Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
There was also the matter of testing it to be sure nothing broke when a new operating system was added to the mix. I remember when Win XP was new, my employer was a Win NT shop and the edict came down that under no condition was Win XP to be connected to the network. jm -Original Message- From: Steve Sharpe Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 9:37 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's At 9:04 AM -0500 3/9/13, John Mullan wrote: Computers sold into the "Enterprise" or business world are available with Win7 Pro installed because big business tends to be late adopters of new operating system technology. Look at places like http://www.bestbuybusiness.com which is business facing side of Best Buy. Things like the HP Elitebook and Probook are available. Recalling my days at MBNA (remember them?), they would not upgrade until MS offered the upgrade for free... -- Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca • http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
At 9:04 AM -0500 3/9/13, John Mullan wrote: Computers sold into the "Enterprise" or business world are available with Win7 Pro installed because big business tends to be late adopters of new operating system technology. Look at places like http://www.bestbuybusiness.com which is business facing side of Best Buy. Things like the HP Elitebook and Probook are available. Recalling my days at MBNA (remember them?), they would not upgrade until MS offered the upgrade for free... -- Steve Sharpe d...@eastlink.ca http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
Computers sold into the "Enterprise" or business world are available with Win7 Pro installed because big business tends to be late adopters of new operating system technology. Look at places like http://www.bestbuybusiness.com which is business facing side of Best Buy. Things like the HP Elitebook and Probook are available. jm -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:32 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's Microsoft never fails. My partner is looking for a new PC. It is impossible to find one without Windows 8. Take it o9r leave it. Microsoft forces the PC manufacturers to sell new computers only with Windows 8, and most PC users lack the time and information to do anything byt accept what they are offered and suffer through it. Windows 8 will be extremely profitable for Microsoft. They have the industry muscle to ensure that. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Some Thursday schadenfreude: Numbers are in and Windows 8 is looking like an epic fail. But we here at the PDML test center knew that already. :) http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-712104/ -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
On Mar 7, 2013, at 21:23 , David Mann wrote: > On Mar 8, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> Windows 8 is extremely profitable for Apple. > > Fixed that for you ;) > > Cheers, > Dave Fixed THAT for you ;) Joseph McAllister Pentaxian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
On Mar 8, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > Windows 8 will be extremely profitable for Apple. Fixed that for you ;) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
It may be a problem buying from Dell, HP, etc, but my experience so far with buying parts & building my own computers is the parts supplier provides backwards compatible drivers for at least a couple of Windoze iterations. When I built my new computer last year all of the hardware manufacturers supplied drivers compatible back at least to XP. Some supported OS's as far back as Windoze2000 or NT4.0, mostly devices that were available back then. It's probably not really a problem with Dell, HP et al. From: Bruce Walker I was going to suggest that, but I wonder if there will be an issue with newer machines needing drivers and kernel code that is only provided by Win8? Dell et al may have been making OS support assumptions in their latest designs. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:45 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I'm pretty sure you can still get Windoze7 from Newegg, Tiger Direct, etc. so you can build your own. From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Microsoft never fails. My partner is looking for a new PC. It is impossible to find one without Windows 8. Take it o9r leave it. Microsoft forces the PC manufacturers to sell new computers only with Windows 8, and most PC users lack the time and information to do anything byt accept what they are offered and suffer through it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" We were previously advised that "Home Premium" Windows 7 does not work well in an office environment, and apparently is not fully compatible with the network we are using. In any event, both our consultant and Dell are showing us only Windows 8 machines. Dan Matyola I'd tell a "consultant" that if he wants to keep my business he better be offering machines that meet my requirements, or I'll take my business elsewhere. If you don't want Windoze8, tell him so. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
On 8 March 2013 02:20, Bruce Walker wrote: > Some Thursday schadenfreude: > > Numbers are in and Windows 8 is looking like an epic fail. But we here > at the PDML test center knew that already. :) > > http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-712104/ No surprises, even their brute force attack (elimination of W7 options) doesn't seem to be working. About time. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
