Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Heh. Sorry, not interested. Maybe someone else is. Good luck. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 1/29/2014 2:06:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, miser...@gmail.com writes: Marine, I should add, in case it's important to you, that the X-E2 has an onboard flash while the X-T1 doesn't. If I come across as a Fuji salesperson, I'm not. I'll happily let you know all the things that annoy the hell out of me on the X-E2 :-) Cheers, --M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 29 January 2014 15:52, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: Marnie, You mean the X-E2? There is an X-M1 (not X-M2) but it doesn't have a viewfinder. The guts of the X-E2 and X-T1 are very similar: Same sensor and image processing engine, and probably same AF algorithms (at least once they release new firmware for the X-E2). The EVF on the X-T1 is larger and has a faster refresh rate than that of the X-E2, but I own the X-E2 and think it has a very nice EVF, so it's not like you'd be slumming. As far as external controls go, the X-E2 lacks an ISO wheel, and Drive and Meter Mode levers. It also has fewer customisable buttons, but that could change with a firmware upgrade, which Fuji seem fond of. Lastly, the X-E2 is $300 cheaper than the X-T1. I'm interested in the X-T1 because it's going to handle larger lenses better and, most importantly, because it has a flip-screen, which the X-E2 doesn't. A slightly larger EVF will be a nice bonus, but is not a deciding factor for me. Are you interested in a gently used X-E2? ;-) Cheers, --M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 29 January 2014 13:04, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I am interested in the X-M2, not sure of the differences between it and this one. (It has a viewfinder also, saw it at CES). Marnie In a message dated 1/28/2014 3:40:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, co...@seeingeye.tv writes: On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. I am, slowly being won around. This one is OLED and supposedly one-tenth of the lag rate of previous incarnations... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
The mirrorless seem to be getting CLOSE to what I want. Sort of like, I'll know it when I see it. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 1/31/2014 4:46:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, godfreydigio...@me.com writes: On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:31 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: .. I am still sort of the opinion that *my* perfect camera hasn't been made yet. .. It's probably a fact that no camera can ever truly be perfect. I've come across a few that were quite nice, however. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On January 31, 2014 7:45:17 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:31 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: .. I am still sort of the opinion that *my* perfect camera hasn't been made yet. .. It's probably a fact that no camera can ever truly be perfect. I've come across a few that were quite nice, however. G I've thought about that for the last 5 years or so. Shame there are no custom camera builders, like there are tailors, architects or carpinters; at this point I get so worked up by imperfect cameras that I'd be willing to pay a decent chunk of money for one, even if it's APS-C. If camera makers opened up their firmware, then I'd probably be able to end up with a 98% perfect camera for no extra money, but nobody listens to Thom Hogan, let alone to me :-/ Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On February 1, 2014 9:37:58 PM EST, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: On Feb 1, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 1/2/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: If there's one beef I have with all the Fuji cameras of recent years (aside from the weird processing required for the X sensors), and with the Sony A7, it's the placement of the EV Compensation dial. The right- rear corner is just wrong--I have to move my whole right hand to adjust EV compensation, and that's something I do all the time since I use aperture priority AE most of the time. The Sony allows me to re-map this control to the front dial, making it fall to hand easily like it is on the Olympus E-M1 and other cameras I own. I don't know whether that solution is possible on the Fuji. Interesting! I find moving the EV dial very easy with just my right thumb, without moving my right hand at all. Cat skin ;-) Different size/shape hands, we probably hold the camera somewhat differently too. I can't seem to bend my thumb and move it precisely on a wheel in that location. I always end up taking the camera from my eye and looking at the dial to see what I'm doing, which gets in the way of my shooting workflow. Don't leave that cat skin laying about. I hear it broils up nicely and goes well with hat. ];-) (Ann will shoot me next time I see her… ) G I don't have an issue with the placement of the EV Comp dial, but I do have an issue with how tight it is on the new X cameras; I can barely move it with my thumb while holding the camera steady to my eye, and when I do, I'm never sure how much I moved it because I generally overshoot. And no, Godfrey, you can't reassign this to another dial. Related to this issue is the shutter speed dial, which is even tighter, making it impossible for me to shoot in Tv mode (unless I'm happy picking a single speed and not changing it dynamically in real time as I shoot). Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On 3 February 2014 08:18, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: If camera makers opened up their firmware, then I'd probably be able to end up with a 98% perfect camera for no extra money, but nobody listens to Thom Hogan, let alone to me :-/ Cheers, Amen, the Sony RX100.. could benefit greatly by having photographers input to the design of the UI :( -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:18 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I've thought about that for the last 5 years or so. Shame there are no custom camera builders, like there are tailors, architects or carpinters; at this point I get so worked up by imperfect cameras that I'd be willing to pay a decent chunk of money for one, even if it's APS-C. If camera makers opened up their firmware, then I'd probably be able to end up with a 98% perfect camera for no extra money, but nobody listens to Thom Hogan, let alone to me :-/ For me, Olympus got it so nearly, perfectly right with the E-1 and then the E-M1 bodies. Button and dial placement on both is outstanding, shape and grip size just naturally falls to hand with the dials easily accessible. And the E-M1 is so configurable, with 9 or 10 of the buttons, levers, and dials customizable, it's pretty much able