Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
on 24.06.04 14:14, Nenad Djurdjevic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Maybe I'm misunderstanding you but if your wishlist is for the ISO value to > be displayed in the viewfinder then I didn't think it could be done because > the LCD display has nowhere it can display the set ISO value. The only > numeric displays in the viewfinder are shutter speed, aperture value and > remaining number recordable images. > However I suppose ISO value could be displayed it instead of the remaining > number recordable images. Depends whether you are willing to lose one > viewfinder indicator to gain another. That is. If you read my other wishes you should know what I mean :-) I wrote: "direct ISO selection - by just pressing "trash" button and rotating one of the control wheels with viewfinder indication (don't we just change this iso often? ;-)" so ISO would be visible by pressing "trash" button when in capture mode :-) And that could be easily done! -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
I wrote earlier: > However I suppose ISO value could be displayed it instead of the remaining > number recordable images. Depends whether you are willing to lose one > viewfinder indicator to gain another. Actually, I was right the first time because ISO goes to 3200 (4 digits) and remaining number recordable images display only has 3 digits - so it can't be done.
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
on 24.06.04 14:27, Nenad Djurdjevic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Actually, I was right the first time because ISO goes to 3200 (4 digits) and > remaining number recordable images display only has 3 digits - so it can't > be done. That's no problem :-) It is enough that you would see 16 or 32 for 1600 or 3200 respectively + "h" symbol (for "hundreds" or "high" if you want :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
I wrote: > > > Actually, I was right the first time because ISO goes to 3200 (4 digits) and > > remaining number recordable images display only has 3 digits - so it can't > > be done. Sylwek replied: > That's no problem :-) It is enough that you would see 16 or 32 for 1600 or > 3200 respectively + "h" symbol (for "hundreds" or "high" if you want :-) I guess I would be willing to put up with a less than perfect display. All too often I forget to reset ISO and find I have taken some shots in good light at an unecessarily high ISO. If there was some sort of indication in the viewfinder that would reduce the incidence of such mistakes. I have to admit that I rarely look at the remaining number recordable images display as I have a 512MB card, shoot jpeg and don't wait till the card is full to download to my computer. Now we just have to convince Pentax ;-) Regards Nenad
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
ND> Actually, I was right the first time because ISO goes to 3200 (4 digits) and ND> remaining number recordable images display only has 3 digits - so it can't ND> be done. Ugh Ogh. How about 1.6K or 3.2K ? Is it too hard to understand ? ;-) Or similar... I don't think though trash would be the best button for it. One could easily forgot he is in PLAY mode and try to change ISO there... Perhaps one of the four PLAY mode buttons? Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
Maybe something like "hold this button down and press the shutter release" This would instantly fire the shutter no matter the focus state. I'm not sure I want it any simpler than this as I don't want to be accidently changing the WB. >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/24/04 07:37AM >>> Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >We were talking a lot about *istD improvments that could be done via >firmware. >- direct manual WB metering - that is - I would prefere to just press this >small button and make *istD to meter WB without need of using shutter >release button Well that one just wouldn't work: You have to trip the shutter so that light can get to the sensor in order to measure white balance! -- Mark Roberts Photography and writing www.robertstech.com
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Frantisek Vlcek wrote: > ND> Actually, I was right the first time because ISO goes to 3200 (4 digits) and > ND> remaining number recordable images display only has 3 digits - so it can't > ND> be done. > > Ugh Ogh. How about 1.6K or 3.2K ? Is it too hard to understand ? ;-) > Or similar... 1.6K and 3.2K still are four symbols, but 1K6 and 3K2 may fit. If the display isn't figures only, and actually can show a "K" at all... anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt!
