Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread Christine Aguila

Adam:  took a peek at this peso, reallly impressive.  Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread Bruce Dayton
Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:32:13 PM, you wrote:

RS> On 26/02/2010, paul stenquist  wrote:

>> Nah. I'm okay with a little grittiness in my low-light shots. And I can't 
>> live without my focus points, weather sealing, enough resolution for 24 x 30 
>> prints,vertical grip,  and 1000 exposure battery life.

RS> I know I should have added a P.S to my message of enablement such as;
RS> "unless of course you are Paul as he's quite enamoured with the
RS> performance of his K7 in low light" ;-)

RS> I only tell it like it is.

RS> PS and I really am no fan of vertical grips or multi-point AF, they
RS> both interfere with the flow of my shooting.

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Well, I am a fan of vertical grips.  My use of multiple AF points is
so-so.  I do usually select a single point, but I am not constantly
changing it so I have a pretty good idea where the focus point is.

After reading lots of reviews and seeing many samples, it was clear
to me that the K-x was the choice I needed for the high volume, low
light work I needed to do.  I had been ok with the K20D for some
occasional low light stuff, but nothing like I was facing.  The
reviews clearing point towards the K-x improving on the K7.  I had
yet to justify the move to the K7 over my K20D - in essence, I was
getting along just fine with it.  But this low light job was not
going to cut it.

Now that I have worked with the K-x, I am quite surprised by how well
it works in low light and how capable the body is.  Is it a K7?  Not
by any means - but it is a great body, especially for the price.  It
does a good enough job for what I need right now.  I would be really
stoked to see the K-x sensor in the K7 body.  Until then, I can hold
off on a K7 just using the K20D for most things and the K-x for the
low light.

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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread Adam Maas
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:17 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
>
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:
>
>> On 26/02/2010, paul stenquist  wrote:
>>
>>> You tell it like you see it. That's not necessarily 'like it is," so 
>>> frequently a little balance is called for. But that's okay.
>>
>> The K-x has the best low light capabilities of any Pentax camera to
>> date,
>
> I agree. That doesn't necessarily make it the best option. Far from it.

Actually, the K-x currently has the best high ISO performance of any
APS-C or smaller sensor camera. It's not that far behind the D700
either (less DR, similar performance at 3200, not much more noise at
6400, the D700's visibly better at 12,800 though and has 25,600). If
you don't want to haul a brick, nothing can beat the K-x for low-light
performance.

>
>> it's not just me, there's a chorus of very satisfied Pentax K-x
>> owners, many of which also own the K7 as a point of comparison. I'm
>> sure that the K7 suites your needs, you've said it yourself many times
>> but that doesn't mean that it's the best option.
>
> It does for me. And my evaluation is personal, just like yours.
>
>>
>>> I don't like multipoint autofocus either, but I do want to be able to 
>>> choose the single point that I use. I'm not willling to go back to point 
>>> and shoot style autofocus. One point in the center is in the wrong place 
>>> 90% of the time.
>>
>> I'm not sure what the big deal is here, the K-x has no AF position
>> indicators in the finder, you can still select the AF position as it's
>> indicated on the rear panel instead.
>
> But you can't locate it in the viewfinder. It's hit and miss.

You get the AF frame outline, and the point's location in the frame is
shown on the rear display. I was surprised but I don't much miss the
point display, somewhat the opposite in fact. It's not hit and  miss
after the first 5 minutes (and it's not like the AF point display in
the viewfinder is always accurate either, it's an approximation).

>
>> There is 5 or 11 point auto AF,
>> centre point AF or manual selection of 1 of the 11 AF points. Plus the
>> AF is faster than the K20D and anecdotal reports that it's at least as
>> fast as the K7.
>
> The K7 autofocus is far faster than the K20D. I would be surprised if the Kx 
> could match it.

K-x seems to have similar performance on the software side but a less
powerful motor.

>>
>> The K-x is quite a deal really and compliments either the K20D or K7 quite 
>> well.
>
> That's true. I wouldn't mind having one for the occasional low-light foray. 
> In fact, I've considered selling my k20 and making the KX my second camera.
> Paul
>>
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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread paul stenquist

On Feb 25, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

> On 26/02/2010, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
>> You tell it like you see it. That's not necessarily 'like it is," so 
>> frequently a little balance is called for. But that's okay.
> 
> The K-x has the best low light capabilities of any Pentax camera to
> date,

I agree. That doesn't necessarily make it the best option. Far from it.

> it's not just me, there's a chorus of very satisfied Pentax K-x
> owners, many of which also own the K7 as a point of comparison. I'm
> sure that the K7 suites your needs, you've said it yourself many times
> but that doesn't mean that it's the best option.

It does for me. And my evaluation is personal, just like yours.

> 
>> I don't like multipoint autofocus either, but I do want to be able to choose 
>> the single point that I use. I'm not willling to go back to point and shoot 
>> style autofocus. One point in the center is in the wrong place 90% of the 
>> time.
> 
> I'm not sure what the big deal is here, the K-x has no AF position
> indicators in the finder, you can still select the AF position as it's
> indicated on the rear panel instead.

But you can't locate it in the viewfinder. It's hit and miss. 

> There is 5 or 11 point auto AF,
> centre point AF or manual selection of 1 of the 11 AF points. Plus the
> AF is faster than the K20D and anecdotal reports that it's at least as
> fast as the K7.

The K7 autofocus is far faster than the K20D. I would be surprised if the Kx 
could match it.
> 
> The K-x is quite a deal really and compliments either the K20D or K7 quite 
> well.

That's true. I wouldn't mind having one for the occasional low-light foray. In 
fact, I've considered selling my k20 and making the KX my second camera. 
Paul
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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26/02/2010, paul stenquist  wrote:

> You tell it like you see it. That's not necessarily 'like it is," so 
> frequently a little balance is called for. But that's okay.

The K-x has the best low light capabilities of any Pentax camera to
date, it's not just me, there's a chorus of very satisfied Pentax K-x
owners, many of which also own the K7 as a point of comparison. I'm
sure that the K7 suites your needs, you've said it yourself many times
but that doesn't mean that it's the best option.

> I don't like multipoint autofocus either, but I do want to be able to choose 
> the single point that I use. I'm not willling to go back to point and shoot 
> style autofocus. One point in the center is in the wrong place 90% of the 
> time.

I'm not sure what the big deal is here, the K-x has no AF position
indicators in the finder, you can still select the AF position as it's
indicated on the rear panel instead. There is 5 or 11 point auto AF,
centre point AF or manual selection of 1 of the 11 AF points. Plus the
AF is faster than the K20D and anecdotal reports that it's at least as
fast as the K7.

The K-x is quite a deal really and compliments either the K20D or K7 quite well.

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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread paul stenquist

On Feb 25, 2010, at 8:32 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

> On 26/02/2010, paul stenquist  wrote:
> 
>> Nah. I'm okay with a little grittiness in my low-light shots. And I can't 
>> live without my focus points, weather sealing, enough resolution for 24 x 30 
>> prints,vertical grip,  and 1000 exposure battery life.
> 
> I know I should have added a P.S to my message of enablement such as;
> "unless of course you are Paul as he's quite enamoured with the
> performance of his K7 in low light" ;-)
> 
> I only tell it like it is.
> 
> PS and I really am no fan of vertical grips or multi-point AF, they
> both interfere with the flow of my shooting.

You tell it like you see it. That's not necessarily 'like it is," so frequently 
a little balance is called for. But that's okay.
I don't like multipoint autofocus either, but I do want to be able to choose 
the single point that I use. I'm not willling to go back to point and shoot 
style autofocus. One point in the center is in the wrong place 90% of the time.
Paul
> 


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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26/02/2010, paul stenquist  wrote:

> Nah. I'm okay with a little grittiness in my low-light shots. And I can't 
> live without my focus points, weather sealing, enough resolution for 24 x 30 
> prints,vertical grip,  and 1000 exposure battery life.

I know I should have added a P.S to my message of enablement such as;
"unless of course you are Paul as he's quite enamoured with the
performance of his K7 in low light" ;-)

I only tell it like it is.

PS and I really am no fan of vertical grips or multi-point AF, they
both interfere with the flow of my shooting.

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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread paul stenquist

On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

> On 26/02/2010, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
>> Really good.
>> 
>> So, I guess the K-x guys are going to all be submitting shots taken in
>> near darkness? I find this one of the most interesting developments
>> for digital photography.  Maybe you could push film this hard, but
>> never this easily.  In some ways this changes the "kind" of pictures
>> you can take.
> 
> You got it, get your hands on a K-x and you'll truly appreciate the
> added potential it provides.

Nah. I'm okay with a little grittiness in my low-light shots. And I can't live 
without my focus points, weather sealing, enough resolution for 24 x 30 
prints,vertical grip,  and 1000 exposure battery life. 