I was going to suggest that, but I wonder if there will be an issue with newer machines needing drivers and kernel code that is only provided by Win8? Dell et al may have been making OS support assumptions in their latest designs. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:45 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > I'm pretty sure you can still get Windoze7 from Newegg, Tiger Direct, etc. > so you can build your own. > > From: "Daniel J. Matyola" >> >> Microsoft never fails. >> >> >> My partner is looking for a new PC. It is impossible to find one >> without Windows 8. Take it o9r leave it. Microsoft forces the PC >> manufacturers to sell new computers only with Windows 8, and most PC >> users lack the time and information to do anything byt accept what >> they are offered and suffer through it. >> >> Windows 8 will be extremely profitable for Microsoft. They have the >> industry muscle to ensure that. >> Dan Matyola >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Bruce Walker >> wrote: >>> >>> Some Thursday schadenfreude: >>> >>> Numbers are in and Windows 8 is looking like an epic fail. But we here >>> at the PDML test center knew that already. :) >>> >>> http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-712104/ > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
I'm pretty sure you can still get Windoze7 from Newegg, Tiger Direct, etc. so you can build your own. From: "Daniel J. Matyola" Microsoft never fails. My partner is looking for a new PC. It is impossible to find one without Windows 8. Take it o9r leave it. Microsoft forces the PC manufacturers to sell new computers only with Windows 8, and most PC users lack the time and information to do anything byt accept what they are offered and suffer through it. Windows 8 will be extremely profitable for Microsoft. They have the industry muscle to ensure that. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Some Thursday schadenfreude: Numbers are in and Windows 8 is looking like an epic fail. But we here at the PDML test center knew that already. :) http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-712104/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
From: Bruce Walker Some Thursday schadenfreude: Numbers are in and Windows 8 is looking like an epic fail. But we here at the PDML test center knew that already. :) http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-712104/ I don't know why he's soft-peddling it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
It's still possible to buy Windows 7 machines, but it's a bit more difficult. It depends on just what you want to buy. The latest Ultrabooks, for example, are very difficult to find with anything except Windows 8. That includes Dell's XPS 13. The current model, with 1920x1080 resolution, only seems to come that way. But I just bought (last week) the 1366x768 version (which is good enough for most purposes on a 13" screen) with Windows 7 Professional. Buying an end-of-line model, rather than the latest-and-greatest, can be a lot easier on the wallet, too. (As noted, Windows 7 Professional is what you need if you want to use this machine in a full-on business environment. I'm not sure what the restictions are with the "Home" versions; I know that with Windows XP the Home versions were limited in the number of machines they were able to see on a network.) I just used Dell as an example; other product lines are similar. The story for notebooks is much the same; while most manufacturers have Windows 7 machines available, but you have to dig around a bit to find them, and you might not be able to get the aboslutely latest hardware. With a desktop it's a lot more likely you'll still be able to buy one with Windows 7 on it, and there should be less hardware limitations. On Thu, Mar 07, 2013 at 11:58:34AM -0500, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > We were previously advised that "Home Premium" Windows 7 does not work > well in an office environment, and apparently is not fully compatible > with the network we are using. In any event, both our consultant and > Dell are showing us only Windows 8 machines. > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> > >> My partner is looking for a new PC. It is impossible to find one > >> without Windows 8. Take it o9r leave it. Microsoft forces the PC > >> manufacturers to sell new computers only with Windows 8, and most PC > >> users lack the time and information to do anything byt accept what > >> they are offered and suffer through it. > > > > This seems to be factually incorrect: > > > > http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=svo27p1&model_id=vostro-270&c=us&l=en&s=soho&cs=ussoho1 > > > > Not to mention the option of getting a Linux box > > -- > > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 > > http://rule6.info/ > > <*> <*> <*> > > Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
On 07/03/2013 11:47 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Thanks. Others have recommended the shell. I would do that in a New York Minute, but my partner is less inclined to modify what he is sold. I will have to work on him. I am sticking with Windows 7 on my work desktop, although I prefer to use my Mac machines when I can. Dan Matyola The nice thing about classic shell is that it isn't a modification, per se, it is just a program that runs in the Windows environment, and can be removed as easily as it is installed. Does he install any programs at all? Technically, installing Microsoft Word, or a third party browser such as Firefox would be a modification by your partner's criteria. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
