Re: Pentax Si
As a design it takes a lot from the Kodak Instamatic ethos, and for that matter, the entire Kodak ethos from the 1890, You press the shutter, we do the rest. It would be nice to see a point and shoot that actually seemed to be aimed at taking pictures, as opposed to being a platform to sell features, but it would also be nice to have a bit of actual control over the actual picture taking. On 8/15/2012 1:18 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 8/14/2012 12:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html It's a nice exercise in design. It's a masturbatory exercise in form over function. I sincerely am uncertain as to actual functionality of this apparatus. It would be completely useless for anyone that uses their camera for anything but a fashion accessory, or possibly an autonomous photobot that relieves the person holding it of any of the thought processes behind photography, except possibly what general direction to point the camera and whether their camera looks good with their clothes. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On 18/08/2012 10:41 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: As a design it takes a lot from the Kodak Instamatic ethos, and for that matter, the entire Kodak ethos from the 1890, You press the shutter, we do the rest. It would be nice to see a point and shoot that actually seemed to be aimed at taking pictures, as opposed to being a platform to sell features, but it would also be nice to have a bit of actual control over the actual picture taking. I think the little Nikon thing does that, as does the new Canon mirrorless. The Q, for all the disrespect it gets, is a surprisingly nice little picture taker as well. It's major feature being interchangeable lenses is actually useful, the build quality that makes it pricier than most people seem willing to pay makes it a pleasure to use.. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On 8/15/2012 8:18 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 8/14/2012 12:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html It's a nice exercise in design. It's a masturbatory exercise in form over function. I sincerely am uncertain as to actual functionality of this apparatus. It would be completely useless for anyone that uses their camera for anything but a fashion accessory, or possibly an autonomous photobot that relieves the person holding it of any of the thought processes behind photography, except possibly what general direction to point the camera and whether their camera looks good with their clothes. Larry, somehow I think you and I agree here. I simply looked in the very same direction but with slightly different angle of my head, so to ay. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Returning to the Si design brief, looks like the folks at Sigma are channeling the same camera spirit. The new DP2 Merrill looks like a production version of the Si in several ways. But of course, like any production camera almost has to, it has more controls on its surface ... http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/06/29/sigma-prices-dp2-merrill-preps-for-delivery -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Compacts are used for snapshots. Many times that's exactly what I'm doing, but I want to use a decent camera. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 8/14/2012 12:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html It's a nice exercise in design. It's a masturbatory exercise in form over function. I sincerely am uncertain as to actual functionality of this apparatus. It would be completely useless for anyone that uses their camera for anything but a fashion accessory, or possibly an autonomous photobot that relieves the person holding it of any of the thought processes behind photography, except possibly what general direction to point the camera and whether their camera looks good with their clothes. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:18 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 8/14/2012 12:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html It's a nice exercise in design. It's a masturbatory exercise in form over function. I sincerely am uncertain as to actual functionality of this apparatus. It would be completely useless for anyone that uses their camera for anything but a fashion accessory, or possibly an autonomous photobot that relieves the person holding it of any of the thought processes behind photography, except possibly what general direction to point the camera and whether their camera looks good with their clothes. Then you will be quite surprised to hear that cameras with exactly this level of automation and a complete lack of manual control have been incorporated into cellphones. And the uptake is surprisingly strong. Do you remember the Polaroid SX-70? Entire UI: button to open the camera, button to trigger shutter. Slot where image comes out. Door to change film. People loved them -- still do, in fact. There's a market for a camera where you point it and we do the rest. Whether that can actually be achieved in reality is another matter. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Olympus seems to be hinting that all 43 lenses will be fully usable on m43 bodies (via a future adaptor), which is somewhat comforting. Regards, Jeffery __ Jeffery Smith New Orleans, LA www.400tx.com On Aug 15, 2012, at 12:18 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Jeffery, Micro-FourThirds is the sensible direction for future FourThirds format cameras. It delivers on all the promises of FourThirds format. The E-M5 is a very fine camera, as are the Pens. (Panasonic's G1 was to me the best of the Panasonics. As it usually does, Panasonic puts a huge effort into their introductory camera and then they seem to peter out. However, their mFT lenses are pretty darn nice.) The Olympus EVF, however, and image stabilization is state of the art. That said, Olympus is continuing to produce the E-5 (and it is a marvelous camera) and their state of the art lenses for it for their professional community, which is larger than most people think. For many professional purposes, the SLR is still the best choice in responsiveness and versatility. Another generation or two on the mFT and the moving mirror camera will be well superceded. The Sony RX100 is selling very well. However, it's not a Rollei 35 killer at all. It's a good performer, but without a view finder and without simple to see and set, discrete controls it just does nothing to make me want to trade it for my Rollei 35S. The Leica X2, on the other hand, is the closest thing I've seen to a Rollei 35S in a digital camera: I'm loving it. G On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: Not to stray OT, but 43 seems extinct (with the future apparently entirely m43 for Olympus). I have an m43 Panasonic, and don't like it even with the optional EVF. The new Sony 20mp no-VF Rollei-35 killer isn't catching the world by storm. Who are the enthusiasts who love a high-end camera the size of a pack of Camels? Is the dSLR market driven entirely by Facebook posters? Won't their iPhone cameras suffice? Not to vent here, but I'm thinking that I'd better pick up an Olympus E-5 simply because I'm already invested in fourthirds. And it makes me appreciate more that Pentax will continue to make cameras that can be held with 6-8 fingers rather than just 4. Jeffery Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA On Aug 14, 2012, at 20:39, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:17 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bruce Walker http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html Still no eye-level viewfinder. Not for the bi-focal impaired, shaky hands generation. I love the description that Kirk Tuck uses for the way you have to use rear-screen-only cameras: the dirty diaper hold. It's entirely possible that cameras that the far-sighted, shaky-hands set can use might effectively disappear. Look what's happened with phones: there isn't one on the market that I can use without glasses. They are all designed by people with excellent vision, so they don't give a flying fuck whether far-sighted folks can use them. I've learned to use my SLR pretty much by feel, and the viewfinder with diopter adjustment makes that possible. I don't use my iPod or cell phone unless I absolutely have to; I've learned to detest cellphones. The trending seems to be toward PS's being folded into cell phones and mirrorless designs replacing everything else. SLRs would gravitate upward into the rarified, ultra-pricey Pro market along with medium format digital back types of kit. Probably talking $3000 bodies and up only. Where would that leave us? Screwed. Maybe EVFs with diopters will save the day. Remains to be seen. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On 16 August 2012 01:14, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: Olympus seems to be hinting that all 43 lenses will be fully usable on m43 bodies (via a future adaptor), which is somewhat comforting. There have been 4/3 to m43 adapters since the beginning of m43. The Olympus version conveys every function of Olympus 4/3 lenses. The Panasonic version adds the extra function of in-lens optical image stabilization which is particular to their lenses and was developed outside of the 4/3 blueprint, a bit like RIcoh's independent development of aperture control linkage for K-mount lenses. Despite this you can still use an Olympus adapter between Panasonic m43 cameras and 4/3 lenses, because it is the principle of the 4/3 concept to be a universal fit regardless of brand. You simply sacrifice the OIS function which Olympus gear was never meant to support. regards, Anthony -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 August 2012 01:14, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: Olympus seems to be hinting that all 43 lenses will be fully usable on m43 bodies (via a future adaptor), which is somewhat comforting. There have been 4/3 to m43 adapters since the beginning of m43. The Olympus version conveys every function of Olympus 4/3 lenses. The Panasonic version adds the extra function of in-lens optical image stabilization which is particular to their lenses and was developed outside of the 4/3 blueprint, a bit like RIcoh's independent development of aperture control linkage for K-mount lenses. Despite this you can still use an Olympus adapter between Panasonic m43 cameras and 4/3 lenses, because it is the principle of the 4/3 concept to be a universal fit regardless of brand. You simply sacrifice the OIS function which Olympus gear was never meant to support. Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150 mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies (although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS). Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not). Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or 14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1 (continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1. All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF logic built into them on the earliest bodies. The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like Sony has done. Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier. Are Panasonic's shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies? I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens. Did the G1 use a switch on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did? regards, Anthony On 16 August 2012 03:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: (older stuff snipped) Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150 mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies (although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS). Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not). Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or 14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1 (continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1. All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF logic built into them on the earliest bodies. The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like Sony has done. Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Not to hijack the thread (but here I go), I have the Oly version of this adapter http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842941-REG/Olympus_V3230500W000_MMF_3_Four_Thirds_Adapter.html and no more 43 lenses. If anyone is interested, just shoot me an email. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier. Are Panasonic's shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies? I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens. Did the G1 use a switch on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did? regards, Anthony On 16 August 2012 03:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: (older stuff snipped) Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150 mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies (although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS). Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not). Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or 14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1 (continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1. All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF logic built into them on the earliest bodies. The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like Sony has done. Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier. Are Panasonic's shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies? I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens. Did the G1 use a switch on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did? Panasonic uses an optical image stabilization mechanism built into each lens that supports it. The Micro-FourThirds lens delivered with the G1 had the on/off switch to enable it built into the lens. Later mFT lenses (and body firmware) move the on-off capability into the body firmware and later lenses lack the on-off switch. In the body firmware for both mFT and FT were the other OIS control options (mode 1,2 and 3 operation :: continuous, at exposure time only, panning) all the way along. On Olympus FT bodies without IBIS, you use the in-lens OIS in the default Mode 1 operation. On Olympus mFT bodies, you're best to turn off the OIS and engage the body's IBIS system. All three of the Panasonic FT lenses which supported OIS had the on/off switch on the lens. Prices for the FT to mFT adapters have varied back and forth depending on market region and brand. The most expensive one is the latest one from Olympus which is weather-sealed and completes the weather-sealing provided by the E-M5 and (FT) ZD HG and SHG lenses. It's not important if you don't have a weather-sealed body or lens. I'm a little confused by what adapter you plan to buy. No adapter is needed to use Panasonic FT lenses on Olympus FT bodies, and vice versa. Similarly, no adapter is needed to use Panasonic mFT lenses on Olympus mFT bodies and vice-versa. You only need an FT to mFT adapter to use FT SLR lenses on mFT bodies, and which adapter you choose from Olympus or Panasonic makes no difference other than for the weather sealing I mentioned above, and price. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Your comment is a little ambiguous. I don't need an FT to mFT adapter, but you pointed to the latest Olympus MMF-3 adapter with the weather sealing. Is that the one you have, or do you have the MMF-1 or MMF-2? G On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Not to hijack the thread (but here I go), I have the Oly version of this adapter http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842941-REG/Olympus_V3230500W000_MMF_3_Four_Thirds_Adapter.html and no more 43 lenses. If anyone is interested, just shoot me an email. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier. Are Panasonic's shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies? I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens. Did the G1 use a switch on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did? regards, Anthony On 16 August 2012 03:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: (older stuff snipped) Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150 mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies (although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS). Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not). Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or 14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1 (continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1. All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF logic built into them on the earliest bodies. The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like Sony has done. Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On 16 August 2012 04:49, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a little confused by what adapter you plan to buy. No adapter is needed to use Panasonic FT lenses on Olympus FT bodies, and vice versa. Similarly, no adapter is needed to use Panasonic mFT lenses on Olympus mFT bodies and vice-versa. You only need an FT to mFT adapter to use FT SLR lenses on mFT bodies, and which adapter you choose from Olympus or Panasonic makes no difference other than for the weather sealing I mentioned above, and price. I have Oly 4/3 lenses which I'd someday like to use on my Panny mFT camera body. I wanted to leave the door open to use Panny 4/3 lenses if I ever found such a beast at an affordable price. Thanks to you I've learned that the humble Oly adapter will suffice, I thought I'd need the Panny adapter to get OIS function. regards, Anthony -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: I have Oly 4/3 lenses which I'd someday like to use on my Panny mFT camera body. I wanted to leave the door open to use Panny 4/3 lenses if I ever found such a beast at an affordable price. Thanks to you I've learned that the humble Oly adapter will suffice, I thought I'd need the Panny adapter to get OIS function. Ah. Well, just to be clear, you'll never have the Panasonic OIS functionality from Olympus lenses on any body. That's a function built into the specific lens. There are only three FourThirds SLR lenses with OIS -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Sorry. It's the MMF-1, the first one. I didn't even realize there was a later model. I haven't used it in so long and I was just reminded that I had it sitting around. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: Your comment is a little ambiguous. I don't need an FT to mFT adapter, but you pointed to the latest Olympus MMF-3 adapter with the weather sealing. Is that the one you have, or do you have the MMF-1 or MMF-2? G On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Not to hijack the thread (but here I go), I have the Oly version of this adapter http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842941-REG/Olympus_V3230500W000_MMF_3_Four_Thirds_Adapter.html and no more 43 lenses. If anyone is interested, just shoot me an email. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: That's good news, because it means I can save a load of dollars when I buy an adapter, because Panasonic's is much pricier. Are Panasonic's shake sensors built into the lenses and not the bodies? I had thought they were controlled from the bodies, because the stabilization mode selection is controlled from the body's menu on my Panny G2 and there's no switch on the lens. Did the G1 use a switch on the lenses like the 4/3 Panny DSLRs did? regards, Anthony On 16 August 2012 03:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: (older stuff snipped) Actually, the FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds adapters are identical in function. Panasonic's in-lens IS on their Elmarit-D 14-50 and 14-150 mm lenses for FourThirds format works fine on the Olympus bodies (although it is unneeded for all the modern ones which have IBIS). Panasonic only produced four lenses for FourThirds SLRs anyway, and only three of them have OIS (the Summilux-D 25mm does not). Olympus bodies simply don't have the firmware for controlling the different options of the Panasonic OIS, just like they don't have the firmware to allow the Summilux and early 14-50/2.8-3.5 or 14-150/3.5-5.6 lenses' aperture rings. The OIS is switched on and off by a mechanical switch on the lenses, and operates only in Mode 1 (continuous). (The aperture is controlled by standard Olympus on-body controls.) Did a fine job with my E-1. All the FourThirds SLR lenses have been fully usable on all Micro-FourThirds bodies from the beginning with both Panasonic and Olympus adapters, with the exception of auto-focus capabilities. All Olympus bodies will support autofocus functions, albeit not particularly quickly, where Panasonic felt that the AF was poor enough on most that they limited support to those that at least had some CDAF logic built into them on the earliest bodies. The latest Micro-FourThirds bodies from Olympus manage the FourThirds SLR lenses' AF functions more efficiently so AF performance has been improved. My understanding is that they might implement a PDAF module in an adapter to supplement the CDAF and improve focusing speed, like Sony has done. Whew, has this discussion moved off the track from the Si ... ;-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On Aug 13, 2012, at 6:41 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: The K30 is more likely positioned as a replacement for the Kr, the entry level camera. The K5 replacement should be an upgrade, not a downgrade. I expect better autofocus, better flash control, and autofocus video with stereo sound. I don't see higher resolution, because I don't think that can be done without losing high ISO capability. But I could be wrong. Full frame would be nice, but I'd rate it as not likely, given the lens lineup. But nothing is impossible. Paul Paul, You are completely missing the most important potential upgrade for the K-5. Even in the United States, it should have the option for Japanese levels of color scheme customization. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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This is very nice, and I would buy one at the drop of a hat. But utopian designs, after they get through the maw of development, marketing and user demands, regulatory and the realities of production, never turn out quite the same. Also, I would pimp it with some Black and White Cobra skin (sorry) On 14/08/2012 7:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
It's a lot nicer looking than the K-01. PR could have made this and I bet it would have sold better. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote: This is very nice, and I would buy one at the drop of a hat. But utopian designs, after they get through the maw of development, marketing and user demands, regulatory and the realities of production, never turn out quite the same. Also, I would pimp it with some Black and White Cobra skin (sorry) On 14/08/2012 7:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Funny, it's available today at BH and it's not listed as discontinued. It is a very nice price however... On 8/13/2012 5:24 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Some design student's half effort. He forgot to take the Leica X2 off this image: http://s3.amazonaws.com/v6.production.assets/1344803869900-NOZZWGSUE68OZ0090NMI In other news... it appears that the K-5 is really discontinued and if you wanted one you'd better grab one now before the price starts upwards again. Currently, you can buy a new body on that infernal auction site for as little as $849. BH is showing it as discontinued. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart, they might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthly search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
