RE: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
I meant when I was not working for someone. Then of course I cull through and show only the better images. There has been one time or two when they were present when I first saw the shots. I was uncomfortable showing the 'losers' along with the 'winners'. Though, both times, they were extremely happy with the whole shoot. As for 'my' shots, yes, I have only to please myself. I view them as reminders whenever I end up in a rocking chair on the front porch... Cesar Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:02 PM Ah... The true advantage of being an amateur photographer. The only one you have to please is yourself. "You like it? Here let me gift you with it." "You don't like it? Go away and bother someone else." (GRIN) -- Cesar Matamoros II wrote: > Peter, > > I usually do not show my images to anyone. Though there are friends who do > occasionally view them. The photo clerks see them more than others do. And > there is one former lurker here who has seen most of my work. I also see > all that she shoots with her Pentax gear... > > That being said, I usually do not cull my shots. They see them all and I > think them to be junk snapshots. I am amazed at the amount that see me as a > very good photographer. > > I still need to take some time and start going back and composing a > portfolio of my 'better' shots in different themes and see just where I sit > at that point. > > I never throw out an image - except for errant shots that are out of focus, > or where the camera has malfunctioned. > > I have at least four images that have been enlarged by other people and some > that I have been told I need to put up on my walls. Currently within view > of me on my walls are shots from Uxmal, Mexico; New Orleans, Louisiana; > Nothern coast of Honduras, a b&w shot of the captain's table on a ship, and > at sunset taken from a helicopter over the Albermarle Sound in North > Carolina... > > Cesar > Panama City, Florida > > -Original Message- > From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:27 PM > > Possibly discarded is a bad word to use since I don't think that I've > actually thrown away any slide or negative > that I've ever made. > I don't show others the obvious failures. In fact I seldom show what I > consider bad composition. Due to that > I've managed to gain a reputation among those who know me of being a > very good photographer, I know better > of course... > > Cesar Matamoros II wrote: > > >>I must disagree to some extent. >> >>In terms of the showing of images, yes we can be our worst critics. But >>that is more along the lines of getting rid of everything since we find >>fault in just about everything of ours (generally speaking). >> >>When it comes to family/friends photos though, nothing should ever be > > thrown > >>out. I have come across images shot when I was a kid that though >>technically poor still are the only images I have of certain people. That >>alone is reason enough to keep them. >> >>But I do not see why the bad must be discarded. I have read often enough >>here of people going back to shots and seeing something that makes it worth >>keeping that was not noted upon first review... >> >>Cesar >>Panama City, Florida >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:35 PM >> >>That's just the point Shel, I understand this all too well. I seldom >>make photographs of >>close friends/family etc.,since I cannot emotionally divorce myself, the >>shots all look terrible >>after the fact. A good photographer learns to discard the bad and keep >>the good. That's >>the most difficult thing to do. But it must be done. >> >>Shel Belinkoff wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Totally disagree ... most photographers are not good editors >>>of their own work. Often they have too much emotion >>>involved in their photographs. >>> >>>shel >>> >>>"Peter J. Alling" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Be your own editor. Shel Belinkoff wrote: >Hi Frank ... I guess that's a version of F8 and be there >;-)) > >But what might the second rule be? > > > -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
>In a message dated 3/3/2004 4:22:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know, however, what you and Mike mean, and again, I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment, just the order one would put it in. >cheers, frank Okay, frank, if you want RULES... 1. Always have a camera with you (well, as much as possible). 2. Also always have film (more rolls than you think you'll need). 3. And always have an extra set of batteries (or a charger or something). Marnie aka Doe Seems so obvious, but...
