RE: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
You wanna try the NR in ACR in CS5 - wowsers! Tan.x. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of paul stenquist Sent: Friday, 11 June 2010 3:59 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow! On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > Paul Sorenson wrote: >> Sounds like I need to think seriously about spending $99... :-) -p On >> 6/10/2010 11:50 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: >>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:26, Paul Sorenson wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Good to hear the good news on the noise reduction in v3. Any other comments on V3 vs V2? Is the interface pretty much the same? Is it faster? More info please >>>> >>>> >>> Pretty much the interface is the same. All of the promos say it's a lot faster... not sure I've noticed a serious improvement yet but I haven't put it through its paces too much at the moment. >>> >>> I also like that it has perspective control now (vertical/horizontal). That's one of the very few things I still used PhotoShop for! >>> >>> Import dialog is a lot different. Still adjusting to that. >>> >>> -Charles > > Anyone know if there's any kind of promo pricing for getting LR3 as a > Photoshop-only owner? (I have CS4.) > > I've been considering getting LR as although I have CS4 I mainly use the Bridge and ACR parts of it, at least for 97% of my shots. > > -bmw > z I wouldn't be surprised if you can accomplish the same level of noise reduction with ACR in CS4. I've found it to be very effective. Paul > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
Just tagging into the thread here - The develop module of LR3 and ACR 6.1 are the same. The new features are in both, so if you upgrade to CS5 you'll get the same features. Also - Don't overlook a NAPP membership. It's about $100/year. In addition to the magazine subscription there are a lot of discounts that come with that. Right now, you get 15% Adobe products, free shipping on orders from B&H and Adorama, and many others. Well worth the price if you're going to take advantage of the benefits. NAPP is at photoshopuser.com GS George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com www.georgesphotos.net On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > > On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > >> Paul Sorenson wrote: >>> Sounds like I need to think seriously about spending $99... :-) >>> -p >>> On 6/10/2010 11:50 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:26, Paul Sorenson wrote: > Good to hear the good news on the noise reduction in v3. Any other > comments on V3 vs V2? Is the interface pretty much the same? Is it > faster? More info please > > Pretty much the interface is the same. All of the promos say it's a lot faster... not sure I've noticed a serious improvement yet but I haven't put it through its paces too much at the moment. I also like that it has perspective control now (vertical/horizontal). That's one of the very few things I still used PhotoShop for! Import dialog is a lot different. Still adjusting to that. -Charles >> >> Anyone know if there's any kind of promo pricing for getting LR3 as a >> Photoshop-only owner? (I have CS4.) >> >> I've been considering getting LR as although I have CS4 I mainly use the >> Bridge and ACR parts of it, at least for 97% of my shots. >> >> -bmw >> z > > I wouldn't be surprised if you can accomplish the same level of noise > reduction with ACR in CS4. I've found it to be very effective. > Paul > >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
Is the improvement in the processing engine enough of a change that I should update from PSE3 to PSE8? Most of what is immediately visible in th ensuing updates since PSE3 have been in areas that have little impact on how I use the program. John / WA1JG Charles Robinson wrote: On Jun 10, 2010, at 12:58, paul stenquist wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if you can accomplish the same level of noise reduction with ACR in CS4. I've found it to be very effective. I've read that the NR improvement in LR3 is due to the different processor used for the RAW files. It is the same engine (or whatever you'd call it) as they now use in CS5. I found this to be a good non-Adobe-based summary of the changes/improvements: http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr3_review/lr3-1.htm -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2929 - Release Date: 06/10/10 02:35:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
On Jun 10, 2010, at 12:58, paul stenquist wrote: > > I wouldn't be surprised if you can accomplish the same level of noise > reduction with ACR in CS4. I've found it to be very effective. I've read that the NR improvement in LR3 is due to the different processor used for the RAW files. It is the same engine (or whatever you'd call it) as they now use in CS5. I found this to be a good non-Adobe-based summary of the changes/improvements: http://www.computer-darkroom.com/lr3_review/lr3-1.htm -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