on 2012-08-14 17:33 P. J. Alling wrote Funny, it's available today at BH and it's not listed as discontinued. It is a very nice price however... at BH the kit is listed as discontinued, body only is not; no idea what that means; K-30, K-5 and K-r all seem like active products here: http://www.pentaximaging.com/dslr -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
The price is attractive, but the discontinued might have been premature (pre-Photokina). The only thing I would change about the K-5 is to put Fuji's APS sensor in it. Regards, Jeffery _ Jeffery Smith Irish Channel, New Orleans, LA www.400tx.com On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:00 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2012-08-14 17:33 P. J. Alling wrote Funny, it's available today at BH and it's not listed as discontinued. It is a very nice price however... at BH the kit is listed as discontinued, body only is not; no idea what that means; K-30, K-5 and K-r all seem like active products here: http://www.pentaximaging.com/dslr -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
From: Bruce Walker http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html Still no eye-level viewfinder. Not for the bi-focal impaired, shaky hands generation. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:17 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bruce Walker http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html Still no eye-level viewfinder. Not for the bi-focal impaired, shaky hands generation. I love the description that Kirk Tuck uses for the way you have to use rear-screen-only cameras: the dirty diaper hold. It's entirely possible that cameras that the far-sighted, shaky-hands set can use might effectively disappear. Look what's happened with phones: there isn't one on the market that I can use without glasses. They are all designed by people with excellent vision, so they don't give a flying fuck whether far-sighted folks can use them. I've learned to use my SLR pretty much by feel, and the viewfinder with diopter adjustment makes that possible. I don't use my iPod or cell phone unless I absolutely have to; I've learned to detest cellphones. The trending seems to be toward PS's being folded into cell phones and mirrorless designs replacing everything else. SLRs would gravitate upward into the rarified, ultra-pricey Pro market along with medium format digital back types of kit. Probably talking $3000 bodies and up only. Where would that leave us? Screwed. Maybe EVFs with diopters will save the day. Remains to be seen. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Not to stray OT, but 43 seems extinct (with the future apparently entirely m43 for Olympus). I have an m43 Panasonic, and don't like it even with the optional EVF. The new Sony 20mp no-VF Rollei-35 killer isn't catching the world by storm. Who are the enthusiasts who love a high-end camera the size of a pack of Camels? Is the dSLR market driven entirely by Facebook posters? Won't their iPhone cameras suffice? Not to vent here, but I'm thinking that I'd better pick up an Olympus E-5 simply because I'm already invested in fourthirds. And it makes me appreciate more that Pentax will continue to make cameras that can be held with 6-8 fingers rather than just 4. Jeffery Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA On Aug 14, 2012, at 20:39, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:17 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bruce Walker http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html Still no eye-level viewfinder. Not for the bi-focal impaired, shaky hands generation. I love the description that Kirk Tuck uses for the way you have to use rear-screen-only cameras: the dirty diaper hold. It's entirely possible that cameras that the far-sighted, shaky-hands set can use might effectively disappear. Look what's happened with phones: there isn't one on the market that I can use without glasses. They are all designed by people with excellent vision, so they don't give a flying fuck whether far-sighted folks can use them. I've learned to use my SLR pretty much by feel, and the viewfinder with diopter adjustment makes that possible. I don't use my iPod or cell phone unless I absolutely have to; I've learned to detest cellphones. The trending seems to be toward PS's being folded into cell phones and mirrorless designs replacing everything else. SLRs would gravitate upward into the rarified, ultra-pricey Pro market along with medium format digital back types of kit. Probably talking $3000 bodies and up only. Where would that leave us? Screwed. Maybe EVFs with diopters will save the day. Remains to be seen. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
