Re: OT:I Need More Speed
I think the original speed restriction on the telephone lines were set into law many years ago, maybe as far back as the 1940's. So, at that time, 53K data transmission speeds seemed impossibleand we have just never seen fit to review and revise the law. - Original Message - From: Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: Re: OT:I Need More Speed So the US is full of sub-standard equipment? Or is it a ploy to sell more ISDN lines? If you or any other technical person knows the reason please let me know why 56k modems are limited by law to 53k in the US. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
Nope it's all about level discipline and what constitutes voice-grade service. The phone companies aren't interested in providing any more than they have to in order to meet their legal requirements. It's not all bad, though. They are upgrading things as they need replacement but they have a schedule for replacing equipment and they have an obligation to show profits for their stockholders as well as paying all of their employees. We are not quite at the point where the state owns the utilities, yet. Len --- So the US is full of sub-standard equipment? Or is it a ploy to sell more ISDN lines? If you or any other technical person knows the reason please let me know why 56k modems are limited by law to 53k in the US. Oh, and I never really thought I'd be arrested :) Leon - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT:I Need More Speed
I don't know about laws limiting line speeds, and certainly back in 1940's that would surprise me. There is one thing for POTS that limits speed. The bandwidth that was defined to transport human voice in a way that would make 95% of the voices recognisable was established between 300 and 3400 Hz. From this definition the connections were optimised. Pupin coils were added in the lines to give a flat response in this bandwidth, but making it worse outside of that. On these analogue lines the 56k is about the theoretical maximum speed achievable. This speed is not available since a very long time, in 1995 speeds of 28k8 where the max, and 56k was only developed later, so I fail to understand what this has to do with limits from the 1940's. My experience with the USA versus the Netherlands versus the UK as far as speed goes: the highest speeds I have obtained was in the Netherlands, and I lived very close to the switch (central office) in the Netherlands. 53k is what I have achieved if I remember correct. In the UK I live further away, and I don't get anything faster then 28k. In the USA on the two locations where I lived the speed was below what I achieved in the Netherlands, using the same modem. The equipment of the telephone company has not much to do with the speed, the switch in the Netherlands is even build by an American company, it is the line quality that matters most. The lines I had to deal with in the USA are typically far longer, and above the surface of the earth, therefor more susceptible for outside influences like thunderstorms and other forms of radiation. Obviously my observations have been limited to just a few places and are not statistically significant. ISDN is more popular in Europe then the USA. This advantage might prove a disadvantage in deploying the next generation of technology, like ADSL. If there is a lot of ISDN installed, there will be less interest for ISDN. ISDN is typically not much faster then 56k (64k) unless you combine two channels to get 128k. Connection however is a lot faster with ISDN, and the speed is more stable. Your cable company might offer you fast internet over the coax TV cable, check with your cable company. Another development is high speed data-connection over the power lines into your house, with the added advantage of flexibility. You can put your computer anywhere in the house where you want, and don't need a separate connection for the data. The speeds achievable with this technology are even higher compared to internet over the coax cable or ADSL. Check with your electricity company. And then there is of course the 3G in mobile communication: UMTS and CDMA2000, which will give you a fixed connection as well. I think it will take quite a while before this is an attractive option for home use, this technology will take off with mobile users first I think. This is also quite new and not available yet. Frits Wüthrich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Glover Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:I Need More Speed I think the original speed restriction on the telephone lines were set into law many years ago, maybe as far back as the 1940's. So, at that time, 53K data transmission speeds seemed impossibleand we have just never seen fit to review and revise the law. - Original Message - From: Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: Re: OT:I Need More Speed So the US is full of sub-standard equipment? Or is it a ploy to sell more ISDN lines? If you or any other technical person knows the reason please let me know why 56k modems are limited by law to 53k in the US. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Leon Altoff wrote: So the US is full of sub-standard equipment? Or is it a ploy to sell more ISDN lines? If you or any other technical person knows the reason please let me know why 56k modems are limited by law to 53k in the US. ISDN never took off here, at all. There's no ploy to sell more, because I don't think the telcos even want to admit ISDN exists at all, anymore. There's all sorts of strange laws, for instance, despite the fact that DSL is quite capable of extending out to 70K feet from the switch, current laws and nonsense forbid it beyond lenths of 30K feet from the switch. Who knows. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT:I Need More Speed
