Re: Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!

2003-07-30 Thread Caveman
Karl Mengele aka Bruce Rubenstein wrote:
Variable aperture zooms - Robb said he didn't like them because the 
background exposure changes as you change focal length. True for 
aperture ring controlled lenses, but not body controlled ones. I set my 
28-105/3.5-4.5 to f8, via the body control, and that's what it will 
always shoots at.
What happens when you set it via the body control at 1/4 ?

cheers,
caveman


Re: Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!

2003-07-30 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Variable aperture zooms - Robb said he didn't like them because the 
background exposure changes as you change focal length. True for 
aperture ring controlled lenses, but not body controlled ones. I set my 
28-105/3.5-4.5 to f8, via the body control, and that's what it will 
always shoots at.

BR



Re: Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!

2003-07-30 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
35/2, 50/1.7 and 35-105 on the PZ1. If you can MF well the 35-105 would 
be most useful, otherwise stick to the AF primes. A zoom is most useful 
at the reception, but that is also where AF is most useful. Small groups 
the 50, big groups the 35. Portra UC is the film. Putting the flash on a 
bracket would help a lot with the shadows.
Good luck.

BR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Gang,
I've once again unwisely volunteered to do the pictures at the wedding of a
friend. He and she have both assured me the ceremony will be low key, etc.,
etc, but he's also just informed me that almost 40 relatives from her home
country of Belize will be here on Saturday-- so I do feel somewhat pressured
to make sure everything goes well.
I also have just realized that I no longer have a 28-70 2.8 lens, having
sold the one I had do to lack of use.
Even though I have no other zoom in that range, I have several choices on
how to proceed:
The PZ 1, with the AF 500ftz so that I can have the best possible range of
power and TTL Flash possibilities, and if I go that route, my choices of AF
lenses would be:
the 24/2
the 35/2,
the 50/1.7.
The other option I was thinking of was my super program, with the AF 280T,
and in that case, I would have my SMC 35-105 zoom, and lots of manual focus
primes. I'd still get TTL flash, but not quite as powerful as the 500 ftz.
Of course, I could still use the 35-105 on the PZ 1.

I guess all this rambling should be condensed to: should I use the zoom
lens, or maybe I'd do fine with 3 or 4 primes that I could switch around...
I'm thinking the necessity of having to use manual focus should not be a
problem, since my subjects won't be moving too fast to not be able to get
them focused...
Just hoping not to screw this up...

Oh, by the way, I'm thinking of using Portra 400 VC instead of NC. Any
comments on film, too?
Regards,
Sid B



Re: Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!

2003-07-30 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: "Sid Barras"
Subject: Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!

Sid;
I presume the 35-105 is not a constant aperture zoom? If it isn't, then your
backgrounds will be all over the place exposure wise as you zoom the lens
back and forth, if you are using flash.
This may not bother you, but for me it precludes the use of variable
aperture zoom lenses with flash.

I also don't like changing lenses overmuch at weddings, since invariably it
is something done in a hurry, and the chance of jamming a lens or dropping
it increases.

If I recall, the PZ1 is a noisy beast. This can be a distraction for the
wedding itself, as the motor drive happily grinds away and the AF motor
whines back and forth.
These two sounds seem to be picked up quite loudly by video camera
microphones. A wedding I was in had the church portion of the video pretty
much ruined by the noise of the officious photographer's Maxxum 9 and it's
Massey Harris motor drive.

For myself, I always had the best results from a lowly 50mm lens on a manual
focus camera for just about everything except the portraits.