The Sony is the third best selling camera on Amazon. It's done really well as far as I know. Lots of enthusiasts are buying a serious PS to compliment they DSLR system. I know I get tired of toting the K7 and lens around Disneyworld, etc. That's why I got the X10. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: Not to stray OT, but 43 seems extinct (with the future apparently entirely m43 for Olympus). I have an m43 Panasonic, and don't like it even with the optional EVF. The new Sony 20mp no-VF Rollei-35 killer isn't catching the world by storm. Who are the enthusiasts who love a high-end camera the size of a pack of Camels? Is the dSLR market driven entirely by Facebook posters? Won't their iPhone cameras suffice? Not to vent here, but I'm thinking that I'd better pick up an Olympus E-5 simply because I'm already invested in fourthirds. And it makes me appreciate more that Pentax will continue to make cameras that can be held with 6-8 fingers rather than just 4. Jeffery Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA On Aug 14, 2012, at 20:39, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:17 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bruce Walker http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html Still no eye-level viewfinder. Not for the bi-focal impaired, shaky hands generation. I love the description that Kirk Tuck uses for the way you have to use rear-screen-only cameras: the dirty diaper hold. It's entirely possible that cameras that the far-sighted, shaky-hands set can use might effectively disappear. Look what's happened with phones: there isn't one on the market that I can use without glasses. They are all designed by people with excellent vision, so they don't give a flying fuck whether far-sighted folks can use them. I've learned to use my SLR pretty much by feel, and the viewfinder with diopter adjustment makes that possible. I don't use my iPod or cell phone unless I absolutely have to; I've learned to detest cellphones. The trending seems to be toward PS's being folded into cell phones and mirrorless designs replacing everything else. SLRs would gravitate upward into the rarified, ultra-pricey Pro market along with medium format digital back types of kit. Probably talking $3000 bodies and up only. Where would that leave us? Screwed. Maybe EVFs with diopters will save the day. Remains to be seen. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
I guess that I'm wondering how many 15+ mp cameras are being used for more than 3 mp ( or less). I cannot imagine buying a 20 mp camera with no viewfinder. It seems to define the term snapshot. Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA On Aug 14, 2012, at 21:17, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: The Sony is the third best selling camera on Amazon. It's done really well as far as I know. Lots of enthusiasts are buying a serious PS to compliment they DSLR system. I know I get tired of toting the K7 and lens around Disneyworld, etc. That's why I got the X10. On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: Not to stray OT, but 43 seems extinct (with the future apparently entirely m43 for Olympus). I have an m43 Panasonic, and don't like it even with the optional EVF. The new Sony 20mp no-VF Rollei-35 killer isn't catching the world by storm. Who are the enthusiasts who love a high-end camera the size of a pack of Camels? Is the dSLR market driven entirely by Facebook posters? Won't their iPhone cameras suffice? Not to vent here, but I'm thinking that I'd better pick up an Olympus E-5 simply because I'm already invested in fourthirds. And it makes me appreciate more that Pentax will continue to make cameras that can be held with 6-8 fingers rather than just 4. Jeffery Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA On Aug 14, 2012, at 20:39, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:17 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bruce Walker http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html Still no eye-level viewfinder. Not for the bi-focal impaired, shaky hands generation. I love the description that Kirk Tuck uses for the way you have to use rear-screen-only cameras: the dirty diaper hold. It's entirely possible that cameras that the far-sighted, shaky-hands set can use might effectively disappear. Look what's happened with phones: there isn't one on the market that I can use without glasses. They are all designed by people with excellent vision, so they don't give a flying fuck whether far-sighted folks can use them. I've learned to use my SLR pretty much by feel, and the viewfinder with diopter adjustment makes that possible. I don't use my iPod or cell phone unless I absolutely have to; I've learned to detest cellphones. The trending seems to be toward PS's being folded into cell phones and mirrorless designs replacing everything else. SLRs would gravitate upward into the rarified, ultra-pricey Pro market along with medium format digital back types of kit. Probably talking $3000 bodies and up only. Where would that leave us? Screwed. Maybe EVFs with diopters will save the day. Remains to be seen. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On 8/14/2012 12:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html It's a nice exercise in design. I sincerely am uncertain as to actual functionality of this apparatus. If Pentax thinks they're going to carve themselves a market niche with designer products such as Q, K-01 or Si, then I sincerely hope they did their thinking properly... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Jeffery, Micro-FourThirds is the sensible direction for future FourThirds format cameras. It delivers on all the promises of FourThirds format. The E-M5 is a very fine camera, as are the Pens. (Panasonic's G1 was to me the best of the Panasonics. As it usually does, Panasonic puts a huge effort into their introductory camera and then they seem to peter out. However, their mFT lenses are pretty darn nice.) The Olympus EVF, however, and image stabilization is state of the art. That said, Olympus is continuing to produce the E-5 (and it is a marvelous camera) and their state of the art lenses for it for their professional community, which is larger than most people think. For many professional purposes, the SLR is still the best choice in responsiveness and versatility. Another generation or two on the mFT and the moving mirror camera will be well superceded. The Sony RX100 is selling very well. However, it's not a