Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-07-08 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013, Larry Colen wrote:
>
> You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html

Because I know Laura, I prefer this version:

http://edp.org/monkey.htm
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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-30 Thread Christine Aguila

On Jun 29, 2013, at 11:31 AM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> From: Christine Aguila
>> I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  :-)  Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/0//000/00/1/2000/500/12563/12563.strip.gif



lol.  indeed.  Cheers, Christine



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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-29 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bruce Walker

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

From: Charles Robinson


On Jun 28, 2013, at 16:09 , John Sessoms  wrote:


Believe it or not, I actually have a usenet account. It's the only
way I've found to get access to recent episodes of a certain
venerable BBC children's program without having to wait for the
50th anniversary for them to come out on DVD.


No Bittorrent options?


None that I could get to work.


Have you tried Transmission?

http://www.transmissionbt.com/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/trqtw/  Windows

Best client I've used by far. Actually helps you debug firewall issues.


I'll keep it in mind if I ever decide I want to try bittorrent again.

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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-29 Thread Bruce Walker
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:05 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Charles Robinson
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 16:09 , John Sessoms  wrote:
>>>
>>> Believe it or not, I actually have a usenet account. It's the only
>>> way I've found to get access to recent episodes of a certain
>>> venerable BBC children's program without having to wait for the
>>> 50th anniversary for them to come out on DVD.
>>
>> No Bittorrent options?
>
> None that I could get to work.

Have you tried Transmission?

http://www.transmissionbt.com/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/trqtw/  Windows

Best client I've used by far. Actually helps you debug firewall issues.

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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-29 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:31:52PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
> From: Christine Aguila
> >I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  :-)  Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/0//000/00/1/2000/500/12563/12563.strip.gif

I think she was bragging, not confused.


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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-29 Thread John Sessoms

From: Christine Aguila

I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  :-)  Cheers, Christine



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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-29 Thread John Sessoms

From: Charles Robinson

On Jun 28, 2013, at 16:09 , John Sessoms  wrote:

From: Larry Colen

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:

Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds
more like something that a pig would have not a cow...


I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html

BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.


Believe it or not, I actually have a usenet account. It's the only
way I've found to get access to recent episodes of a certain
venerable BBC children's program without having to wait for the
50th anniversary for them to come out on DVD.


No Bittorrent options?


None that I could get to work.

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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-29 Thread Christine Aguila
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.  :-)  Cheers, Christine 



On Jun 28, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> 
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Stan Halpin  wrote:
>> 
>>> P.J. - you are are revealed as a deprived youngster! No paper tape?!?
>>> After a one-semester exposure to programming an IBM 1486 (IIRC) Accounting 
>>> Machine with a big honking 15lb board that was pulled out one end so that 
>>> jumper connections could be made to instruct the machine to tabulate, 
>>> multiply etc., I mostly used punch cards. But I did have one year with a 
>>> GE-teletype system that used paper tape. And of course the Commodore C-64 
>>> used cassette tape. Then came floppy discs. I thought I had died and gone 
>>> to heaven when I started using 3 1/4 discs! Thank you Steve Jobs!
>> 
>> 
>> You mean, thank you Steve Wozniak. Jobs was just in the room when it happen
> 
> Uh, when it happened.
> 
> 
>>> At one point, one of the guys in our computer lab (a draftee FWIW, a 
>>> Radar-type person) had written an OS for our CDC 3300 that allowed 
>>> fore-ground/back-ground dual processing. He modified our Fortran compiler 
>>> so that it would properly interact with his OS. I wrote Fortran code to 
>>> manage the I/O & data capture to/from terminals that were used by subjects 
>>> in my experiments. To debug my programs, I had to interpret the core dump 
>>> hex code to find which registers were in what state at the time of the 
>>> crash. Fun times! 
>>> 
>>> stan
>>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:28 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> ...I don't think I ever used paper tape,...
>>>> Actually I used to subscribe to USENET newsgroups at the first company I 
>>>> worked for that had a direct internet connection, (they also had their own 
>>>> trunk line from the East Coast to California, you could trace email paths 
>>>> from my cube in Connecticut to friends at various Universities on the East 
>>>> Coast, from our office server it would go to our server in California 
>>>> almost instantaneously, then spent the next couple of hours to a day or so 
>>>> wending it's way back to the East Coast through various servers.  I don't 
>>>> think I ever used paper tape, and never saw a punch card after graduate 
>>>> school.  Though I did work with 75 baud communications, you could read the 
>>>> octal on a protocol analyzer in real time.  It's a skill I'm glad I've 
>>>> lost.
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/28/2013 3:02 PM, Gerrit Visser wrote:
>>>>> Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper tape
>>>>> punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gerrit
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:43 PM
>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>>> Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>>>>> Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
>>>>>> What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds
>>>>>> more like something that a pig would have not a cow...
>>>>> I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
>>>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the
>>>>> definition:
>>>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
>>>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>>>>> The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
>>>>>>> We don't need no stinking manuals!
>>>>>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM,

Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> 
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Stan Halpin  wrote:
> 
>> P.J. - you are are revealed as a deprived youngster! No paper tape?!?
>> After a one-semester exposure to programming an IBM 1486 (IIRC) Accounting 
>> Machine with a big honking 15lb board that was pulled out one end so that 
>> jumper connections could be made to instruct the machine to tabulate, 
>> multiply etc., I mostly used punch cards. But I did have one year with a 
>> GE-teletype system that used paper tape. And of course the Commodore C-64 
>> used cassette tape. Then came floppy discs. I thought I had died and gone to 
>> heaven when I started using 3 1/4 discs! Thank you Steve Jobs!
> 
> 
> You mean, thank you Steve Wozniak. Jobs was just in the room when it happen
>> 

Uh, when it happened.


>> At one point, one of the guys in our computer lab (a draftee FWIW, a 
>> Radar-type person) had written an OS for our CDC 3300 that allowed 
>> fore-ground/back-ground dual processing. He modified our Fortran compiler so 
>> that it would properly interact with his OS. I wrote Fortran code to manage 
>> the I/O & data capture to/from terminals that were used by subjects in my 
>> experiments. To debug my programs, I had to interpret the core dump hex code 
>> to find which registers were in what state at the time of the crash. Fun 
>> times! 
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:28 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
>> 
>>>>> ...I don't think I ever used paper tape,...
>>> Actually I used to subscribe to USENET newsgroups at the first company I 
>>> worked for that had a direct internet connection, (they also had their own 
>>> trunk line from the East Coast to California, you could trace email paths 
>>> from my cube in Connecticut to friends at various Universities on the East 
>>> Coast, from our office server it would go to our server in California 
>>> almost instantaneously, then spent the next couple of hours to a day or so 
>>> wending it's way back to the East Coast through various servers.  I don't 
>>> think I ever used paper tape, and never saw a punch card after graduate 
>>> school.  Though I did work with 75 baud communications, you could read the 
>>> octal on a protocol analyzer in real time.  It's a skill I'm glad I've lost.
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/2013 3:02 PM, Gerrit Visser wrote:
>>>> Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper tape
>>>> punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories....
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Gerrit
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:43 PM
>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>>> Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>>>> Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
>>>>> What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds
>>>>> more like something that a pig would have not a cow...
>>>> I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
>>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html
>>>> 
>>>> BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.
>>>> 
>>>> Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the
>>>> definition:
>>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html
>>>> 
>>>> You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
>>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>>>> The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
>>>>>> We don't need no stinking manuals!
>>>>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>>>>> I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with
>>>>>>> my cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped
>>>>>>> this pic of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned
>>>> out pretty nice:
>>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/
>>>>>>> 
>>&

Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Jun 28, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Stan Halpin  wrote:

> P.J. - you are are revealed as a deprived youngster! No paper tape?!?
> After a one-semester exposure to programming an IBM 1486 (IIRC) Accounting 
> Machine with a big honking 15lb board that was pulled out one end so that 
> jumper connections could be made to instruct the machine to tabulate, 
> multiply etc., I mostly used punch cards. But I did have one year with a 
> GE-teletype system that used paper tape. And of course the Commodore C-64 
> used cassette tape. Then came floppy discs. I thought I had died and gone to 
> heaven when I started using 3 1/4 discs! Thank you Steve Jobs!


