Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution
J. C. O'Connell wrote: Have you actully WORKED on a 1600x1200 pc and didnt you find going back to 1280x960 very claustrophobic? I do whenever I have to.. I sure do. And I run my SyncMaster 955DF at 1600 x 1200 quite successfully. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: If viewing web pages and images forces me to conform to someone's idiotic ideas about web design, I'll just surf somewhere else. I think that one will go into my selection of course material along with the Savage Principle. It goes double for those *^#(@#s that think it's just brilliant to set all the fonts at 11 pixels tall, too. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution I sure do. And I run my SyncMaster 955DF at 1600 x 1200 quite successfully. This guy sez the view is somewhat compromised doing that. http://www.dansdata.com/955df.htm William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Boris, I concur. I really don't mind vertical scrolling, because I have this wheel on the mouse horizontal scrolling upsets me ;-). Apple Mighty Mouse might be your remedy. ;-) Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Jan, For daily work and most browsing, a laptop with 15 inch 1024x768 (NOT running Mac, Windows or Linux , so no Flash either :-) so it's DOS ;-) *BSD or ? Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1) What size screen do you use 17' LCD (1280x1024) and 12' LCD (1024x786) 2) What resolution do you prefer? 1600x1200 (not on my screens though ;-)). We bought some NEC SpectraView 2090 LCDs for colour corrections and they're great. A-TW-IPS, HW calibration (in the LCD itself) etc. Definitely way better than anything CRT I've seen (including Barco Personal Calibrators) and better than most other LCDs as well (including Apple Cinemas). 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? I don't mind scrolling if the image looks interesting. Or save it and open it in Photoshop or so... Cheers, Peter -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 07/04/07, Peter Lacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jan, For daily work and most browsing, a laptop with 15 inch 1024x768 (NOT running Mac, Windows or Linux , so no Flash either :-) Ooh, I missed a screen poll. I run two dual screens as a composite desktop, primary is CRT and secondary is TFT, both are independently calibrated and driven by a Matrox Parhelia LX card. Even though my 22 CRT can display a 2048x1536 screen I have it set for 1600x1200 to provide optimum resolution and gamma/colour accuracy, I use it as my image editing desktop and for anything else heavily graphic. My TFT is oriented vertically and displays 1024x1280 pixels, I use it for my editor tools, web Browsing, PDF display. Device, IDPrimary, Upper Left Corner, Bottom Right Corner \\.\DISPLAY1 (CRT), Yes, (0,0), (1600,1200) \\.\DISPLAY2 (TFT), No, (1600,0), (2624,1280) However I generally run my Browsers windows at 1024x768 though I may open them full screen for some applications. For anyone who is web developing and needs to check their pages at varying sizes I have been using a great little tool for some years now, it's a free drag and drop resizing util for Windows called Size-O-Matic from http://www.pythoness.com/ Also I still have the last monitor size survey on-line for anyone who's interested: http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/Monitor_Survey_2005.htm Cheers, -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi Peter, On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:18:29 +0100, Peter Lacus wrote: For daily work and most browsing, a laptop with 15 inch 1024x768 (NOT running Mac, Windows or Linux , so no Flash either :-) so it's DOS ;-) *BSD or ? No, it is OS/2, or rather its latest incarnation 'eComStation'. I worked with IBM on the original OS/2 version 1.0 in Austin, back in the late eighties, and still like it best as a software development platform due its much better multi-tasking I do cross-development on OS/2 creating programs that run on DOS, Windows, Linux and OS/2 ... (But use Windows for Photoshop of course :-) Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: 1) What size screen do you use 17 inch CRT (an aging Panasonic)at 1260x1024 for the primary, secondary is a 'junker' 15 inch CRT at 1024x768. Primary is on a KVM with with another PC that is sometimes at 1280x1024 and sometimes at 1024x768. Laptop is an old 800 x 600 LCD. 2) What resolution do you prefer? No hard preferences. 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. Depends on the settings and browser. Probably in the 800 pixel max diameter range. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? larger than most that I see. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? The quality and subject matter would be of more importance to me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Photography Kalamazoo, Michigan www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution (for Mark)
Doug Franklin wrote: William Robb wrote: I do things like font size=+2 and the like if I want to make a header, but otherwise, I don't put font size tags in at all, to allow the individual to choose how big the font will be. Same here, except I typically use 120% or 1.2em or some such. Yep. Both approaches work but I don't allow my students to use old-style HTML 3.2 tags like FONT, so we just use percentages or EMs in stylesheets. It's really challenging for a lot of designers when they start to get into web design to accept that the end user ultimately has control and that you have to be willing to design your pages to work *with* that fact, rather than trying to enforce your design ideas absolutely on users. It's why Buddhists make better web designers ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution (for Mark)
Mark Roberts wrote: Yep. Both approaches work but I don't allow my students to use old-style HTML 3.2 tags like FONT, so we just use percentages or EMs in stylesheets. I generally don't either. I use style sheets for prettifying but try to make the pages work without the sheet and on a text-only browser, too. It's really challenging for a lot of designers when they start to get into web design to accept that the end user ultimately has control and that you have to be willing to design your pages to work *with* that fact, rather than trying to enforce your design ideas absolutely on users. Some never accept it. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Great phrase! (Mark!) Mark, please, keep teaching what you are teaching! You are doing a great job using the right foundation! (I used your phrase as a quotation for my friends web-programmers.) Igor Fri Apr 6 09:03:56 EDT 2007 Mark Roberts wrote: It's really challenging for a lot of designers when they start to get into web design to accept that the end user ultimately has control and that you have to be willing to design your pages to work *with* that fact, rather than trying to enforce your design ideas absolutely on users. It's why Buddhists make better web designers ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution (for Mark)