Rollei 35 killer at all. It's a good performer, but without a view finder and without simple to see and set, discrete controls it just does nothing to make me want to trade it for my Rollei 35S. The Leica X2, on the other hand, is the closest thing I've seen to a Rollei 35S in a digital camera: I'm loving it. G On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote: Not to stray OT, but 43 seems extinct (with the future apparently entirely m43 for Olympus). I have an m43 Panasonic, and don't like it even with the optional EVF. The new Sony 20mp no-VF Rollei-35 killer isn't catching the world by storm. Who are the enthusiasts who love a high-end camera the size of a pack of Camels? Is the dSLR market driven entirely by Facebook posters? Won't their iPhone cameras suffice? Not to vent here, but I'm thinking that I'd better pick up an Olympus E-5 simply because I'm already invested in fourthirds. And it makes me appreciate more that Pentax will continue to make cameras that can be held with 6-8 fingers rather than just 4. Jeffery Sent from my iPad Jeffery L. Smith New Orleans, Louisiana USA On Aug 14, 2012, at 20:39, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:17 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Bruce Walker http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html Still no eye-level viewfinder. Not for the bi-focal impaired, shaky hands generation. I love the description that Kirk Tuck uses for the way you have to use rear-screen-only cameras: the dirty diaper hold. It's entirely possible that cameras that the far-sighted, shaky-hands set can use might effectively disappear. Look what's happened with phones: there isn't one on the market that I can use without glasses. They are all designed by people with excellent vision, so they don't give a flying fuck whether far-sighted folks can use them. I've learned to use my SLR pretty much by feel, and the viewfinder with diopter adjustment makes that possible. I don't use my iPod or cell phone unless I absolutely have to; I've learned to detest cellphones. The trending seems to be toward PS's being folded into cell phones and mirrorless designs replacing everything else. SLRs would gravitate upward into the rarified, ultra-pricey Pro market along with medium format digital back types of kit. Probably talking $3000 bodies and up only. Where would that leave us? Screwed. Maybe EVFs with diopters will save the day. Remains to be seen. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
On Aug 14, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 8/14/2012 12:18 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html It's a nice exercise in design. It's a masturbatory exercise in form over function. I sincerely am uncertain as to actual functionality of this apparatus. It would be completely useless for anyone that uses their camera for anything but a fashion accessory, or possibly an autonomous photobot that relieves the person holding it of any of the thought processes behind photography, except possibly what general direction to point the camera and whether their camera looks good with their clothes. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax Si
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Re: Pentax Si
Some design student's half effort. He forgot to take the Leica X2 off this image: http://s3.amazonaws.com/v6.production.assets/1344803869900-NOZZWGSUE68OZ0090NMI In other news... it appears that the K-5 is really discontinued and if you wanted one you'd better grab one now before the price starts upwards again. Currently, you can buy a new body on that infernal auction site for as little as $849. BH is showing it as discontinued. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around. -Thomas Moore, Original Self -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
I don't think it was an oversight, I think it was deliberate, using the Leica as a reference, much like the iPod and steering wheel in an earlier image. jm -Original Message- From: Darren Addy Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 5:24 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Pentax Si Some design student's half effort. He forgot to take the Leica X2 off this image: http://s3.amazonaws.com/v6.production.assets/1344803869900-NOZZWGSUE68OZ0090NMI In other news... it appears that the K-5 is really discontinued and if you wanted one you'd better grab one now before the price starts upwards again. Currently, you can buy a new body on that infernal auction site for as little as $849. BH is showing it as discontinued. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around. -Thomas Moore, Original Self -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Darren, he's comparing the relatively complex Leica to his ultra simple design. Always fun to hear the thoughts of industrial designers, even/especially student ones. How can the K-5 be discontinued *before* a replacement upgrade model is introduced? Isn't that a marketing faux pas? Or is it a clever way to create demand for the now onsolete kit and get it moving? Hmmm. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Some design student's half effort. He forgot to take the Leica X2 off this image: http://s3.amazonaws.com/v6.production.assets/1344803869900-NOZZWGSUE68OZ0090NMI In other news... it appears that the K-5 is really discontinued and if you wanted one you'd better grab one now before the price starts upwards again. Currently, you can buy a new body on that infernal auction site for as little as $849. BH is showing it as discontinued. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around. -Thomas Moore, Original Self -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