paul stenquist wrote: On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Paul Sorenson wrote: Sounds like I need to think seriously about spending $99... :-) -p On 6/10/2010 11:50 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:26, Paul Sorenson wrote: Good to hear the good news on the noise reduction in v3. Any other comments on V3 vs V2? Is the interface pretty much the same? Is it faster? More info please Pretty much the interface is the same. All of the promos say it's a lot faster... not sure I've noticed a serious improvement yet but I haven't put it through its paces too much at the moment. I also like that it has perspective control now (vertical/horizontal). That's one of the very few things I still used PhotoShop for! Import dialog is a lot different. Still adjusting to that. -Charles Anyone know if there's any kind of promo pricing for getting LR3 as a Photoshop-only owner? (I have CS4.) I've been considering getting LR as although I have CS4 I mainly use the Bridge and ACR parts of it, at least for 97% of my shots. -bmw I wouldn't be surprised if you can accomplish the same level of noise reduction with ACR in CS4. I've found it to be very effective. Paul Me too, Paul. It's usually enough for my shots, even up to ISO 1600. If I need additional NR, I apply a light luminance-only pass in ACR then move the image to CS4 and use Noiseware Pro on it. But I think my workflow would go faster with LR3 rather then Bridge/ACR. Maybe I should just play with the demo for a week and see. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
On Jun 10, 2010, at 1:45 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > Paul Sorenson wrote: >> Sounds like I need to think seriously about spending $99... :-) >> -p >> On 6/10/2010 11:50 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: >>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:26, Paul Sorenson wrote: >>> >>> Good to hear the good news on the noise reduction in v3. Any other comments on V3 vs V2? Is the interface pretty much the same? Is it faster? More info please >>> Pretty much the interface is the same. All of the promos say it's a lot >>> faster... not sure I've noticed a serious improvement yet but I haven't put >>> it through its paces too much at the moment. >>> >>> I also like that it has perspective control now (vertical/horizontal). >>> That's one of the very few things I still used PhotoShop for! >>> >>> Import dialog is a lot different. Still adjusting to that. >>> >>> -Charles > > Anyone know if there's any kind of promo pricing for getting LR3 as a > Photoshop-only owner? (I have CS4.) > > I've been considering getting LR as although I have CS4 I mainly use the > Bridge and ACR parts of it, at least for 97% of my shots. > > -bmw > z I wouldn't be surprised if you can accomplish the same level of noise reduction with ACR in CS4. I've found it to be very effective. Paul > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
Paul Sorenson wrote: Sounds like I need to think seriously about spending $99... :-) -p On 6/10/2010 11:50 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:26, Paul Sorenson wrote: Good to hear the good news on the noise reduction in v3. Any other comments on V3 vs V2? Is the interface pretty much the same? Is it faster? More info please Pretty much the interface is the same. All of the promos say it's a lot faster... not sure I've noticed a serious improvement yet but I haven't put it through its paces too much at the moment. I also like that it has perspective control now (vertical/horizontal). That's one of the very few things I still used PhotoShop for! Import dialog is a lot different. Still adjusting to that. -Charles Anyone know if there's any kind of promo pricing for getting LR3 as a Photoshop-only owner? (I have CS4.) I've been considering getting LR as although I have CS4 I mainly use the Bridge and ACR parts of it, at least for 97% of my shots. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
Sounds like I need to think seriously about spending $99... :-) -p On 6/10/2010 11:50 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:26, Paul Sorenson wrote: Good to hear the good news on the noise reduction in v3. Any other comments on V3 vs V2? Is the interface pretty much the same? Is it faster? More info please Pretty much the interface is the same. All of the promos say it's a lot faster... not sure I've noticed a serious improvement yet but I haven't put it through its paces too much at the moment. I also like that it has perspective control now (vertical/horizontal). That's one of the very few things I still used PhotoShop for! Import dialog is a lot different. Still adjusting to that. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2929 - Release Date: 06/10/10 01:35:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:26, Paul Sorenson wrote: > Good to hear the good news on the noise reduction in v3. Any other comments > on V3 vs V2? Is the interface pretty much the same? Is it faster? More > info please > Pretty much the interface is the same. All of the promos say it's a lot faster... not sure I've noticed a serious improvement yet but I haven't put it through its paces too much at the moment. I also like that it has perspective control now (vertical/horizontal). That's one of the very few things I still used PhotoShop for! Import dialog is a lot different. Still adjusting to that. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:26, Paul Sorenson wrote: > Good to hear the good news on the noise reduction in v3. Any other comments > on V3 vs V2? Is the interface pretty much the same? Is it faster? More > info please > Also: Just closed it and was asked "do you want to backup now?" with the option for doing optimization, checking integrity, etc. Not when I am waiting to START LR, but after I'm done using it. Delightful change. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