I get this level of ISO 6400 performance with th K7 -- shooting RAW with no 
noise reduction. It's more than adequate for anything I'm going to shoot, 
professionally or just for grins:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10541951&size=lg

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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread ann sanfedele



Adam Maas wrote:


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/

K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR turned off
in CaptureOne).



adam --  nice shot -- and wow 6400?
now I'm going to start coveting again.

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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26/02/2010, Steven Desjardins  wrote:
> Really good.
>
> So, I guess the K-x guys are going to all be submitting shots taken in
> near darkness? I find this one of the most interesting developments
> for digital photography.  Maybe you could push film this hard, but
> never this easily.  In some ways this changes the "kind" of pictures
> you can take.

You got it, get your hands on a K-x and you'll truly appreciate the
added potential it provides.

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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread Steven Desjardins
Really good.

So, I guess the K-x guys are going to all be submitting shots taken in
near darkness? I find this one of the most interesting developments
for digital photography.  Maybe you could push film this hard, but
never this easily.  In some ways this changes the "kind" of pictures
you can take.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/
>
> K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR turned off
> in CaptureOne).
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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread David J Brooks
One of your best i'd say.

Dave

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/
>
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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread Larry Colen


On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Adam Maas wrote:


http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/

K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR turned off
in CaptureOne).


Nice shot, great color, it pretty much confirms my need of a K-x.





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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread John Sessoms

From: Adam Maas

If you click on the magnifying glass icon on the lower right-hand
corner of the image, Flickrriver will show you a larger version.


... if I could find a magnifying glass icon. All I can find are a 
balloon for "add a comment" and a star for "add to faves".


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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread paul stenquist
Excellent shot of an intriguing scene.
Paul
On Feb 25, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Christian wrote:

> What he said. Very nice.
> 
> 
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> On 2/24/2010 11:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> Wonderful lighting, exposure and rendition. Well seen.
>> 
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Maas" 
>> 
>> Subject: PESO - Bike Parking at Night
>> 
>> 
>>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/
>>> 
>>> K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR turned off
>>> in CaptureOne).
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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-25 Thread Christian

What he said. Very nice.



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On 2/24/2010 11:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Wonderful lighting, exposure and rendition. Well seen.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Adam Maas" 

Subject: PESO - Bike Parking at Night



http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/

K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR turned off
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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-24 Thread Paul Sorenson
H...  The only icons that show on my screen are "add a comment" and 
"add to faves".


-p

On 2/24/2010 10:09 PM, Adam Maas wrote:

If you click on the magnifying glass icon on the lower right-hand
corner of the image, Flickrriver will show you a larger version.

-Adam

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
   

Nicely composed, very atmospheric.  It would be nice to see it larger.

Rick

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K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR
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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-24 Thread Charles Robinson
On Feb 24, 2010, at 22:09, Adam Maas wrote:

> If you click on the magnifying glass icon on the lower right-hand
> corner of the image, Flickrriver will show you a larger version.
> 

I see no such icon!

I get a "comment bubble" and an "add to faves" star.

(which is a bummer, because I want to see it larger too)

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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-24 Thread Ken Waller

Wonderful lighting, exposure and rendition. Well seen.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Maas" 


Subject: PESO - Bike Parking at Night



http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/

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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-24 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Adam Maas  wrote:
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/
>
> K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR turned off
> in CaptureOne).

Excellent!

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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-24 Thread Adam Maas
If you click on the magnifying glass icon on the lower right-hand
corner of the image, Flickrriver will show you a larger version.

-Adam

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> Nicely composed, very atmospheric.  It would be nice to see it larger.
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> Rick
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> http://photo.net/photos/RickW
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>> From: Adam Maas 
>> Subject: PESO - Bike Parking at Night
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>> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 9:51 PM
>> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/
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>> K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR
>> turned off
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Re: PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-24 Thread Rick Womer
Nicely composed, very atmospheric.  It would be nice to see it larger.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Adam Maas  wrote:

> From: Adam Maas 
> Subject: PESO - Bike Parking at Night
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 9:51 PM
> http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/
> 
> K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR
> turned off
> in CaptureOne).
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PESO - Bike Parking at Night

2010-02-24 Thread Adam Maas
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/mawz/4384094299/

K-x, DA 18-55 II, ISO 6400, No NR whatsoever (RAW with NR turned off
in CaptureOne).

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