Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-10 Thread Rob Studdert
I did my Googling earlier and I am quite sure that Pentax, for its
market share, is over-represented in the camera lock-up stakes.

Rather than make excuses for poor performance I would the problems be
diagnosed and remedied so that in the long run Pentax might claw back
some market share as a serious camera brand. Currently it's decidedly
second class given, media coverage, professional uptake, services
limitations, rental options and third party support and on top of that
unreliability doesn't help.



On 11 February 2014 04:18, Rick Womer  wrote:
> A bit of Googling will show you that freezing (requiring removing the 
> battery) is a problem for EVERY brand of DSLR.
>
> Rick
>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 04:55 , Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>
>> Am 09.02.14 17:13, schrieb Aahz Maruch:
>>
>>> That's what happened to me with a K-5 II as well (although I think I was
>>> shooting bracketed).
>>
>> This is, just like the sticking trigger button, an eternal problem that I've 
>> had with all my Pentax DSLRs (*istDS, K10, K7, K5).
>>
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-10 Thread Rick Womer
A bit of Googling will show you that freezing (requiring removing the battery) 
is a problem for EVERY brand of DSLR.

Rick

On Feb 10, 2014, at 04:55 , Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

> Am 09.02.14 17:13, schrieb Aahz Maruch:
> 
>> That's what happened to me with a K-5 II as well (although I think I was
>> shooting bracketed).
> 
> This is, just like the sticking trigger button, an eternal problem that I've 
> had with all my Pentax DSLRs (*istDS, K10, K7, K5).
> 
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-10 Thread Rob Studdert
Hi Guys,

The room was air conditioned so quite cool and I certainly wasn't
shooting at rates that I have in the past using both of my K5 bodies
with the same lenses and batteries. The lens was a Sigma but still
this problem shouldn't occur and a little searching on the much
maligned PF reveals that my case is not isolated. Both the shutter
release system and the battery management system should have been
ironed out by now. I did have some similar problems with my K5's in
the early firmware releases.

Cheers,


On 10 February 2014 20:46, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> On 10 February 2014 16:26, Boris Liberman  wrote:
>> Well, I see. I should point out that I have no clue as to how conductive of
>> heat are the internals of the Pentax cameras and how heat conductive is the
>> outer shell.
>>
>> I was merely suggesting that if too many shots were shot and it overheated,
>> and somehow the sub-system that was supposed to notice that malfunctioned,
>> it could have lead to the described behavior - the camera would take a shot,
>> but down the imaging pipe it would refuse to write it to card (which by the
>> way is significant source of heat, if I am not mistaken).
>>
>> Never happened to any of my Pentax cameras, yet.
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2014 6:15 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 09, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote:


 That sucks. Rob, can it possibly have to do with heat?
>>>
>>>
>>> Considering that my similar experience with a K-5 II happened while I
>>> was freezing outdoors in Alaska, I don't think so...
>>>
>>> (Just to be clear, not literally freezing, although it was quite chilly
>>> and windy.)
>>>
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-10 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 09.02.14 17:13, schrieb Aahz Maruch:


That's what happened to me with a K-5 II as well (although I think I was
shooting bracketed).


This is, just like the sticking trigger button, an eternal problem that 
I've had with all my Pentax DSLRs (*istDS, K10, K7, K5).


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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 February 2014 16:26, Boris Liberman  wrote:
> Well, I see. I should point out that I have no clue as to how conductive of
> heat are the internals of the Pentax cameras and how heat conductive is the
> outer shell.
>
> I was merely suggesting that if too many shots were shot and it overheated,
> and somehow the sub-system that was supposed to notice that malfunctioned,
> it could have lead to the described behavior - the camera would take a shot,
> but down the imaging pipe it would refuse to write it to card (which by the
> way is significant source of heat, if I am not mistaken).
>
> Never happened to any of my Pentax cameras, yet.
>
>
> On 2/9/2014 6:15 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 09, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> That sucks. Rob, can it possibly have to do with heat?
>>
>>
>> Considering that my similar experience with a K-5 II happened while I
>> was freezing outdoors in Alaska, I don't think so...
>>
>> (Just to be clear, not literally freezing, although it was quite chilly
>> and windy.)
>>
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-09 Thread Boris Liberman
Well, I see. I should point out that I have no clue as to how conductive 
of heat are the internals of the Pentax cameras and how heat conductive 
is the outer shell.