You mean, thank you Steve Wozniak. Jobs was just in the room when it happen
> 
> At one point, one of the guys in our computer lab (a draftee FWIW, a 
> Radar-type person) had written an OS for our CDC 3300 that allowed 
> fore-ground/back-ground dual processing. He modified our Fortran compiler so 
> that it would properly interact with his OS. I wrote Fortran code to manage 
> the I/O & data capture to/from terminals that were used by subjects in my 
> experiments. To debug my programs, I had to interpret the core dump hex code 
> to find which registers were in what state at the time of the crash. Fun 
> times! 
> 
> stan
> 
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:28 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
> 
>>>> ...I don't think I ever used paper tape,...
>> Actually I used to subscribe to USENET newsgroups at the first company I 
>> worked for that had a direct internet connection, (they also had their own 
>> trunk line from the East Coast to California, you could trace email paths 
>> from my cube in Connecticut to friends at various Universities on the East 
>> Coast, from our office server it would go to our server in California almost 
>> instantaneously, then spent the next couple of hours to a day or so wending 
>> it's way back to the East Coast through various servers.  I don't think I 
>> ever used paper tape, and never saw a punch card after graduate school.  
>> Though I did work with 75 baud communications, you could read the octal on a 
>> protocol analyzer in real time.  It's a skill I'm glad I've lost.
>> 
>> On 6/28/2013 3:02 PM, Gerrit Visser wrote:
>>> Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper tape
>>> punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories
>>> 
>>> Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)
>>> 
>>> Gerrit
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
>>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:43 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>>> Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
>>>> What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds
>>>> more like something that a pig would have not a cow...
>>> I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html
>>> 
>>> BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.
>>> 
>>> Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the
>>> definition:
>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html
>>> 
>>> You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
>>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html
>>> 
>>>> On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>>> The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
>>>>> We don't need no stinking manuals!
>>>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>>>> I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with
>>>>>> my cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped
>>>>>> this pic of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned
>>> out pretty nice:
>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com
>>> http://red4est.com/lrc
>>>>>> 
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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Stan Halpin
P.J. - you are are revealed as a deprived youngster! No paper tape?!?
After a one-semester exposure to programming an IBM 1486 (IIRC) Accounting 
Machine with a big honking 15lb board that was pulled out one end so that 
jumper connections could be made to instruct the machine to tabulate, multiply 
etc., I mostly used punch cards. But I did have one year with a GE-teletype 
system that used paper tape. And of course the Commodore C-64 used cassette 
tape. Then came floppy discs. I thought I had died and gone to heaven when I 
started using 3 1/4 discs! Thank you Steve Jobs!

At one point, one of the guys in our computer lab (a draftee FWIW, a Radar-type 
person) had written an OS for our CDC 3300 that allowed fore-ground/back-ground 
dual processing. He modified our Fortran compiler so that it would properly 
interact with his OS. I wrote Fortran code to manage the I/O & data capture 
to/from terminals that were used by subjects in my experiments. To debug my 
programs, I had to interpret the core dump hex code to find which registers 
were in what state at the time of the crash. Fun times! 

stan

On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:28 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

