Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Aug 16, 2011, at 2:53 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: S, Only problem is his brakes are probably better than yours... I wouldn't think so. MTB brakes would stop you far quicker than a truck, especially an articulated one. Truckers have to be very aware of their stopping distances and they risk jackknifing if they brake too hard. But the closer you follow the better your reflexes need to be :) I drafted for the first time just the other day, but I was only drafting behind another couple of road cyclists. It's amazing how much energy you save and goes a long way towards explaining why I can never drop people who sit on my wheel when I'm out on a solo training ride. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Aug 16, 2011, at 12:23 AM, David Mann wrote: On Aug 16, 2011, at 2:53 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: S, Only problem is his brakes are probably better than yours... I wouldn't think so. MTB brakes would stop you far quicker than a truck, especially an articulated one. Truckers have to be very aware of their stopping distances and they risk jackknifing if they brake too hard. But the closer you follow the better your reflexes need to be :) I drafted for the first time just the other day, but I was only drafting behind another couple of road cyclists. It's amazing how much energy you save and goes a long way towards explaining why I can never drop people who sit on my wheel when I'm out on a solo training ride. Just start pedaling with a weird cadence, speeding up and slowing down so that they can't be so close without risking hitting you. Or, probably safer, you could try swerving a couple of feet to the side before sprinting. That way they suddenly go from being in the draft and not having to pedal so hard, to getting a bunch of wind slowing them down, while you are already pushing hard to speed up. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Subash wrote: On another ride (I think it was the metric double that I did without training, on a bike without a front derailleur, I was chatting up a girl I had caught up with and she said she needed to back off the pace. I said she could draft me if she wanted. With her back there I slipped into the zone and pretty much forgot about everything until a while later, I heard a voice saying you've pulled the line for a quite a while, I can lead if you want. I looked back and there was a long draft line behind me. nice story. thanks for sharing. when we do group rides here, it is usually about six to eight people and within the 20th km we are all spread out far and wide so never done something like that... :) This was an organized ride, with rest stops, sag wagons etc. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Aug 16, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Just start pedaling with a weird cadence, speeding up and slowing down so that they can't be so close without risking hitting you. Or, probably safer, you could try swerving a couple of feet to the side before sprinting. That way they suddenly go from being in the draft and not having to pedal so hard, to getting a bunch of wind slowing them down, while you are already pushing hard to speed up. It doesn't happen often and it doesn't really bother me much... I just like my solo rides to be solo so I can go my own way at my own pace :) Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 07:23:23PM +1200, David Mann wrote: I drafted for the first time just the other day, but I was only drafting behind another couple of road cyclists. It's amazing how much energy you save ... According to the Versus Tour-de-France commentators (who have ridden in the tour, so presumably know something about it) you use something like 30% less energy when you are drafting. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
From: David Mann On Aug 16, 2011, at 2:53 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: S, Only problem is his brakes are probably better than yours... I wouldn't think so. MTB brakes would stop you far quicker than a truck, especially an articulated one. Truckers have to be very aware of their stopping distances and they risk jackknifing if they brake too hard. But the closer you follow the better your reflexes need to be The truck driver does get a head start. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:07 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 07:23:23PM +1200, David Mann wrote: I drafted for the first time just the other day, but I was only drafting behind another couple of road cyclists. It's amazing how much energy you save ... According to the Versus Tour-de-France commentators (who have ridden in the tour, so presumably know something about it) you use something like 30% less energy when you are drafting. I suspect it's even more than that, depending on what you're drafting. When I was training for the DC one day, I expected to miss my afternoon class, when one of my classmates rode by on her moped. I was able to draft her at something like 25 MPH when my normal cruising speed was much closer to 15. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen I suspect it's even more than that, depending on what you're drafting. When I was training for the DC one day, I expected to miss my afternoon class, when one of my classmates rode by on her moped. I was able to draft her at something like 25 MPH when my normal cruising speed was much closer to 15. ignore the naff video, but enjoy the music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHYkWkw_rMM B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: the heady feeling of drafting
occasioned by drew's OT running post... did a century ride on the cycle yesterday (about 134 km in a little more than six hours on an MTB on a regular highway :)). the highlight was drafting for about 10km behind a petrol tanker truck at about 35km/h. have seen guys doing it behind faster-moving trucks, but since this was my first time, chose a not-so-fast truck to draft behind. quite a heady and addictive feeling... :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
S, Only problem is his brakes are probably better than yours... Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: occasioned by drew's OT running post... did a century ride on the cycle yesterday (about 134 km in a little more than six hours on an MTB on a regular highway :)). the highlight was drafting for about 10km behind a petrol tanker truck at about 35km/h. have seen guys doing it behind faster-moving trucks, but since this was my first time, chose a not-so-fast truck to draft behind. quite a heady and addictive feeling... :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