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
I would like to see ISO displayed somewhere all the time (the top LCD panel is OK) since I have changed it and forgotten. I don't need it in the viewfinder , though. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/24/04 09:04AM >>> I wrote: > > > Actually, I was right the first time because ISO goes to 3200 (4 digits) and > > remaining number recordable images display only has 3 digits - so it can't > > be done. Sylwek replied: > That's no problem :-) It is enough that you would see 16 or 32 for 1600 or > 3200 respectively + "h" symbol (for "hundreds" or "high" if you want :-) I guess I would be willing to put up with a less than perfect display. All too often I forget to reset ISO and find I have taken some shots in good light at an unecessarily high ISO. If there was some sort of indication in the viewfinder that would reduce the incidence of such mistakes. I have to admit that I rarely look at the remaining number recordable images display as I have a 512MB card, shoot jpeg and don't wait till the card is full to download to my computer. Now we just have to convince Pentax ;-) Regards Nenad
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
That really is a bright idea! If I had a menu option "Do you want 'ISO' or 'remaining pictures' displayed in the finder?" I would certainly go for ISO! And then being able to adjust it (as you described) while looking through the finder - brilliant. Sven Zitat von Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > on 24.06.04 14:27, Nenad Djurdjevic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Actually, I was right the first time because ISO goes to 3200 (4 digits) > and > > remaining number recordable images display only has 3 digits - so it can't > > be done. > That's no problem :-) It is enough that you would see 16 or 32 for 1600 or > 3200 respectively + "h" symbol (for "hundreds" or "high" if you want :-) > > -- > Best Regards > Sylwek > > >
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
on 24.06.04 15:04, Nenad Djurdjevic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I guess I would be willing to put up with a less than perfect display. All > too often I forget to reset ISO and find I have taken some shots in good > light at an unecessarily high ISO. If there was some sort of indication in > the viewfinder that would reduce the incidence of such mistakes. I have to > admit that I rarely look at the remaining number recordable images display > as I have a 512MB card, shoot jpeg and don't wait till the card is full to > download to my computer. Exactly, adding iso display even if it would reuire pressing button would be great - this is the most often changed parameter during shooting digital :-) > Now we just have to convince Pentax ;-) One of the latest press releases on Pentax Japan home page says that Pentax USA would soon become direct subsidiary of headquarters. So it should be enough to send them our wishes and who knows??? We need just a man in the USA who would be kind enough to print complete list, put it in envelope and send it to Pentax USA :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
16h and 32h would work fine for me... Sven Zitat von Anders Hultman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Frantisek Vlcek wrote: > > > ND> Actually, I was right the first time because ISO goes to 3200 (4 > digits) and > > ND> remaining number recordable images display only has 3 digits - so it > can't > > ND> be done. > > > > Ugh Ogh. How about 1.6K or 3.2K ? Is it too hard to understand ? ;-) > > Or similar... > > 1.6K and 3.2K still are four symbols, but 1K6 and 3K2 may fit. If the > display isn't figures only, and actually can show a "K" at all... > > anders > - > http://anders.hultman.nu/ > med dagens bild och allt! > >
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
on 24.06.04 15:09, Frantisek Vlcek at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I don't think though trash would be the best button for it. One could > easily forgot he is in PLAY mode and try to change ISO there... > Perhaps one of the four PLAY mode buttons? "trash" button is not bad as it is easy to access by both left- and right-eyed men. It is safe to use too, because in play mode you have almost no LCD indications visible and so it would be with ISO setting - possible only in capture mode :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
on 24.06.04 15:14, Steve Desjardins at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Maybe something like "hold this button down and press the shutter > release" This would instantly fire the shutter no matter the focus > state. I'm not sure I want it any simpler than this as I don't want to > be accidently changing the WB. Agreed, if that would work this way it would be enough :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
Anders Hultman wrote: > 1.6K and 3.2K still are four symbols, but 1K6 and 3K2 may fit. If the > display isn't figures only, and actually can show a "K" at all... I had a look and I don't think the display can do a 'K'. I believe it can do an 'H' however - if that's any use ;-)
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
on 24.06.04 15:19, keller.schaefer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > If I had a menu option "Do you want 'ISO' or 'remaining pictures' displayed in > the finder?" I would certainly go for ISO! > And then being able to adjust it (as you described) while looking through the > finder - brilliant. Exactly - menu option to choose between remaing frames and ISO display would be good too! -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
on 24.06.04 15:24, keller.schaefer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 16h and 32h would work fine for me... And it is easiest to implement as I suspect that this display has only 3 digits of 7-segment type. -- Pozdrowienia Sylwek
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, keller.schaefer wrote: > > 1.6K and 3.2K still are four symbols, but 1K6 and 3K2 may fit. If the > > display isn't figures only, and actually can show a "K" at all... > > 16h and 32h would work fine for me... Ah. Excellent solution! Three symbols and possible to show on a 7-segment figure display. I tend to forget those non 1000 based prefixes :-) anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt!
