Re: Pirelli goes natural
When my father was explaining the mechanic of the facts of life to my brother and I, I recall him using the descriptive term "tool" several times. J Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > I like it and I'm 56. > > I've long been a fan of the Pirelli calendar. I've never put it in the same > bin as more conventional pin-up calendars. I have no objection to them, other > than it bugs me when the women are shown misusing tools. > > To me the Pirelli calendar has always been more about photography than just > pictures of generic pretty women. > > I think that the year that really caught my attention was 1984 > https://bennettstreet.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/pirelli-calendar-1984/ > > Particularly the pictures with the tread pattern painted on the models. > > http://www.widewalls.ch/pirelli-calendar-and-the-long-history-of-beauty-and-eros/ > > John Francis wrote: >> I don't (and I'm 67, too). >> But what others think doesn't matter that much, really - >> probably the only person on the list whose opinion would >> weigh that heavily would be Bruce, because he probably >> knows more than any of us about this kind of photography. >> >>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:40:28PM -0500, John wrote: >>> I like it. I'm 67. >>> >>>> On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: >>>> I say lets vote on it. Like or dislike but each vote must be >>>> accompanied by the voter's age. >>>> I like it...66 >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: >>>>> Couldn???t disagree more. >>>>> >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. >>>>>> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. >>>>>> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of >>>>>> one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. >>>>>> I think they've lost their direction with this edition. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kenneth Waller >>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" >>>>>> Subject: Pirelli goes natural >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using >>>>>>> makeup or retouching. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) >>>>>>> http://red4est.com/lrc >>>>> >>> -- >>> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >>> Religion - Answers we must never question. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pirelli goes natural
Pirelli sent me a calendar every year through the '80s. Don't know what became of them. My wife wasn't a big fan. Paul via phone > On Dec 22, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > I like it and I'm 56. > > I've long been a fan of the Pirelli calendar. I've never put it in the same > bin as more conventional pin-up calendars. I have no objection to them, other > than it bugs me when the women are shown misusing tools. > > To me the Pirelli calendar has always been more about photography than just > pictures of generic pretty women. > > I think that the year that really caught my attention was 1984 > https://bennettstreet.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/pirelli-calendar-1984/ > > Particularly the pictures with the tread pattern painted on the models. > > http://www.widewalls.ch/pirelli-calendar-and-the-long-history-of-beauty-and-eros/ > > John Francis wrote: >> I don't (and I'm 67, too). >> But what others think doesn't matter that much, really - >> probably the only person on the list whose opinion would >> weigh that heavily would be Bruce, because he probably >> knows more than any of us about this kind of photography. >> >>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:40:28PM -0500, John wrote: >>> I like it. I'm 67. >>> >>>> On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: >>>> I say lets vote on it. Like or dislike but each vote must be >>>> accompanied by the voter's age. >>>> I like it...66 >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: >>>>> Couldn???t disagree more. >>>>> >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. >>>>>> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. >>>>>> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of >>>>>> one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. >>>>>> I think they've lost their direction with this edition. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kenneth Waller >>>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" >>>>>> Subject: Pirelli goes natural >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using >>>>>>> makeup or retouching. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) >>>>>>> http://red4est.com/lrc >>>>> >>> -- >>> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >>> Religion - Answers we must never question. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >> > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pirelli goes natural
I like it and I'm 56. I've long been a fan of the Pirelli calendar. I've never put it in the same bin as more conventional pin-up calendars. I have no objection to them, other than it bugs me when the women are shown misusing tools. To me the Pirelli calendar has always been more about photography than just pictures of generic pretty women. I think that the year that really caught my attention was 1984 https://bennettstreet.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/pirelli-calendar-1984/ Particularly the pictures with the tread pattern painted on the models. http://www.widewalls.ch/pirelli-calendar-and-the-long-history-of-beauty-and-eros/ John Francis wrote: I don't (and I'm 67, too). But what others think doesn't matter that much, really - probably the only person on the list whose opinion would weigh that heavily would be Bruce, because he probably knows more than any of us about this kind of photography. On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:40:28PM -0500, John wrote: I like it. I'm 67. On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: I say lets vote on it. Like or dislike but each vote must be accompanied by the voter's age. I like it...66 On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: Couldn???t disagree more. m On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pirelli goes natural
