'm looking through my contacts, deciding what to print up. This is one of those photos. Now, in fact, the dog was in focus in this particular photograph. He moved, however; that's why he's blurry. I know very well that some are put off by these blurry things. That's their problem. I also know that some appreciate them, which is all well and fine. In fact, it's great. But, I'm putting these up because ~I~ like them. You can refer to my photos as Art if you wish. That doesn't change what they are, which is photographs. Nothing more, nothing less. I happen to think that if this particular photograph was completely sharp (both Julian and Fritz), it would be pretty uninteresting. And, maybe it's uninteresting as it is. But I don't think so. Your crop certainly changes the photo a great deal. My initial thought is that Julian looks too far back from the dog for my liking, but I may come to think that's a good thing. It's an interesting and thought-provoking take on the original uncropped version, though, and I like that you took the time to do it. I also greatly appreciate your comments, even though I wonder if they're somewhat tongue-in-cheek, or maybe even a bit mocking in tone in some places. Maybe I've just been put in a bad mood by reading an Antonio post... Seriously, I always appreciate your comments, Shel. Thanks. cheers, frank The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PAW: Julian Holding Fritz Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:06:59 -0700 Well, my friend, it seems that you've given up on the concept of focus. OK, I've come to accept that, and will no longer suggest that you get your photos, or even a part of them, in focus. I almost said properly focused, but that sounded so high handed (is that the term?). After all, OOF has come to be your signature style, and who's to say it's not valid. I'll just start referring to your photographs as Art. Now, as Art, this kinda sorta maybe makes it. It needs something more, methinks, or, to be precise, something less. You see, the two OOF elements, Dog and Person Holding Dog, compete too strongly, neither is dominant as one would be in a more typical, run-of-the mill shot, probably with the dog nicely focused and sharp. Then there's the bright area in the background which draws the eye up and away from the subjects, causing a great deal of confusion to those looking for something sharp to view. Oh, what fools they be, for they are looking for the obvious, and this is far from an obvious photo. So, keeping with the innovative approach you've taken, I'd suggest a more creative - no, let's call it innovative - crop. http://home.earthlink.net/~sbelinkoff/julianfritz.html Shel _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=htt p://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines
