Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
On Apr 17, 2010, at 10:26 PM, Bob W wrote: It's already set up that way. Anything incoming with an invalid To: address is just ignored. Ah, good, I hoped you had but wanted to make 100% sure as it's easy to get bitten. I've also been bitten by a couple of spammers using one of my domains as a From: address... then I get 300 bounce messages in a day. Hasn't happened for a while though (fingers crossed), I guess most sensible admins have now set their systems to black-hole invalid addresses. It's not a problem for me, except that Ann's provider is too dumb to recognise that the From: address is not related to the actual sending domain so they've blocked the domain on the From: address. They should be doing a reverse DNS lookup and blocking emails where there's a mismatch. Yeah I've had to deal with this kind of crap at work a couple of times. A provider should never use one single parameter to judge an email as spam. Do you have an SPF record set up? That might help in some cases but it's really a long shot. Unfortunately you don't hold much sway over providers unless you're the size of ebay. Heck, even our own spam filter at work tends to delay or block emails that I send myself when testing web apps. Personally I think the whole email system needs to be redesigned from the ground up. But I don't want to be the poor sucker who gets to do it as no matter what you do you'll break some legacy system somewhere. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
On Apr 17, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Bob W wrote: I'm the only person on web-options, and I'm not spamming anyone. One of the black hats has picked up the domain name and is using it - I've received spam from non-existant email addresses using my domain name. Here's a tip... make sure your server is configured to NOT send a bounce reply back when it receives mail for an invalid address. Spammers will send out messages where the From: address is the intended recipient then send the message to a randomly-generated address at your domain. Your server would then bounce the spam back to the From: address. This one bit me not long ago as I'd had that setting still active on an old domain. My hosting provider limits my server to 1,000 outgoing emails a day and I was starting to get warnings from their system. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
I'm the only person on web-options, and I'm not spamming anyone. One of the black hats has picked up the domain name and is using it - I've received spam from non-existant email addresses using my domain name. Here's a tip... make sure your server is configured to NOT send a bounce reply back when it receives mail for an invalid address. It's already set up that way. Anything incoming with an invalid To: address is just ignored. Anyone who has found a valid email address at this domain can send to that email address, of course. What happens is that I receive mail from spammers who've spoofed the From: address. Anyone who knows the domain name can do that and there's nothing the domain name owner can do about it - this is how phishing attacks try to fool people into thinking their bank is emailing them. What some spammers seem to have done is found a valid email address one way or another and started sending spam to that address from an invalid but plausible address with the same domain name. For example, from ad...@*.com. They hope that the recipient is an office drone who will unthinkingly open the email in the belief that it's from their company email management team. It's just another kind of phishing attack. It's not a problem for me, except that Ann's provider is too dumb to recognise that the From: address is not related to the actual sending domain so they've blocked the domain on the From: address. They should be doing a reverse DNS lookup and blocking emails where there's a mismatch. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
Oooh I love that one! BTW -- will try sending me another email off list to see if the problem got corrected ? before I really spend hours listening to recorded messages on the phone to get to tech support on my server? ann Bob W wrote: Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer existential. So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of the Latin Quarter: http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
Thanks Ann. I have just retested sending to you, and have been bounced again. I have saved the bounce message here: http://www.web-options.com/Bounce.txt If necessary you can forward the link to your email provider so they can download the file and analyze what's going on. I've looked at the bounce message myself - it inlcudes a link which I have followed and which theoretically allows me to unblock myself. Whether this works or not remains to be seen - allowing the sender to unblock themselves sounds like a bad idea to me. It might help if you as the receiver follow it and supply the unblock request through that link. Regards Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 17:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Oooh I love that one! BTW -- will try sending me another email off list to see if the problem got corrected ? before I really spend hours listening to recorded messages on the phone to get to tech support on my server? ann Bob W wrote: Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer existential. So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of the Latin Quarter: http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
Bob - maybe part of the problem is I didnt white list the address below the one I had for you was p...@web-options.com Bob Walkden b...@web-options.com both are now whitelisted I also got a message that I had exceeded my list of blocked and whitelisted addresses ! sheesh. Ok ... lets see if it works NOWI'll send you a message to reply to in a minute a Bob W wrote: Thanks Ann. I have just retested sending to you, and have been bounced again. I have saved the bounce message here: http://www.web-options.com/Bounce.txt If necessary you can forward the link to your email provider so they can download the file and analyze what's going on. I've looked at the bounce message myself - it inlcudes a link which I have followed and which theoretically allows me to unblock myself. Whether this works or not remains to be seen - allowing the sender to unblock themselves sounds like a bad idea to me. It might help if you as the receiver follow it and supply the unblock request through that link. Regards Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 17:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Oooh I love that one! BTW -- will try sending me another email off list to see if the problem got corrected ? before I really spend hours listening to recorded messages on the phone to get to tech support on my server? ann Bob W wrote: Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer existential. So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of the Latin Quarter: http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
I replied to your test and it failed again... -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 23:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Bob - maybe part of the problem is I didnt white list the address below the one I had for you was p...@web-options.com Bob Walkden b...@web-options.com both are now whitelisted I also got a message that I had exceeded my list of blocked and whitelisted addresses ! sheesh. Ok ... lets see if it works NOWI'll send you a message to reply to in a minute a Bob W wrote: Thanks Ann. I have just retested sending to you, and have been bounced again. I have saved the bounce message here: http://www.web-options.com/Bounce.txt If necessary you can forward the link to your email provider so they can download the file and analyze what's going on. I've looked at the bounce message myself - it inlcudes a link which I have followed and which theoretically allows me to unblock myself. Whether this works or not remains to be seen - allowing the sender to unblock themselves sounds like a bad idea to me. It might help if you as the receiver follow it and supply the unblock request through that link. Regards Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 17:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Oooh I love that one! BTW -- will try sending me another email off list to see if the problem got corrected ? before I really spend hours listening to recorded messages on the phone to get to tech support on my server? ann Bob W wrote: Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer existential. So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of the Latin Quarter: http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
Bob W wrote: I replied to your test and it failed again... crap! ok I'm headed for the phone ann -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 23:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Bob - maybe part of the problem is I didnt white list the address below the one I had for you was p...@web-options.com Bob Walkden b...@web-options.com both are now whitelisted I also got a message that I had exceeded my list of blocked and whitelisted addresses ! sheesh. Ok ... lets see if it works NOWI'll send you a message to reply to in a minute a Bob W wrote: Thanks Ann. I have just retested sending to you, and have been bounced again. I have saved the bounce message here: http://www.web-options.com/Bounce.txt If necessary you can forward the link to your email provider so they can download the file and analyze what's going on. I've looked at the bounce message myself - it inlcudes a link which I have followed and which theoretically allows me to unblock myself. Whether this works or not remains to be seen - allowing the sender to unblock themselves sounds like a bad idea to me. It might help if you as the receiver follow it and supply the unblock request through that link. Regards Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 17:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Oooh I love that one! BTW -- will try sending me another email off list to see if the problem got corrected ? before I really spend hours listening to recorded messages on the phone to get to tech support on my server? ann Bob W wrote: Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer existential. So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of the Latin Quarter: http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
ahha! sharing this with all as the only way you can contact me - unless you have an email address that ISN'Tweb-options.com , is through the list . although I bet you could going to my ebay listings and writing me through ebay hint- my ebay seller name is annsan. :) MY server tells me that some naughty person or persons on web-options. com has been sending spam to road runner... so that ALL of road runner is blocking anything and everything from web-options.com until such time as that server convinces roaderuner they ain't gonna send no spam anymore... I paraphrase. sigh... so my techy asks you to contact your server to contact road runner at this address http://security.rr.com/cgi-bin/block-lookup?195.8.89.39 then I got a pompus lecture on how big brother is protecting me from evil spammers. ugh. ann sad Bob W wrote: I replied to your test and it failed again... -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 23:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Bob - maybe part of the problem is I didnt white list the address below the one I had for you was p...@web-options.com Bob Walkden b...@web-options.com both are now whitelisted I also got a message that I had exceeded my list of blocked and whitelisted addresses ! sheesh. Ok ... lets see if it works NOWI'll send you a message to reply to in a minute a Bob W wrote: Thanks Ann. I have just retested sending to you, and have been bounced again. I have saved the bounce message here: http://www.web-options.com/Bounce.txt If necessary you can forward the link to your email provider so they can download the file and analyze what's going on. I've looked at the bounce message myself - it inlcudes a link which I have followed and which theoretically allows me to unblock myself. Whether this works or not remains to be seen - allowing the sender to unblock themselves sounds like a bad idea to me. It might help if you as the receiver follow it and supply the unblock request through that link. Regards Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 17:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Oooh I love that one! BTW -- will try sending me another email off list to see if the problem got corrected ? before I really spend hours listening to recorded messages on the phone to get to tech support on my server? ann Bob W wrote: Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer existential. So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of the Latin Quarter: http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
I'm the only person on web-options, and I'm not spamming anyone. One of the black hats has picked up the domain name and is using it - I've received spam from non-existant email addresses using my domain name. It's very easy to use someone else's domain name as the From: address, and also easy to detect when it's falsely used. Your ISP can't tell the difference between spam and mountain-cured jamon but I'm not going to waste my time discussing it with them, but they probably need to do a something like a reverse dns lookup to distinguish the good from the differently-moral. I have a hotmail address which I will vouchsafe to you privately, but if they don't like web-options they may not like hotmail. Bob ahha! sharing this with all as the only way you can contact me - unless you have an email address that ISN'Tweb-options.com , is through the list . although I bet you could going to my ebay listings and writing me through ebay hint- my ebay seller name is annsan. :) MY server tells me that some naughty person or persons on web-options. com has been sending spam to road runner... so that ALL of road runner is blocking anything and everything from web-options.com until such time as that server convinces roaderuner they ain't gonna send no spam anymore... I paraphrase. sigh... so my techy asks you to contact your server to contact road runner at this address http://security.rr.com/cgi-bin/block-lookup?195.8.89.39 then I got a pompus lecture on how big brother is protecting me from evil spammers. ugh. ann sad Bob W wrote: I replied to your test and it failed again... -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 23:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Bob - maybe part of the problem is I didnt white list the address below the one I had for you was p...@web-options.com Bob Walkden b...@web-options.com both are now whitelisted I also got a message that I had exceeded my list of blocked and whitelisted addresses ! sheesh. Ok ... lets see if it works NOWI'll send you a message to reply to in a minute a Bob W wrote: Thanks Ann. I have just retested sending to you, and have been bounced again. I have saved the bounce message here: http://www.web-options.com/Bounce.txt If necessary you can forward the link to your email provider so they can download the file and analyze what's going on. I've looked at the bounce message myself - it inlcudes a link which I have followed and which theoretically allows me to unblock myself. Whether this works or not remains to be seen - allowing the sender to unblock themselves sounds like a bad idea to me. It might help if you as the receiver follow it and supply the unblock request through that link. Regards Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 17:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Oooh I love that one! BTW -- will try sending me another email off list to see if the problem got corrected ? before I really spend hours listening to recorded messages on the phone to get to tech support on my server? ann Bob W wrote: Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer existential. So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of the Latin Quarter: http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
Well - I got your email off list . If I was up to spending another 20 minutes waiting for the techy to answer and read him your reply , I do it... Meanwhile - I've got your other email addy in my book but since you are the only person at web options it probably prompted the annoying tone of the techy who did seem to be implying it was all your fault. ugh again. jerks. ann Bob W wrote: I'm the only person on web-options, and I'm not spamming anyone. One of the black hats has picked up the domain name and is using it - I've received spam from non-existant email addresses using my domain name. It's very easy to use someone else's domain name as the From: address, and also easy to detect when it's falsely used. Your ISP can't tell the difference between spam and mountain-cured jamon but I'm not going to waste my time discussing it with them, but they probably need to do a something like a reverse dns lookup to distinguish the good from the differently-moral. I have a hotmail address which I will vouchsafe to you privately, but if they don't like web-options they may not like hotmail. Bob ahha! sharing this with all as the only way you can contact me - unless you have an email address that ISN'Tweb-options.com , is through the list . although I bet you could going to my ebay listings and writing me through ebay hint- my ebay seller name is annsan. :) MY server tells me that some naughty person or persons on web-options. com has been sending spam to road runner... so that ALL of road runner is blocking anything and everything from web-options.com until such time as that server convinces roaderuner they ain't gonna send no spam anymore... I paraphrase. sigh... so my techy asks you to contact your server to contact road runner at this address http://security.rr.com/cgi-bin/block-lookup?195.8.89.39 then I got a pompus lecture on how big brother is protecting me from evil spammers. ugh. ann sad Bob W wrote: I replied to your test and it failed again... -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 23:24 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Bob - maybe part of the problem is I didnt white list the address below the one I had for you was p...@web-options.com Bob Walkden b...@web-options.com both are now whitelisted I also got a message that I had exceeded my list of blocked and whitelisted addresses ! sheesh. Ok ... lets see if it works NOWI'll send you a message to reply to in a minute a Bob W wrote: Thanks Ann. I have just retested sending to you, and have been bounced again. I have saved the bounce message here: http://www.web-options.com/Bounce.txt If necessary you can forward the link to your email provider so they can download the file and analyze what's going on. I've looked at the bounce message myself - it inlcudes a link which I have followed and which theoretically allows me to unblock myself. Whether this works or not remains to be seen - allowing the sender to unblock themselves sounds like a bad idea to me. It might help if you as the receiver follow it and supply the unblock request through that link. Regards Bob -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of ann sanfedele Sent: 16 April 2010 17:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question Oooh I love that one! BTW -- will try sending me another email off list to see if the problem got corrected ? before I really spend hours listening to recorded messages on the phone to get to tech support on my server? ann Bob W wrote: Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer existential. So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of the Latin Quarter: http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer existential. So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of the Latin Quarter: http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: L'Etre et le néant, that is the question
So, are you going for the Frank effect? Got to get all the way down to 1/4 sec to introduce a little blur? The lighting and scene are rather nice. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, April 15, 2010, 2:56:21 PM, you wrote: BW Today is the 30th anniversary of Jean-Paul Sartre becoming no longer BW existential. BW So here's a blurry (1/4 sec handheld) black and white picture taken with a BW Leica of some French people in a bistro in the St. Germain des Prés area of BW the Latin Quarter: BW http://www.web-options.com/L173.jpg BW The bistro is La Palette on the rue de Seine - lovely old-fashioned bistro. BW Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
