OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
I'm back from trip. Had fun, will share some photos later. Is everyone happy with the K10D? Looks pretty good to me, and I didn't even know it was going to have two new sensitivity settings -- which I like. Okay, I started a Photoshop class last night. Taught by our local civic arts. Arrived back in time for the class just as I returned from trip. Not what I hoped for since they are using Elements 2 and PS 6. However, I already learned two new things (new to me) so I will stick with it. I will learn something despite the older software. But when cameras were discussed the first night the teacher only mentioned: Canon, Nikon, and Olympus -- basically saying they are the only serious players. I was not Pentaxian enough to debate him, or not Pentaxian again enough to debate him. :-) Thinking about taking in a specification sheet for the K10D before the class is over, and maybe sales numbers for the DLs and DSs. Isn't Pentax outselling Olympus? Or is it? Anyone have any other suggestions of what to take in to get this guy better informed? He didn't know about Elements 5 with curves, so I told him about that. Obviously he's a bit behind, but since he teaches classes to a fair number of people over the course of a year maybe he should be upgraded. Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
Take a class in the current v of PS - the teacher is an idiot. The diff tween 6 and CS or CS2 is SUBSTANTIAL! why learn something that's not going to be very valuable or useful. Welcome back. Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Date: 9/19/2006 10:37:39 AM Subject: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions I'm back from trip. Had fun, will share some photos later. Is everyone happy with the K10D? Looks pretty good to me, and I didn't even know it was going to have two new sensitivity settings -- which I like. Okay, I started a Photoshop class last night. Taught by our local civic arts. Arrived back in time for the class just as I returned from trip. Not what I hoped for since they are using Elements 2 and PS 6. However, I already learned two new things (new to me) so I will stick with it. I will learn something despite the older software. But when cameras were discussed the first night the teacher only mentioned: Canon, Nikon, and Olympus -- basically saying they are the only serious players. I was not Pentaxian enough to debate him, or not Pentaxian again enough to debate him. :-) Thinking about taking in a specification sheet for the K10D before the class is over, and maybe sales numbers for the DLs and DSs. Isn't Pentax outselling Olympus? Or is it? Anyone have any other suggestions of what to take in to get this guy better informed? He didn't know about Elements 5 with curves, so I told him about that. Obviously he's a bit behind, but since he teaches classes to a fair number of people over the course of a year maybe he should be upgraded. Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
I agree with Shel. If you're paying for this class you could probably do with a more current version of PS - unless you're totally new to PS. Also if the teacher is a graphic artist/designer not a photographer, you'll get a totally different view of PS. I say this from experience after attending a couple of PS classes being taught by a non photographer. I don't think you need to do anything to inform your instructor about Pentax except show him some images taken with a Pentax. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions Take a class in the current v of PS - the teacher is an idiot. The diff tween 6 and CS or CS2 is SUBSTANTIAL! why learn something that's not going to be very valuable or useful. Welcome back. Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Date: 9/19/2006 10:37:39 AM Subject: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions I'm back from trip. Had fun, will share some photos later. Is everyone happy with the K10D? Looks pretty good to me, and I didn't even know it was going to have two new sensitivity settings -- which I like. Okay, I started a Photoshop class last night. Taught by our local civic arts. Arrived back in time for the class just as I returned from trip. Not what I hoped for since they are using Elements 2 and PS 6. However, I already learned two new things (new to me) so I will stick with it. I will learn something despite the older software. But when cameras were discussed the first night the teacher only mentioned: Canon, Nikon, and Olympus -- basically saying they are the only serious players. I was not Pentaxian enough to debate him, or not Pentaxian again enough to debate him. :-) Thinking about taking in a specification sheet for the K10D before the class is over, and maybe sales numbers for the DLs and DSs. Isn't Pentax outselling Olympus? Or is it? Anyone have any other suggestions of what to take in to get this guy better informed? He didn't know about Elements 5 with curves, so I told him about that. Obviously he's a bit behind, but since he teaches classes to a fair number of people over the course of a year maybe he should be upgraded. Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
In a message dated 9/19/2006 10:54:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take a class in the current v of PS - the teacher is an idiot. The diff tween 6 and CS or CS2 is SUBSTANTIAL! why learn something that's not going to be very valuable or useful. Welcome back. Shel === Well, it isn't him. It's the computers they have, that the city can afford. They are running Windows NT, so they don't support newer versions of software. Supposedly they will upgrade someday to new computers and XP, but he did not expect it soon. It's easy to say he's an idiot, but the only classes I found with current software are through the local camera store and they don't go into very much depth -- only four weeks and about what I know already. Shel, they guy must reach about 50 people a year in his classes, so it wouldn't hurt to get him better informed about Pentax regardless of what you or I or anyone else thinks of him. Thanks, it was a good trip. Marnie -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