to be configured for nearly anyone's preferences. By comparison, the Sony A7 is clunky, a bit rough around the edges. What saves it is the excellent sensor, and the fact that I have a kit of superb lenses looking for a body to work with. :-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On 31/1/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I've come across a few that were quite nice, however. This bloke seems to think the EVF is something special. Bit of a fanboy maybe but he's not 100% on it. Interesting take. http://fotografeivindrohne.blogspot.no/2014/01/fujifilm-x-t1-first- hands-on-impressions.html?m=1 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 31/1/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I've come across a few that were quite nice, however. This bloke seems to think the EVF is something special. Bit of a fanboy maybe but he's not 100% on it. Interesting take. http://fotografeivindrohne.blogspot.no/2014/01/fujifilm-x-t1-first-hands-on-impressions.html?m=1 A bit, yes. ;-) The EVF sounds like the ones in the Olympus E-M1 and Sony A7/A7r. It might even be the same panel as one of them. This latest generation of EVFs is, to my eye, as transparent as the best reflex finders and more useful overall. They only fall down in extreme niche uses typically associated with very high speed subject motion (the Oly E-M1 negative crowd are all people who use the longest pro FT lenses and shoot birds in flight … SLRs are still the best tool for that niche use). You should go play with one or the other of these bodies, until the Fuji is in the stores to look at too, to see the state of the art. If the Fuji's finder is even better quality, more power to them! If there's one beef I have with all the Fuji cameras of recent years (aside from the weird processing required for the X sensors), and with the Sony A7, it's the placement of the EV Compensation dial. The right-rear corner is just wrong—I have to move my whole right hand to adjust EV compensation, and that's something I do all the time since I use aperture priority AE most of the time. The Sony allows me to re-map this control to the front dial, making it fall to hand easily like it is on the Olympus E-M1 and other cameras I own. I don't know whether that solution is possible on the Fuji. A little thing, but it always irks me. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hmmm. Interesting! Thanks, Cotty. On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 31/1/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: I've come across a few that were quite nice, however. This bloke seems to think the EVF is something special. Bit of a fanboy maybe but he's not 100% on it. Interesting take. http://fotografeivindrohne.blogspot.no/2014/01/fujifilm-x-t1-first- hands-on-impressions.html?m=1 -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On 1/2/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: If there's one beef I have with all the Fuji cameras of recent years (aside from the weird processing required for the X sensors), and with the Sony A7, it's the placement of the EV Compensation dial. The right- rear corner is just wrong--I have to move my whole right hand to adjust EV compensation, and that's something I do all the time since I use aperture priority AE most of the time. The Sony allows me to re-map this control to the front dial, making it fall to hand easily like it is on the Olympus E-M1 and other cameras I own. I don't know whether that solution is possible on the Fuji. Interesting! I find moving the EV dial very easy with just my right thumb, without moving my right hand at all. Cat skin ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On Feb 1, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 1/2/14, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: If there's one beef I have with all the Fuji cameras of recent years (aside from the weird processing required for the X sensors), and with the Sony A7, it's the placement of the EV Compensation dial. The right- rear corner is just wrong--I have to move my whole right hand to adjust EV compensation, and that's something I do all the time since I use aperture priority AE most of the time. The Sony allows me to re-map this control to the front dial, making it fall to hand easily like it is on the Olympus E-M1 and other cameras I own. I don't know whether that solution is possible on the Fuji. Interesting! I find moving the EV dial very easy with just my right thumb, without moving my right hand at all. Cat skin ;-) Different size/shape hands, we probably hold the camera somewhat differently too. I can't seem to bend my thumb and move it precisely on a wheel in that location. I always end up taking the camera from my eye and looking at the dial to see what I'm doing, which gets in the way of my shooting workflow. Don't leave that cat skin laying about. I hear it broils up nicely and goes well with hat. ];-) (Ann will shoot me next time I see her… ) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Heh. I thought saw a X-M2 at CES. No longer sure, maybe it was the X-T1. Or the X-E2. Whatever it was, it was brand, brand new. MarnieHuh, probably not. I have conflicting desires to dump my Canon equipment and get the K-3 or a Fujifilm or something similar that is smaller. But the Fujifilm is probably at the top of that list. However, I probably won't do it anytime soon. I love my Canon glass, but it is HEAVY. One lens in particular makes me want to switch every time I use it. But the equivalent Pentax lenses (which are smaller) are around $1,000 each. Ouch, pricey. I am still sort of the opinion that *my* perfect camera hasn't been made yet. Heh. In a message dated 1/29/2014 1:42:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, miser...@gmail.com writes: Are you interested in a gently used X-E2? ;-) Cheers, --M. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 31/1/14, eactiv...@aol.com, discombobulated, unleashed: *my* perfect camera hasn't been made yet. Mark. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Heh. I thought saw a X-M2 at CES. No longer sure, maybe it was the X-T1. Or the X-E2. Whatever it was, it was brand, brand new. Marnie Huh, probably not. I have conflicting desires to dump my Canon equipment and get the K-3 or a Fujifilm or something similar that is smaller. But the Fujifilm is probably at the top of that list. However, I probably won't do it anytime soon. I love my Canon glass, but it is HEAVY. One lens in particular makes me want to switch every time I use it. But the equivalent Pentax lenses (which are smaller) are around $1,000 each. Ouch, pricey. I am still sort of the opinion that *my* perfect camera hasn't been made yet. Heh. Try renting some m43 equipment to see how light it is... -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:31 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: .. I am still sort of the opinion that *my* perfect camera hasn't been made yet. .. It's probably a fact that no camera can ever truly be perfect. I've come across a few that were quite nice, however. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 29/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Give me a bag of cormorants any day. MARK! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
