K10D - More News
Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of my Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it gets. First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still so much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to hurry up and get here! Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a damn good price. The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining doubters can relax now. Remember in the PMA photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the camera? It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function will be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by much. I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new images. The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at PMA. I couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the same sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, portrait, night scene, etc). DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does this on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you use the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on the screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is not saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens DOF- preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. That's all I can remember. Have fun! John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of my >Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew >on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it gets. > >First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still so >much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to >hurry up and get here! > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a >damn >good price. > >The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining >doubters can relax now. > >Remember in the PMA photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), >that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the camera? >It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW >mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would >have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function will >be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > >The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > >The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I >can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > >The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by much. >I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new >images. > >The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at PMA. >I >couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the same >sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, portrait, >night scene, etc). > >DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does >this >on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you use >the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on the >screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is not >saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens DOF- >preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > >That's all I can remember. Have fun! > >John Celio > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light through the viewfinder. Tom C. "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered." >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: K10D - More News >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 > >Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy >of my > >Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to >chew > >on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >gets. > > > >First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still >so > >much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date >to > >hurry up and get here! > > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still >a damn > >good price. > > > >The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining > >doubters can relax now. > > > >Remember in the PMA photos >(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > >that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the >camera? > >It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to >RAW > >mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I >would > >have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function >will > >be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > > >The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > > >The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though >I > >can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > > >The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by >much. > >I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new > >images. > > > >The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at >PMA. I > >couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the >same > >sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, >portrait, > >night scene, etc). > > > >DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it >does this > >on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you >use > >the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on >the > >screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is >not > >saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens >DOF- > >preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > > > > >That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > > >John Celio > > > > > > > > >-- >When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I hope you're wrong about the preset shooting modes. Or if it does have them, I hope it has a switch for continuous autofocus as well, along with individualwheels for shutter speed and ap. In other words, I hope it's at least as professional in its operating modes as the *ist D. The price is much lower than I expected. That's good news. I think. It makes one wonder if the 645D is going to be a lot less expensive than most are thinking. H. Paul -- Original message -- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" > to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the > likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to > set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we > can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of > >my > >Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew > >on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it gets. > > > >First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still so > >much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to > >hurry up and get here! > > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a > >damn > >good price. > > > >The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining > >doubters can relax now. > > > >Remember in the PMA photos > >(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > >that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the > >camera? > >It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW > >mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would > >have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function > >will > >be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > > >The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > > >The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I > >can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > > >The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by > >much. > >I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new > >images. > > > >The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at PMA. > > I > >couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the > >same > >sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, portrait, > >night scene, etc). > > > >DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does > >this > >on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you > >use > >the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on the > >screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is not > >saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens DOF- > >preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > > > > >That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > > >John Celio > > > > > > > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I'm being told, "this page is not available on your server". Any practical help appreciated. Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, > courtesy of my > Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you > to chew > on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as > it gets. > > First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's > still so > much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this > date to > hurry up and get here! > > Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but > still a damn > good price. > > The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any > remaining > doubters can relax now. > > Remember in the PMA photos > (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the > camera? > It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera > to RAW > mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I > would > have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this > function will > be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, > though I > can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not > by much. > I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the > new > images. > > The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than > at PMA. I > couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like > the same > sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, > portrait, > night scene, etc). > > DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it > does this > on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when > you use > the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it > on the > screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo > is not > saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard > thru-the-lens DOF- > preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > > That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > John Celio > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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>Any practical help appreciated. > >Jack In the event of an actual nuclear missle attack, Tuck head between legs, count to 10, kiss your *ss goodbye. Take two aspirin, go to bed, and call me in the morning. A stitch in time saves nine. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Not a clue, it opens for me. Jack Davis wrote: >I'm being told, "this page is not available on your server". Any >practical help appreciated. > >Jack > >--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, >>courtesy of my >>Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you >>to chew >>on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as >>it gets. >> >>First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's >>still so >>much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this >>date to >>hurry up and get here! >> >>Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but >>still a damn >>good price. >> >>The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any >>remaining >>doubters can relax now. >> >>Remember in the PMA photos >>(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), >>that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the >>camera? >>It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera >>to RAW >>mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I >>would >>have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this >>function will >>be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. >> >>The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels >> >>The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, >>though I >>can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. >> >>The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not >>by much. >>I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the >>new >>images. >> >>The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than >>at PMA. I >>couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like >>the same >>sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, >>portrait, >>night scene, etc). >> >>DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it >>does this >>on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when >>you use >>the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it >>on the >>screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo >>is not >>saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard >>thru-the-lens DOF- >>preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. >> >> >>That's all I can remember. Have fun! >> >>John Celio >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> > > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some will disagree. Tom C wrote: >I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light >through the viewfinder. > >Tom C. > >"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >numbered." > > > > > > >>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 >> >>Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >>to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >>likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >>set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >>can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy >>> >>> >>of my >> >> >>>Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to >>> >>> >>chew >> >> >>>on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >>> >>> >>gets. >> >> >>>First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still >>> >>> >>so >> >> >>>much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>hurry up and get here! >>> >>>Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still >>> >>> >>a damn >> >> >>>good price. >>> >>>The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining >>>doubters can relax now. >>> >>>Remember in the PMA photos >>> >>> >>(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), >> >> >>>that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the >>> >>> >>camera? >> >> >>>It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to >>> >>> >>RAW >> >> >>>mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function >>> >>> >>will >> >> >>>be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. >>> >>>The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels >>> >>>The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though >>> >>> >>I >> >> >>>can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. >>> >>>The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by >>> >>> >>much. >> >> >>>I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new >>>images. >>> >>>The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at >>> >>> >>PMA. I >> >> >>>couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the >>> >>> >>same >> >> >>>sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, >>> >>> >>portrait, >> >> >>>night scene, etc). >>> >>>DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it >>> >>> >>does this >> >> >>>on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you >>> >>> >>use >> >> >>>the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is >>> >>> >>not >> >> >>>saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens >>> >>> >>DOF- >> >> >>>preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. >>> >>> >>>That's all I can remember. Have fun! >>> >>>John Celio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>When you're worried or in doubt, >> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Is there going to be a 645D??? ??? :-) Tom C. "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered." >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: K10D - More News >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:49:49 + > >I hope you're wrong about the preset shooting modes. Or if it does have >them, I hope it has a switch for continuous autofocus as well, along with >individualwheels for shutter speed and ap. In other words, I hope it's at >least as professional in its operating modes as the *ist D. The price is >much lower than I expected. That's good news. I think. It makes one wonder >if the 645D is going to be a lot less expensive than most are thinking. >H. >Paul > -- Original message -- >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" > > to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the > > likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to > > set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we > > can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, >courtesy of my > > >Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to >chew > > >on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >gets. > > > > > >First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's >still so > > >much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this >date to > > >hurry up and get here! > > > > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but >still a damn > > >good price. > > > > > >The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining > > >doubters can relax now. > > > > > >Remember in the PMA photos >(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > > >that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the >camera? > > >It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to >RAW > > >mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I >would > > >have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this >function will > > >be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > > > > >The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > > > > >The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, >though I > > >can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > > > > >The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by >much. > > >I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the >new > > >images. > > > > > >The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at >PMA. I > > >couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like >the same > > >sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, >portrait, > > >night scene, etc). > > > > > >DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it >does this > > >on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when >you use > > >the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on >the > > >screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is >not > > >saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard >thru-the-lens DOF- > > >preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > > > > > > > >That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > > > > >John Celio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > When you're worried or in doubt, > > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Low price has me a tiny bit concerned, as it does you. Am wondering if continuous frame count info is a part of the "unshared" information? Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I hope you're wrong about the preset shooting modes. Or if it does > have them, I hope it has a switch for continuous autofocus as well, > along with individualwheels for shutter speed and ap. In other words, > I hope it's at least as professional in its operating modes as the > *ist D. The price is much lower than I expected. That's good news. I > think. It makes one wonder if the 645D is going to be a lot less > expensive than most are thinking. H. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many > "features" > > to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to > the > > likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" > to > > set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At > least we > > can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, > courtesy of my > > >Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for > you to chew > > >on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current > as it gets. > > > > > >First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. > There's still so > > >much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for > this date to > > >hurry up and get here! > > > > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but > still a damn > > >good price. > > > > > >The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any > remaining > > >doubters can relax now. > > > > > >Remember in the PMA photos > (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > > >that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of > the camera? > > >It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the > camera to RAW > > >mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I > think I would > > >have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this > function will > > >be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > > > > >The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > > > > >The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, > though I > > >can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > > > > >The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though > not by much. > > >I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study > the new > > >images. > > > > > >The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it > than at PMA. I > > >couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked > like the same > > >sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, > portrait, > > >night scene, etc). > > > > > >DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently > it does this > > >on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, > when you use > > >the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays > it on the > > >screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the > photo is not > > >saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard > thru-the-lens DOF- > > >preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > > > > > > > >That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > > > > >John Celio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > When you're worried or in doubt, > > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Not making a major issue of it, but the screen is a good 5 times the size of the viewfinder, plus one can zoom in on the part of the image they wish to inspect... I can see it being useful (though I would easily have traded 2 more megapixels for the feature). Tom C. "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered." >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: K10D - More News >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:12:41 -0400 > >Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph >you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear >screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF >anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some >will disagree. > >Tom C wrote: > > >I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light > >through the viewfinder. > > > >Tom C. > > > >"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or > >numbered." > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>Subject: Re: K10D - More News > >>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 > >> > >>Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" > >>to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the > >>likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to > >>set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we > >>can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. > >> > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, >courtesy > >>> > >>> > >>of my > >> > >> > >>>Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to > >>> > >>> > >>chew > >> > >> > >>>on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it > >>> > >>> > >>gets. > >> > >> > >>>First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's >still > >>> > >>> > >>so > >> > >> > >>>much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this >date > >>> > >>> > >>to > >> > >> > >>>hurry up and get here! > >>> > >>>Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but >still > >>> > >>> > >>a damn > >> > >> > >>>good price. > >>> > >>>The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining > >>>doubters can relax now. > >>> > >>>Remember in the PMA photos > >>> > >>> > >>(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > >> > >> > >>>that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the > >>> > >>> > >>camera? > >> > >> > >>>It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to > >>> > >>> > >>RAW > >> > >> > >>>mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I > >>> > >>> > >>would > >> > >> > >>>have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this >function > >>> > >>> > >>will > >> > >> > >>>be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > >>> > >>>The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > >>> > >>>The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, >though > >>> > >>> > >>I > >> > >> > >>>can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > >>> > >>>The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by > >>> > >>> > >>much. > >> > >> > >>>I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much ti
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of > my > Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew > on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it gets. > > First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still so > much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to > hurry up and get here! > > Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a > damn > good price. > > The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining > doubters can relax now. > > Remember in the PMA photos > (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the camera? > > It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW > mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would > have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function will > be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I > can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by much. > > I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new > images. > > The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at PMA. > I > couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the > same > sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, portrait, > night scene, etc). > > DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does > this > on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you use > the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on the > screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is not > saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens DOF- > preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. DL/2 did this, also. Bloody annoying. > > > That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > John Celio > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From my experience, I've taken shots that I was sure I'd missed the focus on, and reviewed them on the rear screen of my *ist-Ds, not as big as the new K series but close, and breathed a sigh of relief thinking they were salvageable. They weren't. Everything looks sharp at that resolution, if you get the focus even close. It's not the size of the screen, it's the pixels displayed that tells the story. Tom C wrote: >Not making a major issue of it, but the screen is a good 5 times the size of >the viewfinder, plus one can zoom in on the part of the image they wish to >inspect... I can see it being useful (though I would easily have traded 2 >more megapixels for the feature). > >Tom C. > >"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >numbered." > > > > > > >>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:12:41 -0400 >> >>Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph >>you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear >>screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF >>anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some >>will disagree. >> >>Tom C wrote: >> >> >> >>>I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light >>>through the viewfinder. >>> >>>Tom C. >>> >>>"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>numbered." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>>>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 >>>> >>>>Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >>>>to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >>>>likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >>>>set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >>>>can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >>>> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, >>>>> >>>>> >>courtesy >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>of my >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>chew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>gets. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's >>>>> >>>>> >>still >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this >>>>> >>>>> >>date >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>hurry up and get here! >>>>> >>>>>Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but >>>>> >>>>> >>still >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>a damn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>good price. >>>>> >>>>>The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining >>>>>doubters can relax now. >>>>> >>>&
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On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:07 PM, mike wilson wrote: >> DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently >> it does this >> on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, >> when you use >> the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays >> it on the >> screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the >> photo is not >> saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru- >> the-lens DOF- >> preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > DL/2 did this, also. Bloody annoying. Can't see as I'd find making one CF setting, once, annoying. Personally, I think it's a neat feature and useful for when you're working out the correct focus zone. You can make a choice, capture a preview image and zoom it to max magnification to check the focus zone, change the setting, etc . No one I know uses DOF preview in dynamic situations, this lets you see the image properly exposed in review so you can determine whether you have your settings correct. Once you know that, you just shoot. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On the DS, if you go to about 4x-5x magnification, you're seeing the pixels at approximately 1:1 and can evaluate sharpness easily. I agree that you can't see sharpness well enough at standard review size without magnification. G On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:33 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > From my experience, I've taken shots that I was sure I'd missed the > focus on, and reviewed them on the rear screen of my *ist-Ds, not > as big > as the new K series but close, and breathed a sigh of relief thinking > they were salvageable. They weren't. Everything looks sharp at that > resolution, if you get the focus even close. It's not the size of the > screen, it's the pixels displayed that tells the story. > > Tom C wrote: > >> Not making a major issue of it, but the screen is a good 5 times >> the size of >> the viewfinder, plus one can zoom in on the part of the image they >> wish to >> inspect... I can see it being useful (though I would easily have >> traded 2 >> more megapixels for the feature). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Really? I set my first zoom step to 4x on the DS2 and find the image at that size to be a perfectly good size for judging focus -- and I do it a lot, shooting wide-open with a 400mm 2.8, which gives the tiniest sliver of in-focus image. -Aaron -Original Message- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 4:23 pm Size: 6K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List From my experience, I've taken shots that I was sure I'd missed the focus on, and reviewed them on the rear screen of my *ist-Ds, not as big as the new K series but close, and breathed a sigh of relief thinking they were salvageable. They weren't. Everything looks sharp at that resolution, if you get the focus even close. It's not the size of the screen, it's the pixels displayed that tells the story. Tom C wrote: >Not making a major issue of it, but the screen is a good 5 times the size of >the viewfinder, plus one can zoom in on the part of the image they wish to >inspect... I can see it being useful (though I would easily have traded 2 >more megapixels for the feature). > >Tom C. > >"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >numbered." > > > > > > >>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:12:41 -0400 >> >>Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph >>you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear >>screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF >>anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some >>will disagree. >> >>Tom C wrote: >> >> >> >>>I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light >>>through the viewfinder. >>> >>>Tom C. >>> >>>"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>numbered." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>>>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 >>>> >>>>Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >>>>to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >>>>likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >>>>set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >>>>can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >>>> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, >>>>> >>>>> >>courtesy >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>of my >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>chew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>gets. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's >>>>> >>>>> >>still >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this >>>>> >>>>> >>date >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>hurry up and get here! >>>>> >>>>>Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but >>>>>