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, [iso-8859-1] Frits J. Wüthrich wrote: what I have achieved if I remember correct. In the UK I live further away, and I don't get anything faster then 28k. Look, I can shine with more anchient data from my mind! The reason you can't do above that is because your call is being sent through more than a single Analogue to Digital Converter. The way that 56K modems work is by NOT translating the data the same traditional way that modems have always done so, and by NOT modulating the data, they can essentially cram twice as much throught the phone line. Multiple ADCs breaks that, so that you're stuck doing it the traditional way. Try different numbers, its possible your call may be routed a different way that eliminates the offending ADCs. is typically not much faster then 56k (64k) unless you combine two channels to get 128k. Connection however is a lot faster with ISDN, and the speed is more stable. The big problem with ISDN in the States is that it is metered. Every minute you're on, you pay (or whatever, it ccomes from a pool, like celular phones). The work around for this is that you get a business ISDN line, and you never take it out of voice. That is, you use it to get a solid 56K connection, instead of a 64K connection. By doing that, you can avoid the metering. Many are the times I was going to ditch my cable modem and go that route. I never did. I eventually got tired of the whole sorry mess, and disconnected everything from my home. Now the only PC use I've got is at work, which is more than enough for me. -- http://www.infotainment.org The destructive character is cheerful. - Walter Benjamin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
It's probably you're phone lines. The modem will try it's fastest speed first then keep falling back until it reaches a reliable data transfer rate. You should probably try to get your local phone company to do something about the noisy lines, I don't hold out much hope that they'll do anything. At 04:41 AM 2/4/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hi Gang Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
- Original Message - From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: Re: OT:I Need More Speed I missed alot of this, but allow 3 years of internet tech support geekiness to give you your answers: Geeky? Perhaps. But absolutely correct. My main field of endeavor is telecommunications, and you have stated the facts clearly. I won't comment more than this once because I have been flamed for this kind of stuff in the past. Len (Who is a telecomm specialist for the DoD in his day job) --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
Connection speed is not just based on your modem it is also based on the modem bank you are connecting to. Also, connection speed has nothing at all to do with computer speed. Speed of the modems is a theoretical upper limit and you'll never see the maximum speed as the phone lines degrade the speed as well. Be happy you are getting 45k. I live in the internet capital (just outside of DC. AOL down the road lots of technology, and I can never get above 33k Christian. PS if you want speed get DSL or Cable but keep in mind that they are not the end-all-be-all either unless you know how to play your ISP. On Monday 04 February 2002 07:41, you wrote: Hi Gang Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
In a nutshell, no. 45K is really about the limit for a 56K modem. Before I got the cable modem, I was lucky to get 35k or so with a 56K. Bill KG4LOV, WPRS983 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:41 AM Subject: OT:I Need More Speed Hi Gang Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
At 04:41 4.2.2002 -0800, you wrote: Hi Gang Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. -- Shel Belinkoff Hi Shel, The 56K is the theoretical maximum speed, but it is normal to get speeds in the 45K range in the real life. I have never managed to get a pure 56K connection. My absolute max. has always been around 49-50K. (And I have used dozens of modems on dozens of different phone-lines). The actual speed depends on the quality (and length) of the phone lines and I suspect 56K is only possible in a modem laboratory ;-) The modem may also alter the connection speed while you are connected, up or down... depending on the quality of the connection. It will not let you know about the change. To get reliable higher speeds, you need to take look at ISDN or xDSL. Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT:I Need More Speed