It's a very nice body, similar to OM-D E-M1. I don't mind EVF, the latest iterations are quite good. Magnification could be better though. I'm not planning to get a mirrorless system, but now it would be a tough choice between this and the Olympus. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
The Olympus looks really good, but I'd be leaning towards the SONY a7, despite it's now documented shortcomings, with an adapter it would make my full frame K and M lenses their proper focal lengths again. I really don't like the fly by wire focusing that seems to be the new normal for most of the new EVIL camera systems, but then again I prefer a manual transmission in my car too. On 1/29/2014 12:00 PM, Attila Boros wrote: It's a very nice body, similar to OM-D E-M1. I don't mind EVF, the latest iterations are quite good. Magnification could be better though. I'm not planning to get a mirrorless system, but now it would be a tough choice between this and the Olympus. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
I am interested in the X-M2, not sure of the differences between it and this one. (It has a viewfinder also, saw it at CES). Marnie In a message dated 1/28/2014 3:40:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, co...@seeingeye.tv writes: On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. I am, slowly being won around. This one is OLED and supposedly one-tenth of the lag rate of previous incarnations... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Marine, I should add, in case it's important to you, that the X-E2 has an onboard flash while the X-T1 doesn't. If I come across as a Fuji salesperson, I'm not. I'll happily let you know all the things that annoy the hell out of me on the X-E2 :-) Cheers, --M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 29 January 2014 15:52, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: Marnie, You mean the X-E2? There is an X-M1 (not X-M2) but it doesn't have a viewfinder. The guts of the X-E2 and X-T1 are very similar: Same sensor and image processing engine, and probably same AF algorithms (at least once they release new firmware for the X-E2). The EVF on the X-T1 is larger and has a faster refresh rate than that of the X-E2, but I own the X-E2 and think it has a very nice EVF, so it's not like you'd be slumming. As far as external controls go, the X-E2 lacks an ISO wheel, and Drive and Meter Mode levers. It also has fewer customisable buttons, but that could change with a firmware upgrade, which Fuji seem fond of. Lastly, the X-E2 is $300 cheaper than the X-T1. I'm interested in the X-T1 because it's going to handle larger lenses better and, most importantly, because it has a flip-screen, which the X-E2 doesn't. A slightly larger EVF will be a nice bonus, but is not a deciding factor for me. Are you interested in a gently used X-E2? ;-) Cheers, --M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 29 January 2014 13:04, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I am interested in the X-M2, not sure of the differences between it and this one. (It has a viewfinder also, saw it at CES). Marnie In a message dated 1/28/2014 3:40:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, co...@seeingeye.tv writes: On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. I am, slowly being won around. This one is OLED and supposedly one-tenth of the lag rate of previous incarnations... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 29/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: If I come across as a Fuji salesperson, I'm not. I'll happily let you know all the things that annoy the hell out of me on the X-E2 :-) My X-E1 I got used will eventually go - but it's a capable little camera. Wish list: X-T1 and X100s black. The 56/1.2 looks pretty cool: http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/cameras/Fujifilm/Fuji%20X- T1/Product%20Shots/Fuji_X-T1_34-580-90.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/givesmehorn Cameraporn!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
-Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell [...] X-T1 and X100s black. The 56/1.2 looks pretty cool: http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/cameras/Fujifilm /Fuji%20X- T1/Product%20Shots/Fuji_X-T1_34-580-90.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/givesmehorn Cameraporn!!! Don't get too carried away, mate. According to this article in Reader's Wives http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/540368/fuji-unveils-x-t1-sy stem-camera it makes use of around 80 seals to help protect against dust and moisture That's a helluva lot of seals to carry around. They're greasy little fuckers, their flippers get everywhere, and you can never get the smell out. Give me a bag of cormorants any day. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Marnie, You mean the X-E2? There is an X-M1 (not X-M2) but it doesn't have a viewfinder. The guts of the X-E2 and X-T1 are very similar: Same sensor and image processing engine, and probably same AF algorithms (at least once they release new firmware for the X-E2). The EVF on the X-T1 is larger and has a faster refresh rate than that of the X-E2, but I own the X-E2 and think it has a very nice EVF, so it's not like you'd be slumming. As far as external controls go, the X-E2 lacks an ISO wheel, and Drive and Meter Mode levers. It also has fewer customisable buttons, but that could change with a firmware upgrade, which Fuji seem fond of. Lastly, the X-E2 is $300 cheaper than the X-T1. I'm interested in the X-T1 because it's going to handle larger lenses better and, most importantly, because it has a flip-screen, which the X-E2 doesn't. A slightly larger EVF will be a nice bonus, but is not a deciding factor for me. Are you interested in a gently used X-E2? ;-) Cheers, --M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 29 January 2014 13:04, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I am interested in the X-M2, not sure of the differences between it and this one. (It has a viewfinder also, saw it at CES). Marnie In a message dated 1/28/2014 3:40:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, co...@seeingeye.tv writes: On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. I am, slowly being won around. This one is OLED and supposedly one-tenth of the lag rate of previous incarnations... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production -- www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Good point, Bob! Though 80 cormorants would make for a spikey camera... Cheers, --M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 29 January 2014 17:26, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steve Cottrell [...] X-T1 and X100s black. The 56/1.2 looks pretty cool: http://cdn0.