My father-in-law told me once of an incident that happened to him he was bus driver back in the days when town buses had the open platform at the rear where passengers could jump on and off. He was bringing a bus back to the main depot from one of the smaller ones, as he was not in service he was travelling about 40 mph along a long straight road, he put the indicator on and braked to turn into the depot. There was a horrible clatter and cyclist and his bike were suddenly right up the front of the bus next to him in the driver's seat. The poor chap had been drafting him but couldn't get out of the way when he braked and 'used' the open platform at the rear to get on-board. He apparently 'only' broke his leg and got cuts and bruises. Drew. On 15/08/11 15:53, Bob Sullivan wrote: S, Only problem is his brakes are probably better than yours... Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Subashpdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: occasioned by drew's OT running post... did a century ride on the cycle yesterday (about 134 km in a little more than six hours on an MTB on a regular highway :)). the highlight was drafting for about 10km behind a petrol tanker truck at about 35km/h. have seen guys doing it behind faster-moving trucks, but since this was my first time, chose a not-so-fast truck to draft behind. quite a heady and addictive feeling... :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Subash wrote: occasioned by drew's OT running post... did a century ride on the cycle yesterday (about 134 km in a little more Interesting that you call that a century. The one ride I did of that length they called a metric double. than six hours on an MTB on a regular highway :)). the highlight was drafting for about 10km behind a petrol tanker truck at about 35km/h. have seen guys doing it behind faster-moving trucks, but since this was my first time, chose a not-so-fast truck to draft behind. quite a heady and addictive feeling... :) I've never drafted a truck, but back in college when I did longer rides, I did a lot of wheelsucking. Perhaps the best one was the time I rode the Davis Double Century solo. My goal was to be back by dark, and when I was about 50 miles out it looked like there was no way I was going to make it. Then a tandem went past like I was standing still, so I asked if I could draft. They said no problem and I jumped in behind them. Within a couple of miles the draft line had grown to about 30 bikes. The reason the tandem was running so late was that at the start of the ride there are all these huge packs and draft lines of 50, maybe 150 bikes. Every year, someone will see a cop car at one of the farm road intersections and before they notice the cop is controlling traffic will slam on their brakes to keep from running the stop sign that they were going to blow off. It is not a good thing when someone suddenly slams on their brakes in the middle of a draft line. On another ride (I think it was the metric double that I did without training, on a bike without a front derailleur, I was chatting up a girl I had caught up with and she said she needed to back off the pace. I said she could draft me if she wanted. With her back there I slipped into the zone and pretty much forgot about everything until a while later, I heard a voice saying you've pulled the line for a quite a while, I can lead if you want. I looked back and there was a long draft line behind me. -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
Judging by some of the trucks I've seen on the roads out there, I wouldn't be too sure about that ... On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 09:53:27AM -0500, Bob Sullivan wrote: S, Only problem is his brakes are probably better than yours... Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Subash pdml.l...@gmail.com wrote: occasioned by drew's OT running post... did a century ride on the cycle yesterday (about 134 km in a little more than six hours on an MTB on a regular highway :)). the highlight was drafting for about 10km behind a petrol tanker truck at about 35km/h. have seen guys doing it behind faster-moving trucks, but since this was my first time, chose a not-so-fast truck to draft behind. quite a heady and addictive feeling... :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:25:09 +0100 Drew d...@rileyelf.free-online.co.uk wrote: My father-in-law told me once of an incident that happened to him he was bus driver back in the days when town buses had the open platform at the rear where passengers could jump on and off. He was bringing a bus back to the main depot from one of the smaller ones, as he was not in service he was travelling about 40 mph along a long straight road, he put the indicator on and braked to turn into the depot. There was a horrible clatter and cyclist and his bike were suddenly right up the front of the bus next to him in the driver's seat. The poor chap had been drafting him but couldn't get out of the way when he braked and 'used' the open platform at the rear to get on-board. He apparently 'only' broke his leg and got cuts and bruises. our roads being what they are especially during /immediately after monsoons, there is also the additional problem of (sometimes huge) potholes since one can't see the road ahead. i guess most cyclists who draft know what is involved and like i told Bob, i have been cycling for almost two years now and just wanted to see what it was like... :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:53:27 -0500 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: S, Only problem is his brakes are probably better than yours... Bob, you are probably right. i guess i just wanted to see what it felt like. i probably won't do it for a living :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:03:02 -0400 John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: Judging by some of the trucks I've seen on the roads out there, I wouldn't be too sure about that ... :) some of them wouldn't have working brake lights either, not that it would make a difference in those circumstances... :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the heady feeling of drafting
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:52:11 -0700 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: Interesting that you call that a century. The one ride I did of that length they called a metric double. Larry, hereabouts a 100km ride is a called century ride and a 160km (100 miles) ride is called an imperial century. I've never drafted a truck, but back in college when I did longer rides, I did a lot of wheelsucking. Perhaps the best one was the time I rode the Davis Double Century solo. My goal was to be back by dark, and when I was about 50 miles out it looked like there was no way I was going to make it. Then a tandem went past like I was standing still, so I asked if I could draft. They said no problem and I jumped in behind them. Within a couple of miles the draft line had grown to about 30 bikes. The reason the tandem was running so late was that at the start of the ride there are all these huge packs and draft lines of 50, maybe 150 bikes. Every year, someone will see a cop car at one of the farm road intersections and before they notice the cop is controlling traffic will slam on their brakes to keep from running the stop sign that they were going to blow off. It is not a good thing when someone suddenly slams on their brakes in the middle of a draft line. On another ride (I think it was the metric double that I did without training, on a bike without a front derailleur, I was chatting up a girl I had caught up with and she said she needed to back off the pace. I said she could draft me if she wanted. With her back there I slipped into the zone and pretty much forgot about everything until a while later, I heard a voice saying you've pulled the line for a quite a while, I can lead if you want. I looked back and there was a long draft line behind me. nice story. thanks for sharing. when we do group rides here, it is usually about six to eight people and within the 20th km we are all spread out far and wide so never done something like that... :) -- regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