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I also will not use this feature -- but since a simple change to a preference setting will cause the switch to behave as a regular DOF preview, just like on the old bodies, I see no reason to complain about it. -Aaron -Original Message- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 4:07 pm Size: 4K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some will disagree. Tom C wrote: >I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light >through the viewfinder. > >Tom C. > >"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >numbered." > > > > > > >>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 >> >>Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >>to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >>likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >>set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >>can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy >>> >>> >>of my >> >> >>>Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to >>> >>> >>chew >> >> >>>on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >>> >>> >>gets. >> >> >>>First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still >>> >>> >>so >> >> >>>much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date >>> >>> >>to >> >> >>>hurry up and get here! >>> >>>Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still >>> >>> >>a damn >> >> >>>good price. >>> >>>The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining >>>doubters can relax now. >>> >>>Remember in the PMA photos >>> >>> >>(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), >> >> >>>that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the >>> >>> >>camera? >> >> >>>It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to >>> >>> >>RAW >> >> >>>mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I >>> >>> >>would >> >> >>>have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function >>> >>> >>will >> >> >>>be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. >>> >>>The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels >>> >>>The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though >>> >>> >>I >> >> >>>can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. >>> >>>The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by >>> >>> >>much. >> >> >>>I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new >>>images. >>> >>>The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at >>> >>> >>PMA. I >> >> >>>couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the >>> >>> >>same >> >> >>>sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, >>> >>> >>portrait, >> >> >>>night scene, etc). >>> >>>DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it >>> >>> >>does this >> >> >>>on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you >>> >>> >>use >> >> >>>the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is >>> >>> >>not >> >> >>>saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens >>> >>> >>DOF- >> >> >>>preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. >>> >>> >>>That's all I can remember. Have fun! >>> >>>John Celio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>When you're worried or in doubt, >> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Thanks John. $900, huh? Sounds a little low for the D200 type build-quality, but heck if it works as well as I hope it does it will be a great price. I like the RAW/JPEG switch button ... that is a more common switch for me than white balance. Can't wait to see one. Godfrey On Aug 4, 2006, at 12:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, > courtesy of my > Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you > to chew > on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current > as it gets. > > First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's > still so > much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this > date to > hurry up and get here! > > Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but > still a damn > good price. > > The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any > remaining > doubters can relax now. > > Remember in the PMA photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/ > pma2006/Pentax/), > that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of > the camera? > It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the > camera to RAW > mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think > I would > have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this > function will > be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, > though I > can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though > not by much. > I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study > the new > images. > > The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it > than at PMA. I > couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked > like the same > sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, > portrait, > night scene, etc). > > DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently > it does this > on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, > when you use > the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it > on the > screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo > is not > saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the- > lens DOF- > preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > > That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > John Celio > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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So your experience is different. I don't have a problem seeing the effect of the DOF lever in the viewfinder, I don't see a difference in focus on the rear viewer unless the focus is way off. I know a couple of people who can't separate the darkening of the image from the apparent change in image focus. No matter how many times I explain it to them. It's not a fault, I haven't figured out if it's a mental block or a vision problem, I certainly don't think any less of them because of it. I suppose for some people, and in some circumstances the DOFP would work. It still only works on static shots. Since the optical DOF works better for me I still think it's mostly silly, an attempt to have a feature that looks in print like the Olydak live preview, even though it isn't. Aaron Reynolds wrote: >Really? I set my first zoom step to 4x on the DS2 and find the image at that >size to be a perfectly good size for judging focus -- and I do it a lot, >shooting wide-open with a 400mm 2.8, which gives the tiniest sliver of >in-focus image. > >-Aaron > >-Original Message- > >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subj: Re: K10D - More News >Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 4:23 pm >Size: 6K >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > From my experience, I've taken shots that I was sure I'd missed the >focus on, and reviewed them on the rear screen of my *ist-Ds, not as big >as the new K series but close, and breathed a sigh of relief thinking >they were salvageable. They weren't. Everything looks sharp at that >resolution, if you get the focus even close. It's not the size of the >screen, it's the pixels displayed that tells the story. > >Tom C wrote: > > > >>Not making a major issue of it, but the screen is a good 5 times the size of >>the viewfinder, plus one can zoom in on the part of the image they wish to >>inspect... I can see it being useful (though I would easily have traded 2 >>more megapixels for the feature). >> >>Tom C. >> >>"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>numbered." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:12:41 -0400 >>> >>>Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph >>>you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear >>>screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF >>>anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some >>>will disagree. >>> >>>Tom C wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light >>>>through the viewfinder. >>>> >>>>Tom C. >>>> >>>>"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>>numbered." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>>>>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 >>>>> >>>>>Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >>>>>to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >>>>>likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >>>>>set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >>>>>can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >>>>> >>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>courtesy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >&
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I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it just adds to the feature list. The length of the manual explaining all the features in the *ist-Ds sent Ann running back to a Canon ZLR when she rightfully belongs in the Pentax fold. I wonder how many other people are more intimidated than enticed by huge numbers of features. Aaron Reynolds wrote: >I also will not use this feature -- but since a simple change to a preference >setting will cause the switch to behave as a regular DOF preview, just like on >the old bodies, >I see no reason to complain about it. > >-Aaron > >-Original Message- > >From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subj: Re: K10D - More News >Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 4:07 pm >Size: 4K >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph >you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear >screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF >anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some >will disagree. > >Tom C wrote: > > > >>I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light >>through the viewfinder. >> >>Tom C. >> >>"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>numbered." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 >>> >>>Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >>>to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >>>likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >>>set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >>>can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >>> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>of my >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>chew >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>gets. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>so >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>to >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>hurry up and get here! >>>> >>>>Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>a damn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>good price. >>>> >>>>The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining >>>>doubters can relax now. >>>> >>>>Remember in the PMA photos >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>camera? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>RAW >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I >>>
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Tom C wrote: > Not making a major issue of it, but the screen is a good 5 times the size of > the viewfinder, plus one can zoom in on the part of the image they wish to > inspect... I can see it being useful (though I would easily have traded 2 > more megapixels for the feature). > > Tom C. > > "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or > numbered." The screen is also pretty much useless in bright daylight. > > > > > >>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:12:41 -0400 >> >>Unfortunately the rear screen DOFP is the same as taking a photograph >>you can't save. Not to mention the fact that the resolution on the rear >>screen isn't really high enough to make a good determination of DOF >>anyway. I personally think that it's a useless feature. I know some >>will disagree. >> >>Tom C wrote: >> >> >>>I like the on-screen DOFP. Often hard to get a good feeling in low light >>>through the viewfinder. >>> >>>Tom C. >>> >>>"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>numbered." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>>>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:51:53 -0400 >>>> >>>>Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >>>>to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >>>>likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >>>>set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >>>>can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >>>> >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, >> >>courtesy >> >>>>> >>>>of my >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>chew >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>gets. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's >> >>still >> >>>>> >>>>so >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this >> >>date >> >>>>> >>>>to >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>hurry up and get here! >>>>> >>>>>Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but >> >>still >> >>>>> >>>>a damn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>good price. >>>>> >>>>>The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining >>>>>doubters can relax now. >>>>> >>>>>Remember in the PMA photos >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>camera? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>RAW >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>would >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this >> >>func
