Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Annsan, Then I wish you a rapid recovery, I had had better times myself as well, so I understand. Regards, Frits On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 01:23, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > Frits Wüthrich wrote: > > > > I don't own stock of Hamrick, but I really think you make a mistake > > here. > > Vuescan often works a lot better then the original software. I was > > amazed when I used it for the first time. The nice thing is, Vuescan > > doesn't mess up with anything on your system, it doesn't remove your > > original software nor does it interfere with it. You can try it, as long > > as you don't register it you can use it with a watermark. It doesn't > > work as a twain driver, so you don't call the Vuescan software from > > Photoshop or, but you use Vuescan independantly. It can save a file > > directly on your drive after scanning, you can edit it later in whatever > > program you want to use. > > Your scanner might be a lot better then what you think it is, only > > producing less good results because of the mediocre original software. > > TRy it, small download, easy install, easy uninstall, no mess on your > > system, no changes to the registry, etc. > > > > Fritz, at this point I just can't deal with > _anything_ new -- > it could be the most wonderful thing in the world > by I'm not up > to it - however, Juey might be interested in it. > > I can barely function with things I know at the > moment. > > It has nothing to do with how good something is, > just the state of my brain. > > annsan > -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Frits Wüthrich wrote: > > I don't own stock of Hamrick, but I really think you make a mistake > here. > Vuescan often works a lot better then the original software. I was > amazed when I used it for the first time. The nice thing is, Vuescan > doesn't mess up with anything on your system, it doesn't remove your > original software nor does it interfere with it. You can try it, as long > as you don't register it you can use it with a watermark. It doesn't > work as a twain driver, so you don't call the Vuescan software from > Photoshop or, but you use Vuescan independantly. It can save a file > directly on your drive after scanning, you can edit it later in whatever > program you want to use. > Your scanner might be a lot better then what you think it is, only > producing less good results because of the mediocre original software. > TRy it, small download, easy install, easy uninstall, no mess on your > system, no changes to the registry, etc. > Fritz, at this point I just can't deal with _anything_ new -- it could be the most wonderful thing in the world by I'm not up to it - however, Juey might be interested in it. I can barely function with things I know at the moment. It has nothing to do with how good something is, just the state of my brain. annsan
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
I don't own stock of Hamrick, but I really think you make a mistake here. Vuescan often works a lot better then the original software. I was amazed when I used it for the first time. The nice thing is, Vuescan doesn't mess up with anything on your system, it doesn't remove your original software nor does it interfere with it. You can try it, as long as you don't register it you can use it with a watermark. It doesn't work as a twain driver, so you don't call the Vuescan software from Photoshop or, but you use Vuescan independantly. It can save a file directly on your drive after scanning, you can edit it later in whatever program you want to use. Your scanner might be a lot better then what you think it is, only producing less good results because of the mediocre original software. TRy it, small download, easy install, easy uninstall, no mess on your system, no changes to the registry, etc. On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 21:45, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > Frits Wüthrich wrote: > > > > Did you give Vuescan a try? > > http://www.hamrick.com > > I use it with my scanners, it has a lot of options and built in colour > > corrections for a lot of negative film types, and works very well. > > > > Nope - I think it best to stay with the software > that comes with the scanner > and I really can bring myself to deal with any new > software right now... > I can barely cope with what I have > > ann > > > On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 04:12, Juey Chong Ong wrote: > > > On Sunday, Jan 4, 2004, at 01:27 Asia/Singapore, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > > > > > scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! > > > > > > I have a 1640SU Photo also, and I find that you need to do massive > > > color correction when scanning color negatives. I think that's the norm > > > with "primitive" equipment. When I use my friend's Polaroid Sprintscan > > > 4000 which is a 4000ppi film scanner, I have to do the same thing. > > > > > > The quickest way to correct the color in the Epson is to use the Auto > > > setting. But you have to make sure that you select only the area of the > > > negative you're scanning, and include some of the black border as well. > > > That allows it to establish a black point. Make sure your selection > > > area does not include any of the scanning area outside the negative. > > > That way you don't end up with the wrong white point. > > > > > > I prefer to do a 16-bit raw scan (although I seriously wonder if the > > > data from the 1640 is even worth of 16 bits) and bring it into > > > Photoshop for the grunt work. > > > > > > --jc > > -- > > Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Did you give Vuescan a try? http://www.hamrick.com I use it with my scanners, it has a lot of options and built in colour corrections for a lot of negative film types, and works very well. On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 04:12, Juey Chong Ong wrote: > On Sunday, Jan 4, 2004, at 01:27 Asia/Singapore, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! > > I have a 1640SU Photo also, and I find that you need to do massive > color correction when scanning color negatives. I think that's the norm > with "primitive" equipment. When I use my friend's Polaroid Sprintscan > 4000 which is a 4000ppi film scanner, I have to do the same thing. > > The quickest way to correct the color in the Epson is to use the Auto > setting. But you have to make sure that you select only the area of the > negative you're scanning, and include some of the black border as well. > That allows it to establish a black point. Make sure your selection > area does not include any of the scanning area outside the negative. > That way you don't end up with the wrong white point. > > I prefer to do a 16-bit raw scan (although I seriously wonder if the > data from the 1640 is even worth of 16 bits) and bring it into > Photoshop for the grunt work. > > --jc -- Frits Wüthrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Juey Chong Ong wrote: > > On Sunday, Jan 4, 2004, at 01:27 Asia/Singapore, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! > > I have a 1640SU Photo also, and I find that you need to do massive > color correction when scanning color negatives. I think that's the norm > with "primitive" equipment. When I use my friend's Polaroid Sprintscan > 4000 which is a 4000ppi film scanner, I have to do the same thing. > > The quickest way to correct the color in the Epson is to use the Auto > setting. But you have to make sure that you select only the area of the > negative you're scanning, and include some of the black border as well. > That allows it to establish a black point. I've always done that, Juey - although it wasn't for the reasons you mention, I like a black border and full frame for aesthetic reasons, when the neg merits it - and i can't see to crop on the scanner anyway :) > > I prefer to do a 16-bit raw scan (although I seriously wonder if the > data from the 1640 is even worth of 16 bits) and bring it into > Photoshop for the grunt work. > > --jc Actually, it turns out that the scanner is not as much to blame for the first couple of things I did as the negs themselves... While other stuff I scanned that was Kodak Gold still needed color correction (and I used the auto and then fiddle a bit more.) the two shots of mine that I was serious enough about to send to the contest appear to have not been fixed properly - thats the only thing I can figure. they are 2 1/2 years old, have been stored in the dark, etc., but were too far off from what they should be for it just to be the scanner. If I'd made the finals with one of them, I would have had to send the negative so a good thing I found this out before I sent them off. and then there were the ones I tried to "improve" by not using the negative holder. :( ann
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
On Sunday, Jan 4, 2004, at 01:27 Asia/Singapore, Ann Sanfedele wrote: scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! I have a 1640SU Photo also, and I find that you need to do massive color correction when scanning color negatives. I think that's the norm with "primitive" equipment. When I use my friend's Polaroid Sprintscan 4000 which is a 4000ppi film scanner, I have to do the same thing. The quickest way to correct the color in the Epson is to use the Auto setting. But you have to make sure that you select only the area of the negative you're scanning, and include some of the black border as well. That allows it to establish a black point. Make sure your selection area does not include any of the scanning area outside the negative. That way you don't end up with the wrong white point. I prefer to do a 16-bit raw scan (although I seriously wonder if the data from the 1640 is even worth of 16 bits) and bring it into Photoshop for the grunt work. --jc
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Herb Chong wrote: > > that's what i used to do all the time until i got my Nikon scanner. scan as > positive with automatic exposure and then Invert and Auto Color. put me > basically at acceptable color and exposure without any more adjustments. > Photoshop Elements has the Auto Color Correction which does basically the > same thing. > > Herb... Ah - well it seems my difficulties may have been leaning more to my thinking it was better to press the film right against the glass. But now that you mention this, I might try it too... I didn't use auto anything when i tried it before ann > - Original Message - > From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ? > > > I tried scanning as a positive and reversing in > > photoshop... it was worse > > (well, that seemed like a bad idea anyway)
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Steve Jolly wrote: > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > The holders just hold the neg in place, I can't > > image it would affect color > > They also hold the negs away from the all-important first centimetre of > the glass, which the scanner uses to calibrate itself when in > transparency mode. Put *anything* in this region and it's anybody's > guess how the scan will come out. (See > http://www.elvum.net/gallery/holga/police_trafalfar_square_bad_scan for > just one example; overall casts are perfectly possible too...) > > S Looks like it was my brain contributing to the problem I didnt realise how crucial the holder was... (which is silly of me, because I had used the technique of not pressing something right up against the glass when I was scanning real objects. ugh.) However the first neg I was scanning that had a problem, had been in the holder, now that I think of it... boy, I sure feel stupid. Thanks much for this.. better than the manual (which I can't find anyway:) ) ann
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Steve Jolly wrote: > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > The holders just hold the neg in place, I can't > > image it would affect color > > They also hold the negs away from the all-important first centimetre of > the glass, which the scanner uses to calibrate itself when in > transparency mode. Put *anything* in this region and it's anybody's > guess how the scan will come out. (See > http://www.elvum.net/gallery/holga/police_trafalfar_square_bad_scan for > just one example; overall casts are perfectly possible too...) > > S Oh shit, maybe that's it! I was pressing the negs right up against the glass! duh. Thanks, steve!