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/cameras/Fujifilm /Fuji%20X- T1/Product%20Shots/Fuji_X-T1_34-580-90.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/givesmehorn Cameraporn!!! Don't get too carried away, mate. According to this article in Reader's Wives http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/540368/fuji-unveils-x-t1-sy stem-camera it makes use of around 80 seals to help protect against dust and moisture That's a helluva lot of seals to carry around. They're greasy little fuckers, their flippers get everywhere, and you can never get the smell out. Give me a bag of cormorants any day. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 07:00:04PM +0200, Attila Boros wrote: It's a very nice body, similar to OM-D E-M1. I don't mind EVF, the latest iterations are quite good. Magnification could be better though. I'm not planning to get a mirrorless system, but now it would be a tough choice between this and the Olympus. It certainly looks like a nice body, but I've already got an APS-C system (which will probably get a K-3 added to it at some point). I'm more inclined to go for the OM-D, to get the lighter lenses (compatibility with my wife's E-PL1 wouldn't be a bad thing, either). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging- press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...' and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested. DPR: http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl and http://tinyurl.com/phtktos -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Well, but arguably, sir, you get to keep your hat uneaten... On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging- press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...' and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested. DPR: http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl and http://tinyurl.com/phtktos -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Well, but arguably, sir, you get to keep your hat uneaten... On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging- press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...' and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested. DPR: http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl and http://tinyurl.com/phtktos -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Looks like a nicely designed body, similar aesthetic to the Nikon Df with many discrete dials, buttons and knobs. I hope it has an up to date EVF (on par with the Sony A7/A7r or Olympus E-M1) and feels good in the hand. I know Fuji's lenses are generally quite good; they're building up a decent lens line now. But: I'm not crazy about the position of the EV compensation dial (the A7 has it in the same place and I find it awkward, found it awkward on the two Fujis I had that had the same too; I've remapped A7's direct EV compensation to the front finger dial for my use). I remain less than thrilled with what I see with Fuji's unusual sensor when it comes to raw file processing. However, that situation has improved somewhat with the most recent revisions of Lightroom and Capture 1. The negative conjectures are my personal predilection … not a reflection on the camera really. ;-) Exciting times in camera equipment land! G On Jan 28, 2014, at 12:56 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging- press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...' and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested. DPR: http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl and http://tinyurl.com/phtktos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Nice, but I won't buy one until they come out with a Full Frame model. Wah, wah, wah! ;-) On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Kind of looks like someone took parts of Sony's new FF mirrorless, and the Olympus OM-D, (doesn't matter which one really), and built a new camera out of the parts around an APS-C sensor. From the front it looks a lot like a nice compact film SLR from the late 80's before AutoFocus took completely over. The specifications look good I guess, but I'm finding it hard to get excited about gear that requires me to change entire systems. On 1/28/2014 12:42 AM, Miserere wrote: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
For those that are wondering, a size comparison with the K-3: http://j.mp/1f8Xz5k Pretty similar from the front, but take a look from the top; big difference there. And Cotty, I assume you saw the EVF size comparison on the DPR preview: http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-t1/images/vf-sizes.jpg?v=2721 Fuji is trying really hard to make me part with my hard-earned money... Cheers, --M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 28 January 2014 03:56, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging- press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...' and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested. DPR: http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl and http://tinyurl.com/phtktos -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
The camera's very nice looking, but it's still only a .77x viewfinder, so it's nothing like a digital LX. The LX had a superb viewfinder, and really for me the viewfinder is a really important part of the choice in a camera. And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. B -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Miserere Sent: 28 January 2014 20:34 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out! For those that are wondering, a size comparison with the K-3: http://j.mp/1f8Xz5k Pretty similar from the front, but take a look from the top; big difference there. And Cotty, I assume you saw the EVF size comparison on the DPR preview: http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-t1/images /vf-sizes.jpg?v=2721 Fuji is trying really hard to make me part with my hard-earned money... Cheers, --M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment On 28 January 2014 03:56, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-li ve-bloggin g- press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Yes it looks really interesting. I would be very interested to see the EVF for real. ...'even larger than the Canon 1 DX...' and weathersealed. For a grand (GBP) ? That price will come down a bit by the time I could have one, so yes, very interested. DPR: http://tinyurl.com/p34x4jl and http://tinyurl.com/phtktos -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On 28/1/14, Miserere, discombobulated, unleashed: For those that are wondering, a size comparison with the K-3: http://j.mp/1f8Xz5k Pretty similar from the front, but take a look from the top; big difference there. And Cotty, I assume you saw the EVF size comparison on the DPR preview: http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-t1/images/vf- sizes.jpg?v=2721 Fuji is trying really hard to make me part with my hard-earned money... You, me and bill apparently. You know what, if you squint hard it's the same silhouette as an LX! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On 28/1/14, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. I am, slowly being won around. This one is OLED and supposedly one-tenth of the lag rate of previous incarnations... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On 28/01/2014 2:33 PM, Miserere wrote: http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-t1/images/vf-sizes.jpg?v=2721 Fuji is trying really hard to make me part with my hard-earned money... Not having seen an EVF that doesn't make me hurl, I will probably like this camera from afar. OTOH, if, when I get a chance to look at the thing, the viewfinder lets me keep my last meal where it belongs, I will be so all over this camera. Or, I might hold off and see if they come out with a new and improved one with their new style chip and 25mp in a year. It does look like a sweet ride. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On 28/01/2014 3:29 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: If you prefer an SLR you've got to put the mirror box somewhere. The 17.7 registration distance of the X-mount keeps the camera thinner as well. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Bob W wrote: And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. Same for me. For now. But I expect EVF's will eventually get as good as optical viewfinders and will replace them the elimination of the moving mirror, prism, etc. will make the cost reduction irresistible (though I'm skeptical of their effect on battery life). Now that I think about it I realize I got it backwards: EVF's will replace optical viewfinders and *then* they'll (eventually) get as good as optical viewfinders. I hope they'll get good enough before then. This new Fuji could be the tipping point. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
On 28/01/2014 6:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. Same for me. For now. But I expect EVF's will eventually get as good as optical viewfinders and will replace them – the elimination of the moving mirror, prism, etc. will make the cost reduction irresistible (though I'm skeptical of their effect on battery life). Yes kids, we have a winner. Using my X-Pro1 with the viewfinder lit up has incredibly short battery life. The X-T1 will have an accessory battery grip, which adds to the size and weight, and probably still won't take it up to a K5IIs for number of pictures. They are listing the battery life at 350 for the X-T1. I bet the reality is a lot less. Now that I think about it I realize I got it backwards: EVF's will replace optical viewfinders and *then* they'll (eventually) get as good as optical viewfinders. I hope they'll get good enough before then. This new Fuji could be the tipping point. From what I've heard, mirrorless sales numbers aren't all there. While they have a small but vocal fan(boy) base, they aren't really being embraced by the public. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/01/2014 6:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. Same for me. For now. But I expect EVF's will eventually get as good as optical viewfinders and will replace them – the elimination of the moving mirror, prism, etc. will make the cost reduction irresistible (though I'm skeptical of their effect on battery life). Yes kids, we have a winner. Using my X-Pro1 with the viewfinder lit up has incredibly short battery life. The X-T1 will have an accessory battery grip, which adds to the size and weight, and probably still won't take it up to a K5IIs for number of pictures. They are listing the battery life at 350 for the X-T1. I bet the reality is a lot less. Now that I think about it I realize I got it backwards: EVF's will replace optical viewfinders and *then* they'll (eventually) get as good as optical viewfinders. I hope they'll get good enough before then. This new Fuji could be the tipping point. From what I've heard, mirrorless sales numbers aren't all there. While they have a small but vocal fan(boy) base, they aren't really being embraced by the public. bill Bill, I take so few shots that I've never run the X-E2 dry in less than a few days, but I can see how others might have issues with short battery life. The X-T1, if I read correctly, offers a common sense EVF mode whereby it only turns on when you put your eye to it (and the rear LCD is off all the time). Why it's taken them 4 or so years to implement this instead of the EVF on all the time mode they had is beyond me. When I'm street shooting I actually carry the camera turned off in my hand, then turn it on when I see a shot worth taking. As far as mirrorless sales go, from memory I will quote that in Asia and Europe DSLRs represent about 1/3 of camera sales, and mirrorless another 1/3. In the US, however, DSLRs are around 40% and mirrorless 15% (I'm on my phone and can't check actual values, so I might be off with the numbers, but the trend should be correct). The US is a huge market, but let's remember these camera makes are Asian, and if it sells there, they will keep making it. I was anti EVF until I spent a month shooting with the Panny G3 for a review. Then I went back to the K10D and wondered where the histogram and all the other info in the OVF had gone to. And why was it all off a sudden so hard to manually focus in low light??? Why was the OVF so dark??? Haven't looked back since. That's not to say I don't get the romanticism and directness of the OVF (I do love looking through my LX's viewfinder), it's just that a *good* EVF offers me more benefits. Ideally we'd have DSLR OVFs with lots of projected info, just like the Fuji X-Pro 1, but nobody seems to be in a hurry to develop that. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, but I won't buy one until they come out with a Full Frame model. Wah, wah, wah! ;-) On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Yeah, yeah, yeah :-P It won't surprise you, Bruce, that there are plenty of FF demanders amongst the Fuji crowd, which seems a bit silly given how much dedication they've shown the APS-C format since day 1. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
