Re: My eBay Pentax garage sale
>But what is someone to do who has, say, a 135/1.8 PKA*, two of which fetched >$1800 and $1,810 in mid 2001? I don't think any of us at PDML could come up >with that kind of money without risking divorce. Should the seller ask $1,200 >and cheat himself of $600? Or should he say, "If anyone on the list wants it, >it's yours for $1,800"? > > I know that Pal grappled with this in recent months, but I can't recall how >it turned out. > I sold it for $1400 including shipping to Japan. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My eBay Pentax garage sale
- Original Message - From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Maybe just indicating you are selling something and giving us your eBay ID > so we can see what you are listing would be enough. > Kent Gittings Well, if you are going to do that, I prefer a link so I don't have to go hunting for the stuff IMONSHO, It is a courtesy to offer your gear to the list first. I purchased a camera from a list member that way. I feel safer buying from list-members. There's a sense of reputation here. I would be disappointed if a friend of mine (youse guys are my friends, right?:) put something on auction that he knew I wanted and then sent me the link hoping I'd bid on it. There's no reason to sell anything to "us" for less than you think is fair. If you have the time, offer your items here. Post a price that you'd be happy to sell for. If you don't get any takers, go somewhere else. No problem. Cory Waters - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale
If he offered them here first we wouldn't be missing them either and it would just be a transaction between friends. As it is it is sort of a case where he is either using the knowledgeable PDML members to drive the price up for non-PDML auction buyers or using the non-members to drive the price up to us his supposed friends. Here is an extreme but true example. The current Sports Car Club of America has about 50K members. In the late 1940's when it was started as a club to promote the ownership and sport of competing with real sports cars they had a rule that seems a little snobby today. To wit the membership rule was that if you owned a sports car and decided to sell it, if you didn't offer it to the club members first it was grounds to have your membership revoked. And they actually did things like that. I seem to remember that a few years ago we adopted some rule where you had to put the words "for sale" in the subject line so that if people wanted to filter those messages out they could. Did we drop that rule or something? Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Frits J. Wüthrich Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 6:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale I fail to see what the problem is to promote ones auctions on PDML. At least it gives the PDML members awareness of the items that otherwise might have been missed. Frits Wüthrich frank theriault wrote: > I really don't see what the big deal (no pun intended) is. I > tend to agree with > the spirit of your post, Kent, but if someone wants to give is a > list of their > current eBay auctions, I would guess that Fridays is as good a > day as any. If > there's anything of interest, I may look at the auction, but > probably won't bid, > since there aren't very many real bargains on eBay these days anyway. > > I have to admit that I would hold someone who offers items to > list members only > at a reasonable price in higher regard than someone who simply > lumps us all in > with eBayers at large - you know Pentaxian community and all - > but I certainly > don't think of such actions as sanctionable, and certainly not > worth banishment. > > With up to 200 and sometimes more postings per day, I can easily > delete a few on > Fridays that don't pique my interest for whatever reason. > > My two cents worth... > > regards, and Happy New Years to all, > frank > > Kent Gittings wrote: > > > I hate to say it but I think we should use the same rules for > posting things > > for sale here that we've gone to on the Minolta users list. > That is the only > > acceptable posting of a for sale item is BEFORE you list it on > some auction > > site. If you are going to be a member of a group then there is > no reason for > > you to be allowed to be a member of that group if you are not > going to give > > the group members first crack at something. This is a case of > schilling your > > own items to your friends as far as I'm concerned. Sort of like the case > > where you and your next door neighbor both collect Steuben glass and he > > comes over and says "listen I just put a couple of pieces from > my collection > > I know that you liked down at Fred's Auction house. So why > don't you come > > down and bid on them if you are interested." > > I thought we forbade this kind of thing after discussing it > last year or so. > > This is by far the most cluttered list I belong to. Yes I sell things on > > eBay also. However I always post any Pentax items before I list > them in case > > anybody wants them. On the Minolta list you get one warning and > then you get > > permanently kicked off. I don't mind somebody finding a listing for some > > rare piece of Pentax gear that THEY AREN'T SELLING THEMSELVES! Otherwise > > they are just conning us into bidding their items up as far as I am > > concerned. > > Kent Gittings - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale
I've had success selling to the list about 1/3-1/2 the time. And it saved me the hassle of using eBay. But if you want to just sell it on an auction site without telling us that's fine. Maybe just indicating you are selling something and giving us your eBay ID so we can see what you are listing would be enough. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Studdert Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 7:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale On 31 Dec 2001 at 13:28, Kent Gittings wrote: > No he's just hoping some poor schlep on the list will help bid his item up. If > he was concerned about his "friends" on the list he would offer them here first. > At least offering them before he puts them at auction. That's what I do. > Reputable people on this list do that. I just don't put him in that category > now. Kent Gittings >From my observations the difference between selling on a community list and eBay is that it seems easier for the buyer to make a decision and more likely that they will stick with it when the items are presented for auction on eBay. So I won't be offering items for sale direct to the list any longer, I have found through several attempts that it just does'nt work smoothly for out-of- towners. I hope that this doesn't also make me one of the "categorized" when you find my stuff on eBay with out having listed it here for a month at a discount and without a sale? Cheers, Rob Studdert (eBay ID: distudio) PO Box 701 HURSTVILLE BC NSW 1481 AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please check my current eBay auctions: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/ebay/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale
In that case you have a point but to be specific the guy should offer it to us at a firm price. If you factor in the cost of the eBay listing and other incidentals it could be sold to us for a little less and the seller could still get everything he might get from an auction listing. If we can't afford it then whatever he does is fine. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: My eBay Pentax garage sale Two weeks ago I posted a Yashica rangefinder on CameraQuest's rangefinder discussion list. I had paid $263 on EBay; I tried to sell it to fellow list members for $185. When I had no takers after 1 week, I posted a classified on a more widely read site for $225 with whose readers I felt no connection. It sold yesterday and I shipped it today. But for a $40 shortfall I would have gladly let one of my RF list buddies have it. But what is someone to do who has, say, a 135/1.8 PKA*, two of which fetched $1800 and $1,810 in mid 2001? I don't think any of us at PDML could come up with that kind of money without risking divorce. Should the seller ask $1,200 and cheat himself of $600? Or should he say, "If anyone on the list wants it, it's yours for $1,800"? I know that Pal grappled with this in recent months, but I can't recall how it turned out. Paul Stregevsky mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale
Actually the guys I hate the worst are the ones who blab on the list about some juicy item they found listed. Especially if I'm sitting on that item trying to get it low. :^) Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Juan J. Buhler Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale Kent Gittings writes: > I hate to say it but I think we should use the same rules for posting things > for sale here that we've gone to on the Minolta users list. That is the only > acceptable posting of a for sale item is BEFORE you list it on some auction > site. If you are going to be a member of a group then there is no reason for > you to be allowed to be a member of that group if you are not going to give > the group members first crack at something. Those posts don't bother me too much, although we might probably keep that kind of things for on-sale Fridays. The couple of times I've posted an ebay item that I was selling here, I promised a small discount on the final price to list members. Consider doing that if you're going to tell us about your auctions... Of course, we all know that real PDMLers only buy on ebay when it is a bargain, like a K24/3.5 for $50 or a black MX with bad foam for $67. So since PDMLers like to buy low and sell high, it's unlikely that they'll sell to each other anyway :-) j = -- Juan J. Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My eBay Pentax garage sale
> But what is someone to do who has, say, a 135/1.8 PKA*, two of which fetched $1800 and $1,810 in mid 2001? I don't think any of us at PDML could come up with that kind of money without risking divorce. Should the seller ask $1,200 and cheat himself of $600? Or should he say, "If anyone on the list wants it, it's yours for $1,800"? > Paul Stregevsky Paul, If you have the time, you list it here for the price you think is fair. If you get no takers, sell it elsewhere. No problem. Cory Waters hoping to find that 100-300 or 80-320 for $50 on Ebay... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My eBay Pentax garage sale
Hi, I really don't see what the big deal (no pun intended) is. I tend to agree with the spirit of your post, Kent, but if someone wants to give is a list of their current eBay auctions, I would guess that Fridays is as good a day as any. If there's anything of interest, I may look at the auction, but probably won't bid, since there aren't very many real bargains on eBay these days anyway. I have to admit that I would hold someone who offers items to list members only at a reasonable price in higher regard than someone who simply lumps us all in with eBayers at large - you know Pentaxian community and all - but I certainly don't think of such actions as sanctionable, and certainly not worth banishment. With up to 200 and sometimes more postings per day, I can easily delete a few on Fridays that don't pique my interest for whatever reason. My two cents worth... regards, and Happy New Years to all, frank Kent Gittings wrote: > I hate to say it but I think we should use the same rules for posting things > for sale here that we've gone to on the Minolta users list. That is the only > acceptable posting of a for sale item is BEFORE you list it on some auction > site. If you are going to be a member of a group then there is no reason for > you to be allowed to be a member of that group if you are not going to give > the group members first crack at something. This is a case of schilling your > own items to your friends as far as I'm concerned. Sort of like the case > where you and your next door neighbor both collect Steuben glass and he > comes over and says "listen I just put a couple of pieces from my collection > I know that you liked down at Fred's Auction house. So why don't you come > down and bid on them if you are interested." > I thought we forbade this kind of thing after discussing it last year or so. > This is by far the most cluttered list I belong to. Yes I sell things on > eBay also. However I always post any Pentax items before I list them in case > anybody wants them. On the Minolta list you get one warning and then you get > permanently kicked off. I don't mind somebody finding a listing for some > rare piece of Pentax gear that THEY AREN'T SELLING THEMSELVES! Otherwise > they are just conning us into bidding their items up as far as I am > concerned. > Kent Gittings > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale
Kent Gittings writes: > I hate to say it but I think we should use the same rules for posting things > for sale here that we've gone to on the Minolta users list. That is the only > acceptable posting of a for sale item is BEFORE you list it on some auction > site. If you are going to be a member of a group then there is no reason for > you to be allowed to be a member of that group if you are not going to give > the group members first crack at something. Those posts don't bother me too much, although we might probably keep that kind of things for on-sale Fridays. The couple of times I've posted an ebay item that I was selling here, I promised a small discount on the final price to list members. Consider doing that if you're going to tell us about your auctions... Of course, we all know that real PDMLers only buy on ebay when it is a bargain, like a K24/3.5 for $50 or a black MX with bad foam for $67. So since PDMLers like to buy low and sell high, it's unlikely that they'll sell to each other anyway :-) j = -- Juan J. Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My eBay Pentax garage sale
Two weeks ago I posted a Yashica rangefinder on CameraQuest's rangefinder discussion list. I had paid $263 on EBay; I tried to sell it to fellow list members for $185. When I had no takers after 1 week, I posted a classified on a more widely read site for $225 with whose readers I felt no connection. It sold yesterday and I shipped it today. But for a $40 shortfall I would have gladly let one of my RF list buddies have it. But what is someone to do who has, say, a 135/1.8 PKA*, two of which fetched $1800 and $1,810 in mid 2001? I don't think any of us at PDML could come up with that kind of money without risking divorce. Should the seller ask $1,200 and cheat himself of $600? Or should he say, "If anyone on the list wants it, it's yours for $1,800"? I know that Pal grappled with this in recent months, but I can't recall how it turned out. Paul Stregevsky mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My eBay Pentax garage sale
Yeah, it's not really shilling. It's just trying to get some folks to bid and drive the price up. Don't we all like to sell to the highest bidder? Len --- - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: My eBay Pentax garage sale > I tend to agree with Kent on this one, if, as has been said many times, > this list is something of a community or a neighborhood comprised of > people with similar interests. > > To offer an item to your friends first - at a price that's acceptable to > you - seems like the thing to do, but that's just my POV. However, I > won't denigrate someone for not following that route, but I probably > won't bid on the item, either. I don't consider it "shilling". - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My eBay Pentax garage sale
I tend to agree with Kent on this one, if, as has been said many times, this list is something of a community or a neighborhood comprised of people with similar interests. To offer an item to your friends first - at a price that's acceptable to you - seems like the thing to do, but that's just my POV. However, I won't denigrate someone for not following that route, but I probably won't bid on the item, either. I don't consider it "shilling". Kent Gittings wrote: > > No he's just hoping some poor schlep on the list will help bid his item up. > If he was concerned about his "friends" on the list he would offer them here > first. At least offering them before he puts them at auction. That's what I > do. Reputable people on this list do that. I just don't put him in that > category now. Paul Stregevsky wrote: > I don't understand why you consider it > shilling when one publicizes that he > has posted an item at auction. It's > shilling only if he enlists someone to > bid up the price with no intention of > being the final buyer. That's not the > typical PDML poster's intention at all; > he just wants to give his fellow > list members a fair crack at owning the > item without selling himself short. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale
No he's just hoping some poor schlep on the list will help bid his item up. If he was concerned about his "friends" on the list he would offer them here first. At least offering them before he puts them at auction. That's what I do. Reputable people on this list do that. I just don't put him in that category now. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale Kent, I don't understand why you consider it shilling when one publicizes that he has posted an item at auction. It's shilling only if he enlists someone to bid up the price with no intention of being the final buyer. That's not the typical PDML poster's intention at all; he just wants to give his fellow list members a fair crack at owning the item without selling himself short. Paul Stregevsky mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale
No you can view them all you want. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert Soames Wetmore Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 12:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale >On the Minolta list you get one warning and then you get >permanently kicked off." [Kent Gittings] Sounds like a friendly place! Is that the same list that doesn't let you view the archives unless you're a member, or another one? RSW _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale
>On the Minolta list you get one warning and then you get >permanently kicked off." [Kent Gittings] Sounds like a friendly place! Is that the same list that doesn't let you view the archives unless you're a member, or another one? RSW _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: My eBay Pentax garage sale
Kent, I don't understand why you consider it shilling when one publicizes that he has posted an item at auction. It's shilling only if he enlists someone to bid up the price with no intention of being the final buyer. That's not the typical PDML poster's intention at all; he just wants to give his fellow list members a fair crack at owning the item without selling himself short. Paul Stregevsky mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