William Robb



> Hi Gang,
> I've once again unwisely volunteered to do the pictures at the wedding of
a
> friend. He and she have both assured me the ceremony will be low key,
etc.,
> etc, but he's also just informed me that almost 40 relatives from her home
> country of Belize will be here on Saturday-- so I do feel somewhat
pressured
> to make sure everything goes well.
>
> I also have just realized that I no longer have a 28-70 2.8 lens, having
> sold the one I had do to lack of use.
>
> Even though I have no other zoom in that range, I have several choices on
> how to proceed:
>
> The PZ 1, with the AF 500ftz so that I can have the best possible range of
> power and TTL Flash possibilities, and if I go that route, my choices of
AF
> lenses would be:
> the 24/2
> the 35/2,
> the 50/1.7.
>
> The other option I was thinking of was my super program, with the AF 280T,
> and in that case, I would have my SMC 35-105 zoom, and lots of manual
focus
> primes. I'd still get TTL flash, but not quite as powerful as the 500 ftz.
>
> Of course, I could still use the 35-105 on the PZ 1.
>
> I guess all this rambling should be condensed to: should I use the zoom
> lens, or maybe I'd do fine with 3 or 4 primes that I could switch
around...
> I'm thinking the necessity of having to use manual focus should not be a
> problem, since my subjects won't be moving too fast to not be able to get
> them focused...
>
> Just hoping not to screw this up...
>
> Oh, by the way, I'm thinking of using Portra 400 VC instead of NC. Any
> comments on film, too?
>
> Regards,
> Sid B
>
>
>



RE: Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!

2003-07-30 Thread tom
> -Original Message-
> From: Sid Barras [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Hi Gang,
> I've once again unwisely volunteered to do the pictures at
> the wedding of a
> friend.

You should know better by now.

>
> The PZ 1, with the AF 500ftz so that I can have the best
> possible range of
> power and TTL Flash possibilities, and if I go that route,
> my choices of AF
> lenses would be:
> the 24/2
> the 35/2,
> the 50/1.7.
>
> The other option I was thinking of was my super program,
> with the AF 280T,
> and in that case, I would have my SMC 35-105 zoom, and lots
> of manual focus
> primes. I'd still get TTL flash, but not quite as powerful
> as the 500 ftz.
>
> Of course, I could still use the 35-105 on the PZ 1.

For "getting ready" and ceremony shots, use the both bodies and the
primes for natural light pics. When you need to use flash, use the
zoom on the PZ-1p.  I'd probably use that combo for most of the
reception.

I guess you'll probably need to use the zoom a bit during the ceremony
as you have no tele prime. If you can't use flash, you'll probably
need a tripod.

You'll need to switch around a bit unless you're going to do the whole
thing with flash, in which case the zoom would be fine.

I'm assuming an A lens won't screw with TTL flash.

>
> Just hoping not to screw this up...
>
> Oh, by the way, I'm thinking of using Portra 400 VC instead
> of NC. Any
> comments on film, too?

I like NC, but it's a personal preference thing.

tv





Re: Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!

2003-07-30 Thread Bruce Dayton
Sid,

Go with whatever camera you use the most and feel the most comfortable
with.  I use a P67II with primes for almost all my wedding work
without any problem.  Comfort and familiarity are the most important
things to not screw up the shoot.  What you don't want to do is be
constantly thinking about the equipment and how to operate it.


Bruce



Wednesday, July 30, 2003, 2:24:00 PM, you wrote:

SB> Hi Gang,
SB> I've once again unwisely volunteered to do the pictures at the wedding of a
SB> friend. He and she have both assured me the ceremony will be low key, etc.,
SB> etc, but he's also just informed me that almost 40 relatives from her home
SB> country of Belize will be here on Saturday-- so I do feel somewhat pressured
SB> to make sure everything goes well.

SB> I also have just realized that I no longer have a 28-70 2.8 lens, having
SB> sold the one I had do to lack of use.

SB> Even though I have no other zoom in that range, I have several choices on
SB> how to proceed:

SB> The PZ 1, with the AF 500ftz so that I can have the best possible range of
SB> power and TTL Flash possibilities, and if I go that route, my choices of AF
SB> lenses would be:
SB> the 24/2
SB> the 35/2,
SB> the 50/1.7.

SB> The other option I was thinking of was my super program, with the AF 280T,
SB> and in that case, I would have my SMC 35-105 zoom, and lots of manual focus
SB> primes. I'd still get TTL flash, but not quite as powerful as the 500 ftz.

