Re: PESO: Neglect
good shot and a difficult decision i see here Dave On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David Mann wrote: > We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it > wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my wife > queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in > Cathedral Square. > > http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso > > I shot this through a gate in the fence. > > There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican > church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down and > replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe and > restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues to decay > while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually surprised the > recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. > > Cheers, > Dave > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Neglect
I don't know if the structure supporting the rose window contributed to its collapse but I can see how that might have happened. I suspect it would have done so anyway. Your questions are pretty much spot on. A building that survives one large quake might collapse in the next (as happened with the CTV building here). If restored it will need some substantial engineering. Definitely possible as they've been doing so with the Arts Centre. As for how far gone it is, that's the subject of the very argument that's keeping it in its current state :) I think the smallest number I've seen is about $70M NZD to restore. Cheers, Dave > On Dec 25, 2016, at 1:39 PM, John wrote: > > Yeah, I'd like to see it restored as well, but a couple of things occur > to me. > > How far gone is it? I read that the structure that was supposed to > stabilize the rose window contributed to its destruction in subsequent > recent earthquakes. > > And what about future earthquakes? Will a restored structure stand? Or > will it have to be restored again and again? ... and at what cost? > > Maybe a new one is the best answer. > > On 12/22/2016 10:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> I have seen a number of these situations, and they always frustrate me. >> >> Personally, I would like to see a building like that preserved. I don't >> own the buiding, however, the church does, and the church shouldn't be >> forced to restore it. If the well-meaning "preservationists" was to save >> it, let them raise the money to buy the property and restore the building. >> >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David Mann wrote: >> >>> We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so >>> it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my >>> wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up >>> in Cathedral Square. >>> >>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso >>> >>> I shot this through a gate in the fence. >>> >>> There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican >>> church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down >>> and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made >>> safe and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues >>> to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually >>> surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Dave > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Neglect
Yeah, I'd like to see it restored as well, but a couple of things occur to me. How far gone is it? I read that the structure that was supposed to stabilize the rose window contributed to its destruction in subsequent recent earthquakes. And what about future earthquakes? Will a restored structure stand? Or will it have to be restored again and again? ... and at what cost? Maybe a new one is the best answer. On 12/22/2016 10:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I have seen a number of these situations, and they always frustrate me. Personally, I would like to see a building like that preserved. I don't own the buiding, however, the church does, and the church shouldn't be forced to restore it. If the well-meaning "preservationists" was to save it, let them raise the money to buy the property and restore the building. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David Mann wrote: We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in Cathedral Square. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso I shot this through a gate in the fence. There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. Cheers, Dave -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Neglect
It'd be nice to preserve it but hideously expensive and very difficult to do safely. And that's before you consider trying to bring it up to modern earthquake standards. What's left of the building is badly cracked and considered unstable which is why the perimeter inside the fence is so wide. Whatever the outcome it'd be nice to see some progress being made. I don't have a preference one way or the other. On a brighter note we also visited the great hall at the Arts Centre (the former university) which is built in the same neo-gothic style. The whole complex is being restored and strengthened and is looking pretty good so far. Cheers, Dave > On Dec 23, 2016, at 4:30 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > I have seen a number of these situations, and they always frustrate me. > > Personally, I would like to see a building like that preserved. I don't > own the buiding, however, the church does, and the church shouldn't be > forced to restore it. If the well-meaning "preservationists" was to save > it, let them raise the money to buy the property and restore the building. > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David Mann wrote: > >> We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so >> it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my >> wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up >> in Cathedral Square. >> >> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso >> >> I shot this through a gate in the fence. >> >> There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican >> church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down >> and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made >> safe and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues >> to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually >> surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Neglect
:-( ... very sad.. photowise I want to reach inand take away the uglybuilding lurking in the back as if it were sitting on the church's roof ... it would be pretty easy to do, though cheatingfor a newsworthy photo... I hope they restore the church ann On 12/22/2016 12:57 AM, David Mann wrote: We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in Cathedral Square. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso I shot this through a gate in the fence. There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Neglect
Quite a change from when we were there 10? years ago, pre quake. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:57 PM, David Mann wrote: > We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so > it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my > wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up > in Cathedral Square. > > http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso > > I shot this through a gate in the fence. > > There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican > church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down > and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made > safe and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues > to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually > surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. > > Cheers, > Dave > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Neglect
That's a difficult one. Where do the lawyer's come in? The sentimentalists would want restoration because it is/was a much loved landmark. On the other hand a modern cathedral (like Coventry or Guildford) is a good option too. Sense must prevail. Even the Normans flattened many old 8th century churches in England and built the 11th century Cathedrals we know so well today. Alan C -Original Message- From: David Mann Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO: Neglect We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in Cathedral Square. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso I shot this through a gate in the fence. There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Neglect
I have seen a number of these situations, and they always frustrate me. Personally, I would like to see a building like that preserved. I don't own the buiding, however, the church does, and the church shouldn't be forced to restore it. If the well-meaning "preservationists" was to save it, let them raise the money to buy the property and restore the building. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David Mann wrote: > We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so > it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my > wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up > in Cathedral Square. > > http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso > > I shot this through a gate in the fence. > > There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican > church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down > and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made > safe and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues > to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually > surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. > > Cheers, > Dave > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Neglect
Needs a new gardener. Seriously well done shot! J Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:00 PM, Philip Northeast > wrote: > > Looks lovely, spend the money on restoration not lawyers. > > Philip Northeast > > www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au > >> On 22/12/16 4:57 pm, David Mann wrote: >> We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it >> wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my wife >> queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in >> Cathedral Square. >> >> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso >> >> I shot this through a gate in the fence. >> >> There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican >> church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down >> and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe >> and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues to >> decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually surprised >> the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Neglect
Looks lovely, spend the money on restoration not lawyers. Philip Northeast www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au On 22/12/16 4:57 pm, David Mann wrote: We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in Cathedral Square. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso I shot this through a gate in the fence. There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: Neglect
We went to the cheesemongers this morning but the shop was super busy so it wasn't a good idea for us to bring the baby's stroller in. While my wife queued for cheese I took my darling daughter for a walk and ended up in Cathedral Square. http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1033/#peso I shot this through a gate in the fence. There are a lot of politics going on behind the scenes here. The Anglican church, who own the cathedral and the land it's on, want to knock it down and replace it, but there's a vocal opposition who think it can be made safe and restored on a reasonable budget. Meanwhile the building continues to decay while all the money is being spent on lawyers. I'm actually surprised the recent 7.8 quake didn't make the decision for them. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Peso Neglect
I have two "tours" i do on my bike rides. One downtown Stouffville and the other out past our old homestead. My intent was to bike to the pond, but every thing was undercover, so i went on the latter route. Shot this last weekend, an overcast rain off and on day. http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/2849729366/ Makes me sad. I used to have that lawn sparkling.:-) D200, 18-70 LR adjust and minor crop. Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