We haven't seen a lot of cost reduction so far from using EVFs. Take for example two roughly equivalent cameras an EVF Olympus OM-D EM-1 at 16mp and the K-5II. The cameras spec sheets are very similar, weather sealed, Magnesium alloy bodies, With really about equal IQ, both have weather sealing available battery grips, The Oly has arguably one of the best EVFs on a m43 camera, the Pentax one of the best OVFs on an APS-C DSLR. MSRP at introduction for each was within $100.00 of other. Now admittedly when you look at FF cameras, the Sony A7 twins sell for considerably less than the Nikon D800 and D610 but based on some of the reviews I've read, I think that Sony may have cut some corners in the imaging train to achieve those numbers, but where you can see roughly equivalent cameras one with an EVF and one with an OVF that have roughly the same build quality and image quality, they seem to sell for roughly the same price, and I expect they have roughly the same profit margin per unit. There are distinct advantages to both types of viewfinders, which I don't think I have to go into, you can prefer the advantages of either or use both or hate both and use Leica, if you can afford it. No matter what the advantages or disadvantages of EVFs may be, they will not replace OVFs until the manufacturing complexity and cost of a good EVF is significantly lower than a good Pentaprism OVF and based on pricing, which is the only real data I have, I think that using an EVF just replaces one source of cost and type of manufacturing complexity with another. The thought that EVFs have to be better, or even equal to OVFs as a user experience, to replace them isn't really an issue. I don't like EVFs all that much, but I've looked through the OM-D EM-1 viewfinder, as far as viewfinder quality is concerned, that EVF is good enough now, for most applications. As I said I don't like 'em, but if EVFs offered a big enough manufacturing advantage Pentaprism viewfinders would be gone tomorrow. On 1/28/2014 7:16 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: And I'm really not interested in an EVF, however hard they push it. Same for me. For now. But I expect EVF's will eventually get as good as optical viewfinders and will replace them – the elimination of the moving mirror, prism, etc. will make the cost reduction irresistible (though I'm skeptical of their effect on battery life). Now that I think about it I realize I got it backwards: EVF's will replace optical viewfinders and *then* they'll (eventually) get as good as optical viewfinders. I hope they'll get good enough before then. This new Fuji could be the tipping point. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Since the Fuji cameras were designed from the beginning with an APS-C sensor and a whole new lens mount so there is no existing base of lenses designed with a big enough image circle to cover a 24x36mm sensor, Demanding a FF solution is worse than silly. It would be like demanding that Olympus and Panasonic develop full frame 4:3 cameras. Those cameras are already full frame. On 1/28/2014 10:19 PM, Miserere wrote: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Nice, but I won't buy one until they come out with a Full Frame model. Wah, wah, wah! ;-) On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone else is welcome too, of course :-) http://www.fujirumors.com/wake-up-its-real-x-t1-announced-live-blogging-press-realease-pre-orders-and-more/ A digital LX? (Yeah, I know it's only APS-C, but this is a legitimate question.) Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Yeah, yeah, yeah :-P It won't surprise you, Bruce, that there are plenty of FF demanders amongst the Fuji crowd, which seems a bit silly given how much dedication they've shown the APS-C format since day 1. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
I don't believe in the notion that EVFs are primarily intended to be cost reduction. At the present time, they represent the second most expensive single component in these cameras, the primary imager sensor itself being the first most expensive. Inexpensive pentaprism viewfinder technology is very very mature and not particularly expensive. Pro-grade pentaprism viewfinder cameras do carry a hefty bit of premium based on the cost of the reflex viewfinder. In this regard, the Olympus E-M1 is very interesting… It replaces the E-5 model, shrinks the whole package in size/weight by about 30%, same build quality, has an improved sensor, better responsiveness, and the viewfinder is (to my eyes at least) substantially improved. And it does cost $400 less MSRP than the E-5 did on introduction … The real key is that EVFs are superior to reflex finders for formats that are smaller than 35mm FF. There are too many losses in illumination and viewfinder quality stemming from the reduction in focusing screen area. The Pentax K5/K3 have one of the best reflex viewfinders in the APS-C space, and how many times do people here wish for something bigger/brighter/etc to match their old 35mm film SLR? Simple physics precludes it … the illuminating source in an APS-C 100% coverage reflex viewfinder is only 45% the area of the 35mm format camera, so you're losing a little more than half the area, and thus half the light transmission. G On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:07 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: We haven't seen a lot of cost reduction so far from using EVFs. Take for example two roughly equivalent cameras an EVF Olympus OM-D EM-1 at 16mp and the K-5II. The cameras spec sheets are very similar, weather sealed, Magnesium alloy bodies, With really about equal IQ, both have weather sealing available battery grips, The Oly has arguably one of the best EVFs on a m43 camera, the Pentax one of the best OVFs on an APS-C DSLR. MSRP at introduction for each was within $100.00 of other. Now admittedly when you look at FF cameras, the Sony A7 twins sell for considerably less than the Nikon D800 and D610 but based on some of the reviews I've read, I think that Sony may have cut some corners in the imaging train to achieve those numbers, but where you can see roughly equivalent cameras one with an EVF and one with an OVF that have roughly the same build quality and image quality, they seem to sell for roughly the same price, and I expect they have roughly the same profit margin per unit. There are distinct advantages to both types of viewfinders, which I don't think I have to go into, you can prefer the advantages of either or use both or hate both and use Leica, if you can afford it. No matter what the advantages or disadvantages of EVFs may be, they will not replace OVFs until the manufacturing complexity and cost of a good EVF is significantly lower than a good Pentaprism OVF and based on pricing, which is the only real data I have, I think that using an EVF just replaces one source of cost and type of manufacturing complexity with another. The thought that EVFs have to be better, or even equal to OVFs as a user experience, to replace them isn't really an issue. I don't like EVFs all that much, but I've looked through the OM-D EM-1 viewfinder, as far as viewfinder quality is concerned, that EVF is good enough now, for most applications. As I said I don't like 'em, but if EVFs offered a big enough manufacturing advantage Pentaprism viewfinders would be gone tomorrow. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Re: Yo Cotty, check the new Fuji out!