SB> Of course, I could still use the 35-105 on the PZ 1.

SB> I guess all this rambling should be condensed to: should I use the zoom
SB> lens, or maybe I'd do fine with 3 or 4 primes that I could switch around...
SB> I'm thinking the necessity of having to use manual focus should not be a
SB> problem, since my subjects won't be moving too fast to not be able to get
SB> them focused...

SB> Just hoping not to screw this up...

SB> Oh, by the way, I'm thinking of using Portra 400 VC instead of NC. Any
SB> comments on film, too?

SB> Regards,
SB> Sid B




Re: Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!

2003-07-30 Thread Bill Owens
I'm by no stretch of the imagination a wedding photog, but...

I shoot candids at all the weddings I attend and find a zoom to be most
valuable since I don't have to spend time changing lenses.  I usually have
the 28-105 PZ attached to the MZ-S.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "Sid Barras" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "pentax group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 5:24 PM
Subject: Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!


> Hi Gang,
> I've once again unwisely volunteered to do the pictures at the wedding of
a
> friend. He and she have both assured me the ceremony will be low key,
etc.,
> etc, but he's also just informed me that almost 40 relatives from her home
> country of Belize will be here on Saturday-- so I do feel somewhat
pressured
> to make sure everything goes well.
>
> I also have just realized that I no longer have a 28-70 2.8 lens, having
> sold the one I had do to lack of use.
>
> Even though I have no other zoom in that range, I have several choices on
> how to proceed:
>
> The PZ 1, with the AF 500ftz so that I can have the best possible range of
> power and TTL Flash possibilities, and if I go that route, my choices of
AF
> lenses would be:
> the 24/2
> the 35/2,
> the 50/1.7.
>
> The other option I was thinking of was my super program, with the AF 280T,
> and in that case, I would have my SMC 35-105 zoom, and lots of manual
focus
> primes. I'd still get TTL flash, but not quite as powerful as the 500 ftz.
>
> Of course, I could still use the 35-105 on the PZ 1.
>
> I guess all this rambling should be condensed to: should I use the zoom
> lens, or maybe I'd do fine with 3 or 4 primes that I could switch
around...
> I'm thinking the necessity of having to use manual focus should not be a
> problem, since my subjects won't be moving too fast to not be able to get
> them focused...
>
> Just hoping not to screw this up...
>
> Oh, by the way, I'm thinking of using Portra 400 VC instead of NC. Any
> comments on film, too?
>
> Regards,
> Sid B
>
>




Need advice from the wedding photogs-- PLease!

2003-07-30 Thread Sid Barras
Hi Gang,
I've once again unwisely volunteered to do the pictures at the wedding of a
friend. He and she have both assured me the ceremony will be low key, etc.,
etc, but he's also just informed me that almost 40 relatives from her home
country of Belize will be here on Saturday-- so I do feel somewhat pressured
to make sure everything goes well.

I also have just realized that I no longer have a 28-70 2.8 lens, having
sold the one I had do to lack of use.

Even though I have no other zoom in that range, I have several choices on
how to proceed:

The PZ 1, with the AF 500ftz so that I can have the best possible range of
power and TTL Flash possibilities, and if I go that route, my choices of AF
lenses would be:
the 24/2
the 35/2,
the 50/1.7.

The other option I was thinking of was my super program, with the AF 280T,
and in that case, I would have my SMC 35-105 zoom, and lots of manual focus
primes. I'd still get TTL flash, but not quite as powerful as the 500 ftz.

Of course, I could still use the 35-105 on the PZ 1.

I guess all this rambling should be condensed to: should I use the zoom
lens, or maybe I'd do fine with 3 or 4 primes that I could switch around...
I'm thinking the necessity of having to use manual focus should not be a
problem, since my subjects won't be moving too fast to not be able to get
them focused...

Just hoping not to screw this up...

Oh, by the way, I'm thinking of using Portra 400 VC instead of NC. Any
comments on film, too?

Regards,
Sid B