I was merely suggesting that if too many shots were shot and it 
overheated, and somehow the sub-system that was supposed to notice that 
malfunctioned, it could have lead to the described behavior - the camera 
would take a shot, but down the imaging pipe it would refuse to write it 
to card (which by the way is significant source of heat, if I am not 
mistaken).


Never happened to any of my Pentax cameras, yet.

On 2/9/2014 6:15 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Sun, Feb 09, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote:


That sucks. Rob, can it possibly have to do with heat?


Considering that my similar experience with a K-5 II happened while I
was freezing outdoors in Alaska, I don't think so...

(Just to be clear, not literally freezing, although it was quite chilly
and windy.)




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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-09 Thread Bruce
Bursts may be a problem.  I do have it set to multi shot but only firing single 
shots rather quickly.  I'll have to pay more attention and see if I can narrow 
it down anymore.  It doesn't seem to be the pre-curser to a permanent problem 
as it has happened throughout the life of the body.  It's shot count is about 
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> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:39 PM, John  wrote:
> 
>> On 2/9/2014 11:13 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 08, 2014, Bruce wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't have a K3 but I have had this type of problem quite often with
>>> my K5.  Basically when shooting rapidly (single shots) during soccer
>>> games, I have the camera lockup.  It seems related to the shutter
>>> release and some other operation (focus or something) and then it
>>> locks up.  The electronics stay on but it will not fire the shutter
>>> anymore.  The only solution is to remove the battery.  It doesn't seem
>>> related to a particular battery (Pentax or generic).  I wonder if
>>> there is any relationship.
>> 
>> That's what happened to me with a K-5 II as well (although I think I was
>> shooting bracketed).
>> 
> 
> I was wondering if shooting "bursts" in single shot mode might be
> over-taxing the electronics associated with the shutter release button?
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-09 Thread John

On 2/9/2014 11:13 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote:

On Sat, Feb 08, 2014, Bruce wrote:


I don't have a K3 but I have had this type of problem quite often with
my K5.  Basically when shooting rapidly (single shots) during soccer
games, I have the camera lockup.  It seems related to the shutter
release and some other operation (focus or something) and then it
locks up.  The electronics stay on but it will not fire the shutter
anymore.  The only solution is to remove the battery.  It doesn't seem
related to a particular battery (Pentax or generic).  I wonder if
there is any relationship.


That's what happened to me with a K-5 II as well (although I think I was
shooting bracketed).



I was wondering if shooting "bursts" in single shot mode might be
over-taxing the electronics associated with the shutter release button?

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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-09 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sun, Feb 09, 2014, Boris Liberman wrote:
>
> That sucks. Rob, can it possibly have to do with heat?

Considering that my similar experience with a K-5 II happened while I
was freezing outdoors in Alaska, I don't think so...

(Just to be clear, not literally freezing, although it was quite chilly
and windy.)
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-09 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Sat, Feb 08, 2014, Bruce wrote:
>
> I don't have a K3 but I have had this type of problem quite often with
> my K5.  Basically when shooting rapidly (single shots) during soccer
> games, I have the camera lockup.  It seems related to the shutter
> release and some other operation (focus or something) and then it
> locks up.  The electronics stay on but it will not fire the shutter
> anymore.  The only solution is to remove the battery.  It doesn't seem
> related to a particular battery (Pentax or generic).  I wonder if
> there is any relationship.

That's what happened to me with a K-5 II as well (although I think I was
shooting bracketed).
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Boris Liberman

That sucks. Rob, can it possibly have to do with heat?

On 2/8/2014 4:16 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

Hi Team,

I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

Cheers,




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RE: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread John Coyle
I've had a Sigma lens lock up on trying to auto-focus on more than one 
occasion.  Usually fixed by a
warm boot, but sometimes I had to turn the camera off, take the lens off, put 
on a different lens,
and start over - a problem if I'm out walking with just one lens!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia



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Hi Team,

I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved however 
unfortunately it had a
solid lock-up at a critical stage in the performance, K5 came to the rescue but 
not after I'd missed
half the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was shooting 
but the card write LED
never lit and even though I could get into the menus when I hit the review key 
I just got a waiting
symbol.
I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a Sigma 
lens and shooting
pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the problem. Has 
anyone else
experienced anything like this?