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IMO it is better than not having it. For most people (I mean newbies and all "normal" people;) it will easier to understand and use. I have to say that checking DOF at f/16-32 is a pain. So it may be useful to some of us, who knows?. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On Aug 4, 2006, at 1:07 PM, mike wilson wrote: > >>>DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently >>>it does this >>>on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, >>>when you use >>>the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays >>>it on the >>>screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the >>>photo is not >>>saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru- >>>the-lens DOF- >>>preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. >> >>DL/2 did this, also. Bloody annoying. > > > Can't see as I'd find making one CF setting, once, annoying. It's the feature I found annoying, once I got over the "wow" factor. (Can't remember if that was 5 or 20ms) It's useless in daylight. > > Personally, I think it's a neat feature and useful for when you're > working out the correct focus zone. You can make a choice, capture a > preview image and zoom it to max magnification to check the focus > zone, change the setting, etc . > > No one I know uses DOF preview in dynamic situations, this lets you > see the image properly exposed in review so you can determine whether > you have your settings correct. Once you know that, you just shoot. > > Godfrey > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. :( I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). Hope they haven't cheaped out. -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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P. J. Alling wrote: > I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it just adds to the feature > list. The length of the manual explaining all the features in the > *ist-Ds sent Ann running back to a Canon ZLR when she rightfully belongs > in the Pentax fold. I wonder how many other people are more > intimidated than enticed by huge numbers of features. Count me in! (Hi Ann!) keith whaley I'm the same way when it comes to late model cell phones. Can't I just get one that reliably reaches wherever I want to call, and doesn't dump me half way thru? Can't I get one that doesn't have a digicam, a calendar, a set of board games included, multiple wallpaper screens, WiFi, a choice of 2 dozen ring tones? Just a damned phone, please? Phat chance... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> I hope you're wrong about the preset shooting modes. Or if it does have them, > I hope it has a switch for continuous autofocus as well, along with > individualwheels for shutter speed and ap. In other words, I hope it's at > least as professional in its operating modes as the *ist D. The price is much > lower than I expected. That's good news. I think. It makes one wonder if the > 645D is going to be a lot less expensive than most are thinking. H. If you looked at the photos in the link from my original post, you'd have seen there is indeed a switch for singleAF/continuousAF/MF, as well as shutter speed and aperture wheels on the front and back of the body (like the *ist D). The preset shooting modes on most cameras aren't usually a bad thing, by the way. They allow more people to get into a camera they might not normally be skilled enough to use. As we all know, Pentax could use as many buyers as possible right now. Honestly, sometimes I wish my D had some of those modes, if only for those times when I'm too tired to think straight. As for the 645D, I wouldn't hold your breath. I don't have any information one way or another, but since this is a first for Pentax, I think it's a safe bet that it's going to be relatively expensive, and that successive models will be cheaper (like the *istDS compared to the *istD). This is, of course, only speculation. John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:13:27PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. > > :( > I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). > Hope they haven't cheaped out. Me too. Obviously the less the camera costs the more money is left over for other things like lenses, but I hope that didn't come at the expense of the other features we were led to expect - much faster AF, and a large buffer (and a good frame rate). Still, we'll know for sure in a little over a month. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:13:27PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. >> >> :( >> I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). >> Hope they haven't cheaped out. > > Me too. Obviously the less the camera costs the more money is left > over for other things like lenses, but I hope that didn't come at the > expense of the other features we were led to expect - much faster AF, > and a large buffer (and a good frame rate). > > Still, we'll know for sure in a little over a month. Maybe theres a K1D coming as well? Anyway, does anyone know if the new telephotos are scheduled for Photokina as well? Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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"things we were led to expect" -- heh, make sure to direct your unhappiness at the folks on the internet fuelling the rumormill and not at Pentax, who have gone out of their way not to tell us anything. -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 5:50 pm Size: 648 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:13:27PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. > > :( > I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). > Hope they haven't cheaped out. Me too. Obviously the less the camera costs the more money is left over for other things like lenses, but I hope that didn't come at the expense of the other features we were led to expect - much faster AF, and a large buffer (and a good frame rate). Still, we'll know for sure in a little over a month. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> >It's the feature I found annoying, once I got over the "wow" factor. >(Can't remember if that was 5 or 20ms) It's useless in daylight. > > In this case I have to state the obvious. When shooting at small aperture or in dim lighting conditions, the DOFP shown on the screem s/b a useful feature for those who have trouble seeing DOF changes in a dim tiny viewfinder. On the other hand, when shooting in bright light when the screen might get washed out, DOFP through the viewfinder has it covered. Seems like a best of both worlds scenario to me. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You forgot "duck and get under", and "duck 'n roll". What the hell is a "server". (no, not the one in my dinning room, in a restaurant, on the tennis court or the guy with a handful of 'processes'. Thanks? Jack --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Any practical help appreciated. > > > >Jack > > In the event of an actual nuclear missle attack, Tuck head between > legs, > count to 10, kiss your *ss goodbye. > > Take two aspirin, go to bed, and call me in the morning. > > A stitch in time saves nine. > > Tom C. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Aug 4, 2006, at 2:09 PM, keith_w wrote: > P. J. Alling wrote: >> I'm not complaining, just pointing out that it just adds to the >> feature >> list. The length of the manual explaining all the features in the >> *ist-Ds sent Ann running back to a Canon ZLR when she rightfully >> belongs >> in the Pentax fold. I wonder how many other people are more >> intimidated than enticed by huge numbers of features. > > Count me in! > (Hi Ann!) > > keith whaley > > I'm the same way when it comes to late model cell phones. > Can't I just get one that reliably reaches wherever I want to call, > and > doesn't dump me half way thru? > Can't I get one that doesn't have a digicam, a calendar, a set of > board games > included, multiple wallpaper screens, WiFi, a choice of 2 dozen > ring tones? > Just a damned phone, please? > Phat chance... 'just a damned phone' doesn't sell. I want a better phone, not just a damned one. The key is to get one with a good user interface that makes it easy to figure out and use the capabilities. That's what I like about my Treo 650. I've figured out everything it can do and I have yet to open a manual. And it can do a lot. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Pål Jensen wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "John Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:13:27PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: >> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. >>> >>>:( >>>I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). >>>Hope they haven't cheaped out. >> >>Me too. Obviously the less the camera costs the more money is left >>over for other things like lenses, but I hope that didn't come at the >>expense of the other features we were led to expect - much faster AF, >>and a large buffer (and a good frame rate). >> >>Still, we'll know for sure in a little over a month. > > > > Maybe theres a K1D coming as well? Anyway, does anyone know if the new > telephotos are scheduled for Photokina as well? > > Pål > > > You're K1Dding! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Thibouille" Subject: Re: K10D - More News > I have to say that checking DOF at f/16-32 is a pain. So it may be > useful to some of us, who knows?. Checking depth of field at those f stops is a fools game. Depth of field preview is most useful at medium f stops where you are trying to control it, not at small f stops where you just want as much as you can get. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Actually, expectations for those features I mentioned come from the interview with a Pentax high-up at one of the (Japanese?) trade shows. Obviously it's still rumour until we see the official press release, but it's based on a lot more than just wild internet speculation. On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:55:00PM -0400, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > "things we were led to expect" -- heh, make sure to direct your unhappiness > at the folks on the internet fuelling the rumormill and not at Pentax, who > have gone out of their way not to tell us anything. > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: K10D - More News > Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 5:50 pm > Size: 648 bytes > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:13:27PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. > > > > :( > > I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). > > Hope they haven't cheaped out. > > Me too. Obviously the less the camera costs the more money is left > over for other things like lenses, but I hope that didn't come at the > expense of the other features we were led to expect - much faster AF, > and a large buffer (and a good frame rate). > > Still, we'll know for sure in a little over a month. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I missed anything about AF -- what did he say about it? -Aaron -Original Message- From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 7:55 pm Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Actually, expectations for those features I mentioned come from the interview with a Pentax high-up at one of the (Japanese?) trade shows. Obviously it's still rumour until we see the official press release, but it's based on a lot more than just wild internet speculation. On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:55:00PM -0400, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > "things we were led to expect" -- heh, make sure to direct your unhappiness > at the folks on the internet fuelling the rumormill and not at Pentax, who > have gone out of their way not to tell us anything. > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: K10D - More News > Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 5:50 pm > Size: 648 bytes > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:13:27PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. > > > > :( > > I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). > > Hope they haven't cheaped out. > > Me too. Obviously the less the camera costs the more money is left > over for other things like lenses, but I hope that didn't come at the > expense of the other features we were led to expect - much faster AF, > and a large buffer (and a good frame rate). > > Still, we'll know for sure in a little over a month. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul, does the D not have those presets? I could have sworn that it did. -Aaron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 3:50 pm Size: 3K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List I hope you're wrong about the preset shooting modes. Or if it does have them, I hope it has a switch for continuous autofocus as well, along with individualwheels for shutter speed and ap. In other words, I hope it's at least as professional in its operating modes as the *ist D. The price is much lower than I expected. That's good news. I think. It makes one wonder if the 645D is going to be a lot less expensive than most are thinking. H. Paul -- Original message -- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" > to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the > likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to > set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we > can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of > >my > >Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew > >on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it gets. > > > >First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still so > >much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to > >hurry up and get here! > > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a > >damn > >good price. > > > >The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining > >doubters can relax now. > > > >Remember in the PMA photos > >(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > >that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the > >camera? > >It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW > >mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would > >have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function > >will > >be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > > >The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > > >The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I > >can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > > >The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by > >much. > >I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new > >images. > > > >The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at PMA. > > I > >couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the > >same > >sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, portrait, > >night scene, etc). > > > >DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does > >this > >on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you > >use > >the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on the > >screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is not > >saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens DOF- > >preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > > > > >That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > > >John Celio > > > > > > > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. > > > > :( > > I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). > > Hope they haven't cheaped out. > > Me too. What the hell is wrong with you guys? You actually WANT to pay that much? > expense of the other features we were led to expect - much faster AF, > and a large buffer (and a good frame rate). Who ever told you anything about faster AF or buffer? Those details haven't been revealed to anyone yet, probably including my Pentax rep! Be patient. All will be revealed in time. John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I missed anything about AF -- what did he say about it? Better AF performance and an evolution of the K-mount. It is generally interpreted as meaning USM. Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It was something to the effect that the forthcoming camera would have all those features the advanced photographer expects; fast AF, high frame rate, battery grip, PC socket, dust-resistance, etc. I believe the original posting to PDML was a translation from a Japanese source, so it was probably from Ken Takeshita. On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:07:00PM -0400, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > I missed anything about AF -- what did he say about it? > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: K10D - More News > Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 7:55 pm > Size: 1K > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > Actually, expectations for those features I mentioned come from the > interview with a Pentax high-up at one of the (Japanese?) trade shows. > Obviously it's still rumour until we see the official press release, > but it's based on a lot more than just wild internet speculation. > > > On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:55:00PM -0400, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > "things we were led to expect" -- heh, make sure to direct your unhappiness > > at the folks on the internet fuelling the rumormill and not at Pentax, who > > have gone out of their way not to tell us anything. > > > > -Aaron > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subj: Re: K10D - More News > > Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 5:50 pm > > Size: 648 bytes > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:13:27PM -0400, Mark Roberts wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. > > > > > > :( > > > I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). > > > Hope they haven't cheaped out. > > > > Me too. Obviously the less the camera costs the more money is left > > over for other things like lenses, but I hope that didn't come at the > > expense of the other features we were led to expect - much faster AF, > > and a large buffer (and a good frame rate). > > > > Still, we'll know for sure in a little over a month. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No. The mode dial on the D has Green/P/Tv/Av/M/B, plus positions for setting ISO, capture mode, and white balance. No preset programs. On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:09:00PM -0400, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > Paul, does the D not have those presets? I could have sworn that it did. > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subj: Re: K10D - More News > Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 3:50 pm > Size: 3K > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > I hope you're wrong about the preset shooting modes. Or if it does have them, > I hope it has a switch for continuous autofocus as well, along with > individualwheels for shutter speed and ap. In other words, I hope it's at > least as professional in its operating modes as the *ist D. The price is much > lower than I expected. That's good news. I think. It makes one wonder if the > 645D is going to be a lot less expensive than most are thinking. H. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" > > to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the > > likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to > > set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we > > can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy > > >of my > > >Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to > > >chew > > >on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it > > >gets. > > > > > >First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still > > >so > > >much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date > > >to > > >hurry up and get here! > > > > > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a > > >damn > > >good price. > > > > > >The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining > > >doubters can relax now. > > > > > >Remember in the PMA photos > > >(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > > >that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the > > >camera? > > >It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to > > >RAW > > >mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I > > >would > > >have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function > > >will > > >be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > > > > >The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > > > > >The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I > > >can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > > > > >The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by > > >much. > > >I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new > > >images. > > > > > >The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at > > >PMA. I > > >couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the > > >same > > >sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, > > >portrait, > > >night scene, etc). > > > > > >DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does > > >this > > >on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you > > >use > > >the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on the > > >screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is not > > >saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens > > >DOF- > > >preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > > > > > > > >That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > > > > >John Celio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > When you're worried or in doubt, > > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 05:04:23PM -0700, John Celio wrote: > > Who ever told you anything about faster AF or buffer? Those details haven't > been revealed to anyone yet, probably including my Pentax rep! See my reply to Aaron. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That's the most I want to see on the mode dial on the K10D. John Francis wrote: >No. The mode dial on the D has Green/P/Tv/Av/M/B, plus positions >for setting ISO, capture mode, and white balance. No preset programs. > > >On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:09:00PM -0400, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > >>Paul, does the D not have those presets? I could have sworn that it did. >> >>-Aaron >> >>-Original Message- >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subj: Re: K10D - More News >>Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 3:50 pm >>Size: 3K >>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> >>I hope you're wrong about the preset shooting modes. Or if it does have them, >>I hope it has a switch for continuous autofocus as well, along with >>individualwheels for shutter speed and ap. In other words, I hope it's at >>least as professional in its operating modes as the *ist D. The price is much >>lower than I expected. That's good news. I think. It makes one wonder if the >>645D is going to be a lot less expensive than most are thinking. H. >>Paul >> -- Original message -- >>From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many "features" >>>to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >>>likely target audience. More like, what can we implement "cheaply" to >>>set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At least we >>>can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >>> >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of >>>>my >>>>Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew >>>>on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it >>>>gets. >>>> >>>>First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still >>>>so >>>>much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to >>>>hurry up and get here! >>>> >>>>Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a >>>>damn >>>>good price. >>>> >>>>The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining >>>>doubters can relax now. >>>> >>>>Remember in the PMA photos >>>>(http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), >>>>that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the >>>>camera? >>>>It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW >>>>mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would >>>>have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function >>>>will >>>>be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. >>>> >>>>The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels >>>> >>>>The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I >>>>can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. >>>> >>>>The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by >>>>much. >>>>I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new >>>>images. >>>> >>>>The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at >>>>PMA. I >>>>couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the >>>>same >>>>sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, >>>>portrait, >>>>night scene, etc). >>>> >>>>DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does >>>>this >>>>on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you >>>>use >>>>the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on the >>>>screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is not >>>>saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens >>>>DOF- >>>>preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. >>>> >>>> >>>>That's all I can remember. Have fun! >>>> >>>>John Celio >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>When you're worried or in doubt, >>> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >>> >>> >>>-- >>>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>PDML@pdml.net >>>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No, the D has no idiot modes other than a simple "P" mode. The others are manual, aperture priority, shutter priority and hyperprogram. On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > Paul, does the D not have those presets? I could have sworn that > it did. > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subj: Re: K10D - More News > Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 3:50 pm > Size: 3K > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > I hope you're wrong about the preset shooting modes. Or if it does > have them, I hope it has a switch for continuous autofocus as well, > along with individualwheels for shutter speed and ap. In other > words, I hope it's at least as professional in its operating modes > as the *ist D. The price is much lower than I expected. That's good > news. I think. It makes one wonder if the 645D is going to be a lot > less expensive than most are thinking. H. > Paul > -- Original message -- > From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many >> "features" >> to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to the >> likely target audience. More like, what can we implement >> "cheaply" to >> set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At >> least we >> can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, >>> courtesy of my >>> Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for >>> you to chew >>> on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current >>> as it gets. >>> >>> First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. >>> There's still so >>> much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for >>> this date to >>> hurry up and get here! >>> >>> Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, >>> but still a damn >>> good price. >>> >>> The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any >>> remaining >>> doubters can relax now. >>> >>> Remember in the PMA photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/ >>> pma2006/Pentax/), >>> that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of >>> the camera? >>> It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the >>> camera to RAW >>> mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I >>> think I would >>> have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this >>> function will >>> be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. >>> >>> The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels >>> >>> The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, >>> though I >>> can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. >>> >>> The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though >>> not by much. >>> I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study >>> the new >>> images. >>> >>> The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it >>> than at PMA. I >>> couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked >>> like the same >>> sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras >>> (sports, portrait, >>> night scene, etc). >>> >>> DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner >>> (apparently it does this >>> on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, >>> when you use >>> the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays >>> it on the >>> screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the >>> photo is not >>> saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru- >>> the-lens DOF- >>> preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. >>> >>> >>> That's all I can remember. Have fun! >>> >>> John Celio >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> When you're worried or in doubt, >> Run in circles, (scream and shout). >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well, if it delivers on all we were expecting AND sells for $800, it will be a definite coup for Pentax. Paul On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:56 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > That's the most I want to see on the mode dial on the K10D. > > John Francis wrote: > >> No. The mode dial on the D has Green/P/Tv/Av/M/B, plus positions >> for setting ISO, capture mode, and white balance. No preset >> programs. >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 04, 2006 at 08:09:00PM -0400, Aaron Reynolds wrote: >> >> >>> Paul, does the D not have those presets? I could have sworn that >>> it did. >>> >>> -Aaron >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subj: Re: K10D - More News >>> Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 3:50 pm >>> Size: 3K >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> >>> I hope you're wrong about the preset shooting modes. Or if it >>> does have them, I hope it has a switch for continuous autofocus >>> as well, along with individualwheels for shutter speed and ap. In >>> other words, I hope it's at least as professional in its >>> operating modes as the *ist D. The price is much lower than I >>> expected. That's good news. I think. It makes one wonder if the >>> 645D is going to be a lot less expensive than most are thinking. >>> H. >>> Paul >>> -- Original message -- >>> From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> >>>> Damn, it looks to me as if Pentax has decided to add as many >>>> "features" >>>> to the mix as possible, without asking if these are necessary to >>>> the >>>> likely target audience. More like, what can we implement >>>> "cheaply" to >>>> set us apart, and get the bullet point count up. Oh, well. At >>>> least we >>>> can hope the core operations and build quality will be solid. >>>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, >>>>> courtesy of my >>>>> Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for >>>>> you to chew >>>>> on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as >>>>> current as it gets. >>>>> >>>>> First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. >>>>> There's still so >>>>> much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for >>>>> this date to >>>>> hurry up and get here! >>>>> >>>>> Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, >>>>> but still a damn >>>>> good price. >>>>> >>>>> The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any >>>>> remaining >>>>> doubters can relax now. >>>>> >>>>> Remember in the PMA photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/ >>>>> pma2006/Pentax/), >>>>> that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front >>>>> of the camera? >>>>> It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the >>>>> camera to RAW >>>>> mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I >>>>> think I would >>>>> have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this >>>>> function will >>>>> be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. >>>>> >>>>> The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels >>>>> >>>>> The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the >>>>> *istD, though I >>>>> can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. >>>>> >>>>> The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, >>>>> though not by much. >>>>> I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really >>>>> study the new >>>>> images. >>>>> >>>>> The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it >>>>> than at PMA. I >>>>> couldn't see much detail in the images, but the