Maybe the K30 is the replacement for the K5, and the new one is higher end. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Darren, he's comparing the relatively complex Leica to his ultra simple design. Always fun to hear the thoughts of industrial designers, even/especially student ones. How can the K-5 be discontinued *before* a replacement upgrade model is introduced? Isn't that a marketing faux pas? Or is it a clever way to create demand for the now onsolete kit and get it moving? Hmmm. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Some design student's half effort. He forgot to take the Leica X2 off this image: http://s3.amazonaws.com/v6.production.assets/1344803869900-NOZZWGSUE68OZ0090NMI In other news... it appears that the K-5 is really discontinued and if you wanted one you'd better grab one now before the price starts upwards again. Currently, you can buy a new body on that infernal auction site for as little as $849. BH is showing it as discontinued. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around. -Thomas Moore, Original Self -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
It's not a pro-level replacement. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the K30 is the replacement for the K5, and the new one is higher end. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Darren, he's comparing the relatively complex Leica to his ultra simple design. Always fun to hear the thoughts of industrial designers, even/especially student ones. How can the K-5 be discontinued *before* a replacement upgrade model is introduced? Isn't that a marketing faux pas? Or is it a clever way to create demand for the now onsolete kit and get it moving? Hmmm. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Some design student's half effort. He forgot to take the Leica X2 off this image: http://s3.amazonaws.com/v6.production.assets/1344803869900-NOZZWGSUE68OZ0090NMI In other news... it appears that the K-5 is really discontinued and if you wanted one you'd better grab one now before the price starts upwards again. Currently, you can buy a new body on that infernal auction site for as little as $849. BH is showing it as discontinued. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around. -Thomas Moore, Original Self -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
The K30 is more likely positioned as a replacement for the Kr, the entry level camera. The K5 replacement should be an upgrade, not a downgrade. I expect better autofocus, better flash control, and autofocus video with stereo sound. I don't see higher resolution, because I don't think that can be done without losing high ISO capability. But I could be wrong. Full frame would be nice, but I'd rate it as not likely, given the lens lineup. But nothing is impossible. Paul On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Maybe the K30 is the replacement for the K5, and the new one is higher end. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Darren, he's comparing the relatively complex Leica to his ultra simple design. Always fun to hear the thoughts of industrial designers, even/especially student ones. How can the K-5 be discontinued *before* a replacement upgrade model is introduced? Isn't that a marketing faux pas? Or is it a clever way to create demand for the now onsolete kit and get it moving? Hmmm. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Some design student's half effort. He forgot to take the Leica X2 off this image: http://s3.amazonaws.com/v6.production.assets/1344803869900-NOZZWGSUE68OZ0090NMI In other news... it appears that the K-5 is really discontinued and if you wanted one you'd better grab one now before the price starts upwards again. Currently, you can buy a new body on that infernal auction site for as little as $849. BH is showing it as discontinued. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around. -Thomas Moore, Original Self -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pentax Si
I'm saying this in two threads, but I can see a MILC (APS-C or FF), the K30, and a high end FF. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: The K30 is more likely positioned as a replacement for the Kr, the entry level camera. The K5 replacement should be an upgrade, not a downgrade. I expect better autofocus, better flash control, and autofocus video with stereo sound. I don't see higher resolution, because I don't think that can be done without losing high ISO capability. But I could be wrong. Full frame would be nice, but I'd rate it as not likely, given the lens lineup. But nothing is impossible. Paul On Aug 13, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Maybe the K30 is the replacement for the K5, and the new one is higher end. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Darren, he's comparing the relatively complex Leica to his ultra simple design. Always fun to hear the thoughts of industrial designers, even/especially student ones. How can the K-5 be discontinued *before* a replacement upgrade model is introduced? Isn't that a marketing faux pas? Or is it a clever way to create demand for the now onsolete kit and get it moving? Hmmm. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Some design student's half effort. He forgot to take the Leica X2 off this image: http://s3.amazonaws.com/v6.production.assets/1344803869900-NOZZWGSUE68OZ0090NMI In other news... it appears that the K-5 is really discontinued and if you wanted one you'd better grab one now before the price starts upwards again. Currently, you can buy a new body on that infernal auction site for as little as $849. BH is showing it as discontinued. On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/2012/8/12/pentax-si.html -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- The key to seeing the world's soul, and in the process wakening one's own, is to get over the confusion by which we think that fact is real and imagination an illusion. It is the other way around. -Thomas Moore, Original Self -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