>>> ...I don't think I ever used paper tape,...
> Actually I used to subscribe to USENET newsgroups at the first company I 
> worked for that had a direct internet connection, (they also had their own 
> trunk line from the East Coast to California, you could trace email paths 
> from my cube in Connecticut to friends at various Universities on the East 
> Coast, from our office server it would go to our server in California almost 
> instantaneously, then spent the next couple of hours to a day or so wending 
> it's way back to the East Coast through various servers.  I don't think I 
> ever used paper tape, and never saw a punch card after graduate school.  
> Though I did work with 75 baud communications, you could read the octal on a 
> protocol analyzer in real time.  It's a skill I'm glad I've lost.
> 
> On 6/28/2013 3:02 PM, Gerrit Visser wrote:
>> Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper tape
>> punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories
>> 
>> Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)
>> 
>> Gerrit
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:43 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>> Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
>>> What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds
>>> more like something that a pig would have not a cow...
>> I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html
>> 
>> BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.
>> 
>> Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the
>> definition:
>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html
>> 
>> You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html
>> 
>>> On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>> The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
>>>> We don't need no stinking manuals!
>>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>>> I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with
>>>>> my cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped
>>>>> this pic of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned
>> out pretty nice:
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Larry Colen  l...@red4est.com
>> http://red4est.com/lrc
>>>>> 
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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Charles Robinson
On Jun 28, 2013, at 16:09 , John Sessoms  wrote:

> From: Larry Colen
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>> Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
>>> What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds
>>> more like something that a pig would have not a cow...
>> 
>> I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html
>> 
>> BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.
> 
> Believe it or not, I actually have a usenet account. It's the only way I've 
> found to get access to recent episodes of a certain venerable BBC children's 
> program without having to wait for the 50th anniversary for them to come out 
> on DVD.
> 

No Bittorrent options?

 -Charles

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RE: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread John Sessoms

From: "Gerrit Visser"

Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper tape
punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories

Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)

Gerrit


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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread John Sessoms

From: Larry Colen

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:

Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds
more like something that a pig would have not a cow...


I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html

BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.


Believe it or not, I actually have a usenet account. It's the only way 
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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread P.J. Alling
Actually I used to subscribe to USENET newsgroups at the first company I 
worked for that had a direct internet connection, (they also had their 
own trunk line from the East Coast to California, you could trace email 
paths from my cube in Connecticut to friends at various Universities on 
the East Coast, from our office server it would go to our server in 
California almost instantaneously, then spent the next couple of hours 
to a day or so wending it's way back to the East Coast through various 
servers.  I don't think I ever used paper tape, and never saw a punch 
card after graduate school.  Though I did work with 75 baud 
communications, you could read the octal on a protocol analyzer in real 
time.  It's a skill I'm glad I've lost.


On 6/28/2013 3:02 PM, Gerrit Visser wrote:

Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper tape
punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories

Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)

Gerrit

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Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:

Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds
more like something that a pig would have not a cow...

I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html

BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.

Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the
definition:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html

You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html


On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
We don't need no stinking manuals!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with
my cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped
this pic of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned

out pretty nice:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/

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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Jun 28, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 03:02:25PM -0400, Gerrit Visser wrote:
>> Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper tape
>> punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories
> 
> You had 300 baud modems?  We had to implement RFC 1149:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt
> 
> What is truly awesome is that some people actually did implement RFC 1149:
> http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
> 

I was never much of a computer geek, but I did learn to write dial up and 
log-in threads on my Apple //c with AE Express. I started delivering digital 
docs to Popular Mechanics in the early eighties and spent time on some user 
group servers. I remember one group that was based in Jersey called Washington 
Apple Tree. Another was the Micronetworked Apple Users Group or MAUG. I think 
MAUG eventually evolved into Compuserve.

