Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-16 Thread Camdir

In a message dated 15/05/02 20:11:21 GMT Daylight Time, Cotty writes:

 Nice tale re the personal touch with the Mamiya. Nice one Peter, too, for 
 being so hospitable - - what was his cut? Just kidding :-) 

Dave very nicely offered to unload  reload the van. I think he probably got 
to see more dealers' tables than I did.and at setting up time, 
too.

Kind regards from the beach

Peter
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-16 Thread David . Mann

Peter wrote:

 Dave very nicely offered to unload  reload the van.

And don't forget that lens I spotted in the queue, the one that will be
polluting your shop floor for the next several months until you can find
someone who wants it :)  I can't believe I was shopping in the dealers
queue even before the door opened.

 I think he probably got to see more dealers' tables than I
did.
 and at setting up time, too.

I'm sure I did but boy were my feet sore on the train going home.

- Dave.
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-15 Thread David . Mann

Cotty wrote:

 Sounds like you had a good time at Photographica. Out of interest, how
 did you manage to hawk your RB67? I presume Peter allowed you a corner of
 his stand? Or did you wander around wearing a gaberdeen mac with a large
 bulge and whispering, Oi, Bruce, wanna buy a *real* nice camera, mate?

Peter very kindly gave me some shelf space in behind that big wooden tripod
with the mystery pancake lens (clue: think diameter, not thickness).

It wasn't until near the end of the day that someone showed serious
interest, it was a young guy who was making his first jump into medium
format.  He was looking pretty enabled but he wanted to take more of a look
around before splashing out so much cash.  I was getting pretty anxious by
that stage because the thought of carrying that three ton bag of kit back
to Bognor wasn't very pleasing.  I'd already spent the Saturday afternoon
lugging it around Brighton.

I didn't expect to see him again because if he was after RB stuff there was
some really nice gear on some of the other tables; nice pro-SD models with
mint green-C lenses (my beast is the original model, non-C glass; real
vintage stuff).  The best-looking MF gear in the whole show.  Of course if
the lenses look mint they probably haven't been used so they've probably
got sticky shutters anyway.  He came back to me because the people at the
other tables were just dealers who had never actually used the system
before.  He wasn't really familiar with the system so having me show him
how it all fits together and works was a real bonus.

When he asked me why I'm selling it I had to hold off from saying I saw
the true light of the Brotherhood, the way of the Pentax 6x7 in the
enchanted voice.  The room was too brightly lit and I wasn't wearing the
Pentax robe with its screw-on metal hood and slip-on metal cap (available
in black or silver Limited finish).

I should have dropped it on the Nikon table, whoops those F5s are a little
fragile aren't they... but that wouldn't have impressed the nice girl
behind the table (the only reason I bothered going past it... quite a few
times).

- Dave, who really is behaving himself :)
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-15 Thread Cotty

Hi Dave,

Nice tale re the personal touch with the Mamiya. Nice one Peter, too, for 
being so hospitable - - what was his cut? Just kidding :-)

The best times to hang around those shows are surely when they're setting 
up (that's when the dealers stalk), and the first half hour on opening 
(that's when the stalkers deal...) - and then again right at the bitter 
end - your situation being a prime example. Although I imagine the 
dealers don't mind carting it all back again because it's their 
livelihood, bless 'em. I think they're more likely to accept a slightly 
less bulging wad of cash at close than at lunch. I'm guessing.

Sounds like a great time. Glad you sold your gear.

I should have dropped it on the Nikon table, whoops those F5s are a little
fragile aren't they... but that wouldn't have impressed the nice girl
behind the table (the only reason I bothered going past it... quite a few
times).

- - Dave, who really is behaving himself :)

It can't last!


;-)

Bealzebub.

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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-14 Thread David . Mann

Cotty wrote:

 I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - what
 would be good for landscapes on MF? I now have a polariser attached.

I'm quite fond of E100SW and before I came over to the UK I was starting to
get into Provia 100F a little.  Velvia is not my cup of tea as the colours
are very strong and it is pretty high in contrast.  I would recommend
taking care with the polariser.  I don't use them often but they can be
useful at times.  They make a good ND filter if you're desperate :)

I rarely shoot print film in medium format, but Reala is definitely a
wonderful film for MF and I'm not surprised about your good impression of
it.  I have a lovely 30x40 framed print of the Endeavour replica hanging
on the lounge wall at home (living room for Americans).  It was taken off a
6x7 Reala neg.

After trying out a couple of rolls of Agfa Portrait 160 in 35mm last year
I'm keen to try it in 6x7.  Believe it or not I quite liked it as a
landscaping film.  But I've been known to do weird things, like
deliberately underexposing Superia 800 by two stops just for the mega-grain
effect.  Once you hit about -2.5 stops the machine won't automatically
print it :)

Cheers,

- Dave.
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-13 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Friday, May 10, 2002, at 06:57  PM, Jeff wrote:

 I don't care much about the green color cast in the RSX.

Eek!  That's not your RSX, that's a warning sign at your lab: either the 
colour developer time was too short or the temperature too low, or the 
colour developer is close to exhaustion, or if it was dip  dunk, either 
the bubblers aren't firing right and the chemistry isn't being agitated 
enough.

Have a chat with them.  They may not know that a problem is there -- RSX 
is pretty sensitive to those kinds of things.  Bring the film along to 
show them, especially anything with an open patch of neutral colour 
where you can see the shift.

-Aaron
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RE: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-12 Thread William D. Sawyer

We may never make into the woods.

 -Original Message-
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist
 Sent: May 11, 2002 8:10 PM
  
 If the weather looks good, I'll bring it.
 Paul
 
 William D. Sawyer wrote:
  
  Hey Paul,
  
  How about bringing it to the Michigan PDML outing?
  
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   Sent: May 11, 2002 2:27 PM
  
  BTW, I bought that Chevy in LA and brought it back here to 
 Motor City
   where it belongs :-). We do the Woodward Dream Cruise every August. (I
   wear my Elvis wig and gold sunglasses.) I had a 55 two door 
 post car in
   the sixties and spent years looking for another 55. The 
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   my holy grail.
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Re: Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-12 Thread Jeff

 BTW I've just mastered loading a Paterson multi-
 format spiral with a
 practice 120 roll. I could see where i was
 goning wrong: the leading edge
 needed help getting past the steel balls as the
 front curl wanted to go
 under the balls and not over them.

That sounds like something obscene. It couldn't be the beer. Maybe those
cabbage filled squares.

Jeff.
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RE: Chevys and Dream Cars (was Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...)

2002-05-12 Thread John Coyle

Hey Cotty, I had one of those once!
In Australia, the Charger was thought of as pretty much a rev-head's 
car, but my mother loved hers (mind you, the last time she drove one of 
my cars, I watched cruising at 130 in a 100 zone with some trepidation, 
so she's no little old grey-haired lady!).  Later on, I bought one 
 with the 351 engine while another car was repaired after hitting a 
Brahman bull at just under 100k - not recommended.  Very basic car, 
quite light for it's time, so had great performance.

Incidentally, over the week-end I had the chance to drive a new Holden 
Monaro: that is quite a car!  4.4 litres of well-tuned power, great 
seats and good brakes.  This is going to be the dream car for a lot of 
guys who care about driving.

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


On Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:31 PM, Cotty [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
 PS- when I was growing up in the south Bay Area, Ca, the car I had my

 heart set on was a '72 Dodge Charger. SNIP
 Cotty

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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-11 Thread Cotty

   I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - what
  would be good for landscapes on MF?
 
Ektachrome 100S produces excellent images with saturated but believable
color. And it scans very well.

Thanks Paul. In 1981 I remember using Ektachrome 64 on an RB67 and being 
pretty impressed with it, but did it give a bluie cast or was I dreaming? 
Is it still available? Or has it been superseded by the 100?

Cotty

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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-11 Thread Paul Stenquist

I'm not sure if Ektachrome 64 is still available. But you're right: it
had a distinctive blue cast. Ektachrome 100S is totally different. And
if you want a slight warm cast, Ektachrome 100WS provides a bit of that.
It makes it look like everything was shot an hour before sunset, which
can be good if everything isn't being shot an hour before sunset:-). But
I like all of the new Ektachrome 100 variants. The 100VS provides high
saturation, but not as pronounced (dare I say garish) as Velvia. Like
Velvia, it's more difficult to scan than the 100S. Here's a scan from
Ektachrome 100VS:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pnstenquist/_uimages/55chevy.jpg

Cotty wrote:
 
I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - what
   would be good for landscapes on MF?
 
 Ektachrome 100S produces excellent images with saturated but believable
 color. And it scans very well.
 
 Thanks Paul. In 1981 I remember using Ektachrome 64 on an RB67 and being
 pretty impressed with it, but did it give a bluie cast or was I dreaming?
 Is it still available? Or has it been superseded by the 100?
 
