Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying
 to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant.
 
 Any tips
 




This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might
work:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background


The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed
for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit
the image to 256 colours.



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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Brian. I have forwarded that on to Harry.

There are *some* at the old work place i don't mind helping out, but
only some.:-)

Dave

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying
 to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant.

 Any tips





 This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might
 work:

 http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background


 The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed
 for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit
 the image to 256 colours.



 Cheers

 Brian

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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread Paul Sorenson
He could also save it as a png, which also supports transparency, but 
retains a larger color range.


-p

On 2/1/2010 6:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com
wrote:
   

Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying
to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant.

Any tips

 




This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might
work:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background


The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed
for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit
the image to 256 colours.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread P. J. Alling
PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well.  I wouldn't 
recommend it but it's available.


On 2/1/2010 7:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com
wrote:
   

Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is trying
to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant.

Any tips

 




This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might
work:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background


The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed
for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit
the image to 256 colours.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread ann sanfedele



P. J. Alling wrote:

PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well.  I wouldn't 
recommend it but it's available. 


Why not?  Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs (that go on 
dark objects) and you get
the full color range.  


ann




On 2/1/2010 7:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote:


On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com
wrote:
  

Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is 
trying

to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant.

Any tips

 





This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might
work:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background 




The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed
for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit
the image to 256 colours.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread Mark Roberts
ann sanfedele wrote:

P. J. Alling wrote:

 PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well.  I wouldn't 
 recommend it but it's available. 

Why not?  Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs (that go on 
dark objects) and you get
the full color range.  

They aren't completely compatible with versions of Internet Explorer
prior to 7. And there are still a huge number of people (predominantly
on corporate IT systems) running IE 6.


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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread P. J. Alling
PNG has a lot of overhead, and are much larger than the equivalent Gif.  
Makes for a slow loading web page if you don't need them.


On 2/1/2010 2:45 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well.  I wouldn't 
recommend it but it's available. 


Why not?  Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs (that go 
on dark objects) and you get

the full color range.
ann




On 2/1/2010 7:34 AM, Brian Walters wrote:


On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 06:58 -0500, David J Brookspentko...@gmail.com
wrote:

Just received an email from an old work friend at MMM group.He is 
trying

to change the back ground colour of a photo from white to transparant.

Any tips






This tutorial seems to be for a later version of Elements, but it might
work:

http://activerain.com/blogsview/300201/create-image-with-transparent-background 




The jpg format doesn't support transparency so, if the image is needed
for the web, it will have to be saved in gif format and that will limit
the image to 256 colours.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread P. J. Alling

On 2/1/2010 2:53 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

ann sanfedele wrote:

   

P. J. Alling wrote:

 

PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well.  I wouldn't
recommend it but it's available.
   

Why not?  Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs (that go on
dark objects) and you get
the full color range.
 

They aren't completely compatible with versions of Internet Explorer
prior to 7. And there are still a huge number of people (predominantly
on corporate IT systems) running IE 6.
   


That too, but I didn't think of that, and if you're still running IE 6 
you get what you deserve...


   



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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread ann sanfedele


P. J. Alling wrote:


On 2/1/2010 2:53 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


ann sanfedele wrote:
  P. J. Alling wrote:

 


PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well.  I wouldn't
recommend it but it's available.
Why not?  Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs 
(that go on


dark objects) and you get
the full color range.


They aren't completely compatible with versions of Internet Explorer 
prior to 7. And there are still a huge number of people (predominantly 
on corporate IT systems) running IE 6.


 


That too, but I didn't think of that, and if you're still running IE 6 
you get what you deserve...


Ah  Thanks guys  - no matter to me then... Cafepress's display versions 
of the designs aren't png, they don't show the original artwork files 
they print with... they'd be too big.  
(and since I dont use ANY version of Explorer or Outlook - I wouldn't 
have noticed.  Firefox are us)


ann





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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread Mark Roberts
ann sanfedele wrote:

P. J. Alling wrote:

 On 2/1/2010 2:53 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 ann sanfedele wrote:
   P. J. Alling wrote:

 PNG is an option for transparent backgrounds as well.  I wouldn't
 recommend it but it's available.
  Why not?  Thats what I use now for all my cafepress designs 
 (that go on dark objects) and you get the full color range.