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John Celio wrote: >> > >Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. >> > >> > :( >> > I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). >> > Hope they haven't cheaped out. >> >> Me too. > >What the hell is wrong with you guys? You actually WANT to pay that much? Yes. Every sub-$1000 DSLR I've ever handled (and I think I've handled them all) has fallen far below the standard of equipment I want to buy. -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:56 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > That's the most I want to see on the mode dial on the K10D. I would prefer to see ISO and WB in their current configuration on the DS2 -- the implementation of both on the D is ass-backwards and idiotic. Slow as molasses to use when they're up on the dial. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > No, the D has no idiot modes other than a simple "P" mode. The others > are manual, aperture priority, shutter priority and hyperprogram. Why do I remember pictograms on the top LCD? Am I thinking of some other camera? Do they appear in green mode? I would think that the idiot modes are far more useful than simple P -- they give some shape to the program. Of course, I say that having used neither of them. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Pål Jensen wrote: >Maybe theres a K1D coming as well? Rumors suggest as much. >Anyway, does anyone know if the new telephotos are scheduled for Photokina as >well? The primes are a year away. I think we'll probably see the new USM zooms at Photokina. -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Simple Program mode on the D is Hyper Program. I find that much more useful than any number of idiot modes. Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > >>No, the D has no idiot modes other than a simple "P" mode. The others >>are manual, aperture priority, shutter priority and hyperprogram. >> >> > >Why do I remember pictograms on the top LCD? Am I thinking of some >other camera? Do they appear in green mode? > >I would think that the idiot modes are far more useful than simple P -- >they give some shape to the program. Of course, I say that having used >neither of them. > >-Aaron > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If the set ISO was visible in the viewfinder at all times it wouldn't be nearly as bad as you make it out to be. It's now a shooting parameter, if you have shutter speed and f stop in the viewfinder you should have current ISO as well. Then the dial makes sense. A push button to change the function of one of the wheels would make more sense, but I figure we'll never see that. Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:56 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>That's the most I want to see on the mode dial on the K10D. >> >> > >I would prefer to see ISO and WB in their current configuration on the >DS2 -- the implementation of both on the D is ass-backwards and >idiotic. Slow as molasses to use when they're up on the dial. > >-Aaron > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but > still a damn > good price. > > The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining > doubters can relax now. > > That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > John Celi0> Thats all. $900. I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK II etc. $900 bucks is pretty cheap for that kind of camera, so again, i'm missing something in the loop here. I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. Why. Pentax has a much more reliable WB than Nikon as far as i'm concerned, altough the D200 is prett damn close. Dave, the disappointed, Brooks > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't disagree that ISO should be visible in the viewfinder; even if it were, the D's implementation would still be terrible. No matter what, you have to change your hand position to change ISO. With a film camera, this was acceptable because you don't change ISO in mid-roll. Any function that makes me stop shooting to adjust it is badly implemented, and I mean full-stop -- I have to move a hand position and move my head or move the camera. Dials are only good when properly implemented. -Aaron -Original Message- From: "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 9:15 pm Size: 938 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List If the set ISO was visible in the viewfinder at all times it wouldn't be nearly as bad as you make it out to be. It's now a shooting parameter, if you have shutter speed and f stop in the viewfinder you should have current ISO as well. Then the dial makes sense. A push button to change the function of one of the wheels would make more sense, but I figure we'll never see that. Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:56 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>That's the most I want to see on the mode dial on the K10D. >> >> > >I would prefer to see ISO and WB in their current configuration on the >DS2 -- the implementation of both on the D is ass-backwards and >idiotic. Slow as molasses to use when they're up on the dial. > >-Aaron > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hey Tom, I found out what a server is. If you'd like to fins out, let me know. Jack --- Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Any practical help appreciated. > > > >Jack > > In the event of an actual nuclear missle attack, Tuck head between > legs, > count to 10, kiss your *ss goodbye. > > Take two aspirin, go to bed, and call me in the morning. > > A stitch in time saves nine. > > Tom C. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I was calling the green mode, program mode. Incorrectly I guess. I find hyper program mode somewhat useful as well, although I haven't used it much lately. On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:30 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Simple Program mode on the D is Hyper Program. I find that much more > useful than any number of idiot modes. > > Aaron Reynolds wrote: > >> On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: >> >> >> >>> No, the D has no idiot modes other than a simple "P" mode. The >>> others >>> are manual, aperture priority, shutter priority and hyperprogram. >>> >>> >> >> Why do I remember pictograms on the top LCD? Am I thinking of some >> other camera? Do they appear in green mode? >> >> I would think that the idiot modes are far more useful than simple >> P -- >> they give some shape to the program. Of course, I say that having >> used >> neither of them. >> >> -Aaron >> >> >> >> > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere around there. On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:02 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > John Celio wrote: > > Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. :( I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body only). Hope they haven't cheaped out. >>> >>> Me too. >> >> What the hell is wrong with you guys? You actually WANT to pay >> that much? > > Yes. Every sub-$1000 DSLR I've ever handled (and I think I've handled > them all) has fallen far below the standard of equipment I want to > buy. > > -- > Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > 412-687-2835 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Or maybe it's being priced to compete with the Alpha? Two months ago, the projected street price was higher than this. It's supposedly built like the D. Personally I have no issues with the build of the very solid little DS2. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 9:54 pm Size: 1000 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere around there. On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:02 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > John Celio wrote: > >>>>> Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. >>>> >>>> :( >>>> I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body >>>> only). >>>> Hope they haven't cheaped out. >>> >>> Me too. >> >> What the hell is wrong with you guys? You actually WANT to pay >> that much? > > Yes. Every sub-$1000 DSLR I've ever handled (and I think I've handled > them all) has fallen far below the standard of equipment I want to > buy. > > -- > Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > 412-687-2835 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The D build is superb. If it's as well built as that camera with the specs as presented, it should be quite satisfying. Paul On Aug 4, 2006, at 10:01 PM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > Or maybe it's being priced to compete with the Alpha? Two months > ago, the projected street price was higher than this. > > It's supposedly built like the D. Personally I have no issues with > the build of the very solid little DS2. > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: K10D - More News > Date: Fri Aug 4, 2006 9:54 pm > Size: 1000 bytes > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps > well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. > I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere > around there. > On Aug 4, 2006, at 9:02 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > >> John Celio wrote: >> >>>>>> Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. >>>>> >>>>> :( >>>>> I was hoping for a higher-spec'd camera (around 1200-1500 body >>>>> only). >>>>> Hope they haven't cheaped out. >>>> >>>> Me too. >>> >>> What the hell is wrong with you guys? You actually WANT to pay >>> that much? >> >> Yes. Every sub-$1000 DSLR I've ever handled (and I think I've handled >> them all) has fallen far below the standard of equipment I want to >> buy. >> >> -- >> Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia >> www.robertstech.com >> 412-687-2835 >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:02:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere around there. That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because it isn't priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps > well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. > I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere > around there. > > That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because it > isn't > priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... Canon? ;-D John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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>>I missed anything about AF -- what did he say about it? > > Better AF performance and an evolution of the K-mount. It is generally > interpreted as meaning USM. Then it's a poor interpretation. There is nothing to suggest Pentax has come up with a new focusing system. Nothing but hyped-up rumors and uninformed speculation. If there really is something revolutionary coming with the K10D, I think we're all better off waiting till September 13th so we can hear it straight from the horse's mouth. I'd bet money it won't be anything like USM, but I'm saving up for both a new car and the K10D. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> Thats all. $900. $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. > I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the > K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK > II etc. This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos from PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger *istD. You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to pretend it's like those other cameras. > I was hope ing to buy a Pentax > equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer market? How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside from a few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be buying Samsung cameras and lenses. > Dave, the disappointed, Brooks Should I send a whmbulance? John Celio ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the K10D... -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with that larger sensor, etc..etc.. I don't need two. Learned that from my wife. :-( Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:02:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps > well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. > > I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere > around there. > > That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because > it isn't > priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... > > Marnie aka Doe > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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As a lurker on this incredibly active forum, let me share a few points of view as seen from a non-Pentax user, as that mat say something about market potential for Pentax. I currently use a Fuji S3, and am looking for a second system. What is unique to me about Pentax is: - Compact, fast, high quality primes - AA batteries (since I use that on the Fuji already) - In camera anti-shake - Compact size (Nikon D50 offers that too, but no AA's and no anti-shake) - Reasonable price - Good ergonomics - Good build in a compact camera Many of these things are what Pentax has been good at for the last 30 years, and as an Olympus OM user, they are important to me. If we look at the success of Pentax and Olympus compact SLR's in the past, and the current success of the Nikon D50 and others nowadays, I'm sure a lot of people would like compact, no-frills DSLR's. It's a question of hitting the right combo, and being able to market it. The latter may be a challenge for Pentax. Jorgen Udvang On 5/8/06 1:06 pm, "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I missed anything about AF -- what did he say about it? >> >> Better AF performance and an evolution of the K-mount. It is generally >> interpreted as meaning USM. > > Then it's a poor interpretation. There is nothing to suggest Pentax has > come up with a new focusing system. Nothing but hyped-up rumors and > uninformed speculation. > > If there really is something revolutionary coming with the K10D, I think > we're all better off waiting till September 13th so we can hear it straight > from the horse's mouth. I'd bet money it won't be anything like USM, but > I'm saving up for both a new car and the K10D. > > John Celio > > -- > > http://www.neovenator.com > > AIM: Neopifex > > "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a > statement." > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I > wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with > that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so many lenses for it. If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I have no doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no developments to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No, I'm with you too. If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? -Aaron -Original Message- From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K10D - More News Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:43 am Size: 1K To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I > wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with > that larger sensor, etc..etc.. What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so many lenses for it. If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I have no doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no developments to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this email. Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational speculation going on around here? John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com AIM: Neopifex "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement." -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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While you're right that pro representation is slim, your store doesn't have the glass because your store didn't order the glass -- end of story. Call them up and check on availability. What they don't have in stock can be brought in from Japan (or the Philippines, where apparently they're doing warehousing as well) fairly quickly. I'm not saying your store should stock Pentax FA* glass -- I'm just saying they could if they wanted to. -Aaron -Original Message- From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera to challenge the MK II end of the market. I'm not disappointed by the price positioning. Rather pleased in fact. Surprised, but pleased. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:06 AM, John Celio wrote: >> Thats all. $900. > > $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. > >> I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the >> K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK >> II etc. > > This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos > from > PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger > *istD. > You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to > pretend > it's like those other cameras. > >> I was hope ing to buy a Pentax >> equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. > > Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer > market? > How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually > none, > you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any > money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR > market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want > (from > my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). > > In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside > from a > few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be > buying Samsung cameras and lenses. > >> Dave, the disappointed, Brooks > > Should I send a whmbulance? > > John Celio > ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the > K10D... > > -- > > http://www.neovenator.com > > AIM: Neopifex > > "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a > statement." > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That thought crossed my mind as well. But I think any further upgrade is at least a year away. I'll by the K10. If we get a K1 down the road, I'll sell my other D and pick up one of those. I do need two cameras. Don't expect a larger sensor in any Pentax camera other than the 645D. The lens lineup shows a commitment to APS-C. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:17 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I > wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with > that larger sensor, etc..etc.. > I don't need two. Learned that from my wife. :-( > > Jack > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:02:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps >> well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. >> >> I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere >> around there. >> >> That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because >> it isn't >> priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... >> >> Marnie aka Doe >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If that's the case, My D is for sale. CW - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" > Well, if it delivers on all we were expecting AND sells for $800, it will > be a definite coup for Pentax. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Aaron Reynolds wrote: >No, I'm with you too. > >If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses >would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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First off, I never saw any pictures of the camera. If someone posted some, they never made it to my mailbox. I don't seem to get everyyhing. Secondly, if they didi make a D2h equivalent, i would buy one for my horse work, if it had higher buffer and write speeds then the D. Thirdly, i have the grip foir the 200 and it helps in balance, but the feel is just not there for me, but its close. Fourth, if you want to pay the cost to send the Wbulance up here for me, go right ahead. Fifth. boggling minds is my other part time job. Dave Quoting John Celio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Thats all. $900. > > $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. > >> I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the >> K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK >> II etc. > > This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos from > PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger *istD. > You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to pretend > it's like those other cameras. > >> I was hope ing to buy a Pentax >> equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. > > Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer market? > How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually none, > you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any > money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR > market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want (from > my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). > > In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside from a > few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be > buying Samsung cameras and lenses. > >> Dave, the disappointed, Brooks > > Should I send a whmbulance? > > John Celio > ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the > K10D... > > -- > > http://www.neovenator.com > > AIM: Neopifex > > "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a > statement." > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Some time last fall or very early this year, i saw a picture on the net, and the bosy design was of a much bigger camera then we have now. Maybe they changed the design or it was just a first run mock up. Never know i quess. I was just interested in something to replace the D2H and use Pentax. I like the bigger bodies is all.:-) Dave Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera > to challenge the MK II end of the market. I'm not disappointed by the > price positioning. Rather pleased in fact. Surprised, but pleased. > Paul > On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:06 AM, John Celio wrote: > >>> Thats all. $900. >> >> $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. >> >>> I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the >>> K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK >>> II etc. >> >> This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos >> from >> PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger >> *istD. >> You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to >> pretend >> it's like those other cameras. >> >>> I was hope ing to buy a Pentax >>> equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. >> >> Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer >> market? >> How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? Virtually >> none, >> you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make any >> money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format SLR >> market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros want >> (from >> my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). >> >> In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside >> from a >> few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all be >> buying Samsung cameras and lenses. >> >>> Dave, the disappointed, Brooks >> >> Should I send a whmbulance? >> >> John Celio >> ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for the >> K10D... >> >> -- >> >> http://www.neovenator.com >> >> AIM: Neopifex >> >> "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a >> statement." >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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IMO the K10 is nothing else than a D replacement maybe with a couple added features but nothing else. 2006/8/4, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well, I've only actually seen photos of the latest build of it, courtesy of my > Pentax rep, but at least I've got a little more information for you to chew > on. The photos were taken this week, so this is about as current as it gets. > > First off, the magic press-release date is September 13th. There's still so > much I haven't been able to pry from my rep that I'm dying for this date to > hurry up and get here! > > Body + 18-55 lens should be $899. A bit more than I expected, but still a > damn > good price. > > The name is definitely K10D (it was stamped on the body). Any remaining > doubters can relax now. > > Remember in the PMA photos (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/), > that unmarked button that was above the AF switch on the front of the camera? > It's now marked RAW, and I'm told it allows you to switch the camera to RAW > mode from jpg mode by pressing and holding the RAW button. I think I would > have preferred a custom white balance button, but I'm sure this function will > be useful for people who shoot in jpg mode most of the time. > > The LCD screen is the same as on the K100D: 2.5 ", 210,000 pixels > > The battery grip has the same features as the grip for the *istD, though I > can't say whether or not it connects to the body in the same way. > > The body is slightly different than the one shown at PMA, though not by much. > I'd be more specific, but I didn't have much time to really study the new > images. > > The mode dial on the camera's shoulder now has a lot more on it than at PMA. > I > couldn't see much detail in the images, but the new stuff looked like the same > sort of preset shooting modes you see on consumer cameras (sports, portrait, > night scene, etc). > > DOF-preview now functions in a very interesting manner (apparently it does > this > on the K100D, but I didn't know that). Straight out of the box, when you use > the DOF-preview function, it actually takes a photo and displays it on the > screen until you press halfway on the shutter button (no, the photo is not > saved on your memory card). If you want the more standard thru-the-lens DOF- > preview, you can change that in a custom function menu. > > > That's all I can remember. Have fun! > > John Celio > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: >Aaron Reynolds wrote: > >>No, I'm with you too. >> >>If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new >>lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? > >And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! Nikon, by the way, is working on a full-frame DSLR that works with DX (APS-C) lenses: When you mount a DX lens it'll automatically use just a smaller area of the sensor. I really think full-frame is years away for Pentax, but I believe a D200 competitor is much closer than that. I paid close to $1400.00 for my ist-D and I'd pay at least that for a Pentax equivalent of the D200. -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Dave, The big body you saw was probably the 645D. I'm not a fan of tiny bodies either, but the D with the grip fits me well enough. Plus, when I have two of them hanging around my neck packed with 16 batteries, I'm happy that they aren't any larger or heavier than they are. Paul On Aug 5, 2006, at 7:37 AM, David J Brooks wrote: > Some time last fall or very early this year, i saw a picture on the > net, and the bosy design was of a much bigger camera then we have now. > Maybe they changed the design or it was just a first run mock up. > > Never know i quess. > > I was just interested in something to replace the D2H and use Pentax. > I like the bigger bodies is all.:-) > > > Dave > > Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a >> camera >> to challenge the MK II end of the market. I'm not disappointed by the >> price positioning. Rather pleased in fact. Surprised, but pleased. >> Paul >> On Aug 5, 2006, at 2:06 AM, John Celio wrote: >> Thats all. $900. >>> >>> $800 body only, which is how I suspect you will buy it. >>> I was under the impression, and again i'm way off it seems, that the K10D was a big body camera, that would take a run at the D2X, the MK II etc. >>> >>> This boggles my mind. If you'd been paying attention to the photos >>> from >>> PMA, you'd have seen it was pretty much a better and slightly larger >>> *istD. >>> You can get a grip for it, much like the D, if you really want to >>> pretend >>> it's like those other cameras. >>> I was hope ing to buy a Pentax equivalent to the Nikon big bodies i have. >>> >>> Hmm, let's see... how well did the MZ-S do in the pro photographer >>> market? >>> How many pro photographers use 35mm or digital Pentax SLRs? >>> Virtually >>> none, >>> you say? Well then, I don't see how Pentax could even hope to make >>> any >>> money if they tried to get back into the high-end non-medium format >>> SLR >>> market. Besides, they don't have the big glass that so many pros >>> want >>> (from >>> my experience in the camera shop I work at, anyway). >>> >>> In short, Pentax could build it, but no one would come. No one aside >>> from a >>> few of us rabid fans, anyway. They'd go bankrupt and then we'd all >>> be >>> buying Samsung cameras and lenses. >>> Dave, the disappointed, Brooks >>> >>> Should I send a whmbulance? >>> >>> John Celio >>> ...is utterly baffled by the expectations people have dreamt up for >>> the >>> K10D... >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://www.neovenator.com >>> >>> AIM: Neopifex >>> >>> "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm >>> making a >>> statement." >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > > Equine Photography in York Region > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Aaron Reynolds" Subject: Re: K10D - More News > While you're right that pro representation is slim, your store doesn't > have the glass because your store didn't order the glass -- end of > story. Call them up and check on availability. What they don't have > in stock can be brought in from Japan (or the Philippines, where > apparently they're doing warehousing as well) fairly quickly. > > I'm not saying your store should stock Pentax FA* glass -- I'm just > saying they could if they wanted to. They could stock it, but it most likely would sit on the shelf till hell freezes over or the Rolling Stones play two shows in Regina, Saskatchewan. Oops, that's already happenning. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: K10D - More News > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps > well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. > I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere > around there. > > That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because it > isn't > priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my standard. Specifications are cheap to produce.. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to > consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor > larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this > email. Headers and all? :) Seriously though... I don't consider the lack of a full-frame sensor to be a horrendously big deal at this point in time. The bread-and-butter for Pentax pretty much has to be the mid-range. Having a full-frame sensor is inherently quite expensive... especially for a company that relies on third parties to produce them. Having lower noise, higher ISO, and more megapixels I think is the way to improve things at the moment. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "John Celio" Subject: Re: K10D - More News > > Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly > irrational > speculation going on around here? You are still a relative newcomer. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Re: K10D - More News > Aaron Reynolds wrote: > >>No, I'm with you too. >> >>If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their >>new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to >>themselves? > > And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! After getting pissed on for compromising K/M lens usability? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I agree. It's bizarre. Pentax never implied they were building a camera > to challenge the MK II end of the market. Actually, they did say that they were building a semi-pro digital camera in the $2000 segment. They also said that they would make DSLR's in all segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar (whatever that means). Pål -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mercy, Gentlemen! I was actually thinking of a more pixel rich sensor. The symbolic name, "K1D" happened to come from someones earlier speculative post which, for some reason, didn't seem to stir such disgust. Never mind! Get some rest. Jack --- Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, I'm with you too. > > If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their > new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to > themselves? > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: K10D - More News > Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:43 am > Size: 1K > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > > Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of > course I > > wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and > with > > that larger sensor, etc..etc.. > > What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such > thing as > a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. > Pentax is > commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be > making so > many lenses for it. > > If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I > have no > doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no > developments > to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to > consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a > sensor > larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat > this > email. > > > Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly > irrational > speculation going on around here? > > John Celio > > -- > > http://www.neovenator.com > > AIM: Neopifex > > "Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making > a > statement." > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Actually, I totally agree, Paul. I miss-spoke by using the term "larger sensor". What I was 'thinking'(?) was a more highly pixel packed sensor. No way would I consider waiting for a 35mm sensor from Pentax. Appreciate your thoughts. Jack --- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That thought crossed my mind as well. But I think any further upgrade > > is at least a year away. I'll by the K10. If we get a K1 down the > road, > I'll sell my other D and pick up one of those. I do need two cameras. > Don't expect a larger sensor in any Pentax camera other than the > 645D. > The lens lineup shows a commitment to APS-C. > Paul > On Aug 5, 2006, at 1:17 AM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of > course I > > wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and > with > > that larger sensor, etc..etc.. > > I don't need two. Learned that from my wife. :-( > > > > Jack > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 8/4/2006 7:02:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps > >> well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for > $800. > >> > >> I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere > >> around there. > >> > >> That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that > because > >> it isn't > >> priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... > >> > >> Marnie aka Doe > >> > >> -- > >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >> PDML@pdml.net > >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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To sell more lenses obviously. Aaron Reynolds wrote: >No, I'm with you too. > >If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses >would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? > >-Aaron > >-Original Message- > >From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subj: Re: K10D - More News >Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:43 am >Size: 1K >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > > >>Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I >>wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with >>that larger sensor, etc..etc.. >> >> > >What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as >a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is >commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so >many lenses for it. > >If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I have no >doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no developments >to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to >consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor >larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this >email. > > >Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational >speculation going on around here? > >John Celio > >-- > >http://www.neovenator.com > >AIM: Neopifex > >"Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a >statement." > > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's a marketing thing. Establish a market, then float a new and improved version, relegating the 'old' to the equivalent of "brand X". I'm not contending that this ploy is, necessarily, in motion at this point, but... Jack --- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Roberts" > Subject: Re: K10D - More News > > > > Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > > >>No, I'm with you too. > >> > >>If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their > > >>new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to > >>themselves? > > > > And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! > > After getting pissed on for compromising K/M lens usability? > > William Robb > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: > They also said that they would make DSLR's in all > segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar > (whatever that means). 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yep, if he stays long enough he'll no longer be being driven nuts, he will be nuts. (Lots of bes there). William Robb wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "John Celio" >Subject: Re: K10D - More News > > > > > >>Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly >>irrational >>speculation going on around here? >> >> > >You are still a relative newcomer. > >William Robb > > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well said! Jack --- Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: > > > They also said that they would make DSLR's in all > > segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a > sportscar > > (whatever that means). > > 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. > > Bob > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Would they all of the new lenses be rendered useless? If they were wouldn't that create a market for the line of reformulated and re packaged DFA lenses that have full frame 35mm coverage. Is anyone asking for the same sensor density that the current cameras have to keep digital noise under control truly expecting a full frame camera any time soon? I know I'm not, but I'm not sanguine about the future based on reviews of the Sony Alpha and the Nikon D200 both of which use the same, or similar sensor. Rob Studdert did a masterful analysis of why noise levels would increase as sensor densities increased a couple of years ago. Maybe he'll repost it. That's why at this point I'd like to see a larger sensor. Physics is working against the APS-C sensor as densities get higher, and it can only get worse. Aaron Reynolds wrote: >No, I'm with you too. > >If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their new lenses >would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to themselves? > >-Aaron > >-Original Message----- > >From: "John Celio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subj: Re: K10D - More News >Date: Sat Aug 5, 2006 3:43 am >Size: 1K >To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" > > > >>Does it bother anyone else that the K1D may shortly follow? Of course I >>wouldn't absolutely need it, but for just a few hundred more and with >>that larger sensor, etc..etc.. >> >> > >What bothers me is where you got that crazy idea. There is no such thing as >a K1D, and even if there were, it wouldn't have a larger sensor. Pentax is >commited to the APS-C sensors. If they weren't, they wouldn't be making so >many lenses for it. > >If you want a larger sensor, get the 645D. As far as Pentax goes, I have no >doubt that's going to be your only option. There have been no developments >to the contrary. If Pentax comes out with (and actually delivers to >consumers) a 35mm-type dSLR in the next couple years that has a sensor >larger than what is in their current line, I'll print out and eat this >email. > > >Am I the only person being driven nuts by all the incredibly irrational >speculation going on around here? > >John Celio > >-- > >http://www.neovenator.com > >AIM: Neopifex > >"Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a >statement." > > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> > From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: K10D - More News > > > On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: > > > They also said that they would make DSLR's in all > > segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a sportscar > > (whatever that means). > > 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. > But only two batteries. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely missed it. Thanks, Jack --- mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Re: K10D - More News > > > > > > On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: > > > > > They also said that they would make DSLR's in all > > > segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a > sportscar > > > (whatever that means). > > > > 0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. > > > > But only two batteries. > > > - > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> especially for a > company that relies on third parties to produce them. > > -Cory Having a shring ressources on lens development with a third party isn't the same as relying on a third party for lens development IMO. Other brands have been rebadging lenses quite a bit (Nikon, KM, Sony, Panasonic and all) and Pentax is cooperating with Tokina not stupidly rebadging them. -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: K10D - More News > > > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>Maybe we're seeing movement in the digital camera market. Perhaps >>well speced cameras are now going to be commonly available for $800. >>I've always thought that the mature market would land somewhere >>around there. >> >>That's what I think. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that because it >>isn't >>priced higher that it's going to be a pile of c... > > > My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs > extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to > produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my > standard. > Specifications are cheap to produce.. > > William Robb > > > Pentax seems to have done well with the DL build-wise. It's certainly better built than an XT or the lower-end Oly's while being cheaper too. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't remember where I read it, but it was supposed to be ~3fps 10 frames Jpeg, ~3fps 5 frames raw. Since I might have seen that here you can make your own judgment. Jack Davis wrote: >Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely >missed it. > >Thanks, > >Jack > >--- mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>>From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>> >>> >>>On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>They also said that they would make DSLR's in all >>>>segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a >>>> >>>> >>sportscar >> >> >>>>(whatever that means). >>>> >>>> >>>0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. >>> >>> >>> >>But only two batteries. >> >> >>- >>Email sent from www.ntlworld.com >>Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software >>Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information >> >> >>-- >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>PDML@pdml.net >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> >> >> > > >__ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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HECK!! Well, since you may have seen it here, I'll continue to hope for more. :) Thanks, Jack --- "P. J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't remember where I read it, but it was supposed to be ~3fps 10 > frames Jpeg, ~3fps 5 frames raw. Since I might have seen that here > you > can make your own judgment. > > Jack Davis wrote: > > >Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely > >missed it. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Jack > > > >--- mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >>>From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT > >>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>>Subject: Re: K10D - More News > >>> > >>> > >>>On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>They also said that they would make DSLR's in all > >>>>segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a > >>>> > >>>> > >>sportscar > >> > >> > >>>>(whatever that means). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>But only two batteries. > >> > >> > >>- > >>Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > >>Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > >>Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > >> > >> > >>-- > >>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > >>PDML@pdml.net > >>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: >My concern is that I know that well built, good quality equipment costs >extra to produce. A build and finish like the istD is not cheap to >produce. A build and finish like what has come after isn't up to my >standard. Bravo. Exactly right. They proved with the ist-D that people will pay around $1500 if the quality is there. >Specifications are cheap to produce.. Quote file 2006. :) -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: >From: "Mark Roberts" > >> Aaron Reynolds wrote: >> >>>No, I'm with you too. >>> >>>If a larger sensor 35mm style camera were coming from Pentax, their >>>new lenses would be rendered useless. Why would they do that to >>>themselves? >> >> And encourage us to buy new lenses? Gosh, no! > >After getting pissed on for compromising K/M lens usability? Yes, definitely. Since they've gotten away with compromising K/M lens usability they will be less tentative in the future. -- Mark Roberts Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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> That's why at >this point I'd like to see a larger sensor. Physics is working against >the APS-C sensor as densities get higher, and it can only get worse. There is room to grow. Take a look at the Fuji F30. Sensor is a tiny 7.6 x 5.7 mm with 6.3 Mega pixels. APS size equivalent would be about 46 Mega pixels. Useable ISO 1600 with noisy ISO 3200. Ya I know there is lots of in camera noise reduction and some image quality problems but still most images look just fine. http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/fujifinepixf30_samples/ Powell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Here is my simple take on it: I love the *istD - but it could have a few improvements. More megapixels, bigger buffer - slightly faster frame rate. Better handling of TTL Flash (no pre-flashing crap though). I like the current ergonomics with two dials and the grip. I love HyperManual. So if the K10D can be basically an *IstD with my few improvements, then I'm sure I will buy one fairly quickly after it is for sale. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, August 5, 2006, 8:51:46 AM, you wrote: PJA> I don't remember where I read it, but it was supposed to be ~3fps 10 PJA> frames Jpeg, ~3fps 5 frames raw. Since I might have seen that here you PJA> can make your own judgment. PJA> Jack Davis wrote: >>Anyone read/heard what the K10D frame rate might be? If so, I likely >>missed it. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Jack >> >>--- mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>>>From: Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>Date: 2006/08/05 Sat PM 01:40:17 GMT >>>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>Subject: Re: K10D - More News >>>> >>>> >>>>On Aug 5, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Pål Jensen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>They also said that they would make DSLR's in all >>>>>segments and also eventually make the DSLR equivalent to a >>>>> >>>>> >>>sportscar >>> >>> >>>>>(whatever that means). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>0 to 1/60th second in twelve seconds flat. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>But only two batteries. >>> >>> >>>- >>>Email sent from www.ntlworld.com >>>Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software >>>Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information >>> >>> >>>-- >>>PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>PDML@pdml.net >>>http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>__ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> PJA> -- PJA> When you're worried or in doubt, PJA>Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