> Here we go. > > I had some strong backlighting and underexposed the subject horribly. > > K-7, ISO 800, with the exposure pushed in LR by +2.00 > > The two files have exactly the same processes - one is just a "virtual > copy" of the other with the only difference being the "Process 2003" or > "Process 2010" for the RAW converter. > > It's not perfect, but it's a good example of the differences. > > http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/noise_process_2003.jpg > > and > > http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/noise_process_2010.jpg > > I still think in this case that it's an unusable image. But it's a lot > better with the new process. Many other images in here have gone from > "I guess it's alright" to "hey, not bad at all!" Thanks - that's a very dramatic improvement! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
I was thinking I may not up grade to LR3, but now.?? Dave On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: > On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:02, Bob W wrote: > >> Examples for those of us whose LR3 hasn't arrived yet? >> > > Here we go. > > I had some strong backlighting and underexposed the subject horribly. > > K-7, ISO 800, with the exposure pushed in LR by +2.00 > > The two files have exactly the same processes - one is just a "virtual copy" > of the other with the only difference being the "Process 2003" or "Process > 2010" for the RAW converter. > > It's not perfect, but it's a good example of the differences. > > http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/noise_process_2003.jpg > > and > > http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/noise_process_2010.jpg > > I still think in this case that it's an unusable image. But it's a lot > better with the new process. Many other images in here have gone from "I > guess it's alright" to "hey, not bad at all!" > > -Charles > > -- > Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com > Minneapolis, MN > http://charles.robinsontwins.org > http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
Good to hear the good news on the noise reduction in v3. Any other comments on V3 vs V2? Is the interface pretty much the same? Is it faster? More info please -p On 6/10/2010 10:46 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: I've always thought of NR as something used to smear over grain and noise... and I've always used it sparingly if at all because I never really thought it helped. RAW files that are re-processed with "Process 2010" in LR3 and then have some luminance NR applied look GREAT. A file which was underexposed and processed with LR2 at high ISO would have color blotches and luminance noise all over it. With the "Process 2010" it just has noise (which looks like grain) and NO color blotching. The difference, simply put, is stunning. Makes a guy want to go try out some super-high ISO stuff on the K7. I think I will -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2929 - Release Date: 06/10/10 01:35:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:02, Bob W wrote: > Examples for those of us whose LR3 hasn't arrived yet? > Here we go. I had some strong backlighting and underexposed the subject horribly. K-7, ISO 800, with the exposure pushed in LR by +2.00 The two files have exactly the same processes - one is just a "virtual copy" of the other with the only difference being the "Process 2003" or "Process 2010" for the RAW converter. It's not perfect, but it's a good example of the differences. http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/noise_process_2003.jpg and http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/noise_process_2010.jpg I still think in this case that it's an unusable image. But it's a lot better with the new process. Many other images in here have gone from "I guess it's alright" to "hey, not bad at all!" -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:02, Bob W wrote: > Examples for those of us whose LR3 hasn't arrived yet? > I'll see if I can do some screen grabs of a messy image from "Process 2003" and "Process 2010" for comparison. I'm at work, so might take a little bit of time. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
Examples for those of us whose LR3 hasn't arrived yet? > I've always thought of NR as something used to smear over grain and > noise... and I've always used it sparingly if at all because I never > really thought it helped. > > RAW files that are re-processed with "Process 2010" in LR3 and then > have some luminance NR applied look GREAT. A file which was > underexposed and processed with LR2 at high ISO would have color > blotches and luminance noise all over it. With the "Process 2010" it > just has noise (which looks like grain) and NO color blotching. The > difference, simply put, is stunning. > > Makes a guy want to go try out some super-high ISO stuff on the K7. I > think I will > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Lightroom3 and noise reduction - wow!
I've always thought of NR as something used to smear over grain and noise... and I've always used it sparingly if at all because I never really thought it helped. RAW files that are re-processed with "Process 2010" in LR3 and then have some luminance NR applied look GREAT. A file which was underexposed and processed with LR2 at high ISO would have color blotches and luminance noise all over it. With the "Process 2010" it just has noise (which looks like grain) and NO color blotching. The difference, simply put, is stunning. Makes a guy want to go try out some super-high ISO stuff on the K7. I think I will -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