They aren't completely compatible with versions of Internet Explorer 
prior to 7. And there are still a huge number of people (predominantly 
on corporate IT systems) running IE 6.

 That too, but I didn't think of that, and if you're still running IE 6 
 you get what you deserve...

Ah  Thanks guys  - no matter to me then... Cafepress's display versions 
of the designs aren't png, they don't show the original artwork files 
they print with... they'd be too big.  
(and since I dont use ANY version of Explorer or Outlook - I wouldn't 
have noticed.  Firefox are us)

The only people still running version 6 of IE are those who have no
choice because it's on their computers at work and their employers
built in-house web applications that won't run on later versions.


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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread David J Brooks
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:

 The only people still running version 6 of IE are those who have no
 choice because it's on their computers at work and their employers
 built in-house web applications that won't run on later versions.

I have IE 6, but it sits on my screen as an unused, unloved icon, as it should.
Firefox has stolen my heart and the cops said my wallet to.

Dave


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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread Mark Roberts
David J Brooks wrote:

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:

 The only people still running version 6 of IE are those who have no
 choice because it's on their computers at work and their employers
 built in-house web applications that won't run on later versions.

I have IE 6, but it sits on my screen as an unused, unloved icon, as it should.
Firefox has stolen my heart and the cops said my wallet to.

Because I used to teach web design (not any more - yay!) I have some
freeware called MultipleIE that lets me install several versions of
Internet Explorer on one machine. If you design web pages or have a
web site of your own it's an unfortunate fact of life that you need to
know what it looks like on many different browsers.

I draw the line at IE 6, though: My pages offer basic support for 6
but users of IE 5.5 and earlier are on their own!

Here are the stats for my site during January 2010:
IE 8 - 51,187 hits
IE 7 - 49,173
IE 6 - 27,593
5.5  earlier - less than 1000

Firefox (all versions) - 64,755
Safari - 23,727


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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread Graydon
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 03:47:48PM -0500, P. J. Alling scripsit:
 PNG has a lot of overhead, and are much larger than the equivalent
 Gif.   Makes for a slow loading web page if you don't need them.

Only if the PNG has been incompetently produced.

Uncompressed PNG will give huge files, but compression is normal and
works fine. A comperssed PNG will generally give a smaller file size
than the equivalent GIF.  (Plus more than 256 colours, transparency, and
much more bit depth.  PNG is a perfectly good image archive format if
you don't already have a TIFF infrastructure.)

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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-02-01 18:22, Mark Roberts wrote:


The only people still running version 6 of IE are those who have no
choice because it's on their computers at work and their employers
built in-house web applications that won't run on later versions.


And the poor fools among us who have to develop presentations that are 
compatible with IE6 so those people can actually use our sites. :-) 
A, the joys of a virtual machine!


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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2010-02-01 18:22, Mark Roberts wrote:

 The only people still running version 6 of IE are those who have no
 choice because it's on their computers at work and their employers
 built in-house web applications that won't run on later versions.

And the poor fools among us who have to develop presentations that are 
compatible with IE6 so those people can actually use our sites. :-) 

I guess I should count myself as amongst those! (Though I can't see
why I'd put a smiley after that statement!)

A, the joys of a virtual machine!

Fortunately, we probably won't have to support IE6 for too much
longer:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-2033-264.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10444574-265.html


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Re: Elements 2 ??

2010-02-01 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-02-01 20:40, Mark Roberts wrote:

Doug Franklin wrote:

And the poor fools among us who have to develop presentations that are
compatible with IE6 so those people can actually use our sites. :-)


I guess I should count myself as amongst those! (Though I can't see
why I'd put a smiley after that statement!)


It's one of those one must laugh to avoid crying things.


Fortunately, we probably won't have to support IE6 for too much
longer:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-2033-264.html
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-10444574-265.html


I'm hoping.  But I'm not taking bets yet.

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