Cheers,

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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Mark C
I only have about 5000 shots on my K3 but have not experienced anything 
like that - good thing than you noticed the issues and had the K-5 
backup on hand.



On 2/8/2014 9:16 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:

Hi Team,

I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

Cheers,




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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Bruce
I don't have a K3 but I have had this type of problem quite often with my K5.  
Basically when shooting rapidly (single shots) during soccer games, I have the 
camera lockup.  It seems related to the shutter release and some other 
operation (focus or something) and then it locks up.  The electronics stay on 
but it will not fire the shutter anymore.  The only solution is to remove the 
battery.  It doesn't seem related to a particular battery (Pentax or generic).  
I wonder if there is any relationship.

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> On Feb 8, 2014, at 6:16 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> 
> Hi Team,
> 
> I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
> however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
> the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
> the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
> shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
> into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
> I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
> Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
> Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
> problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Rob Studdert
Thanks for the feedback, I'll persevere for the moment, I have three
big shows to shoot in the next two weeks so I'll see how it goes.

Cheers,


On 9 February 2014 06:10, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> Sounds like an actuator, not a detector.
>
> B
>
>> On 8 Feb 2014, at 18:51, "Rick Womer"  wrote:
>>
>> Well, at least Ricoh hasn't screwed up the USD (User Stress Detector) chip.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Team,
>>>
>>> I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
>>> however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
>>> the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
>>> the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
>>> shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
>>> into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
>>> I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
>>> Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
>>> Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
>>> problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
>>>
>>>
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Bob W-PDML
Sounds like an actuator, not a detector.

B

> On 8 Feb 2014, at 18:51, "Rick Womer"  wrote:
> 
> Well, at least Ricoh hasn't screwed up the USD (User Stress Detector) chip.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Team,
>> 
>> I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
>> however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
>> the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
>> the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
>> shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
>> into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
>> I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
>> Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
>> Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
>> problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
>> 
>> 

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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Rick Womer
Well, at least Ricoh hasn't screwed up the USD (User Stress Detector) chip.

Rick

On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:

> Hi Team,
> 
> I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
> however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
> the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
> the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
> shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
> into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
> I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
> Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
> Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
> problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Paul Stenquist
I’ve experienced that with my K-7 and maybe even the k-5 but not with the k-3, 
although I have only about 1500 clicks on the K-3  shutter. With the K-7 it was 
a precursor to a mirror motor problem, but I’m quite sure I also experienced it 
as a one-time thing with the K-5. You’ve only had the camera for about a week I 
believe. Don’t know the policy of your seller, but if I had a problem like that 
with a camera purchased from B&H or Amazon, I’d be able to return it for 
another one. However, I might be tempted to take my chances on it being a 
one-time glitch.

Paul


On Feb 8, 2014, at 9:16 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:

> Hi Team,
> 
> I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
> however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
> the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
> the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
> shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
> into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
> I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
> Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
> Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
> problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Bob Sullivan
Rob,
Bad to hear that.  Sounds like an old problem.
I've seen nothing like that, but I'm only lighter duty.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> Hi Team,
>
> I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
> however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
> the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
> the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
> shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
> into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
> I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
> Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
> Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
> problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Bruce Walker
Yikes; not good! That sounds like a firmware bug or a static induced
glitch. Was the air in the venue really dry do you think? Very good
thing you had your backup body.

I sure hope it's not a bug in the latest firmware. I haven't use mine
for much since updating it; just a little in-office "product"
shooting. But it has been fine in all respects.


On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 9:16 AM, Rob Studdert  wrote:
> Hi Team,
>
> I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
> however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
> the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
> the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
> shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
> into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
> I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
> Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
> Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
> problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Rob Studdert (Digital  Image Studio)
> Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours
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K3 Under pressure

2014-02-08 Thread Rob Studdert
Hi Team,

I shot my first gig tonight using the K3, focus was much improved
however unfortunately it had a solid lock-up at a critical stage in
the performance, K5 came to the rescue but not after I'd missed half
the action. The camera would do everything to seem like it was
shooting but the card write LED never lit and even though I could get
into the menus when I hit the review key I just got a waiting symbol.
I was using a 30MB/s card, current firmware, grip, two batteries and a
Sigma lens and shooting pretty solidly in bursts (single shot mode).
Only removing the grip and camera battery was I able to remedy the
problem. Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

Cheers,

-- 
Rob Studdert (Digital  Image Studio)
Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours
Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio

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