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
Cesar Matamoros II wrote: > I usually do not show my images to anyone. Doesn't that defeat the purpose, or the main purpose, of making photographs? > I am amazed at the amount that see me as a > very good photographer. > Your chances of becoming a good photographer may be substantially diminished unless you can get some good critiques of your work ... and I don't mean comments like "Gee, that's nice," or "I don't like it." Of course, you may be just fine and happy taking photos for yourself ... that's certainly OK on many levels. But if you want to be good, to know you're good, then the photos must be seen. And the occasional PUG is not the venue. shel
RE: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
Peter, I usually do not show my images to anyone. Though there are friends who do occasionally view them. The photo clerks see them more than others do. And there is one former lurker here who has seen most of my work. I also see all that she shoots with her Pentax gear... That being said, I usually do not cull my shots. They see them all and I think them to be junk snapshots. I am amazed at the amount that see me as a very good photographer. I still need to take some time and start going back and composing a portfolio of my 'better' shots in different themes and see just where I sit at that point. I never throw out an image - except for errant shots that are out of focus, or where the camera has malfunctioned. I have at least four images that have been enlarged by other people and some that I have been told I need to put up on my walls. Currently within view of me on my walls are shots from Uxmal, Mexico; New Orleans, Louisiana; Nothern coast of Honduras, a b&w shot of the captain's table on a ship, and at sunset taken from a helicopter over the Albermarle Sound in North Carolina... Cesar Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:27 PM Possibly discarded is a bad word to use since I don't think that I've actually thrown away any slide or negative that I've ever made. I don't show others the obvious failures. In fact I seldom show what I consider bad composition. Due to that I've managed to gain a reputation among those who know me of being a very good photographer, I know better of course... Cesar Matamoros II wrote: >I must disagree to some extent. > >In terms of the showing of images, yes we can be our worst critics. But >that is more along the lines of getting rid of everything since we find >fault in just about everything of ours (generally speaking). > >When it comes to family/friends photos though, nothing should ever be thrown >out. I have come across images shot when I was a kid that though >technically poor still are the only images I have of certain people. That >alone is reason enough to keep them. > >But I do not see why the bad must be discarded. I have read often enough >here of people going back to shots and seeing something that makes it worth >keeping that was not noted upon first review... > >Cesar >Panama City, Florida > >-Original Message- >From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:35 PM > >That's just the point Shel, I understand this all too well. I seldom >make photographs of >close friends/family etc.,since I cannot emotionally divorce myself, the >shots all look terrible >after the fact. A good photographer learns to discard the bad and keep >the good. That's >the most difficult thing to do. But it must be done. > >Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > > >>Totally disagree ... most photographers are not good editors >>of their own work. Often they have too much emotion >>involved in their photographs. >> >>shel >> >>"Peter J. Alling" wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>Be your own editor. >>> >>>Shel Belinkoff wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Frank ... I guess that's a version of F8 and be there ;-)) But what might the second rule be?
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
Boris, I can't disagree with either you or Mike. Caring with all your heart will make the difference between a good photo and a great one. Or between a mediocre photo and a good one. But, all the caring in the world will not produce anything but a memory in your brain, if you don't have a camera with you to capture the moment. That's the only point I was trying to make. No Camera, No Piccies. I suppose that one can extrapolate a bit, and say that "caring with all your heart" will give one the drive to improve technique, learn how to utilize the equipment to the best of one's ability, and, yes, to give one the impetous to have a camera at the ready more often than not. But, at some point we get a bit remote, don't we? The reality is, that sometimes, a bad photographer takes a great shot. It may be dumb luck, but it happens. That isn't about caring. It's about being there with a camera. I know, however, what you and Mike mean, and again, I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment, just the order one would put it in. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 21:28:05 +0200 Hi! Frank, since Mike Johnston does not seem to come here any more and because his response to similar question some time ago I liked the most, I'd think I repeat it in my words of course. (Man, this Leo Tolstoy's style - one sentence - three lines keeps haunting me...) Anyway, Mike's advise was to care with your heart about your photography... Makes sense? Boris _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
Hi! Frank, since Mike Johnston does not seem to come here any more and because his response to similar question some time ago I liked the most, I'd think I repeat it in my words of course. (Man, this Leo Tolstoy's style - one sentence - three lines keeps haunting me...) Anyway, Mike's advise was to care with your heart about your photography... Makes sense? Boris
RE: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
I must disagree to some extent. In terms of the showing of images, yes we can be our worst critics. But that is more along the lines of getting rid of everything since we find fault in just about everything of ours (generally speaking). When it comes to family/friends photos though, nothing should ever be thrown out. I have come across images shot when I was a kid that though technically poor still are the only images I have of certain people. That alone is reason enough to keep them. But I do not see why the bad must be discarded. I have read often enough here of people going back to shots and seeing something that makes it worth keeping that was not noted upon first review... Cesar Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:35 PM That's just the point Shel, I understand this all too well. I seldom make photographs of close friends/family etc.,since I cannot emotionally divorce myself, the shots all look terrible after the fact. A good photographer learns to discard the bad and keep the good. That's the most difficult thing to do. But it must be done. Shel Belinkoff wrote: >Totally disagree ... most photographers are not good editors >of their own work. Often they have too much emotion >involved in their photographs. > >shel > >"Peter J. Alling" wrote: > > >>Be your own editor. >> >>Shel Belinkoff wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Frank ... I guess that's a version of F8 and be there >>>;-)) >>> >>>But what might the second rule be?