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
Nenand said, among other things: > > I guess I would be willing to put up with a less than perfect display. All > too often I forget to reset ISO and find I have taken some shots in good > light at an unecessarily high ISO. If there was some sort of indication in > the viewfinder that would reduce the incidence of such mistakes. I have to > admit that I rarely look at the remaining number recordable images display > as I have a 512MB card, shoot jpeg and don't wait till the card is full to > download to my computer. .. Does this camera indicate in the viewfinder what f-stop and shutter speed it's going to use to make the exposure? and, if so, could you not develop the habit of looking at those numbers to see whether they imply that you are using "an unnecessarily high ISO"? I understand what you're originally saying -- that it would be nice if the camera indicated the ISO for you -- but as it doesn't, perhaps you can avoid the problems you are having by changing your own habits to make use of existing information. ERN
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
Steve Desjardins wrote: > I would like to see ISO displayed somewhere all the time (the top LCD > panel is OK) since I have changed it and forgotten. I don't need it in > the viewfinder , though. Once again, I had a look at my *istD and the top display only has numeric values for shutter speed, aperture value and remaining number recordable images. So the same problems exist for ISO display as for the viewfinder. I guess a firmware update could allow an option to display the ISO value on what is currently the shutter speed display and the characters ISO on what is currently the f-stop display? I rarely look at the shutter and f-stop values on the top display anyway so I would be happy with that.
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
On 24 Jun 2004 at 11:39, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: > We were talking a lot about *istD improvments that could be done via > firmware. And if Pentax USA is to be direct Pentax subsidiary soon we could put > together our wishes and send them a letter which hopefully would travel to > Pentax design headquarters in Japan too. What do you think? Is there anybody in > the USA who would be kind enough to write summary letter and send it directly to > Pentax USA? Anyway here is my short wishlist of what could be done via firmware > upgrade: - I've had my little list up for a while, it's probably due for some updates :-) http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/Pentax_digi_wish-list/ Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
on 24.06.04 15:36, Rob Studdert at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've had my little list up for a while, it's probably due for some updates :-) > > http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/Pentax_digi_wish-list/ Well, our list is getting longer ;-) Good, the more we send them the better chances to release at least 20% of our wishes ;-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
ERN wrote: > Does this camera indicate in the viewfinder what f-stop and shutter speed it's > going to use to make the exposure? and, if so, could you not develop the habit > of looking at those numbers to see whether they imply that you are using "an > unnecessarily high ISO"? > I understand what you're originally saying -- that it would be nice if the > camera indicated the ISO for you -- but as it doesn't, perhaps you can avoid > the problems you are having by changing your own habits to make use of existing > information. Quite right. It's human error that's the problem most of the time - but it still would be good to have a little help from the machine ;-) (Film cameras never gave an option to change ISO on the fly - so setting and forgetting is a hard habit to break!)
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
Yes, that seems the best solution imho. In fact, you don't really need that 'h' letter - because the ISO starts from 200, so you can have 2,4,8,16 and 32. But the 'h' can tell you if you're looking at the remaining picture indicator or at the ISO setting. Alex Sarbu --- Anders Hultman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, keller.schaefer wrote: > > > 16h and 32h would work fine for me... > > Ah. Excellent solution! Three symbols and possible > to show on a 7-segment > figure display. I tend to forget those non 1000 > based prefixes :-) > > anders > - > http://anders.hultman.nu/ > med dagens bild och allt! > > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
