Re: KP pre-order

[P. J. Alling]

I'm late to this. but I don't see how the K-? stripped down full frame 
could lose any features that would make it less expensive. Most of the 
fluff is in the software, which would not decrease unit costs for Ricoh 
to build.  Any actual electronic or mechanical changes such as a smaller 
buffer, or fewer external controls,  etc. would probably cost a small 
manufacture, (by units sold, Ricoh is after all a big company), more 
than they would save by shaving off those features, and make the camera 
as useful as the newish Sigma mirroless bodies.


Ricoh Imaging seems to have limited capacity to manufacture different 
lines of cameras, (just like Pentax), so a dumbed down K-1 seems unlikely.


However if they managed to put a 24x36mm sensor into a K-3 style and 
sized body I'd certainly be interested.  I just don't expect it to happen.


What I actually expect is if there is an intermediate between the K-P 
and the K-1 will be a K-P without built in flash but with wifi and gps 
built in, and the same shooting specifications.   That doesn't seem to 
be that hard as it's just swaping out a pop up flash for a different 
module.  Almost the  same cost to manufacture with a higher profit margin.


On 1/26/2017 12:17 PM, postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

P. J. Alling wrote:

The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it
probably was...

The KP is a thousand dollars and the K-1 is two grand. Given that a
camera in between tham would be around $1500 I'd guess it will be a
stripped-down full-frame rather than a up-spec APS-C.

So there will likely be ho higher-spec APS-C camera.




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Re: KP pre-order

[John]

I was just goofing. That may be how they do EVF, I don't know.

On 1/26/2017 6:08 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017, at 03:59 AM, John wrote:

Maybe if they put a second one on top facing the bottom of the
pentaprism so you could see it through the viewfinder.



How is that different than an EVF?


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On 1/25/2017 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED
screen from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is
gone.

Paul via phone


On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Brian Walters wrote:


Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
a thought...


APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
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Re: KP pre-order

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On Fri, Jan 27, 2017, at 03:59 AM, John wrote:
> Maybe if they put a second one on top facing the bottom of the
> pentaprism so you could see it through the viewfinder.


How is that different than an EVF?


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> 
> On 1/25/2017 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED
> > screen from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is
> > gone.
> >
> > Paul via phone
> >
> >> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>> Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
> >>> and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
> >>> a thought...
> >>
> >> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
> >> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
> >> eventually but it will take longer.
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Re: KP pre-order

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P. J. Alling wrote:
>
> The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit
> disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it
> probably was...

The KP is a thousand dollars and the K-1 is two grand. Given that a
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stripped-down full-frame rather than a up-spec APS-C.

So there will likely be ho higher-spec APS-C camera.

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Re: KP pre-order

[John]

Maybe if they put a second one on top facing the bottom of the
pentaprism so you could see it through the viewfinder.

On 1/25/2017 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED
screen from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is
gone.

Paul via phone


On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Brian Walters wrote:


Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
a thought...


APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
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Re: KP pre-order

[John]

On 1/25/2017 7:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

That might make sense if there was any evidence at all that Ricoh has
any interest at all in building an advanced mirrorless camera line.
They had the basis for one and decided do quietly drop it, (and I don't
mean either Pentax product).  What this reminds me of more than anything
is the Canon EOS SL but at a higher level.



My first thought when I looked at it was of the Nikon Df. It has the
same retroish look to it.



On 1/25/2017 7:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017, at 11:00 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather
sealed lens...

The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it
probably was...



Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
a thought...


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On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA


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Re: KP pre-order

[John]

*Adorama* says it's a replacement, but what has Ricoh said?

On 1/25/2017 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather
sealed lens...

The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it
probably was...


On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA


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Re: KP pre-order

[Paul Stenquist]

So it's not a screen on the back of the camera? Then I'm okay with it. You have 
my permission to proceed. :-). I'm clueless when it comes to mirrorless.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:28 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> 
>> I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED screen 
>> from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is gone.
> 
> It's called "EVF" or electronic viewfinder. Smaller than a pentaprism.
> 
> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brian Walters wrote:
>>> 
 Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
 and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
 a thought...
>>> 
>>> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
>>> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
>>> eventually but it will take longer.
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Paul Stenquist wrote:

>I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED screen from 
>ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is gone.

It's called "EVF" or electronic viewfinder. Smaller than a pentaprism.


>Paul via phone
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>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Brian Walters wrote:
>> 
>>> Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
>>> and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
>>> a thought...
>> 
>> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
>> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
>> eventually but it will take longer.
 
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Re: KP pre-order

[Paul Stenquist]

To that add the problem of no diopter correction. Right? I've never used 
mirrorless, but I assume it's approximately the same as live view??

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED screen 
> from ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is gone.
> 
> Paul via phone
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>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Brian Walters wrote:
>> 
>>> Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
>>> and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
>>> a thought...
>> 
>> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
>> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
>> eventually but it will take longer.
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I won't like mirrorless until they invent a way to isolate the LED screen from 
ambient light. Of course then the size advantage is gone.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Brian Walters wrote:
> 
>> Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
>> and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
>> a thought...
> 
> APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
> the near future. Full-frame will become mainly or all mirrorless
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Brian Walters wrote:

>Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
>and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
>a thought...