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
Well, Tom, It's such an obvious thing, I figured ~someone~ here must have said it in response to previous polls. Figures it was you... cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 01:49:35 -0500 You guys sure are slow, when I said, "Have the damn camera with you" in response to that thread, everybody thought I was being silly. Now you are all agreeing with me. Oh well, at least you are learning. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
frank theriault wrote: > A couple of months ago, someone asked what our first and best piece of > advice would be for tyros. I think I said, "shoot lots". I would like to > change it to, "have a camera with you". I'm not sure if anyone else said > this (if you did, my apologies - I didn't notice). > > Any other thoughts on what the number one rule should be? About six months ago, or a year ago, or whenever, someone did a PDML poll asking what the best photography tip was. (Not the one you are referring to that was more recent.) I don't believe any particular tip won hands down -- not sure, I didn't count. But always have a camera with you came close to being number one. So did shoot lots. Get closer was very popular too. And so was the one I remember suggesting, but it was also suggested by lots of people, worded in various ways. It essentially was "take your time" or "slow down." That would still be the one I go with the most. Marnie aka Doe :-) Being too impatient a person, sometimes. Well, often.
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
You guys sure are slow, when I said, "Have the damn camera with you" in response to that thread, everybody thought I was being silly. Now you are all agreeing with me. Oh well, at least you are learning. Of course there is something there for me to think about. 20 years ago an MX lived hanging about my neck. It was always there, now I only pick up a camera when I am planning on taking some pictures. I remember driving by Fairlane Mall in Dearborn MI about 6am one morning and thare were 25-30 hot air balloons being inflated for a race. I stopped and shot about 3 rolls of B&W. For years afterwards folks would see the photos and ask, where did you find all those balloons? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: A couple of months ago, someone asked what our first and best piece of advice would be for tyros. I think I said, "shoot lots". I would like to change it to, "have a camera with you". I'm not sure if anyone else said this (if you did, my apologies - I didn't notice). Any other thoughts on what the number one rule should be? I agree with you. The first rule is "have a camera with you." shel asked: But what might the second rule be? "And know how to use it." ERN -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
That's just the point Shel, I understand this all too well. I seldom make photographs of close friends/family etc.,since I cannot emotionally divorce myself, the shots all look terrible after the fact. A good photographer learns to discard the bad and keep the good. That's the most difficult thing to do. But it must be done. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Totally disagree ... most photographers are not good editors of their own work. Often they have too much emotion involved in their photographs. shel "Peter J. Alling" wrote: Be your own editor. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Frank ... I guess that's a version of F8 and be there ;-)) But what might the second rule be?
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
> frank theriault wrote: > > > A couple of months ago, someone asked what our first and best piece of > > advice would be for tyros. I think I said, "shoot lots". I would like to > > change it to, "have a camera with you". I'm not sure if anyone else said > > this (if you did, my apologies - I didn't notice). > > > > Any other thoughts on what the number one rule should be? > I agree with you. The first rule is "have a camera with you." shel asked: > But what might the second rule be? "And know how to use it." ERN
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
Totally disagree ... most photographers are not good editors of their own work. Often they have too much emotion involved in their photographs. shel "Peter J. Alling" wrote: > > Be your own editor. > > Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > >Hi Frank ... I guess that's a version of F8 and be there > >;-)) > > > >But what might the second rule be? > >
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
Be your own editor. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Frank ... I guess that's a version of F8 and be there ;-)) But what might the second rule be? shel frank theriault wrote: A couple of months ago, someone asked what our first and best piece of advice would be for tyros. I think I said, "shoot lots". I would like to change it to, "have a camera with you". I'm not sure if anyone else said this (if you did, my apologies - I didn't notice). Any other thoughts on what the number one rule should be?
Re: #1 Rule in Photography-was: PAW: Above the clouds
Hi Frank ... I guess that's a version of F8 and be there ;-)) But what might the second rule be? shel frank theriault wrote: > A couple of months ago, someone asked what our first and best piece of > advice would be for tyros. I think I said, "shoot lots". I would like to > change it to, "have a camera with you". I'm not sure if anyone else said > this (if you did, my apologies - I didn't notice). > > Any other thoughts on what the number one rule should be?