Just another argument in favor of a FF DSLR from Pentax. bigger and brighter viewfinder. On 1/29/2014 1:30 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I don't believe in the notion that EVFs are primarily intended to be cost reduction. At the present time, they represent the second most expensive single component in these cameras, the primary imager sensor itself being the first most expensive. Inexpensive pentaprism viewfinder technology is very very mature and not particularly expensive. Pro-grade pentaprism viewfinder cameras do carry a hefty bit of premium based on the cost of the reflex viewfinder. In this regard, the Olympus E-M1 is very interesting… It replaces the E-5 model, shrinks the whole package in size/weight by about 30%, same build quality, has an improved sensor, better responsiveness, and the viewfinder is (to my eyes at least) substantially improved. And it does cost $400 less MSRP than the E-5 did on introduction … The real key is that EVFs are superior to reflex finders for formats that are smaller than 35mm FF. There are too many losses in illumination and viewfinder quality stemming from the reduction in focusing screen area. The Pentax K5/K3 have one of the best reflex viewfinders in the APS-C space, and how many times do people here wish for something bigger/brighter/etc to match their old 35mm film SLR? Simple physics precludes it … the illuminating source in an APS-C 100% coverage reflex viewfinder is only 45% the area of the 35mm format camera, so you're losing a little more than half the area, and thus half the light transmission. G On Jan 28, 2014, at 8:07 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: We haven't seen a lot of cost reduction so far from using EVFs. Take for example two roughly equivalent cameras an EVF Olympus OM-D EM-1 at 16mp and the K-5II. The cameras spec sheets are very similar, weather sealed, Magnesium alloy bodies, With really about equal IQ, both have weather sealing available battery grips, The Oly has arguably one of the best EVFs on a m43 camera, the Pentax one of the best OVFs on an APS-C DSLR. MSRP at introduction for each was within $100.00 of other. Now admittedly when you look at FF cameras, the Sony A7 twins sell for considerably less than the Nikon D800 and D610 but based on some of the reviews I've read, I think that Sony may have cut some corners in the imaging train to achieve those numbers, but where you can see roughly equivalent cameras one with an EVF and one with an OVF that have roughly the same build quality and image quality, they seem to sell for roughly the same price, and I expect they have roughly the same profit margin per unit. There are distinct advantages to both types of viewfinders, which I don't think I have to go into, you can prefer the advantages of either or use both or hate both and use Leica, if you can afford it. No matter what the advantages or disadvantages of EVFs may be, they will not replace OVFs until the manufacturing complexity and cost of a good EVF is significantly lower than a good Pentaprism OVF and based on pricing, which is the only real data I have, I think that using an EVF just replaces one source of cost and type of manufacturing complexity with another. The thought that EVFs have to be better, or even equal to OVFs as a user experience, to replace them isn't really an issue. I don't like EVFs all that much, but I've looked through the OM-D EM-1 viewfinder, as far as viewfinder quality is concerned, that EVF is good enough now, for most applications. As I said I don't like 'em, but if EVFs offered a big enough manufacturing advantage Pentaprism viewfinders would be gone tomorrow. -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty!!!
On 27/12/13, CollinB, discombobulated, unleashed: http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/ele/4238293683.html Wretched things -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty!!!
Oh, the pain! So much needless surgery! So much suffering! Rick On Dec 27, 2013, at 18:38 , CollinB wrote: http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/ele/4238293683.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Cotty, the model
From: Steve Cottrell On 14/5/13, Ann Sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed: couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/ 21847075_D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large I never push against a locked door ;-) http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/NatSci102/NatSci102/images/extinstruct_files/image002.gif -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Cotty, the model
On 14/5/13, Ann Sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed: couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/ 21847075_D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large I never push against a locked door ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Cotty, the model
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: I would love to have lunch with you on the premises! Paul I'd love to have lunch anywhere. Dave On May 15, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Marvelous image, really carries the flavor of that locale. Glad to see you are up and about. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Peso - Cotty, the model
Appealing somehow. The contrast between the 2 styles of doors are part of the appeal but so is the missing-teeth smile. Hope they open soon, seems like it is worth the walk? Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Peso - Cotty, the model couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_ D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Cotty, the model
Nice image, Ann. Well rendered as well. Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:27 PM Subject: Peso - Cotty, the model couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Cotty, the model
On 5/15/2013 06:54, Gerrit Visser wrote: Appealing somehow. The contrast between the 2 styles of doors are part of the appeal but so is the missing-teeth smile. oops I didn't notice missing teeth - ( sorry, Cotters! Guess I haven't quite got my eyes back.) Hope they open soon, seems like it is worth the walk? Gerrit The walk was an end in itself. Didn't relaly get any good shots - this was just for the joke. ann -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Peso - Cotty, the model couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_ D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Cotty, the model
Marvelous image, really carries the flavor of that locale. Glad to see you are up and about. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Cotty, the model
I would love to have lunch with you on the premises! Paul On May 15, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Marvelous image, really carries the flavor of that locale. Glad to see you are up and about. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:27 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Peso - Cotty, the model
I don't think that missing the missing bits is due to your eye sight. I often find interesting artifacts only when I peruse photos long after taking the shot. Your are intent on framing etc during the shooting process, not always the tiny details. Joke or not, the result is a pleasant photo. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Peso - Cotty, the model On 5/15/2013 06:54, Gerrit Visser wrote: Appealing somehow. The contrast between the 2 styles of doors are part of the appeal but so is the missing-teeth smile. oops I didn't notice missing teeth - ( sorry, Cotters! Guess I haven't quite got my eyes back.) Hope they open soon, seems like it is worth the walk? Gerrit The walk was an end in itself. Didn't relaly get any good shots - this was just for the joke. ann -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Peso - Cotty, the model couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/218 47075_ D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Cotty, the model