APS-C becoming strictly mirrorless is how I see the future. At least
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Re: KP pre-order

[Paul Stenquist]

Sounds like APS-C is going to be strictly an enthusiast line for Pentax. That 
would make sense. Or perhaps there's more to come.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:48 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> From my experience, the K-3 is an excellent studio camera. The KP
> doesn't even have X mode on the dial, and they left off the X-sync
> socket.
> 
> It only accepts a single HDXC card.
> 
> Missing lots of handy controls off the back. No top info LCD. But it
> has a dial position for HDR. Retch. Why not one for selective colour
> too?
> 
> Plenty to not like here. I'd take a K-3ii over this.
> 
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>> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
>> I'm sure the photo came from Pentax marketing. Adorama didn't choose the 
>> lens. Why is it a disappointing replacement for the K3? It seems to be a 
>> step up in  high ISO capability, and I won't be surprised if the autofocus 
>> is excellent.
>> 
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>>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather 
>>> sealed lens...
>>> 
>>> The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
>>> disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it 
>>> probably was...
>>> 
>>> 
 On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
 https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA
 
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Re: KP pre-order

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>From my experience, the K-3 is an excellent studio camera. The KP
doesn't even have X mode on the dial, and they left off the X-sync
socket.

It only accepts a single HDXC card.

Missing lots of handy controls off the back. No top info LCD. But it
has a dial position for HDR. Retch. Why not one for selective colour
too?

Plenty to not like here. I'd take a K-3ii over this.


On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I'm sure the photo came from Pentax marketing. Adorama didn't choose the 
> lens. Why is it a disappointing replacement for the K3? It seems to be a step 
> up in  high ISO capability, and I won't be surprised if the autofocus is 
> excellent.
>
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>> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>
>> I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather sealed 
>> lens...
>>
>> The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
>> disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it probably 
>> was...
>>
>>
>>> On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
>>> https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA
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Re: KP pre-order

[P. J. Alling]

Well they've "upgraded" the hardware of the user interface but 
downgraded a lot of the actual mechanical specifications of the camera 
itself.   Except for the high ISO limit everything else seems to be 
equal or less than the K-3.



On 1/25/2017 7:30 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I'm sure the photo came from Pentax marketing. Adorama didn't choose the lens. 
Why is it a disappointing replacement for the K3? It seems to be a step up in  
high ISO capability, and I won't be surprised if the autofocus is excellent.

Paul via phone


On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather sealed 
lens...

The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it probably 
was...



On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA

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[P. J. Alling]

That might make sense if there was any evidence at all that Ricoh has 
any interest at all in building an advanced mirrorless camera line.  
They had the basis for one and decided do quietly drop it, (and I don't 
mean either Pentax product).  What this reminds me of more than anything 
is the Canon EOS SL but at a higher level.


Pentax was actually gaining traction in the DSLR mindspace with the 
K-5/K-3 cameras.  In fact a lot of Nikon D300 users actually were 
posting a few years ago that those cameras were the true successors to 
the D300 that Nikon couldn't be bothered to build.


I wasn't going to voice this but, what it looks to me more than 
anything, is that the Nikon D500 frightened Ricoh into ceding the field 
of advanced to semi pro APS-C DSLRs to Nikon.  Ricoh decided that they 
couldn't really compete with Nikon if they decided to build a real 
flagship APS-C DSLR, so they're sticking to the advanced amateur level 
with features that no one else is bothering with.


I mean just look at the specifications, USB 2.0, the lower specification 
SD card/bus speed than any other advanced camera using SD cards.  Single 
SD card slot, well I assume that because if it were dual slots they'd 
surely mention that in the specifications.  Slower maximum mechanical 
shutter speed,  with no mention of a cyclic life longer than 100,000.


Really this is pretty much the mechanics of a K-70 with mostly software 
tricks to make it seem like an advanced camera.  Sure there are lots of 
dials and I kind of like that but the guts of the camera seem to be not 
much more than a K-70 with a bigger buffer.


About the only specification that seems to be advanced is the new High 
ISO limit.


On 1/25/2017 7:07 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017, at 11:00 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather
sealed lens...

The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it
probably was...



Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
a thought...


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On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA

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I'm sure the photo came from Pentax marketing. Adorama didn't choose the lens. 
Why is it a disappointing replacement for the K3? It seems to be a step up in  
high ISO capability, and I won't be surprised if the autofocus is excellent.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 25, 2017, at 7:00 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather sealed 
> lens...
> 
> The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
> disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it probably 
> was...
> 
> 
>> On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
>> https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA
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Re: KP pre-order

[Brian Walters]

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017, at 11:00 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather 
> sealed lens...
> 
> The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
> disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it 
> probably was...



Perhaps Ricoh is looking to condense its APS-C DSLRs to one capable body
and concentrate seriously on FF for DSLR and mirrorless for APS-C.  Just
a thought...


Cheers

Brian

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> 
> On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
> > https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA
> >
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Re: KP pre-order

[P. J. Alling]

I guess Adorama doesn't realize that the DA 40mm f2.8 isn't a weather 
sealed lens...


The fact that it's the replacement for the K-3 series is just a bit 
disappointing, actually that's an understatement, but I expected it 
probably was...



On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA

Paul via phone



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Re: KP pre-order

[John]

On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA

Paul via phone



Followed just minutes later by B

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Re: KP pre-order

[John]

On 1/25/2017 5:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA

Paul via phone



I watched the intro video & have a question about the electronic shutter.

Can it be used with flash at shutter speeds greater than 1/180 sec?

That is, turn off the mechanical shutter & use flash at 1/500 sec (for
example) without having to use a High Speed Sync mode & losing flash power?


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Re: KP pre-order

[Larry Colen]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
https://www.adorama.com/ipxkpb.html?emailprice=t_source=slgt_medium=email_term=Sale_content=Body_campaign=Email012517PentaxNPA



PF on KP
https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/pentax-news/pentax-kp-officially-announced.html



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Re: KP pre-order

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Now its back... wtf?

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Re: KP pre-order

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"We're sorry; the page you requested can't be located"

Like they took it down...


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KP pre-order

[Paul Stenquist]

Adorama is offering it for $1099. Says it replaces K3 II.
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