Re: New job and Ritz Camera
Hi! On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:24:15 +1100 Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Being programmer is not equivalent to being a coder, is it? Or have struck the language barrier once again? If you can read it, they would not call it code. Oh I see. Well, I write C++ mainly. But just as naturally I am well versed on OOD and so on. Nevertheless, it hasn't occur to me that by "code" they meant anything but program itself, in human readable form. In such a case, I must say I am honored to be a member of a photographic community some members of which are also certified compilers or assemblers . Boris
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
> Being programmer is not equivalent to being a coder, is it? > Or have struck the language barrier once again? If you can read it, they would not call it code. Basically languages such as HTML (HyperText Markup Language) are not computer code but simple Markup. HTML is a subset of SGML, as is XML. Languages such as PHP and Perl are scripting languages, they allow you to write code that performs a task, but is not compiled. The script is easily viewed or modified. Languages such as C and C++ are languages that are compiled into an executable program with a compiler, so that you cannot see the source code and all the scripts or files that make up a program are in a single executable file. Somebody may be able to explain better than I can, I just write it. Kind regards Kevin -- __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
RE: New job and Ritz Camera
> Being programmer is not equivalent to being a coder, is it? > Or have struck the language barrier once again? My husband is a software engineer. He writes tons of code, so technically he's a coder, but he can also design software from scratch, so I wouldn't call him a coder first, even though he does a lot of it... I'm a coder, but I just write HTML and that sort of thing, so I usually tell people I'm a front-end coder, and sometimes they still get confused.
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
Ditto, Micro-, machine-, assembler on up the line. In the early days --- maintained wrote and maintained assemblers, compilers, and operating systems for mainframes in special applications.Last code used in commercial product 1980. Last code for personal use around 1990. Last direction of development of commercial product involving software development 1993. Last use of a compiler for anything meaningful around 1995. Still review machine low level code from time to time to assist with forensic analysis. Now and then get the urge to tweak something, but opening up a system for meaningful code mods these days is no minor challenge. For the most part can find what I need by shopping around for an application package that has the functions I want. I'm perfectly happy to let someone else do the support and modification work. But it was surely a lot of fun. Some great memories. Otis Wright John Francis wrote: In the mainframe days systems analysis, programing, and coding were all different jobs. Now-a-days I understand they are usually combined. Coding was the grunt work. Yes, the term tends to be used derogatorily these days, unless you are talking about microcoding. Everyone who has written workable machine code (not assember code) raise their hand. Been there. Done that. Got the T-shirt. Machine code, assembler, and autcode. Nowadays I don't program in anything lower-level than C. Machines are so much faster (and bigger), and compilers and libraries are so much better, that apart from a few very specialised OS routines (and some of the library routines themselves) there's no real point.
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
Hi, Sunday, December 28, 2003, 5:29:03 AM, you wrote: >> >> some people may tell you that not having a personality is the >> defining characteristic of a coder... > Hey now, I wrote a lot of code back in the day... me too. Still do. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
> > In the mainframe days systems analysis, programing, and coding were all > different jobs. Now-a-days I understand they are usually combined. Coding was > the grunt work. Yes, the term tends to be used derogatorily these days, unless > you are talking about microcoding. Everyone who has written workable machine > code (not assember code) raise their hand. Been there. Done that. Got the T-shirt. Machine code, assembler, and autcode. Nowadays I don't program in anything lower-level than C. Machines are so much faster (and bigger), and compilers and libraries are so much better, that apart from a few very specialised OS routines (and some of the library routines themselves) there's no real point.