Hi Gang Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gang Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. The maximum speed you get depends on the quality of your phone line. Are you sure that the in-house wiring is good? You may have a noisy phone line, sonething your telco is supposed to correct. Back in the old days I used a 9600 bps modem but it wouldn't go past 4800 bps. So I called KPN (the telco here) to ask them what to do about it. The lady on the other end knew *nothing* about modems so she could not help me. Some time afterward I used that modem again - without changing anything - and suddenly I had a 9600 bps connection! Later I learned that KPN replaced an analog exchange in a nearby town with a digital one and the speed cap was caused by that old exchange. -- http://ebg13.com \\|// Registered Linux user #78364 - The Linux Counter - http://counter.li.org Assume nothing, expect anything. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
Hi Shel, There are some programs on Tucows that will fine tune a modem, but 45K is doing quite good for a 56K. I think the best I ever got with mine was 48K. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:41 AM Subject: OT:I Need More Speed Hi Gang Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 15:15:03 +0200, Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: My absolute max. has always been around 49-50K. (And I have used dozens of modems on dozens of different phone-lines). The actual, practical maximum for a 56K modem is 53K. I've never seen it actually happen, though. I live in an area with very good lines and a good CO and I occasionally get 52K, but usually 48K. Better modems will get faster speeds on the same line, but the line places an absolute upper limit on them. This is an area where a more expensive modem will often outperform a cheaper one, but probably not enough to justify the cost unless you're moving a _lot_ of data back and forth. If you're consistently getting 33.6 or less with your 56K modem, it's very likely that the equipment at the CO or the lines between your house and the CO aren't capable of providing 56K speeds. There can only be one analog-to-digital conversion between the modem and the CO switch for you to get more than 33.6 speeds. When I moved to my current house four and a half years ago, I'd only been able to get over 33.6 at my previous house for six months or a year, after they upgraded all of the switching fabric in my area. The modem may also alter the connection speed while you are connected, up or down... depending on the quality of the connection. It will not let you know about the change. Yes, it will change speeds, and no, it won't tell you. But unless it down shifts pretty significantly, you probably won't notice it. And a lot of modems won't up shift again, either, until you hang up the line and start a new connection. This is another area where a more expensive modem will often outperform a cheaper one. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
Shel, It's in the phone lines, in the house or back to the substation. There is no way to adjust your modem... Regards, Bob S. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
Well, thanks gang ... looks like I'm gonna be stuck in the 20th century a while longer. At least it's an improvement over the 28.8 modem I'd been using. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: OT:I Need More Speed
Hi Shel.I just upgraded my computer from an old p100,28k modem to56 k modem and the best i have gotten is about 45-46 k. Looks like we are all in the same boat. Dave Begin Original Message From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:59:38 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:I Need More Speed Well, thanks gang ... looks like I'm gonna be stuck in the 20th century a while longer. At least it's an improvement over the 28.8 modem I'd been using. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT:I Need More Speed
i get 50.6 k everytime on my 56k modem. JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Owens Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:I Need More Speed In a nutshell, no. 45K is really about the limit for a 56K modem. Before I got the cable modem, I was lucky to get 35k or so with a 56K. Bill KG4LOV, WPRS983 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:41 AM Subject: OT:I Need More Speed Hi Gang Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Gang Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. -- Part of the speed factor is also your distance form the phone company's distribution station. I used to live farther from town always got on at 33k, after I moved closer to town I usually get on at 49k, sometimes as low as 48k rarely up to 51k. I think the speed variation from the same location is due to variations in line noise. -- David S. Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I Need More Speed
Maybe someone can help me out (Yeah, I know - Which way did you come in?) I just installed a 56K modem and the fastest connection speed I've been able to get is about 45K. I've tried connecting to several phone numbers, but 45K has been the upper limit Is there some way to adjust modem settings on the computer to speed things up? I'm using Win95 on this old beast. Getting 45k out of a 56k modem is a petty good connection based on my experience. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
