Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
Really nice. The do make a tempting subject, don't they? On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:53 AM, frank theriault wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: >> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg >> > > Those are gorgeous kitties, Mark! And, a terrific photo, to boot. > Love your choice of dof. > > Mike Johnston would be pleased... > > ;-) > > cheers, > frank > > > -- > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg > Those are gorgeous kitties, Mark! And, a terrific photo, to boot. Love your choice of dof. Mike Johnston would be pleased... ;-) cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
From: Larry Colen On 9/14/2011 12:00 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:20:19PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg By the way: The FA*28-70/2.8 absolutely rocks for pet photos. 70mm lets you get "close" without getting close enough to spook the cats and the image quality of this lens is outstanding. That's pretty close to the length range and speed I need for photographing at the dojo. Do I want to know what one of those lenses goes for? No. It was the companion to the 80-200/f2.8, and priced accordingly. Yeah, I took a quick peek on ebay. I think there's one at about $1100. They do have a 35-90 /2.8 that looks pretty nifty, but that doesn't look like it'll work well with SR as it only autofocuses with the MEF, or something like that. I never got round to purchasing one of these back in the film days (mainly, I must admit, because the 28-105 was pretty darn good in decent light, which is when I'd have used it most). Nowadays you've already got the 16-50, so you'd be paying an awful lot for that extra 20mm (plus the ability to use 'normal' focal lengths as well as short telephoto without changing lenses). Remember that extra 20mm is an extra 40% linearly, or about half the area. i.e. if I crop digitally from 50 to 70 FOV, I go from 14 to 7 Mp. If I'm not trying to get the whole room, the ideal zoom range for photographing people during a test or a demo, at the dojo would probably be 28-105. Lately I've been using the 16-50 on one body and the 77 on another, and that's workable. With the K-5, in the evening off the incandescent bulbs, I can get acceptable shutter speed and noise at f/2.8. I suppose that in four years, for the cost of a 28-70 I'd be able to get an f/4 lens and a body that'll give me equivalent IQ at f/4 as the K-5 gives me at f/2.8. If you'll excuse my obsession with higher ISO and lower noise. Oh well, maybe the next time I get a big chunk of cash, I'll redirect some of it towards a Tamron 18-75/2.8. I bought the Tokina AT-X 287 AF PRO from KEH when I bought my first PZ-1p. It was my work-horse with the *ist-D. Still is mainly, although I'm using the 18-55 a lot now. If you can find the Pentax version it goes over $1,000. I haven't seen the Tokina version in Pentax mount for a long while, and I do look for it occasionally. I'd like to have a backup. Tokina later made the lens in 28-80 (closing the gap with the 80-200), but I don't know if that was after they stopped supporting Pentax K-mount or not. Sigma makes a 24-70f/2.8. Don't know if it's a true 'A' lens or one of the "FA-J" style lenses, but it is available in Pentax 'K' auto-focus. B&H and Adorama both showed it in stock. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg I see they've mastered the "earnestly innocent" look already. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
on 2011-09-13 20:39 Mark Roberts wrote http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg love it -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On 11-09-13 10:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg A beautiful purrtrait, Mark. There's enough essence of cat here to keep MJ away for years to come. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
Lovely Dave On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
That 35-90mm for the MEF isn't known for it's optical quality, ease manual focusing, or much of anything else, except being the first of something On 9/14/2011 3:39 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On 9/14/2011 12:00 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:20:19PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg By the way: The FA*28-70/2.8 absolutely rocks for pet photos. 