I don't (and I'm 67, too). But what others think doesn't matter that much, really - probably the only person on the list whose opinion would weigh that heavily would be Bruce, because he probably knows more than any of us about this kind of photography. On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 10:40:28PM -0500, John wrote: > I like it. I'm 67. > > On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: > > I say lets vote on it. Like or dislike but each vote must be > > accompanied by the voter's age. > > I like it...66 > > > > > > On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: > > > Couldn???t disagree more. > > > > > > m > > > > > > > On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. > > > > I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. > > > > Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of > > > > one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. > > > > I think they've lost their direction with this edition. > > > > > > > > Kenneth Waller > > > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > > > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" > > > > Subject: Pirelli goes natural > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using > > > > > makeup or retouching. > > > > > > > > > > https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) > > > > > http://red4est.com/lrc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pirelli goes natural
I like it. I'm 67. On 12/21/2016 7:22 AM, Mark Stringer wrote: I say lets vote on it. Like or dislike but each vote must be accompanied by the voter's age. I like it...66 On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: Couldn’t disagree more. m On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pirelli goes natural
Well, there's still Snap-On Tools On 12/21/2016 2:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Ken Waller wrote: The calendars are instantly collectible works. By who? I've never seen them any place but in garages. I don't think I've ever seen a Pirelli calendar in the flesh. Over the years I've seen countless calendars of conventionally pretty girls holding tools in such a manner that it's obvious that nobody involved in the photo has even an inkling of a clue about car repair. Something I consider rather disappointing because I think women who know how to wrench are extra sexy. The Pirelli calendar has long been a "fine art" version of the pinup calendar emphasizing art rather than bimbotude. Perhaps they're venturing into something other than tires - snark, snark Like the poster I have for Dunlop motorcycle tires: If you've got the leather, we've got the rubber. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message ----- From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural I agree with Marco. The Pirelli calendar is a piece of marcom collateral that serves the dual function of promoting Pirelli (not necessarily their tires) as a company that supports the development of art and the humanities as well as provides a venue for photographers to exhibit their works. They have focused on fashion and nudes for most of their history, last year and this year mark an interesting departure as they reach into a broader domain of photographic imagery. The calendars are instantly collectible works. Frankly, I doubt that many "car people" are even interested. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408.431.4601 cell On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Ken Waller wrote: You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their tires, sell calendars or cater to older women. The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never seen/heard of the Pirelli calendar. -Original Message- From: Marco Alpert Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural Couldn’t disagree more. m On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Do they sell the calendars? I thought they were a promotional give-away item? On 12/21/2016 1:23 PM, Ken Waller wrote: You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their tires, sell calendars or cater to older women. The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never seen/heard of the Pirelli calendar. -Original Message- From: Marco Alpert Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural Couldn’t disagree more. m On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That paragraph beginning "So it gets critical acclaim..." is not what I wrote, but what I quoted. Somehow the quoting gets lost in the journey to or from the server. As I said, I quite like Lindbergh's style, and I like these pictures, but let's not get confused about their purpose. B > On 21 Dec 2016, at 20:38, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Yup. Except I think you are a little over the top in your criticism. > > It is an art piece and a collectible, a part of what Pirelli does to foster > the brand. Whether it appeals to you or not is a matter of personal decision. > Lots of people collect them, and collect books printed as collections of them > (see Amazon.com, search for Pirelli calendar). > > I've seen one in the flesh. Nicely done printing, good paper, etc. The person > who owned it had a bunch of interesting calendars, the Pirelli was one of > them. It's what she collected, and got a lot of entertainment out of. Nothing > wrong with that. > > "Pin-up girls" for the ordinary Joe (whoever that is)… passé since the 1950s. > I haven't seen such things in an actual motorcar or motorcycle shop since I > was old enough to go to such shops. That was fifty years ago… > > G > > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: >> >> The calendar is a marketing gimmick. If they had stuck to standard garage >> wall fare nobody would pay any attention at all. >> >> Several decades ago some smart ad man realised they could get an annual >> burst of cheap global publicity by confounding expectations. They do this by >> giving carte blanche to big name photographers. And it works. >> >> This stuff is not for hanging in garages or museums, it's for middle-brow >> collectors to show their rich friends. >> >> I happen to like Peter Lindbergh's