 Cotty
 
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-11 Thread Paul Stenquist

Hi Cotty,
It was a 6x7 with the 105/2.4 lens. Just a quicky. I couldn't park there
for very long, so I took a meter reading down the block with an incident
meter. Parked the car, hopped out, and shot. The yellow curbs are
reflecting in the grille. I don't like that. I'm going to go back and do
it again when the theater marquis lights are on at twilight. I'll bring
a monopod and an assistant with a white reflector. I'll have him lay the
reflector over the foreground yellow curb. I can always take it out in PhotoShop.
Paul

Cotty wrote:
 
 I'm not sure if Ektachrome 64 is still available. But you're right: it
 had a distinctive blue cast. Ektachrome 100S is totally different. And
 if you want a slight warm cast, Ektachrome 100WS provides a bit of that.
 It makes it look like everything was shot an hour before sunset, which
 can be good if everything isn't being shot an hour before sunset:-). But
 I like all of the new Ektachrome 100 variants. The 100VS provides high
 saturation, but not as pronounced (dare I say garish) as Velvia. Like
 Velvia, it's more difficult to scan than the 100S. Here's a scan from
 Ektachrome 100VS:
 http://home.earthlink.net/~pnstenquist/_uimages/55chevy.jpg
 
 WOW. Cracking colour! Nice shot. Was that on MF or 35mil? What I need is
 a Kelloggs variety mini-pack with RSX, Velvia, Ektachrome etc in it. Boy
 this is gonna be fun.
 
 BTW I've just mastered loading a Paterson multi-format spiral with a
 practice 120 roll. I could see where i was goning wrong: the leading edge
 needed help getting past the steel balls as the front curl wanted to go
 under the balls and not over them. I've now overcome this and am happy,
 having loaded/unloaded three times in a row, eyes closed, faultlessly.
 Also causing it to jam on purpose and starting again, eyes closed. It's
 fine. I've got some Pan-F in the freezer - Ansel Adams move over!
 
 Cheers,
 
 Cotty
 
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-11 Thread Paul Stenquist

Thanks Shel,
I picked up a roll of EPP. I'll give it a try. In my former life back in
the late seventies, when I was shooting a lot of transparency film in my
Mamiya TLR, I used EPS, which was an ISO 200 film. I was quite fond of
that. I suspect EPP is a similar formulation. The woman in the store
seemed to think it was more contrasty than Ektachrome 100, and slightly
less saturated with more pronounced grain. That might be a nice
combination for a lot of the things I shoot. 
   BTW, I bought that Chevy in LA and brought it back here to Motor City
where it belongs :-). We do the Woodward Dream Cruise every August. (I
wear my Elvis wig and gold sunglasses.) I had a 55 two door post car in
the sixties and spent years looking for another 55. The convertible was
my holy grail.
Paul

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 
 Hi Paul ... Hope this catches you before you leave.  Here's the skinny
 on EPP:
 
 http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/e113/e113.shtml
 
 More about Chevy' later ... I used to have a '55 BelAir 2dr HT w/V8
 
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
  Thanks, that's my baby (the Chevy).
  I have not tried Ektachrome EPP. What is it? I'm going to the camera
  store to buy some BW paper in a few minutes. I'll have to see if they
  have it.
  Paul
 
  Shel Belinkoff wrote:
  
   Have you tried Ektachrome EPP?
  
   Nice Chevy ...
  
   Paul Stenquist wrote:
   
I'm not sure if Ektachrome 64 is still available. But you're right: it
had a distinctive blue cast. Ektachrome 100S is totally different. And
if you want a slight warm cast, Ektachrome 100WS provides a bit of that.
It makes it look like everything was shot an hour before sunset, which
can be good if everything isn't being shot an hour before sunset:-). But
I like all of the new Ektachrome 100 variants. The 100VS provides high
saturation, but not as pronounced (dare I say garish) as Velvia. Like
Velvia, it's more difficult to scan than the 100S. Here's a scan from
Ektachrome 100VS:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pnstenquist/_uimages/55chevy.jpg
  
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RE: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-11 Thread William D. Sawyer

Hey Paul,

How about bringing it to the Michigan PDML outing?

 -Original Message-
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Stenquist
 Sent: May 11, 2002 2:27 PM
  
BTW, I bought that Chevy in LA and brought it back here to Motor City
 where it belongs :-). We do the Woodward Dream Cruise every August. (I
 wear my Elvis wig and gold sunglasses.) I had a 55 two door post car in
 the sixties and spent years looking for another 55. The convertible was
 my holy grail.
 Paul
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

maximum aperture 
selected (f/22 in this case)

OOPS - of course this should read 'minimum' aperture. But you know what I 
meant...