Mark, One important thing to keep in mind for the design of webpages, which is often overlooked by web-designers and even program designers: For large monitors and laptops people like using large (125%) fonts as defined in the Windows display properties. If you do not account for this, you may incorrectly estimate the required width for the text frames for a iven display resolution. (On top of that you should also think about various font sizes choosable in the browsers). Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1. a) 10.8 laptop b) same laptop often with a 20 CRT monitor at work. c) desktop 19 CRT monitor 2. a) Laptop (widescreen): 1280x768 b) Laptop + 20 CRT monitor: 1280x1024 c) desktop: 1280x1024 3. a) about 600 high and about 800-1000 wide, as I prefer not to use the maximum width of the browser. b) and c) about 800 (h) x 800-1000 (w) 4. min: 400x600, max: ~800x1000. 5. yes Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Igor Roshchin wrote: One important thing to keep in mind for the design of webpages, which is often overlooked by web-designers and even program designers: For large monitors and laptops people like using large (125%) fonts as defined in the Windows display properties. If you do not account for this, you may incorrectly estimate the required width for the text frames for a iven display resolution. (On top of that you should also think about various font sizes choosable in the browsers). The best bet is to never specify absolute sizes or require specific absolute sizes for your site to work. Use the default sizes the user selected with scaling by percentages, eMs, etc. The web is not a print medium; one can't treat it like one is designing or laying out a print ad. Leave the user in control. Unlike those stupid bastards that design their web site using fonts set at 8px or 11px size ... that's 8 or 11 pixels tall. Q: How big is a pixel? A: Pixels aren't any particular size. Some browsers allow the user to forcibly resize even the work of those fatherless gits, but not all browsers do. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution (for Mark)
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution (for Mark) The best bet is to never specify absolute sizes or require specific absolute sizes for your site to work. Use the default sizes the user selected with scaling by percentages, eMs, etc. The web is not a print medium; one can't treat it like one is designing or laying out a print ad. Leave the user in control. I do things like font size=+2 and the like if I want to make a header, but otherwise, I don't put font size tags in at all, to allow the individual to choose how big the font will be. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Are you going to tally the responses, Shel? I noticed some people like PESOs relatively small and it would be nice to know the maximum dimensions some find acceptable. Marnie aka Doe :-) (I can always read the archives, but tally would be nice.) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution (for Mark)
William Robb wrote: I do things like font size=+2 and the like if I want to make a header, but otherwise, I don't put font size tags in at all, to allow the individual to choose how big the font will be. Same here, except I typically use 120% or 1.2em or some such. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: If viewing web pages and images forces me to conform to someone's idiotic ideas about web design, I'll just surf somewhere else. Mark! Ha ha. Oops. Got it. ;-) I think that one will go into my selection of course material along with the Savage Principle. Hmm, Savage and Loveless. Anyone see a trend here? Cool. Glad I could help out. If you want me to, I'll record my verbal reactions to sites that suck. You could play them for your students. On second thought... -- Scott Loveless www.twosixteen.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Apr 4, 2007, at 4:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: 1) What size screen do you use 2x 19 2) What resolution do you prefer? 2x 1600x1200 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. I don't maximise my browser window. Largest I can see without resizing would be maybe 800x800 pixels. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 600-800px 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? No: I can easily drag a pic to the desktop and open it with Preview which will auto-resize. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution
Have you actully WORKED on a 1600x1200 pc and didnt you find going back to 1280x960 very claustrophobic? I do whenever I have to.. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution 1. 15.4 16:10 Laptop screen (replaced my 21 CRT running at 1856x1392, miss teh resolution, but the LCD is far more crisp, which makes up for a lot. Looks way better than any 19 CRT running at 1600x1200) 2. 1280x800 (max res) 3. 1000x700 or so 4. 800-1000 horizontal, 5-700 vertical 5. yes -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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if your saying your 1280x800 lcd screen looks better than any CRT running at 1600x1200 fine ( have you seen them all?) , but there is no way it can display nearly as much information like text etc. you need the pixels to do that...and you dont have nearly as many to work with.. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution 1. 15.4 16:10 Laptop screen (replaced my 21 CRT running at 1856x1392, miss teh resolution, but the LCD is far more crisp, which makes up for a lot. Looks way better than any 19 CRT running at 1600x1200) 2. 1280x800 (max res) 3. 1000x700 or so 4. 800-1000 horizontal, 5-700 vertical 5. yes -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution
This approach is the wrong way round really. The ideal size across the diagonal for a picture should be about half the viewing distance. The recommended viewing distance for a computer screen is about 30 inches (75cm). So the maximum size of your picture should be about 15 inches (37cm) across the diagonal. This size means you can take in the whole picture from the viewing distance without having to 'scan' across it with your eyes (or scroll with your viewer), but the picture is not so small that you start to lose details and have to strain. So your picture (in 135 format) should be about 16x24 (40x60cm) for this viewing distance. Assuming 90 dots per inch resolution and a 1:1 mapping, your picture should be 1440x2160 = 31 megabytes. That rules out almost all monitors and line speeds for optimum viewing. For optimum viewing therefore you need to decide for yourself what is the target screen size and resolution, and make the largest picture you can that fits, allowing the audience to take in the whole thing without scanning or scrolling. The audience will just have to lean a bit closer to appreciate the fine detail of the picture. My display is a 1600x1200 15 LCD. I typically restrict the pictures I post to 800 pixels on the long edge, simply out of convention, convenience and politeness. If I have to scroll to see the whole picture I jump ship pdq. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: 04 April 2007 06:15 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution My workstation screen is a Cinema Display 23, native resolution 1920x1200 pixels. My laptop screen is a cinema format 15, native resolution 1290x960 pixels. I run them at the native resolution. Which is mostly irrelevant. I can see quite a large image on screen, even in a browser window, without scaling or scrolling, and I can always have the display scale as required. However, a lot of people can't do that, and scaling imposes its limitations on image quality. So, unlike some other people who consider themselves and their screen the center of the universe, I build my standard web page displays to look good on a 1024x768 pixel display so that many people can enjoy what I show. That implies, after extensive testing and querying people on all kinds of different systems, that my standard web images now are rendered to a maximum of 594 pixels tall and a maximum of 794 pixels wide. That allows just enough room in typical browser window on that size screen to display the whole image without scrolling and with a little room left over, possibly, for captioning and controls. It's tight on 1024x768. And it still images nicely on my 23 display without scaling. And I provide a larger size optional rendering for my pictures at 1000 pixels vertical dimension, leaving the horizontal to run to whatever size it ought to be without going past 1800 pixels, for those with display capabilities that can view at that resolution. Whenever I have to scroll around to see pictures, it becomes tiresome and I rapidly move on to the next thing on my agenda. The magic of the image is lost that way. Godfrey On Apr 3, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's a little claustrophobic for the first couple of weeks. And I miss the resolution when editing full-res photos. For everything else, the LCD is better. The text quality difference is incredible (And note my 21 monitor is a Cornerstone 1600P, a $1500 professional-grade monitor driven by a high-end Radeon card, not some low-end cheapo. Superb for editing, good text quality) and of course I can now take it with me. For general use, the laptop display simply blows any CRT out of the water. For editing, the extra resolution of the CRT is nice, but I'll get that back as soon as I get around to buying a 24 panel for my desk. -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: Have you actully WORKED on a 1600x1200 pc and didnt you find going back to 1280x960 very claustrophobic? I do whenever I have to.. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution 1. 15.4 16:10 Laptop screen (replaced my 21 CRT running at 1856x1392, miss teh resolution, but the LCD is far more crisp, which makes up for a lot. Looks way better than any 19 CRT running at 1600x1200) 2. 1280x800 (max res) 3. 1000x700 or so 4. 800-1000 horizontal, 5-700 vertical 5. yes -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I've seen a lot of monitors, good and bad. For general use, a good LCD panel that's crisp, has a decent response time and a contrast ratio over 600:1 is significantly better (and easier on the eyes) than any CRT. For editing, the CRT's still a bit better (better blacks, higher resolutions), but not enough to beat the LCD for all-round use. Only way I'd run a CRT now is on a dedicated editing box that does nothing else. As to text, you're still getting similar amounts of text on the screen as you can run smaller fonts on a lower-res display. It's the physical size of the font that matters to readability, and that places a hard limit on how small the font can get onscreen (you can get more text on a higher res display but you risk eyestrain. As someone who gets payed to look at a display for 8+ hours a day, I can't risk that). -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: if your saying your 1280x800 lcd screen looks better than any CRT running at 1600x1200 fine ( have you seen them all?) , but there is no way it can display nearly as much information like text etc. you need the pixels to do that...and you dont have nearly as many to work with.. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution 1. 15.4 16:10 Laptop screen (replaced my 21 CRT running at 1856x1392, miss teh resolution, but the LCD is far more crisp, which makes up for a lot. Looks way better than any 19 CRT running at 1600x1200) 2. 1280x800 (max res) 3. 1000x700 or so 4. 800-1000 horizontal, 5-700 vertical 5. yes -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:01:40 -0700, Shel Belinkoff wrote: 1) What size screen do you use For photoshop work, a 19 inch at 1280x1024 For daily work and most browsing, a laptop with 15 inch 1024x768 (NOT running Mac, Windows or Linux , so no Flash either :-) 2) What resolution do you prefer? 1280x1024 (but that is not available on the laptop :-) 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. On the laptop, about 900 wide and 700 high. (Browser uses minimal space after 'full screen = F11' in Firefox) 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 600 at the longest edge minimum, maximum 750 high 1000 wide 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Yes Regards, JvW -- Jan van Wijk; http://www.dfsee.com/gallery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Responses interspersed. John Coyle Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com) Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML PDML@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:01 PM Subject: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) 1024x768 at the moment, but my system is due for an upgrade soon and I'll go to at least one size up 2) What resolution do you prefer? For a web image, probably 96dpi matches most screens 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 800 high, just! 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? Not a big concern, I'm on broadband, but I would hesitate to look at anything over 1.5MB unless I felt the repuation of the author might justify it. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Not necessarily: it's easy enough to Ctrl- to zoom out. Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/4/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This approach is the wrong way round really. The ideal size across the diagonal for a picture should be about half the viewing distance. The recommended viewing distance for a computer screen is about 30 inches (75cm). 75cm! My deck is only 75cm deep. In that case I'm sitting way too close. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1) What size screen do you use 1x30 + 2x20 2) What resolution do you prefer? 2560 X 1600 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. see above. i use two other display for all the controls 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? eh? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? most programs auto-size images, so this question is irrelevant. Shel mishka -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Apr 4, 2007, at 12:47 AM, Bob W wrote: This approach is the wrong way round really. The ideal size across the diagonal for a picture should be about half the viewing distance. The recommended viewing distance for a computer screen is about 30 inches (75cm). So the maximum size of your picture should be about 15 inches (37cm) across the diagonal. This size means you can take in the whole picture from the viewing distance without having to 'scan' across it with your eyes (or scroll with your viewer), but the picture is not so small that you start to lose details and have to strain. So your picture (in 135 format) should be about 16x24 (40x60cm) for this viewing distance. Assuming 90 dots per inch resolution and a 1:1 mapping, your picture should be 1440x2160 = 31 megabytes. That rules out almost all monitors and line speeds for optimum viewing. Sure, fine theory. But the recommended viewing distance is hopeless for my eyesight and comfort ... I have my computer glasses tuned for a comfortable 23 viewing distance. Farther away than that and text on screen is hopeless unless I make it too big to be useful. For optimum viewing therefore you need to decide for yourself what is the target screen size and resolution, and make the largest picture you can that fits, allowing the audience to take in the whole thing without scanning or scrolling. The audience will just have to lean a bit closer to appreciate the fine detail of the picture. Yup. What detail is visible anyway. An A3 print is so much nicer to examine closely. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Apr 4, 2007, at 12:01 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use Main display: 20-inch LCD Secondary display 19-inch CRT 2) What resolution do you prefer? Main: 1680 x 1050 Secondary 1280 x1024 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. About 1500 x 900 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? Minimum: 600 on the long side. Maximum: about 1400 on the long side. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Perhaps, if they were ridiculously large, but a small amount of scrolling is just a minor annoyance and I tolerate it. Paul Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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First of all, thanks to Shel for starting this thread, and thanks to everyone who's replied so far... and to everyone who is going to reply before it's over ;-) This is actually valuable real-world information that I'm going to be able to use in my web design class. The PDML, which comprises mainly photographers with an above-average equipment list, probably isn't representative of the Internet as a whole, but I expect it could be a good upper average benchmark to work with. Incidentally, one thing I've noticed from the results in general so far that *is* trypical of web users in general is that people *hate* horizontal scrolling. For those interested in more general information: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/screen_resolution.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Quoting Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 19 inch LCD 2) What resolution do you prefer? 1280 x1024 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. About 800 pixels high 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? Min: About 600 pixels high Max : About 800 pixels high 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Probably - depends on the quality of the images. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2x21 Sony-based CRT montitors 2) What resolution do you prefer? 1600x1200 on each, logically merged into a 3200x1200 desktop. 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. Roughly 3100x1100 (or 1500x1100 on one screen) 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 1024x768/1500x1100 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Yes. Scrolling sucks, so my current resolution setup is the minimum acceptable for me. Currently looking for a 3rd monitor... -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA * * Electrical Engineering* * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/4/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use crt, 17 1024 x 768 samsung syncmaster 753 is think, i'm not at home. I have a similar one for the old onsite computer it's 3 years newer than the above and i thing its the synmaster 755. 2) What resolution do you prefer? Same 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. About 800-900 across the top. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 800 across the top seems to be best for my screen. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? No. I scroll at least once to see the picture, if i like it, i'll scroll, but it is a PITA,which i have been quilty of on occasion. Dave B Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/3/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 12 Powerbook TFT 2) What resolution do you prefer? my maximum resolution: 1024x768 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 590px tall, 1000px wide 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? I don't mind a small amount of scrolling... so the min size is 590px tall, max about 750px. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? As I stated, i don't mind a small amount of scrolling. but i want to get a good idea of the image without scrolling... -- Cheers, [EMAIL PROTECTED] MichaelHamilton.ca -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Responses interspersed. -P Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 17 2) What resolution do you prefer? 1024x760 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 800x568 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 800(H) - 600(V) 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Yes - unless they held something of great interest for me Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mark Roberts wrote: Incidentally, one thing I've noticed from the results in general so far that *is* trypical of web users in general is that people *hate* horizontal scrolling. I concur. I really don't mind vertical scrolling, because I have this wheel on the mouse horizontal scrolling upsets me ;-). Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. A poll to make JCO angry, but I'll bite 1) What size screen do you use laptop standalone = 15 at work plugged into a 19 LCD Home PC = 19 LCD and 15 LCD 2) What resolution do you prefer? The higher the better, but I'm limited to 1024x768 on the laptop alone or 1280x1024 connected to my 19LCD Home PC = 1280x1024 on 19 and 1024x768 on the second LCD Really I'd prefer a bigger LCD and 1600x1200 but can't justify the cost. 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. I've no idea but less than 1280 (size of the display) 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 800 wide or 600 high 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? hell yes -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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yes, you can run SLIGHTLY smaller fonts on a really good LCD than you can on a really good CRT, but its nowhere near enough difference to make up for the huge difference between 1280x960 and 1600x1200 in workspace. Bottom line is you can do/see more with a really good CRT running at 1600x1200 than ANY display running at 1280x960. The bottom line is NET resolution, and I contend that a really good CRT running at 1600x1200 has higher NET resolution than ANY 1280x960 display. Add to that the increased contrast range ( better shadow details ) and generally better color accuracy ( although this gap is closing), It is not as you make it appear to be. And secondly any monitor with better NET resolution is going to be much more useful for a whole bunch of PC applications than just editing photos. Even web browsing, I can easily read some entire web pages, that you cant without scrolling, that is BETTER in that regard, even for ALL TEXT web pages. This is the very thing you called frustrating annoying because of the necessary scrolling. One of the very first things I was absolutely delighted about when I upgraded to 1600x1200 was how much more enjoyable web browsing became. I can see much more without scrolling. Sometimes more QTY. of entire photos without any scrolling. And things like thumbnail pages, I can see way more thumbs on a single screen without any visible loss of quality of those thumbs...HIGHER DISPLAY NET RESOLUTION IS SIMPLY BETTER than lower NET display resolution... jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:47 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution I've seen a lot of monitors, good and bad. For general use, a good LCD panel that's crisp, has a decent response time and a contrast ratio over 600:1 is significantly better (and easier on the eyes) than any CRT. For editing, the CRT's still a bit better (better blacks, higher resolutions), but not enough to beat the LCD for all-round use. Only way I'd run a CRT now is on a dedicated editing box that does nothing else. As to text, you're still getting similar amounts of text on the screen as you can run smaller fonts on a lower-res display. It's the physical size of the font that matters to readability, and that places a hard limit on how small the font can get onscreen (you can get more text on a higher res display but you risk eyestrain. As someone who gets payed to look at a display for 8+ hours a day, I can't risk that). -Adam J. C. O'Connell wrote: if your saying your 1280x800 lcd screen looks better than any CRT running at 1600x1200 fine ( have you seen them all?) , but there is no way it can display nearly as much information like text etc. you need the pixels to do that...and you dont have nearly as many to work with.. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 12:15 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution 1. 15.4 16:10 Laptop screen (replaced my 21 CRT running at 1856x1392, miss teh resolution, but the LCD is far more crisp, which makes up for a lot. Looks way better than any 19 CRT running at 1600x1200) 2. 1280x800 (max res) 3. 1000x700 or so 4. 800-1000 horizontal, 5-700 vertical 5. yes -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use We have two workstations. One has a 17 SyncMaster 753df, the other is a 19 Trinitron. 2) What resolution do you prefer? 1024x768 on the 17, 1280x1024 on the Trinitron. 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. I don't know. I've never checked. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? I prefer a maximum height of 800, width of 1200. Anything with the long edge smaller than 500 is usually too small. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Yes. It's easy enough to right click and select view image, but sometimes edge detail gets a bit jagged. I'll make exceptions for panoramic photos, but if someone wants to post very large image files, there should be an intermediate file for browser viewing. e.g - picasaweb automatically sizes the photo for your available real estate, and offers an option to view the original file. There are other applications that do something similar. If viewing web pages and images forces me to conform to someone's idiotic ideas about web design, I'll just surf somewhere else. -- Scott Loveless www.twosixteen.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Scott Loveless wrote: If viewing web pages and images forces me to conform to someone's idiotic ideas about web design, I'll just surf somewhere else. Mark! Oops. Got it. ;-) I think that one will go into my selection of course material along with the Savage Principle. Hmm, Savage and Loveless. Anyone see a trend here? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I guess it would be nice if I participated in my own poll ;-)) 1) A 19-inch CRT 2) 1024 x 768 3) I think it's about 900px or 1000px wide, depending on the browser setup used 4) 800w x 560h or so is just about perfect. I don't mind a little taller as I can expand the height of the screen easily enough. I prefer not to use automatic resizing in the browser. Sometimes the results are pretty strange 5) The broad answer is yes. I don't mind scrolling occasionally, but doing it for every photo gets tiresome. It's especially annoying when people post galleries. Shel [Original Message] 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1. 17 Dell and a 23 Mac, 1280x1024 and 1920x1200 resolution respectively. 2. the highest resolution possible 3. on the 17 probably nothing more than about 1000~1200 wide and no more than 800 tall. On the 23, no more than 1800 wide and 1000 pixels tall. 4, Generally I like to view images with at least 1000 pixels on a side. But 800 or more is usually fine. 5. scrolling is alright as long as the next, previous, and other buttons don't change position so much that it becomes ridiculous. -Brendan --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1) What size screen do you use 17 2) What resolution do you prefer? 1024X768 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 900X600 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 900X600 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Yes Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1) 17 2) 1152x864 3) about 900x600; maybe even 1024x786 depending on ads, menus etc... 4) probably 900x600 maximum 300x450 minimum...anything less than that is a thumbnail 5) only on the horizontal; I tolerate having to scroll vertically since my monitor is oriented horizontally. in fact I hate to scroll horizontally to view or read anything Bong On 4/4/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1) 17 2) 1024 x 768 3) aprox 950 x 633 4) aprox 950 x 633 5) Yes Tim Typo Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: 4. april 2007 06:02 To: PDML Subject: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1) 15 and 17 2) 1024x768 3) 970x648 4) min 800x600 max 970x648 5) Yes -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use IBM P260 nominal 21, 19.8 visible 2) What resolution do you prefer? Run at 1280x960 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. About 1000x700 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? About 1000x700 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? If it's interesting enough, I'll save as and open it with Irfanview, auto-resizing the image to fit the screen. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Assuming 90 dots per inch resolution and a 1:1 mapping, your picture should be 1440x2160 = 31 megabytes. That rules out almost all monitors and line speeds for optimum viewing. For optimum viewing therefore you need to decide for yourself what is the target screen size and resolution, and make the largest picture you can that fits, allowing the audience to take in the whole thing without scanning or scrolling. The audience will just have to lean a bit closer to appreciate the fine detail of the picture. Yup. What detail is visible anyway. An A3 print is so much nicer to examine closely. I should have added to my post that given the current near-impossibility of providing the optimum size of photograph, you have to compromise. The trade-offs are between showing the fine detail as best you can, and showing the whole picture at the expense of fine detail. Most people prefer to show the whole picture at the expense of fine detail, and most audiences seem to prefer it. However, if somebody (JCO for example) in some circumstances wants to trade the full-picture view then it's his choice and everyone should get off his back about it. Regards Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/4/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should have added to my post that given the current near-impossibility of providing the optimum size of photograph, you have to compromise. The trade-offs are between showing the fine detail as best you can, and showing the whole picture at the expense of fine detail. Most people prefer to show the whole picture at the expense of fine detail, and most audiences seem to prefer it. However, if somebody (JCO for example) in some circumstances wants to trade the full-picture view then it's his choice and everyone should get off his back about it. The problem with the example given is that it was a clumsy tradeoff that fulfilled neither criteria. The images were too large to comfortably fit most browsers, based on what I read onlist, but not large enough to show any fine detail, from what I saw when I looked at a random sampling of the pictures presented. No one would be on anyones back if someone would figure out that the my way or the highway mentality doesn't work on this forum, that there are a couple of dozen regular posters here that know a shitload more than he does, and that he could just quietly take constructive advice rather than go off on a bombastic man-child tantrum. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I think what hasnt been said but needs to be said regarding this thread is that the optimum size photo to use for general interest as well as photo interest web galleries/sites IS A MOVING TARGET. I remember when 600 pixels wide was recommended (mostly for bandwidth reasons but also limited display resolution reasons ) and now many are stating it should be 1024 wide for best compatibility. This number will continue to increase IMHO. If you want to continue to use the older screen resolution standards for WHATEREVER reason, fine, but I dont think it's reasonable for you to expect the rest of the computer world to cater to you forever as things continue to progress in this area. Its also a quality issue, not just a compatibility issue. jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No one would be on anyones back if someone would figure out that the my way or the highway mentality doesn't work on this forum, that there are a couple of dozen regular posters here that know a shitload more than he does, and that he could just quietly take constructive advice rather than go off on a bombastic man-child tantrum. Sure. But constructive advice is not what happened. He showed the pictures in all good faith, and people started having a go at him. It's just bullying, and he has a right to defend himself. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: 04 April 2007 22:32 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution On 4/4/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should have added to my post that given the current near-impossibility of providing the optimum size of photograph, you have to compromise. The trade-offs are between showing the fine detail as best you can, and showing the whole picture at the expense of fine detail. Most people prefer to show the whole picture at the expense of fine detail, and most audiences seem to prefer it. However, if somebody (JCO for example) in some circumstances wants to trade the full-picture view then it's his choice and everyone should get off his back about it. The problem with the example given is that it was a clumsy tradeoff that fulfilled neither criteria. The images were too large to comfortably fit most browsers, based on what I read onlist, but not large enough to show any fine detail, from what I saw when I looked at a random sampling of the pictures presented. No one would be on anyones back if someone would figure out that the my way or the highway mentality doesn't work on this forum, that there are a couple of dozen regular posters here that know a shitload more than he does, and that he could just quietly take constructive advice rather than go off on a bombastic man-child tantrum. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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most browsers? The browsers have nothing to due with it, it all about your screen resolution/workspace. These images fit nicely on my 1600x1200 display and you are DEAD WRONG about them not showing any more detail than the 800 or 1024 versions, they DO show signifigantly more detail than the smaller versions, roughly, 125% more resolution than 800 wide and 40% more resolution than 1024 wide. As usual you are just plain full of B.S. on this post and just looking to argue without any actual basis in fact. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:32 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution On 4/4/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should have added to my post that given the current near-impossibility of providing the optimum size of photograph, you have to compromise. The trade-offs are between showing the fine detail as best you can, and showing the whole picture at the expense of fine detail. Most people prefer to show the whole picture at the expense of fine detail, and most audiences seem to prefer it. However, if somebody (JCO for example) in some circumstances wants to trade the full-picture view then it's his choice and everyone should get off his back about it. The problem with the example given is that it was a clumsy tradeoff that fulfilled neither criteria. The images were too large to comfortably fit most browsers, based on what I read onlist, but not large enough to show any fine detail, from what I saw when I looked at a random sampling of the pictures presented. No one would be on anyones back if someone would figure out that the my way or the highway mentality doesn't work on this forum, that there are a couple of dozen regular posters here that know a shitload more than he does, and that he could just quietly take constructive advice rather than go off on a bombastic man-child tantrum. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sure. But constructive advice is not what happened. He showed the pictures in all good faith, and people started having a go at him. It's just bullying, and he has a right to defend himself. Not quite. I went back and read the thread in the archives. Constructive advice was exactly how this started, and it would have stopped in it's tracks if joc had used common manners and good grace rather than his typical approach whenever someone suggests something to him that he decides to be disagreeable about (which, as you know, is pretty much everything). If you check the archives, you will find joc made the first insulting/derogatory comment, and it escalated from there. It's just another case of joc playing the petty tyrant, and then feigning innocence when he is called out on it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: Sure. But constructive advice is not what happened. He showed the pictures in all good faith, and people started having a go at him. It's just bullying, and he has a right to defend himself. Not quite. I went back and read the thread in the archives. Constructive advice was exactly how this started, and it would have stopped in it's tracks if joc had used common manners and good grace rather than his typical approach whenever someone suggests something to him that he decides to be disagreeable about (which, as you know, is pretty much everything). If you check the archives, you will find joc made the first insulting/derogatory comment, and it escalated from there. It's just another case of joc playing the petty tyrant, and then feigning innocence when he is called out on it. William Robb I think that's a good analysis, William! Keith ~ from the other CA. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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yeah right, you read the whole thread in it entirety, perfectly noted and interpreted every single comment made in exact sequence, and like you really know what an insulting/derogatory comment is. I dont get upset or start insulting people for no reason. When I suggested that these people should upgrade their displays, which is NOT an insult or derogatory remark, They called me an elitest schmuck for not catering to their low spec displays and deciding to preserve as much of the quality of the photos as I could within very reasonable limits. I think your interpretation of what happened is just that, YOUR INTERPRETATION, and certainly not a matter of fact.. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:33 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution Sure. But constructive advice is not what happened. He showed the pictures in all good faith, and people started having a go at him. It's just bullying, and he has a right to defend himself. Not quite. I went back and read the thread in the archives. Constructive advice was exactly how this started, and it would have stopped in it's tracks if joc had used common manners and good grace rather than his typical approach whenever someone suggests something to him that he decides to be disagreeable about (which, as you know, is pretty much everything). If you check the archives, you will find joc made the first insulting/derogatory comment, and it escalated from there. It's just another case of joc playing the petty tyrant, and then feigning innocence when he is called out on it. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Right, it's just his analysis ,full of biased opinion, not factual or truthful however,,,Remember, he's the one who claimed I buggered up the web gallery by NOT degrading the photos enough for his limited display when in fact its his limited display that is doing the buggering up of that gallery. He can't blame the higher quality recording because of a poor, older, incompatible, incapable of displaying high resolution without scrolling, image playback system... That's exactly what he did in this case... jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of keith_w Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:42 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution William Robb wrote: Sure. But constructive advice is not what happened. He showed the pictures in all good faith, and people started having a go at him. It's just bullying, and he has a right to defend himself. Not quite. I went back and read the thread in the archives. Constructive advice was exactly how this started, and it would have stopped in it's tracks if joc had used common manners and good grace rather than his typical approach whenever someone suggests something to him that he decides to be disagreeable about (which, as you know, is pretty much everything). If you check the archives, you will find joc made the first insulting/derogatory comment, and it escalated from there. It's just another case of joc playing the petty tyrant, and then feigning innocence when he is called out on it. William Robb I think that's a good analysis, William! Keith ~ from the other CA. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/4/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) What size screen do you use Brand new monitor - 23 LCD display (Apple Cinema). 1920x1200. On the laptop, it's a 12 LCD, 1024x768. 2) What resolution do you prefer? See above. With LCD displays, you should _always_ run them at their max rated resolution, and scale your icons/fonts to be readable. 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. On the desktop machine, I don't run a full-screen browser. Probably about 1200x1000 pixels or so. I can size up if need be, but I prefer not to. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 1000xfoo pixels or foox1000 is about as big as I can go on the desktop. On the laptop, I prefer something around 600 pixels on the long side. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? I wouldn't go that far, but if it's a simple web gallery, I like being able to see a full-frame image in my browser, and to be able to click on it for a larger version if I like it, or want to see more detail. -Mat -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1) The smallest is on this here 12 in MacBook; there's also a 17 in iMac and a 15 in HP laptop screen (all calibrated). 2) Native resolution, in this case 1280 x 800 (others are about the same). 3) 600 pixels high, 1000 pixels wide. If no title or border, add 100 pixels. 4) 300 high min, 600 high max 5) Yes Rick --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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in an unrelated news, IT'S BETTER TO BE RICH AND HEALTHY than poor and sick... best, mishka HIGHER DISPLAY NET RESOLUTION IS SIMPLY BETTER than lower NET display resolution... jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well at least you arent arguing that poor and sick are better for reading text... jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mishka Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 9:54 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution in an unrelated news, IT'S BETTER TO BE RICH AND HEALTHY than poor and sick... best, mishka HIGHER DISPLAY NET RESOLUTION IS SIMPLY BETTER than lower NET display resolution... jco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use answer: I have a PROVIEW LCD 17 inch (and an 19 inch but the 19 inch is dead :( so its on the old machine) 2) What resolution do you prefer? I've gotten adjusted to 1152 x 864 - I cant cope with anything finer than that with my eyes - and the tiny fonts are invisible. 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. Depends on whether I'm looking at something in a slideshow or not... in slideshow I can see one almost as wide as my screen settings but I find it difficult to look it. - in other words, an image as big as my screen means I have to back away from my normal focal length from the computer so I don't have to scroll with my eyes. (I sit in the back row in movie theatres) 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? When I'm looking at photos on the web I like them no larger than 800 across by 600 high and if it is a portrait oriented shot 600 tall is too tall. (with the borders I have in my browser) 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel If there were no way to make them smaller on the site - on smug mug you can chose the size you want to view someone's iimages in, which is one reason I chose them for my web site. I also avoid any site that has those banners that move across the top or bottom when you are viewing one still. In fact, if _anything_ moves on the screen I leave the site, but that is just my personal craziness and problem eyes. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 4, 2007, at 12:47 AM, Bob W wrote: This approach is the wrong way round really. The ideal size across the diagonal for a picture should be about half the viewing distance. The recommended viewing distance for a computer screen is about 30 inches (75cm). Sure, fine theory. But the recommended viewing distance is hopeless for my eyesight and comfort ... I have my computer glasses tuned for a comfortable 23 viewing distance. Farther away than that and text on screen is hopeless unless I make it too big to be useful. I have tri-focals - no-line and the LCD screen is 19 from my face. I used to pooh-pooh LCD's but when my TV died a couple of years ago and I replaced it with the healthier by far LCD screen (not HIGH def something called enhanced def) - when my CRT died I got the PRoview - my eyes have felt much better since.. but I have a problem with glare so I have the computer set so that every background I work on is gray or darker... I can't read anything on line against a white background without it becoming painful. A few of you can attest to how large I have the fonts set on my machine for email :) ann For optimum viewing therefore you need to decide for yourself what is the target screen size and resolution, and make the largest picture you can that fits, allowing the audience to take in the whole thing without scanning or scrolling. The audience will just have to lean a bit closer to appreciate the fine detail of the picture. Yup. What detail is visible anyway. An A3 print is so much nicer to examine closely. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution
Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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1. 15.4 16:10 Laptop screen (replaced my 21 CRT running at 1856x1392, miss teh resolution, but the LCD is far more crisp, which makes up for a lot. Looks way better than any 19 CRT running at 1600x1200) 2. 1280x800 (max res) 3. 1000x700 or so 4. 800-1000 horizontal, 5-700 vertical 5. yes -Adam Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Answers in line. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 19 CRT. 2) What resolution do you prefer? 1600x1200dpi (Windows Large Fonts) 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. If a straight image file is displayed, (no html), it really doesn't matter. My browser resizes it automaticaly. With html code, say 1500x1100. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? Minimum verticle size 800 Maximum vertical 1100. Minimum horizontal 800 Maximum horizontal 1500. The browser can add moire artifacts when resizing. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? That depends on how good the first image was, (more to the point a large enough image invites a print if it's good I might feel inclined to make one for personal use). Shel -- Entropy Seminar: The results of a five yeer studee ntu the sekend lw uf thurmodynamiks aand itz inevibl fxt hon shewb rt nslpn raq liot. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Interestingly, my Samsung CRT, a SynchMaster 955DF (19) apparently isn't actually capable of providing a good quality image at settings above 1280x960. Admitedly, it isn't a high end monitor, but it was considered fairly good in it's day. IIRC. I expect most screens suffer the same sort of limitations, depending on their pixel pitch. http://www.dansdata.com/955df.htm While I can set the screen to quite a high resolution, it wiull support up to 1792x1344 on my video card, it looks progessively crappier beyond it's native pixel limit. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: POLL - Computer Screen Size Resolution Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use Dual 19 monitors set at 1280x1024. 2) What resolution do you prefer? Somewhat smaller than this. 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. About 850x1200 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? No bigger than 850x1200, presuming there is no HTML taking up space (thumbnails, captions, etc), certainly no smaller than the PUG dimensions, but I find it to be quite small, I'm most comfortable with images in the 600x900 or so range. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? It would have to be stellar photography to get me to look at them at all if it didn't fit my screen, since I would have to download the images and open them in Irfanview or some such. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 4/3/2007 9:06:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use === 15 wide, 19 diagonal -- I suppose they call that a 19 inch. I really don't have room on my desk for a bigger screen, even this is a bit of a push. 2) What resolution do you prefer? === I have now gotten used to a higher resolution and use 1280 X 1024. It took a while to adjust to the smaller print. The resolution settings on my monitor will go higher than that, I just don't like it, the print is way, way too small higher. 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. Not really sure. Never tested it. I make my own PESO's max of 800 pixels wide. But I suppose I could see 1000 or more wide. My browser takes up very little territory. I use AOL's built-in browser, and that is one thing I like about it, it has little overhead. Not sure how tall I can see. I'd have to run a test. This has come up so rarely, since most people size pictures down, that I really don't know. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? === Whatever size it is so I don't have to scroll sideways. I don't mind scrolling down as much. But I prefer not to do that too. 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? === Overall, yes. If they consistently did it. But sometimes some people show just one pic supersized and don't do it again. Or only do it rarely. It really depends, for me, on the quality of the photos and the photographer. But see #4, I don't like scrolling sideways for anyone. If it was done consistently by someone, then, yes, I would stop looking. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but I really don't know what is the maximum size of the pictures I can see. Maybe I should run a test and answer again. Just too lazy to do it right now and maybe too lazy to do it ever. Marnie aka Doe :-) Shel ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 4/4/07, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 1x 19 CRT (main display) 1x 19 LCD (secondary display) 2) What resolution do you prefer? 1280x1024 per display 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 1100x800 (there about) 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? Min: 600 pixels on the long side Max: 1100x800 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Generally yes, but if the pictures are really spectacular I put up with it. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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My workstation screen is a Cinema Display 23, native resolution 1920x1200 pixels. My laptop screen is a cinema format 15, native resolution 1290x960 pixels. I run them at the native resolution. Which is mostly irrelevant. I can see quite a large image on screen, even in a browser window, without scaling or scrolling, and I can always have the display scale as required. However, a lot of people can't do that, and scaling imposes its limitations on image quality. So, unlike some other people who consider themselves and their screen the center of the universe, I build my standard web page displays to look good on a 1024x768 pixel display so that many people can enjoy what I show. That implies, after extensive testing and querying people on all kinds of different systems, that my standard web images now are rendered to a maximum of 594 pixels tall and a maximum of 794 pixels wide. That allows just enough room in typical browser window on that size screen to display the whole image without scrolling and with a little room left over, possibly, for captioning and controls. It's tight on 1024x768. And it still images nicely on my 23 display without scaling. And I provide a larger size optional rendering for my pictures at 1000 pixels vertical dimension, leaving the horizontal to run to whatever size it ought to be without going past 1800 pixels, for those with display capabilities that can view at that resolution. Whenever I have to scroll around to see pictures, it becomes tiresome and I rapidly move on to the next thing on my agenda. The magic of the image is lost that way. Godfrey On Apr 3, 2007, at 9:01 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hi! Since there has been a rather interesting and lively discussion in a couple of other threads discussing computer screen size and resolution, it may be time to poll the topic again. 1) What size screen do you use 2) What resolution do you prefer? 3) What's the largest size image that you can see on your screen without undue scrolling? This would have to take into consideration real estate eaten up by the browser. 4) What minimum/maximum size images do you prefer to look at? 5) If you had to scroll to see an entire image, would you be less inclined to view additional images from that poster? 1. 20 16:10 Philips Brilliance 200W screen 2. Native 1680x1050 pixels 3. A4 horizontal, A5 vertical, there is always full screen mode by the way 4. 800x600, in fact PUG restriction of size is very restrictive if you ask me 5. No, I wouldn't be less inclined. I have a plugin that zooms images in my browser any way I like it. Cheers. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