On Thursday 24 June 2004 11:39, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: FJW> We were talking a lot about *istD improvments that could be done via FJW> firmware. And if Pentax USA is to be direct Pentax subsidiary soon we could FJW> put together our wishes and send them a letter which hopefully would travel FJW> to Pentax design headquarters in Japan too. What do you think? Is there FJW> anybody in the USA who would be kind enough to write summary letter and send FJW> it directly to Pentax USA? FJW> Anyway here is my short wishlist of what could be done via firmware upgrade: FJW> - blinking highlights wanring FJW> - histogram displayed in quick review FJW> - mirror lock-up in 3 sec. IR remote control mode FJW> - bulb mode for IR remote control (first press of button opens shutter, FJW> second closes it) FJW> - direct ISO selection - by just pressing "trash" button and rotating one of FJW> the control wheels with viewfinder indication (don't we just change this iso FJW> often? ;-) FJW> - direct manual WB metering - that is - I would prefere to just press this FJW> small button and make *istD to meter WB without need of using shutter FJW> release button, or at least AF shouldn't be engaged for this operation! Now FJW> it is annoying that to meter WB you have first to lock AF (difficult on FJW> white surface ;-) or switch to MF... FJW> Well, that's what would work for me. Anybody else? :-) FJW> I don't know if it can be done through firmware, but I vote for improved flash TTL control. -- Frits Wüthrich
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
I don't know if it can be done through firmware, but I vote for improved flash TTL control. Indeed. This would be nice. On the ISO stuff, I'd be happy enough to always have ISO in the viewfinder and frames on the top. But a menu to choose would be fine too. Either way, it has to be clear WHAT it is showing. I'd be happy with '2', '4', '8', '16' and '32', but with a prefix or suffix indicating ISO (I'm not sure that 'h' really does, but I don't know what would) And an easier way to select is a must. And also some other ideas: * Compresed PEF support. And only store 12 bits, not 16 the current method wastes half the card space, compared to CRW :( * Replace the silly embedded JPG in the PEF with an OPTIONAL extra JPG, at a settable res (ie v. small) * More accurate battery indication. I know it only has 3 positions, but they could at least be 3 meaningfull positions... * I'd like more control over exposure compensation. Wider range would be nice, but also the number of frames... sometimes I want 2, and I'd also like to be able to do more than 3. ie, take 6 frames each one stop apart, for building a HDRI image. (okay, so I'm lazy :) * Change custom function sets to be full custom setting sets, and remember more things. Then provide easy access to theses settings, and possibly more of them. * I was also thinking about the AF / manual fine-tune stuff that various lenses can do, and other systems. It seems to me, this could be done relatively easily as-is, with all lenses. I would like something that basically focuses (in AF-S mode), then once having focus-locked, disengages the motor, allowing MF while you're still half-holding the shutter. This would only work if the AF motor is under firmware control, not directly controlled by the switch, but there's a reasonable chance this is the case I think. No doubt there are other things I've forgotten right now too. Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
I fear manufacturers development departments are not good at thinking 'outside of the box' and the short product cycles have cut down available time to let foreigners test prototypes - to make the developers aware of things they just did not 'see'. If we leave behind the 'film based' thinking, then ISO, aperture and shutter speed have a comparable influence on the final image and all three values should be equally easy to adjust and be equally displayed. What was a combination of two values now is a ISO-speed-aperture triangle (well, it always was...). If it gets darker I can adjust ISO to get the best noise/shutter speed/aperture compromise, if I need shallow DOF I decrease ISO so that I can shoot wide open, if I need a very high shutter speed I can increase ISO until I get 1/6000 and so on. I don't think it is an adequate solution having to turn two dials to adjust ISO and then afterwards not even being able to see what was set (without hitting another button). Sven Zitat von [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > Neither my Nikon D100 nor my Nikon D1H display ISO in any of the > normal displays. It'd be real tempting to say "manufacturers didn't > anticipate the desire to see the freely-changeable ISO number in > the normal displays of a digital camera", except that my Nikon F5 > DOES show ISO in the rear display. > Still, perhaps the "amateurs use DX coding" mentality is to blame. > Does the *istD have an "auto ISO" feature? Some of the other low and/or > mid-level DSLRs do, presumably because film speed confuse tyros. > > OTOH, I rarely shoot more than a couple of frames at an inappropriate ISO > before my brain tells me that the settings are fishy and I check to > see where the camera is set. I'd expect most of you have good enough > eye-meters that you aren't going to shoot at 1600 ISO by accident for > long. > > DJE > > > >
Re: *istD firmware wishlist (open letter?)
ein> Neither my Nikon D100 nor my Nikon D1H display ISO in any of the ein> normal displays. It'd be real tempting to say "manufacturers didn't ein> anticipate the desire to see the freely-changeable ISO number in ein> the normal displays of a digital camera", except that my Nikon F5 Even the D1H? They at least added it in the D2, which shows it. Personally, I would much like to see ISO and WB in the viewfinder (although I do not qualify, as I use different DSLR than IstD ) Still, anything to better the IstD is good :) Best regards, Frantisek Vlcek