In a message dated 9/19/2006 11:26:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think you need to do anything to inform your instructor about Pentax except show him some images taken with a Pentax. Kenneth Waller === No, he's a photographer. Had a portfolio of some of his work. Not bad, not great, but not bad and some experimental stuff. Good idea re the last. Marnie aka Doe Except I don't have a Pentax camera --- yet. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
On Sep 19, 2006, at 10:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm back from trip. Had fun, will share some photos later. Glad you had a good trip, welcome back! Is everyone happy with the K10D? Looks pretty good to me, and I didn't even know it was going to have two new sensitivity settings -- which I like. I expect to be. ;-) Okay, I started a Photoshop class last night. Taught by our local civic arts. Arrived back in time for the class just as I returned from trip. Not what I hoped for since they are using Elements 2 and PS 6. However, I already learned two new things (new to me) so I will stick with it. I will learn something despite the older software. But when cameras were discussed the first night the teacher only mentioned: Canon, Nikon, and Olympus -- basically saying they are the only serious players. I was not Pentaxian enough to debate him, or not Pentaxian again enough to debate him. :-) Thinking about taking in a specification sheet for the K10D before the class is over, and maybe sales numbers for the DLs and DSs. Isn't Pentax outselling Olympus? Or is it? Anyone have any other suggestions of what to take in to get this guy better informed? He didn't know about Elements 5 with curves, so I told him about that. Obviously he's a bit behind, but since he teaches classes to a fair number of people over the course of a year maybe he should be upgraded. I wouldn't want to judge an instructor without knowing more about his background and reviewing his class. Using software that is somewhat behind the times, or lower spec than you're using, you have to evaluate what is being articulated and apply the concepts to your current tool suite. Regards his comments about cameras, well, I'm pretty tired of trying to justify Pentax or Sony or Panasonic .. .or anything else ... even to photographers who should know better. So he has a prejudice to prefer Canon, Nikon and Olympus: so do thousands of other photographers, although Olympus less so than the other two. A Photoshop class should be camera agnostic. From the standpoint of image processing, what camera made a particular image file, RAW or JPEG, is almost completely irrelevant presuming that Photoshop's RAW conversion is applicable. Given the level of the software being used, you're not going to get into RAW processing with Camera Raw at all, which is a darn shame as that is where most of the capabilities of digital cameras are, in RAW format capture. You'll be talking entirely RGB level editing capabilities, and almost entirely 8bit work. There's a lot to be had there, if the instructor is any good. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
In a message dated 9/19/2006 11:54:45 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A Photoshop class should be camera agnostic. From the standpoint of image processing, what camera made a particular image file, RAW or JPEG, is almost completely irrelevant presuming that Photoshop's RAW conversion is applicable. Given the level of the software being used, you're not going to get into RAW processing with Camera Raw at all, which is a darn shame as that is where most of the capabilities of digital cameras are, in RAW format capture. You'll be talking entirely RGB level editing capabilities, and almost entirely 8bit work. There's a lot to be had there, if the instructor is any good. Godfrey Yeah, I know that is why I was disappointed, not using RAW conversion in CS (which I have) or CS2. I really did want that. He taught art and photography classes in colleges for something like 20 years. Basically retired now, I guess, and teaching classes at the local civic arts (adult ed). They get some pretty decent teachers here. I picked up a few things already, but I plan to go through some books afterwards, like Frasier's. I need sort of hands on to learn better, just reading and doing my own exercises doesn't do it for me. Maybe a book followup will. Hopefully. Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
Except I don't have a Pentax camera --- yet. :-) That can change quick around here ! LOL Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions In a message dated 9/19/2006 11:26:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think you need to do anything to inform your instructor about Pentax except show him some images taken with a Pentax. Kenneth Waller === No, he's a photographer. Had a portfolio of some of his work. Not bad, not great, but not bad and some experimental stuff. Good idea re the last. Marnie aka Doe Except I don't have a Pentax camera --- yet. :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
Kenneth Waller wrote: Except I don't have a Pentax camera --- yet. :-) That can change quick around here ! LOL Kenneth Waller Indeed it can ;-) -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: I'm back, Everyone Happy?, PS Class Questions
I agree that the difference between PS v6.0 CS2 is substantial, but the basics haven't changed. Curves, Levels, layers, layer masking, adjustment layers, USM (the major tools for image processing as far as I'm concerned), are the same. Once you have a firm grounding using those tools, then you can start in on the extras offered in CS CS2. Have fun Marnie. Cheers, Dave On 9/20/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take a class in the current v of PS - the teacher is an idiot. The diff tween 6 and CS or CS2 is SUBSTANTIAL! why learn something that's not going to be very valuable or useful. Welcome back. Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