RE: New job and Ritz Camera
> -Original Message- > From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi, > > Sunday, December 28, 2003, 2:10:40 AM, you wrote: > > > Thanks! > > > No. I'm an ex- Unix sys-admin now doing technical > account management. I > > don't have the personality to code > > some people may tell you that not having a personality is the > defining characteristic of a coder... Hey now, I wrote a lot of code back in the day... tv
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
In the mainframe days systems analysis, programing, and coding were all different jobs. Now-a-days I understand they are usually combined. Coding was the grunt work. Yes, the term tends to be used derogatorily these days, unless you are talking about microcoding. Everyone who has written workable machine code (not assember code) raise their hand. -- Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! No. I'm an ex- Unix sys-admin now doing technical account management. I don't have the personality to code BW> some people may tell you that not having a personality is the BW> defining characteristic of a coder... Being programmer is not equivalent to being a coder, is it? Or have struck the language barrier once again? Or could it be I just uncovered the conspiracy of sys admins against the programmers? Boris -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
Hi! >> No. I'm an ex- Unix sys-admin now doing technical account management. I >> don't have the personality to code BW> some people may tell you that not having a personality is the BW> defining characteristic of a coder... Being programmer is not equivalent to being a coder, is it? Or have struck the language barrier once again? Or could it be I just uncovered the conspiracy of sys admins against the programmers? Boris
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
exactly! Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Bob W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Re: New job and Ritz Camera > Hi, > > Sunday, December 28, 2003, 2:10:40 AM, you wrote: > > > Thanks! > > > No. I'm an ex- Unix sys-admin now doing technical account management. I > > don't have the personality to code > > some people may tell you that not having a personality is the > defining characteristic of a coder... > > -- > Cheers, > Bob >
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
Hi, Sunday, December 28, 2003, 2:10:40 AM, you wrote: > Thanks! > No. I'm an ex- Unix sys-admin now doing technical account management. I > don't have the personality to code some people may tell you that not having a personality is the defining characteristic of a coder... -- Cheers, Bob
Re: New job and Ritz Camera
Congratulations! So you're a progammer like me, are you not? Boris
RE: New job and Ritz Camera
Congrats on the new job, Christian (assuming this to be an upward re-assignment, that is...) cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Christian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: New job and Ritz Camera Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:58:13 -0500 I just changed jobs this week and started working for a software company = in Washington, DC. Just around the corner there is a One-Hour MotoPhoto and across the = street is the biggest Ritz Camera store I've ever seen. Surprisingly, for a Ritz, it is well stocked with high-end gear and more = surprisingly, with lots of Pentax bodies, lenses and accessories. And = not just the cheap stuff either. I saw several FA* lenses as well as = the *ist-D in my 5 minute browse through the store. Soon I will check = out their printing service for convenience and will compare them to the = MotoPhoto as well as the store I go to in Northern Virginia. I've never liked Ritz because of their prices were way to high and = because they NEVER had what I wanted or had a knowledgeable staff. = Maybe this store is different Christian _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
RE: New job and Ritz Camera
Didn't they buy a big West Coast store - Camera World or some such? I wonder how they are doing under the new management? -Original Message- From: Butch Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: December 26, 2003 8:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: New job and Ritz Camera Ritz has a few "pro" oriented stores in their chain. Usually it came from their buying out a high end dealer or local chain. They were usually good as long as the original owner and/or staff remained. But Ritz has no viable working plan for their high volume stores, so once the old staff leaves the store usually drops down to their annoying mediocrity.
RE: New job and Ritz Camera
Congrats on the new job. Ritz has a few "pro" oriented stores in their chain. Usually it came from their buying out a high end dealer or local chain. They were usually good as long as the original owner and/or staff remained. But Ritz has no viable working plan for their high volume stores, so once the old staff leaves the store usually drops down to their annoying mediocrity. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
New job and Ritz Camera
I just changed jobs this week and started working for a software company = in Washington, DC. Just around the corner there is a One-Hour MotoPhoto and across the = street is the biggest Ritz Camera store I've ever seen. Surprisingly, for a Ritz, it is well stocked with high-end gear and more = surprisingly, with lots of Pentax bodies, lenses and accessories. And = not just the cheap stuff either. I saw several FA* lenses as well as = the *ist-D in my 5 minute browse through the store. Soon I will check = out their printing service for convenience and will compare them to the = MotoPhoto as well as the store I go to in Northern Virginia. I've never liked Ritz because of their prices were way to high and = because they NEVER had what I wanted or had a knowledgeable staff. = Maybe this store is different Christian