style - I have one of his books - but >> he's just a talented fashion photographer. His photos are no more realistic >> depictions of 'real' women than are photos in Playboy - these women are all >> Hollywood stars (those I recognize, anyway) - his job is to sell an image of >> women that will make them go out and spend money on expensive trash. >> >> So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more joy >> is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make a >> stupid, and not particularly valid, post modern, point. >> >> Pirelli aren't making a point, they're running an annual ad campaign. They >> don't give a shit about your ordinary Joe, or about women's empowerment and >> body image, they just want lots of media time for their brand, and they get >> it. >> >> The "Calendar Girls" calendar did far more for women and for art than the >> Pirelli calendar ever did or ever will. >> >> B > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pirelli goes natural
Yup. Except I think you are a little over the top in your criticism. It is an art piece and a collectible, a part of what Pirelli does to foster the brand. Whether it appeals to you or not is a matter of personal decision. Lots of people collect them, and collect books printed as collections of them (see Amazon.com, search for Pirelli calendar). I've seen one in the flesh. Nicely done printing, good paper, etc. The person who owned it had a bunch of interesting calendars, the Pirelli was one of them. It's what she collected, and got a lot of entertainment out of. Nothing wrong with that. "Pin-up girls" for the ordinary Joe (whoever that is)… passé since the 1950s. I haven't seen such things in an actual motorcar or motorcycle shop since I was old enough to go to such shops. That was fifty years ago… G > On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote: > > The calendar is a marketing gimmick. If they had stuck to standard garage > wall fare nobody would pay any attention at all. > > Several decades ago some smart ad man realised they could get an annual burst > of cheap global publicity by confounding expectations. They do this by giving > carte blanche to big name photographers. And it works. > > This stuff is not for hanging in garages or museums, it's for middle-brow > collectors to show their rich friends. > > I happen to like Peter Lindbergh's style - I have one of his books - but he's > just a talented fashion photographer. His photos are no more realistic > depictions of 'real' women than are photos in Playboy - these women are all > Hollywood stars (those I recognize, anyway) - his job is to sell an image of > women that will make them go out and spend money on expensive trash. > > So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more joy > is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make a stupid, > and not particularly valid, post modern, point. > > Pirelli aren't making a point, they're running an annual ad campaign. They > don't give a shit about your ordinary Joe, or about women's empowerment and > body image, they just want lots of media time for their brand, and they get > it. > > The "Calendar Girls" calendar did far more for women and for art than the > Pirelli calendar ever did or ever will. > > B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Pirelli goes natural
The calendar is a marketing gimmick. If they had stuck to standard garage wall fare nobody would pay any attention at all. Several decades ago some smart ad man realised they could get an annual burst of cheap global publicity by confounding expectations. They do this by giving carte blanche to big name photographers. And it works. This stuff is not for hanging in garages or museums, it's for middle-brow collectors to show their rich friends. I happen to like Peter Lindbergh's style - I have one of his books - but he's just a talented fashion photographer. His photos are no more realistic depictions of 'real' women than are photos in Playboy - these women are all Hollywood stars (those I recognise, anyway) - his job is to sell an image of women that will make them go out and spend money on expensive trash. So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more joy is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make a stupid, and not particularly valid, post modern, point. Pirelli aren't making a point, they're running an annual ad campaign. They don't give a shit about your ordinary Joe, or about women's empowerment and body image, they just want lots of media time for their brand, and they get it. The "Calendar Girls" calendar did far more for women and for art than the Pirelli calendar ever did or ever will. B On 21 Dec 2016, at 13:49, P. J. Alling mailto:webstertwenty...@gmail.com>> wrote: Not really, they lost their way with last years calendar, now they're wandering around in an open field trying to cater to their new art constituency. Too bad it doesn't really exist. It's a pinup calendar, the women in it aren't supposed to be real, They're either a fantasy or idealized, depending on how charitable I want to be. It's not like the people who approve, of this "more realistic" calendar are actually going to hang one on their wall, and the guy, (and it is mostly guy's), who is going to hang one in their automobile repair bay are going to actually want this. So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more joy is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make a stupid, and not particularly valid, post modern, point. On 12/21/2016 12:45 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" mailto:l...@red4est.com>> Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com<mailto:l...@red4est.com> (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net<mailto:PDML@pdml.net> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ken Waller wrote: The calendars are instantly collectible works. By who? I've never seen them any place but in garages. I don't think I've ever seen a Pirelli calendar in the flesh. Over the years I've seen countless calendars of conventionally pretty girls holding tools in such a manner that it's obvious that nobody involved in the photo has even an inkling of a clue about car repair. Something I consider rather disappointing because I think women who know how to wrench are extra sexy. The Pirelli calendar has long been a "fine art" version of the pinup calendar emphasizing art rather than bimbotude. Perhaps they're venturing into something other than tires - snark, snark Like the poster I have for Dunlop motorcycle tires: If you've got the leather, we've got the rubber. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message ----- From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural I agree with Marco. The Pirelli calendar is a piece of marcom collateral that serves the dual function of promoting Pirelli (not necessarily their tires) as a company that supports the development of art and the humanities as well as provides a venue for photographers to exhibit their works. They have focused on fashion and nudes for most of their history, last year and this year mark an interesting departure as they reach into a broader domain of photographic imagery. The calendars are instantly collectible works. Frankly, I doubt that many "car people" are even interested. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408.431.4601 cell On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Ken Waller wrote: You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their tires, sell calendars or cater to older women. The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never seen/heard of the Pirelli calendar. -Original Message- From: Marco Alpert Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural Couldn’t disagree more. m On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LMAO. My thoughts exactly. On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > Are these the images? Really?? > > Paul via phone > >> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: >> >> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or >> retouching. >> >> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The calendars are instantly collectible works. By who? I've never seen them any place but in garages. Perhaps they're venturing into something other than tires - snark, snark Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Godfrey DiGiorgi" Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural I agree with Marco. The Pirelli calendar is a piece of marcom collateral that serves the dual function of promoting Pirelli (not necessarily their tires) as a company that supports the development of art and the humanities as well as provides a venue for photographers to exhibit their works. They have focused on fashion and nudes for most of their history, last year and this year mark an interesting departure as they reach into a broader domain of photographic imagery. The calendars are instantly collectible works. Frankly, I doubt that many "car people" are even interested. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408.431.4601 cell On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Ken Waller wrote: You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their tires, sell calendars or cater to older women. The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never seen/heard of the Pirelli calendar. -Original Message- From: Marco Alpert Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural Couldn’t disagree more. m On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message ----- From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree with Marco. The Pirelli calendar is a piece of marcom collateral that serves the dual function of promoting Pirelli (not necessarily their tires) as a company that supports the development of art and the humanities as well as provides a venue for photographers to exhibit their works. They have focused on fashion and nudes for most of their history, last year and this year mark an interesting departure as they reach into a broader domain of photographic imagery. The calendars are instantly collectible works. Frankly, I doubt that many "car people" are even interested. Godfrey -- Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408.431.4601 cell > On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Ken Waller wrote: > > You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their tires, > sell calendars or cater to older women. > > The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many > calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never seen/heard of > the Pirelli calendar. > > > -Original Message- >> From: Marco Alpert >> Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural >> >> Couldn’t disagree more. >> >> m >> >>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >>> >>> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. >>> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. >>> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one >>> of their new super sticky P-Zeros. >>> I think they've lost their direction with this edition. >>> >>> Kenneth Waller >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" >>> Subject: Pirelli goes natural >>> >>> >>>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or >>>> retouching. >>>> >>>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And their tires aren't as good as Michellin's- so there ! -Original Message- >From: "P. J. Alling" >Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural > >Not really, they lost their way with last years calendar, now they're >wandering around in an open field trying to cater to their new art >constituency. Too bad it doesn't really exist. > >It's a pinup calendar, the women in it aren't supposed to be real, >They're either a fantasy or idealized, depending on how charitable I >want to be. > >It's not like the people who approve, of this "more realistic" calendar >are actually going to hang one on their wall, and the guy, (and it is >mostly guy's), who is going to hang one in their automobile repair bay >are going to actually want this. > >So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more >joy is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make >a stupid, and not particularly valid, post modern, point. > > >On 12/21/2016 12:45 AM, Ken Waller wrote: >> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. >> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. >> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of >> one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. >> I think they've lost their direction with this edition. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >> >> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" >> Subject: Pirelli goes natural >> >> >>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup >>> or retouching. >>> >>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You have to ask yourself what are they trying to do Promote their tires, sell calendars or cater to older women. The photos are obviously well done but I bet they don't sell as many calendars as in years past - a lot of non car people have never seen/heard of the Pirelli calendar. -Original Message- >From: Marco Alpert >Subject: Re: Pirelli goes natural > >Couldn’t disagree more. > >m > >> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: >> >> Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. >> I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. >> Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of >> their new super sticky P-Zeros. >> I think they've lost their direction with this edition. >> >> Kenneth Waller >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >> >> - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" >> Subject: Pirelli goes natural >> >> >>> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or >>> retouching. >>> >>> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou >>> >>> -- >>> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I never got beyond the phrase "emotional nakedness." Too "artsy" for me. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Ken Waller wrote: > Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. > I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. > Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one > of their new super sticky P-Zeros. > I think they've lost their direction with this edition. > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" > Subject: Pirelli goes natural > > > Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or >> retouching. >> >> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pire >> lli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not really, they lost their way with last years calendar, now they're wandering around in an open field trying to cater to their new art constituency. Too bad it doesn't really exist. It's a pinup calendar, the women in it aren't supposed to be real, They're either a fantasy or idealized, depending on how charitable I want to be. It's not like the people who approve, of this "more realistic" calendar are actually going to hang one on their wall, and the guy, (and it is mostly guy's), who is going to hang one in their automobile repair bay are going to actually want this. So it gets critical acclaim from the usual suspects, and, a little more joy is sucked out of the life of some ordinary Joe, so Pirelli can make a stupid, and not particularly valid, post modern, point. On 12/21/2016 12:45 AM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I say lets vote on it. Like or dislike but each vote must be accompanied by the voter's age. I like it...66 On 12/21/2016 1:28 AM, Marco Alpert wrote: Couldn’t disagree more. m On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Couldn’t disagree more. m > On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Ken Waller wrote: > > Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. > I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. > Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of > their new super sticky P-Zeros. > I think they've lost their direction with this edition. > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" > Subject: Pirelli goes natural > > >> Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or >> retouching. >> >> https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou >> >> -- >> Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think they've finally found it. > On 21 December 2016 at 05:45 Ken Waller wrote: > > > Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. > I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. > Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of > their new super sticky P-Zeros. > I think they've lost their direction with this edition. > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > - Original Message - > From: "Larry Colen" > Subject: Pirelli goes natural > > > > Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or > > retouching. > > > > https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry but the new calendar just doesn't cut it for me. I much prefer the earlier editions of the calendar. Its like Pirelli is asking me to like a bald worn out tire instead of one of their new super sticky P-Zeros. I think they've lost their direction with this edition. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Larry Colen" Subject: Pirelli goes natural Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Paul Stenquist wrote: Are these the images? Really?? Seem to be http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/11/29/2017-pirelli-calendar_n_13302934.html Paul via phone On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Are these the images? Really?? Paul via phone > On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or > retouching. > > https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou > > -- > Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just following in the footsteps of last years calendar http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/12/2016-pirelli-calendar-amy-schumer-annie-leibovitz On 12/20/2016 9:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Peter Lindbergh shot this years Pirelli Calendar without using makeup or retouching. https://www.fastcocreate.com/3066063/quick-hit/the-2017-pirelli-calendar-with-nicole-kidman-and-julianne-moore-is-raw-and-unretou -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (postbox on min4est) http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