Cotty

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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Cheers Bruce. I agree with your sentiments exactly. Especially the 
'insurance' shots...

Best,

Cotty

You had me chuckling as you related your experience.  I have had a
similar experience with MF.  There certainly does seem to be a mindset
difference when you use the bigger camera.  I enjoy it more and yes,
more of my shots are well executed on MF.  35mm can be too easy to use
and thus it is easy to waste shots or try for shots that you know deep
down won't turn out that well.

I have found that the shorter rolls tend to also make you think just a
bit more.  Fewer insurance shots and just a bit more care to take
the proper shot in the first place.

I think that it is a good idea to use the right tool for the right
situation.  I, too, think there are situations where 35mm is the right
tool over MF (fast action and long lenses come to mind), but after
looking at those big negs and subsequent blowups, you have to admit,
there is a large difference in the quality.

Good luck as you build up your kit.  I have found that I don't
need/want quite as many lenses (all relative you know!) for the big
camera.  The negative gives you a little more working room.


Bruce Dayton


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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Glad everything worked out Cotty.I know what
you mean about setting up to shot a scene.I am
only using a lowly Y-M with fixed lens,but i approach
my MF shooting a bit different.Seem to take more
time and think the shot out more.I just got back
a roll of Agfa rsx slide film,i also did a wow.

Cheers Dave. I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - what 
would be good for landscapes on MF? I now have a polariser attached.

Cotty



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Re: Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread David Brooks

Not sure Cotty.I have only tried the one roll of Agfa
200,but bought 2 rolls of the 100 speed.I shot about
8-9 of dead trees on an old road allowance
and a pond near the farm which i shoot every few
weeks during the different seasons.Even viewing
by eye with trans. in a sleeve holding them up to
my window i can see the bark detail.Colour is very
vivid.Even the SO,who is hard to please(picture wise)
liked them very much.
I think i'll be taking ponds with treeed edges for 
most of them.

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Glad everything worked out Cotty.I know what
you mean about setting up to shot a scene.I am
only using a lowly Y-M with fixed lens,but i approach
my MF shooting a bit different.Seem to take more
time and think the shot out more.I just got back
a roll of Agfa rsx slide film,i also did a wow.

Cheers Dave. I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - 
what 
would be good for landscapes on MF? I now have a polariser attached.

Cotty



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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Cotty

Sorry,thats what i mean the Agfa RXS II.
I agree with Bruce on this one Cotty.Very
nice colours

Two votes. Any more? :-)

Before it was discontinued, I loved Fujichrome Astia.  Now I shoot a lot 
of Agfachrome RSX.

Aha! Three votes!

Welcome to the land o' big negs, Cotty!  I know that you're still saving 
up for a P67, that you only got this Bronica cuz you're impatient, so 
we'll hold a seat at the table for you in the Brotherhood.

;)

Do I have to bring you some...shrubbery?

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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Jeff

I just got back my rolls of Agfa RSX and Provia 400 from the lab.
I don't care much about the green color cast in the RSX. The Provia seems
like a nicer film.

Jeff
P.S. I'll have them with me tomorrow

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 Sorry,thats what i mean the Agfa RXS II.
 I agree with Bruce on this one Cotty.Very
 nice colours

 Two votes. Any more? :-)

 Before it was discontinued, I loved Fujichrome Astia.  Now I shoot a lot
 of Agfachrome RSX.

 Aha! Three votes!

 Welcome to the land o' big negs, Cotty!  I know that you're still saving
 up for a P67, that you only got this Bronica cuz you're impatient, so
 we'll hold a seat at the table for you in the Brotherhood.
 
 ;)

 Do I have to bring you some...shrubbery?

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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist

Bruce Dayton wrote:
 
 Cotty,
 
 You had me chuckling as you related your experience.  I have had a
 similar experience with MF.  There certainly does seem to be a mindset
 difference when you use the bigger camera.  I enjoy it more and yes,
 more of my shots are well executed on MF.  

I found this to be true as well. Ten shots per roll results in more
thought per shot. It's basic math.
Paul
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Re: Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread David Brooks

Not a big one;a nice one

Dave:)
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Re: Medium Format - I can see clearly now...

2002-05-10 Thread Paul Stenquist

 Cotty wrote:
 
   I have yet to put a roll of transparency film through - what
  would be good for landscapes on MF?
 
Ektachrome 100S produces excellent images with saturated but believable
color. And it scans very well.
Paul
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