Thanks. Others have recommended the shell. I would do that in a New York Minute, but my partner is less inclined to modify what he is sold. I will have to work on him. I am sticking with Windows 7 on my work desktop, although I prefer to use my Mac machines when I can. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Bill wrote: > On 07/03/2013 10:58 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> >> We were previously advised that "Home Premium" Windows 7 does not work >> well in an office environment, and apparently is not fully compatible >> with the network we are using. In any event, both our consultant and >> Dell are showing us only Windows 8 machines. > > > The "Home" versions of Windows don't like to be fully networked. They can be > set up for file sharing easily enough, but that seems to be about it. If you > want full networking, you need to go with the premium or pro editions. > Apparently, Microsoft isn't making this easy, but if you go with Win8 > Professional (whatever the top end version is), you can "downgrade" to > Windows 7 if you have a legit copy that OS available on a disc. > Unless you are well and truly into computer geekery, get the top end Win 8 > OS, it should play nice on your network, and then put a classic shell on it. > http://www.classicshell.net > > It works, and it takes all of the Windows 8 pain away, while at the same > time leaving in some of the nice features that Windows 8 inherited from > Window 7. > > bill > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
On 07/03/2013 10:58 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: We were previously advised that "Home Premium" Windows 7 does not work well in an office environment, and apparently is not fully compatible with the network we are using. In any event, both our consultant and Dell are showing us only Windows 8 machines. The "Home" versions of Windows don't like to be fully networked. They can be set up for file sharing easily enough, but that seems to be about it. If you want full networking, you need to go with the premium or pro editions. Apparently, Microsoft isn't making this easy, but if you go with Win8 Professional (whatever the top end version is), you can "downgrade" to Windows 7 if you have a legit copy that OS available on a disc. Unless you are well and truly into computer geekery, get the top end Win 8 OS, it should play nice on your network, and then put a classic shell on it. http://www.classicshell.net It works, and it takes all of the Windows 8 pain away, while at the same time leaving in some of the nice features that Windows 8 inherited from Window 7. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
We were previously advised that "Home Premium" Windows 7 does not work well in an office environment, and apparently is not fully compatible with the network we are using. In any event, both our consultant and Dell are showing us only Windows 8 machines. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Thu, Mar 07, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: >> >> My partner is looking for a new PC. It is impossible to find one >> without Windows 8. Take it o9r leave it. Microsoft forces the PC >> manufacturers to sell new computers only with Windows 8, and most PC >> users lack the time and information to do anything byt accept what >> they are offered and suffer through it. > > This seems to be factually incorrect: > > http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=svo27p1&model_id=vostro-270&c=us&l=en&s=soho&cs=ussoho1 > > Not to mention the option of getting a Linux box > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
On 07/03/2013 10:21 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: My partner is looking for a new PC. It is impossible to find one without Windows 8. Take it o9r leave it. Microsoft forces the PC manufacturers to sell new computers only with Windows 8, and most PC users lack the time and information to do anything byt accept what they are offered and suffer through it. This seems to be factually incorrect: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=svo27p1&model_id=vostro-270&c=us&l=en&s=soho&cs=ussoho1 Not to mention the option of getting a Linux box When I was looking for a laptop for my wife, to replace the one that I bought in 2004, I was unable to get a Win7 box from the company I prefer to do business with (NCIX.com) I ended up getting a Win8 machine and putting a skin on it so that it emulates WinXP. It seems to work, and neither my wife no I are geeky enough to care about what's going on inside the thing. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
On Thu, Mar 07, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > > My partner is looking for a new PC. It is impossible to find one > without Windows 8. Take it o9r leave it. Microsoft forces the PC > manufacturers to sell new computers only with Windows 8, and most PC > users lack the time and information to do anything byt accept what > they are offered and suffer through it. This seems to be factually incorrect: http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=svo27p1&model_id=vostro-270&c=us&l=en&s=soho&cs=ussoho1 Not to mention the option of getting a Linux box -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Win8 adoption rate is below Vista's
Microsoft never fails. My partner is looking for a new PC. It is impossible to find one without Windows 8. Take it o9r leave it. Microsoft forces the PC manufacturers to sell new computers only with Windows 8, and most PC users lack the time and information to do anything byt accept what they are offered and suffer through it. Windows 8 will be extremely profitable for Microsoft. They have the industry muscle to ensure that. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: > Some Thursday schadenfreude: > > Numbers are in and Windows 8 is looking like an epic fail. But we here > at the PDML test center knew that already. :) > > http://www.zdnet.com/five-reasons-why-windows-8-has-failed-712104/ > > -- > -bmw > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