70mm lets you get "close" without getting close enough to spook the cats and the image quality of this lens is outstanding. That's pretty close to the length range and speed I need for photographing at the dojo. Do I want to know what one of those lenses goes for? No. It was the companion to the 80-200/f2.8, and priced accordingly. Yeah, I took a quick peek on ebay. I think there's one at about $1100. They do have a 35-90 /2.8 that looks pretty nifty, but that doesn't look like it'll work well with SR as it only autofocuses with the MEF, or something like that. I never got round to purchasing one of these back in the film days (mainly, I must admit, because the 28-105 was pretty darn good in decent light, which is when I'd have used it most). Nowadays you've already got the 16-50, so you'd be paying an awful lot for that extra 20mm (plus the ability to use 'normal' focal lengths as well as short telephoto without changing lenses). Remember that extra 20mm is an extra 40% linearly, or about half the area. i.e. if I crop digitally from 50 to 70 FOV, I go from 14 to 7 Mp. If I'm not trying to get the whole room, the ideal zoom range for photographing people during a test or a demo, at the dojo would probably be 28-105. Lately I've been using the 16-50 on one body and the 77 on another, and that's workable. With the K-5, in the evening off the incandescent bulbs, I can get acceptable shutter speed and noise at f/2.8. I suppose that in four years, for the cost of a 28-70 I'd be able to get an f/4 lens and a body that'll give me equivalent IQ at f/4 as the K-5 gives me at f/2.8. If you'll excuse my obsession with higher ISO and lower noise. Oh well, maybe the next time I get a big chunk of cash, I'll redirect some of it towards a Tamron 18-75/2.8. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On 11-09-14 3:39 AM, Larry Colen wrote: If I'm not trying to get the whole room, the ideal zoom range for photographing people during a test or a demo, at the dojo would probably be 28-105. Lately I've been using the 16-50 on one body and the 77 on another, and that's workable. With the K-5, in the evening off the incandescent bulbs, I can get acceptable shutter speed and noise at f/2.8. I suppose that in four years, for the cost of a 28-70 I'd be able to get an f/4 lens and a body that'll give me equivalent IQ at f/4 as the K-5 gives me at f/2.8. If you'll excuse my obsession with higher ISO and lower noise. Oh well, maybe the next time I get a big chunk of cash, I'll redirect some of it towards a Tamron 18-75/2.8. Given that you have a DA* 16-50, that's not an efficient solution. Put your chunk of cash toward a DA* 50-135. It's an orgasm on a K-mount. -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:12 AM, "Larry Colen" wrote: > On 9/14/2011 1:17 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote: > > On 14 September 2011 08:39, Larry Colen wrote: > >> > >> Yeah, I took a quick peek on ebay. I think there's one at about $1100. > >> > >> They do have a 35-90 /2.8 that looks pretty nifty, but that doesn't look > >> like it'll work well with SR as it only autofocuses with the MEF, or > >> something like that. > > Doesn't look to be that great a lens: > > http://stans-photography.info/BriefComments.html#35-70 mm f/2.8 AF > > No it doesn't. Poking around that site, it's interesting to see how > many people have been kicking around in PDML for over a decade. I have one - purely for its historic value which, I think, is its only value. It auto-focuses on my ME-F but I could manual focus quicker. Aperture-wise, it's fast but it's a bugger to use. It's heavy and it completely unbalances the feel of the ME-F. Not tempted to use it on digital. (BTW - it's 35-70 not 35-90) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On 9/14/2011 1:17 AM, Eric Featherstone wrote: On 14 September 2011 08:39, Larry Colen wrote: Yeah, I took a quick peek on ebay. I think there's one at about $1100. They do have a 35-90 /2.8 that looks pretty nifty, but that doesn't look like it'll work well with SR as it only autofocuses with the MEF, or something like that. Doesn't look to be that great a lens: http://stans-photography.info/BriefComments.html#35-70 mm f/2.8 AF No it doesn't. Poking around that site, it's interesting to see how many people have been kicking around in PDML for over a decade. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On 14 September 2011 08:39, Larry Colen wrote: > On 9/14/2011 12:00 AM, John Francis wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:20:19PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: >>> Mark Roberts wrote: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg By the way: The FA*28-70/2.8 absolutely rocks for pet photos. 70mm lets you get "close" without getting close enough to spook the cats and the image quality of this lens is outstanding. >>> >>> That's pretty close to the length range and speed I need for >>> photographing at the dojo. Do I want to know what one of those lenses goes >>> for? >> >> No. It was the companion to the 80-200/f2.8, and priced accordingly. > > Yeah, I took a quick peek on ebay. I think there's one at about $1100. > > They do have a 35-90 /2.8 that looks pretty nifty, but that doesn't look > like it'll work well with SR as it only autofocuses with the MEF, or > something like that. Doesn't look to be that great a lens: http://stans-photography.info/BriefComments.html#35-70 mm f/2.8 AF -- Eric -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On 9/14/2011 12:00 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:20:19PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg By the way: The FA*28-70/2.8 absolutely rocks for pet photos. 