Paul
>> 
>> Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)
>> 
>> Gerrit
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
>> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:43 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
>>> Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
>>> What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds 
>>> more like something that a pig would have not a cow...
>> 
>> I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html
>> 
>> BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.  
>> 
>> Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the
>> definition:
>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html
>> 
>> You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
>> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
>>>> The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
>>>> We don't need no stinking manuals!
>>>> Regards,  Bob S.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>>> I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with 
>>>>> my cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped 
>>>>> this pic of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned
>> out pretty nice:
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/
>>>>> 
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RE: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Gerrit Visser
Mmn, thank you, I will submit this as a new module for FreeSwitch. Using
Rogers internet for Voip gives almost the same latency :-)


gerrit

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 3:09 PM
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Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 03:02:25PM -0400, Gerrit Visser wrote:
> Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper 
> tape punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories

You had 300 baud modems?  We had to implement RFC 1149:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt

What is truly awesome is that some people actually did implement RFC 1149:
http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/

> 
> Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)
> 
> Gerrit
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:43 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic
> 
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
> > Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
> > What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds 
> > more like something that a pig would have not a cow...
> 
> I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html
> 
> BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.  
> 
> Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the
> definition:
> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html
> 
> You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html
> 
> > 
> > On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> > >The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
> > >We don't need no stinking manuals!
> > >Regards,  Bob S.
> > >
> > >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> > >>I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting 
> > >>with my cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I 
> > >>snapped this pic of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I 
> > >>think it turned
> out pretty nice:
> > >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/
> > >>
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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Larry Colen
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 03:02:25PM -0400, Gerrit Visser wrote:
> Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper tape
> punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories

You had 300 baud modems?  We had to implement RFC 1149:
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt

What is truly awesome is that some people actually did implement RFC 1149:
http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/

> 
> Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)
> 
> Gerrit
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
> Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:43 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic
> 
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
> > Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
> > What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds 
> > more like something that a pig would have not a cow...
> 
> I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html
> 
> BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.  
> 
> Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the
> definition:
> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html
> 
> You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html
> 
> > 
> > On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> > >The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
> > >We don't need no stinking manuals!
> > >Regards,  Bob S.
> > >
> > >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> > >>I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with 
> > >>my cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped 
> > >>this pic of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned
> out pretty nice:
> > >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/
> > >>
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RE: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Gerrit Visser
Usenet, dial up modems starting at 300 baud, acoustic couplers, paper tape
punching/reading at 110 baud. Ah, the memories

Thank you for providing another sink hole for my time :-)

Gerrit

-Original Message-
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:43 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
> Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
> What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds 
> more like something that a pig would have not a cow...

I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html

BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.  

Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the
definition:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html

You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html

> 
> On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> >The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
> >We don't need no stinking manuals!
> >Regards,  Bob S.
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >>I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with 
> >>my cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped 
> >>this pic of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned
out pretty nice:
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/
> >>
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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Larry Colen
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:29:42PM -0400, P.J. Alling wrote:
> Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers.
> What are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds
> more like something that a pig would have not a cow...

I guess you aren't old enough to remember usenet:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/C/cow-orker.html

BTW, the Jargon files are a wonderfully fun timesuck.  

Pick a word, and start following interesting looking links in the definition:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/go01.html

You can even learn about such things as scratch-monkeys:
http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/scratch-monkey.html

> 
> On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
> >The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
> >We don't need no stinking manuals!
> >Regards,  Bob S.
> >
> >On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >>I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with my
> >>cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped this pic
> >>of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned out pretty 
> >>nice:
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/
> >>
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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread P.J. Alling

By the way one should never examine noodles too closely...

On 6/28/2013 5:00 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with my
cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped this pic
of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned out pretty nice:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/




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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread P.J. Alling
Manual?  Hell I find it more disturbing that Larry has Cow-orkers. What 
are orkers?  That he talks to! What are orkers anyway? Sounds more like 
something that a pig would have not a cow...


On 6/28/2013 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
We don't need no stinking manuals!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with my
cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped this pic
of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned out pretty nice:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/

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Re: PESO Muruga's lunch / first K-5II pic

2013-06-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
The K-5II has a manual?  A MANUAL!
We don't need no stinking manuals!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I was going to read the K-5II manual at lunch, and got chatting with my
> cow-orkers. They were curious about the DA35 macro, so I snapped this pic
> of Muruga's lunch.  For sucha  silly shot, I think it turned out pretty nice:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9158332052/
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