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Ann, I have the 1640 too. While I haven't scanned the Gold 100 film, I have used it a lot with Portra 400 VC which scans quite nicely. One problem I have run into sometimes is that adjustments from previous scans sticks. So I have to reset the box by clicking either the Reset or Auto button to get a reasonable starting point. Another problem was that for some configurations of colour profiles, the scanner preview window would look substantially different from photoshop. Hope this could be some useful leads... Cheers, Jostein - Pictures at: http://oksne.net - - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 4:56 AM Subject: Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ? > mike wilson wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > > > > Scanning BW negs -- no problem > > > Scanning flatbed prints and objects - no problem > > > > > > scanning slides - no problem > > > > > > but, but, but.. > > > > > > scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! > > > > Going to absolute basics, you have got the software set for colour > > negative, haven't you? > > > > mike > > duh - yes, mike -- > > It then converts the neg to a positive on the > screen. which it does, > but the colors are poor. > > This is set in the SCANNER software... (twain > version 5) > > Ive been away form the machine for a number of > hours -- > I'm going to try a more recent neg. > > One thing I worried about was it being "wonky" > because I just > don't have enough room in ram when I'm doing it... > > > ann >
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Hi, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > gotcha :) indeed 8-) It was because I had been using Vuescan for a while, when it went all "funny" on me. I switched back to the original scanner software and, I think because I had been having so much trouble with colours for a few days, I completely missed that it was set for the wrong type of film and wasted more time trying to correct what I thought was now a hardware fault. Another step up the learning curve. Once I work out why I can't FTP stuff to my web space, I will post some comparisons of scans using Vuescan and the Canon software to see if anyone has an idea of what the problem is. mike
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Ann Sanfedele wrote: The holders just hold the neg in place, I can't image it would affect color They also hold the negs away from the all-important first centimetre of the glass, which the scanner uses to calibrate itself when in transparency mode. Put *anything* in this region and it's anybody's guess how the scan will come out. (See http://www.elvum.net/gallery/holga/police_trafalfar_square_bad_scan for just one example; overall casts are perfectly possible too...) S
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Steve Jolly wrote: > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > >scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! > > Are you using the official Epson plastic negative holder? > > I have a Perfection 1660 and haven't had any problems scanning colour > negatives of any description, although Fuji tend to come out slightly > better than Kodak. > > S The holders just hold the neg in place, I can't image it would affect color ann
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: > > Ann, > > I have the Epson Perfection 1650. It seriously sucks for neg scans and I > loathe the day that I bought the thing. For print scanning it is great, but > I shouldn't have been such a tight-wad and spent the extra 500 or so bucks > to get a neg scanner. > > I can't help you much cause I've never been able to get it to do anything > that is even remotely usable for me... > > tan. aarrggh annsan
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
mike wilson wrote: > > Hi, > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > > mike wilson wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > > > > > > Scanning BW negs -- no problem > > > > Scanning flatbed prints and objects - no problem > > > > > > > > scanning slides - no problem > > > > > > > > but, but, but.. > > > > > > > > scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! > > > > > > Going to absolute basics, you have got the software set for colour > > > negative, haven't you? > > > > > > mike > > > > duh - yes, mike -- > > I only asked because,...well, er, the voice of experience and all > that. 8-)) > > m gotcha :) I tried a newer neg last night -- same problem - (btw, if I had not switched to TPU from neg it would have been too orange, not to green.:) ) I tried scanning as a positive and reversing in photoshop... it was worse (well, that seemed like a bad idea anyway) sigh annsan
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Hi, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > mike wilson wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > > > > Scanning BW negs -- no problem > > > Scanning flatbed prints and objects - no problem > > > > > > scanning slides - no problem > > > > > > but, but, but.. > > > > > > scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! > > > > Going to absolute basics, you have got the software set for colour > > negative, haven't you? > > > > mike > > duh - yes, mike -- I only asked because,...well, er, the voice of experience and all that. 8-)) m
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Ann Sanfedele wrote: scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! Are you using the official Epson plastic negative holder? I have a Perfection 1660 and haven't had any problems scanning colour negatives of any description, although Fuji tend to come out slightly better than Kodak. S
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Ann, I have the Epson Perfection 1650. It seriously sucks for neg scans and I loathe the day that I bought the thing. For print scanning it is great, but I shouldn't have been such a tight-wad and spent the extra 500 or so bucks to get a neg scanner. I can't help you much cause I've never been able to get it to do anything that is even remotely usable for me... tan.
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
mike wilson wrote: > > Hi, > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > > Scanning BW negs -- no problem > > Scanning flatbed prints and objects - no problem > > > > scanning slides - no problem > > > > but, but, but.. > > > > scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! > > Going to absolute basics, you have got the software set for colour > negative, haven't you? > > mike duh - yes, mike -- It then converts the neg to a positive on the screen. which it does, but the colors are poor. This is set in the SCANNER software... (twain version 5) Ive been away form the machine for a number of hours -- I'm going to try a more recent neg. One thing I worried about was it being "wonky" because I just don't have enough room in ram when I'm doing it... ann
Re: Epson 1640 SUP scanner prob ?
Hi, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > Scanning BW negs -- no problem > Scanning flatbed prints and objects - no problem > > scanning slides - no problem > > but, but, but.. > > scanning color Kodak 100 gold negs - arrrggh! Going to absolute basics, you have got the software set for colour negative, haven't you? mike