70mm lets you get "close" without getting close enough to spook the cats and the image quality of this lens is outstanding. That's pretty close to the length range and speed I need for photographing at the dojo. Do I want to know what one of those lenses goes for? No. It was the companion to the 80-200/f2.8, and priced accordingly. Yeah, I took a quick peek on ebay. I think there's one at about $1100. They do have a 35-90 /2.8 that looks pretty nifty, but that doesn't look like it'll work well with SR as it only autofocuses with the MEF, or something like that. I never got round to purchasing one of these back in the film days (mainly, I must admit, because the 28-105 was pretty darn good in decent light, which is when I'd have used it most). Nowadays you've already got the 16-50, so you'd be paying an awful lot for that extra 20mm (plus the ability to use 'normal' focal lengths as well as short telephoto without changing lenses). Remember that extra 20mm is an extra 40% linearly, or about half the area. i.e. if I crop digitally from 50 to 70 FOV, I go from 14 to 7 Mp. If I'm not trying to get the whole room, the ideal zoom range for photographing people during a test or a demo, at the dojo would probably be 28-105. Lately I've been using the 16-50 on one body and the 77 on another, and that's workable. With the K-5, in the evening off the incandescent bulbs, I can get acceptable shutter speed and noise at f/2.8. I suppose that in four years, for the cost of a 28-70 I'd be able to get an f/4 lens and a body that'll give me equivalent IQ at f/4 as the K-5 gives me at f/2.8. If you'll excuse my obsession with higher ISO and lower noise. Oh well, maybe the next time I get a big chunk of cash, I'll redirect some of it towards a Tamron 18-75/2.8. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On 13/9/11, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: >http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg They'd make a lovely pair of slippers. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:20:19PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > > > Mark Roberts wrote: > > > >> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg > > > > By the way: The FA*28-70/2.8 absolutely rocks for pet photos. 70mm > > lets you get "close" without getting close enough to spook the cats > > and the image quality of this lens is outstanding. > > That's pretty close to the length range and speed I need for photographing at > the dojo. Do I want to know what one of those lenses goes for? No. It was the companion to the 80-200/f2.8, and priced accordingly. I never got round to purchasing one of these back in the film days (mainly, I must admit, because the 28-105 was pretty darn good in decent light, which is when I'd have used it most). Nowadays you've already got the 16-50, so you'd be paying an awful lot for that extra 20mm (plus the ability to use 'normal' focal lengths as well as short telephoto without changing lenses). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
They're stuffed, right? -T On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > Mark Roberts wrote: > >> http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg > > By the way: The FA*28-70/2.8 absolutely rocks for pet photos. 70mm > lets you get "close" without getting close enough to spook the cats > and the image quality of this lens is outstanding. That's pretty close to the length range and speed I need for photographing at the dojo. Do I want to know what one of those lenses goes for? > > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg You can even make pictures of cats look good. I hate you. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
There is more than enough pussy on the net with you having to add to it. :-P On 14/09/2011, Mark Roberts wrote: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
Like I said - cute, cute, cute ! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Mark Roberts" Subject: Dammit! Another cat photo! http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
Hey, be sure to forward these to Mike Johnston. On 9/13/2011 10:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
Unusually "posed." Creative patience. Jack - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Dammit! Another cat photo! Mark Roberts wrote: >http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg By the way: The FA*28-70/2.8 absolutely rocks for pet photos. 70mm lets you get "close" without getting close enough to spook the cats and the image quality of this lens is outstanding. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
Mark Roberts wrote: >http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg By the way: The FA*28-70/2.8 absolutely rocks for pet photos. 70mm lets you get "close" without getting close enough to spook the cats and the image quality of this lens is outstanding. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
You got them to pose! And a nice composition. Well done. Paul On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: > http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dammit! Another cat photo!
Dammit you're too good! they are WONDERFUL and a lovey shot it is... it will be shared :-) ann On 9/13/2011 22:39, Mark Roberts wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/kitties2.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
