Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
On 16 May 2011 23:33, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: M, Seems to be no shortage of the GH2 around here. I don't know about BM stores, I just know the online stores don't have continuous stocks. The rumour blogs publish a post that it's in stock at Amazon or BH, and within 1/2 an hour it's out of stock again. You won't see that happening with a Digital Rebel :-) I'm well aware of Panasonic building a model line, I still think their interests and mine are moving in different directions. I know what you mean. The G2 is a nice camera (and at current prices it's a steal), but I don't see Panny trying to make the advanced shooter happy, especially if said shooter likes small primes. Or primes at all. I'm assuming you're an advanced shooter, Godfrey ;-) Olympus will have their pro grade Micro-FourThirds body soon. And some new lenses. Despite the claims by 4/3 sensor evangelists that the size difference isn't that significant when compared to APS-C, especially for those who crop to 4:5 (and I do), I have not been that impressed by the 4/3 sensors I've used *in low light*. Below ISO 800 there's no great diffrerence, but I do shoot a lot of high ISO. Having said all this, I woluld have no problem making a micro-4/3 my system of choice if there were more lenses out there at the level of the Panny 20mm f/1.7...and a body to go with them. Which is why I'm so curious to see what Oly's pro grade body is going to be like. But I'm enjoying the GXR so much I don't know if I need it until the model that replaces the E-5 shows up. I've been shooting it for a few days and I'm impressed with it. I've not been comfortable with the 28mm unit (that's my issue, not the lens's) but the 50mm is working out fine. That said, I would much rather have given up the macro and had it be f/2 or f/1.8 rather than f/2.5 and macro. You're going to buy one, right? Here's a GXR question for you: Is there any way to assign a button to AF so it's decoupled from the shutter release? There doesn't seem to be, so my work-around is to focus with the shutter release half pressed then swtich the camera to manual focus. If they can keep the upcoming M mount sensor unit in the $300 range, and maybe offer some type of special deal when bought with the body, I think they might sell well to the M lens crowd that would prefer a 1.5x crop rather than the micro-4/3 2x crop. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
On 15 May 2011 21:01, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: An APS-C sensor doesn't buy you much, really. I tend to crop to square or 3:4 anyway, at which point you're only gaining about 3mm of sensor area both horizontal and vertical. A K-mount adapter is easily available but no AF or iris control. It seems a nice camera and the new sensor should be pretty good ... might be on par or better than the Sonys. But I think Panasonic is moving towards a market target that doesn't include me with the touch screen ergonomics. While the touch screen is useful and convenient in some circumstances, it doesn't fit my photographic methods very well. I am more disposed to a reasonable arrangement of discrete controls and the ability to customize them to my shooting needs - it simply works better for me, which is why I was attracted to the E-5 (one of the more configurable/customizable cameras on the market) and the Ricoh GXR. G Godfrey, Panny is simply tiering (is that a word?) their line; the GH2 and the G2 weren't very different, and the experiment with the much simpler G10 didn't work out too well. So, now there is an entry-level G3 with touch-screen, one mode dial, no EVF eye sensor and 720 HD video; for the more advanced (wealthier) shooters, there's the GH3 (which I pressume is upcoming) with more finger dials, 1080 video, and probably a better EVF. It makes sense, no? Of course, Panny need to sort out their distribution system because the GH2 is currently MIA at all the major US stores. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
On 15 May 2011 08:33, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote: William Robb wrote Sat, 14 May 2011 16:09:03 -0700 On 14/05/2011 5:04 PM, Jim King wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp If only this camera had an APS-C sensor and a K-mount... You can get an adapter, and it's a 2x crop (not that I like the term all that much) That's the lesser half of my concern - what I want is a larger APS-C sensor in a body with the same feature set as the G3. Regards, Jim Jim, What you want is a Samsung NX11: http://www.photographyblog.com/images/sized/images/uploads/samsung_nx11-550x387.jpg Compare that photo to the Panny G3: http://thenewcamera.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Panasonic-G3-Price.jpg If Panny didn't copy Sammy, then call me Mildred and put me to sleep. Personally, I'd wait for the Samsung NX20. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
M, Seems to be no shortage of the GH2 around here. I'm well aware of Panasonic building a model line, I still think their interests and mine are moving in different directions. Olympus will have their pro grade Micro-FourThirds body soon. And some new lenses. But I'm enjoying the GXR so much I don't know if I need it until the model that replaces the E-5 shows up. G On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 May 2011 21:01, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: An APS-C sensor doesn't buy you much, really. I tend to crop to square or 3:4 anyway, at which point you're only gaining about 3mm of sensor area both horizontal and vertical. A K-mount adapter is easily available but no AF or iris control. It seems a nice camera and the new sensor should be pretty good ... might be on par or better than the Sonys. But I think Panasonic is moving towards a market target that doesn't include me with the touch screen ergonomics. While the touch screen is useful and convenient in some circumstances, it doesn't fit my photographic methods very well. I am more disposed to a reasonable arrangement of discrete controls and the ability to customize them to my shooting needs - it simply works better for me, which is why I was attracted to the E-5 (one of the more configurable/customizable cameras on the market) and the Ricoh GXR. G Godfrey, Panny is simply tiering (is that a word?) their line; the GH2 and the G2 weren't very different, and the experiment with the much simpler G10 didn't work out too well. So, now there is an entry-level G3 with touch-screen, one mode dial, no EVF eye sensor and 720 HD video; for the more advanced (wealthier) shooters, there's the GH3 (which I pressume is upcoming) with more finger dials, 1080 video, and probably a better EVF. It makes sense, no? Of course, Panny need to sort out their distribution system because the GH2 is currently MIA at all the major US stores. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
William Robb wrote Sat, 14 May 2011 16:09:03 -0700 On 14/05/2011 5:04 PM, Jim King wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp If only this camera had an APS-C sensor and a K-mount... You can get an adapter, and it's a 2x crop (not that I like the term all that much) That's the lesser half of my concern - what I want is a larger APS-C sensor in a body with the same feature set as the G3. Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote: William Robb wrote Sat, 14 May 2011 16:09:03 -0700 On 14/05/2011 5:04 PM, Jim King wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp If only this camera had an APS-C sensor and a K-mount... You can get an adapter, and it's a 2x crop (not that I like the term all that much) That's the lesser half of my concern - what I want is a larger APS-C sensor in a body with the same feature set as the G3. Regards, Jim The Samsung NX's are pretty similar in feature set and have the K20D sensor. The Sony NEX's lack the EVF but have a much better sensor than any of the other mirrorless cameras. There should be a NEX with an EVF announced in late july (higher-end body), possibly with the K-5 sensor, possibly with a new higher-resolution sensor expected to also show up in the Sony A77 and Nikon D400. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
On May 15, 2011, at 8:33 AM, Jim King wrote: William Robb wrote Sat, 14 May 2011 16:09:03 -0700 On 14/05/2011 5:04 PM, Jim King wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp If only this camera had an APS-C sensor and a K-mount... You can get an adapter, and it's a 2x crop (not that I like the term all that much) That's the lesser half of my concern - what I want is a larger APS-C sensor in a body with the same feature set as the G3. Regards, Jim I am curious Jim - which features would you expect to take advantage of? I did just a quick look, it seems that you can do some kewl stuff, but on a day-to-day basis, which features only available there would change the way you photograph or the quality of the images? stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 09:46:15AM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote: William Robb wrote Sat, 14 May 2011 16:09:03 -0700 On 14/05/2011 5:04 PM, Jim King wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp If only this camera had an APS-C sensor and a K-mount... You can get an adapter, and it's a 2x crop (not that I like the term all that much) That's the lesser half of my concern - what I want is a larger APS-C sensor in a body with the same feature set as the G3. Regards, Jim The Samsung NX's are pretty similar in feature set and have the K20D sensor. The Sony NEX's lack the EVF but have a much better sensor than any of the other mirrorless cameras. There should be a NEX with an EVF announced in late july (higher-end body), possibly with the K-5 sensor, possibly with a new higher-resolution sensor expected to also show up in the Sony A77 and Nikon D400. A friend of mine is in the market for a new camera. He was looking at the Nikon 7000, but I suggested he at least take a lok at the alternatives (He's not really tied in to any system; his current camera is a fairly old EOS digital Rebel with the kit lens, and he's not that fond of it). He tried the NEX, and said it's basically unusable; if you have review turned on, the camera goes unresponsive for more than a second after taking a shot. If his report is correct, it looks like a classic case of poor design, and getting multi-tasking priorities reversed; taking the next shot shouldn't have to wait until the review image of the previous shot is ready! In fact this was the person who told me about the G3; he saw it being advertised (after he'd tried the NEX), and asked my advice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote: John Francis wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 15:18:37 -0700 There's a new model in PAnasonic's Micro 4/3 lineup: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp If only this camera had an APS-C sensor and a K-mount... An APS-C sensor doesn't buy you much, really. I tend to crop to square or 3:4 anyway, at which point you're only gaining about 3mm of sensor area both horizontal and vertical. A K-mount adapter is easily available but no AF or iris control. It seems a nice camera and the new sensor should be pretty good ... might be on par or better than the Sonys. But I think Panasonic is moving towards a market target that doesn't include me with the touch screen ergonomics. While the touch screen is useful and convenient in some circumstances, it doesn't fit my photographic methods very well. I am more disposed to a reasonable arrangement of discrete controls and the ability to customize them to my shooting needs - it simply works better for me, which is why I was attracted to the E-5 (one of the more configurable/customizable cameras on the market) and the Ricoh GXR. G -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
Looks like a nice cam but I wonder, when could you actually put your hand? No hand grip, and on the back right of the cam, lots of buttons. Maybe with thumbs and index à la PS ? 2011/5/14 John Francis jo...@panix.com: There's a new model in PAnasonic's Micro 4/3 lineup: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
John Francis wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 15:18:37 -0700 There's a new model in PAnasonic's Micro 4/3 lineup: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp If only this camera had an APS-C sensor and a K-mount... Regards, Jim __ Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
On 14/05/2011 5:04 PM, Jim King wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp If only this camera had an APS-C sensor and a K-mount... You can get an adapter, and it's a 2x crop (not that I like the term all that much) -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
The adapters work well with old lenses since you lose the AF anyway. Av metering and my M, K and M42 lenses work on the EPL1 pretty much like they did on the original film bodies. I have the clip-on EVF which works well for MF. MF on the LCD is (largely) an exercise in futility. It is fun to use that old Super Tak 50 I've had since '74. On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 7:08 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 14/05/2011 5:04 PM, Jim King wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp If only this camera had an APS-C sensor and a K-mount... You can get an adapter, and it's a 2x crop (not that I like the term all that much) -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
There's a new model in PAnasonic's Micro 4/3 lineup: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Panasonic announce LUmix G3
They have brown one. What's up with that? Otherwise, it could be a fun camera. You can get a G2 for $399, however. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: There's a new model in PAnasonic's Micro 4/3 lineup: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1105/11051210panasonicdmcg3.asp -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