Looking good. The eye is working as well as the eye. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 9 Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 23:27:37 -0400 From: Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: Peso - Cotty, the model Message-ID:519300a9.2080...@nyc.rr.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso - Cotty, the model
Thanks, Gerrit I note that cotty has yet to um comment :-) Yes - I agree about missing bits - I chose the subject because of Cotty, but I framed and cropped a bit to at least offer good geometry. Funny about the (lack of) teeth, now that I think about it, I tend not to notice peoples teeth at all behind a camera or not. Facial structure and eyes are what I zone in on. ann On 5/15/2013 10:17, Gerrit Visser wrote: I don't think that missing the missing bits is due to your eye sight. I often find interesting artifacts only when I peruse photos long after taking the shot. Your are intent on framing etc during the shooting process, not always the tiny details. Joke or not, the result is a pleasant photo. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Peso - Cotty, the model On 5/15/2013 06:54, Gerrit Visser wrote: Appealing somehow. The contrast between the 2 styles of doors are part of the appeal but so is the missing-teeth smile. oops I didn't notice missing teeth - ( sorry, Cotters! Guess I haven't quite got my eyes back.) Hope they open soon, seems like it is worth the walk? Gerrit The walk was an end in itself. Didn't relaly get any good shots - this was just for the joke. ann -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:28 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Peso - Cotty, the model couldn't resist this - I had taken a walk downdown to the south street seaport, which is still pretty much not in operation. Not exactly the first peso after surgery I imagined I'd show but... http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/218 47075_ D88Ngw/1/2513188487_WgLJDBp/Large ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
On Mar 22, 2013, at 04:17 , Igor Roshchin wrote: Heh!.. The trend of the last 5-7 years (at least in the US) is to stretch 4:3 TV programs to the widescreen 16:9 TV sets. It's done at the bars, airports, hotels (and fixed, so that you cannot change it back to how it should be. I think thee is a conspiracy out there: if you see all people (news anchors, talk show hosts, etc.) much fatter then they are, people don't feel as bad about themselves being overweight. It is an antidote to seeing Barbies everywhere around. But race cars (F-1 especially) look super cool when 23 feet long and 12 feet wide! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
On 21/3/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://xkcd.com/1187/ LOL! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
Heh!.. The trend of the last 5-7 years (at least in the US) is to stretch 4:3 TV programs to the widescreen 16:9 TV sets. It's done at the bars, airports, hotels (and fixed, so that you cannot change it back to how it should be. I think thee is a conspiracy out there: if you see all people (news anchors, talk show hosts, etc.) much fatter then they are, people don't feel as bad about themselves being overweight. It is an antidote to seeing Barbies everywhere around. Igor Thu Mar 21 20:06:27 EDT 2013 Mark Roberts wrote: http://xkcd.com/1187/ -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty: Amateur version of GoPro
On 2/8/2013 5:48 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 7/2/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://solsticevisuals.com/post/41297830142/the-opposite-of-go-pro Like the duct tape. Gaffer's tape would seem more appropriate, wouldn't it? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty: Amateur version of GoPro
On 7/2/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: http://solsticevisuals.com/post/41297830142/the-opposite-of-go-pro Like the duct tape. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Producion --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty: Amateur version of GoPro
Looks legit. Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: http://solsticevisuals.com/post/41297830142/the-opposite-of-go-pro https://www.facebook.com/zosxaviusphotography -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cotty and Kitty
Nice Dave On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Postmaster postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Warning: Cat photo http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01535.jpg The man and his dear, now-departed cat Duki. From our visit to chez Cotty last month. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cotty and Kitty
Looks comfy. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:13 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Nice Dave On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Postmaster postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Warning: Cat photo http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01535.jpg The man and his dear, now-departed cat Duki. From our visit to chez Cotty last month. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cotty and Kitty
Yes, Cotty forced his cat to SLEEP ON THE COMFY CHAIR! Oh, Felinedom. Cheers Mike On Feb 26, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Looks comfy. On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:13 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Nice Dave On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Postmaster postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Warning: Cat photo http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01535.jpg The man and his dear, now-departed cat Duki. From our visit to chez Cotty last month. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cotty and Kitty
Why are they both turning their backs on us? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Postmaster postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Warning: Cat photo http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01535.jpg The man and his dear, now-departed cat Duki. From our visit to chez Cotty last month. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cotty and Kitty
oooh so sad... ann On 2/25/2012 12:55, Postmaster wrote: Warning: Cat photo http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01535.jpg The man and his dear, now-departed cat Duki. From our visit to chez Cotty last month. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cotty and Kitty
On 25/2/12, Postmaster, discombobulated, unleashed: Warning: Cat photo http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01535.jpg The man and his dear, now-departed cat Duki. From our visit to chez Cotty last month. Thanks mate - I enjoyed that. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Cotty and Kitty
Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Why are they both turning their backs on us? I'm showing his best side. rimshot -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO: Cotty and Kitty
Wonderful photo. Sorry to hear of your loss, Cotty. Love the pdml sticker... :-) cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Postmaster postmas...@robertstech.com Sent: February 25, 2012 2/25/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Cotty and Kitty Warning: Cat photo http://www.robertstech.com/temp/7dc01535.jpg The man and his dear, now-departed cat Duki. From our visit to chez Cotty last month. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
But now they only block the sun They rain and snow on everyone So many things I would have done But clouds got in my way From: P. J. Alling Everybody want's me to put my faith it the cloud. I want to build my own server farm. On 7/31/2011 10:24 AM, David Parsons wrote: Microsoft online apps, they've only been trying to get that up for the last 15 years. I wouldn't necessarily trust MS with hosted data any more than Google. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote: No comment necessary http://youtu.be/OrkAuwaoFGg -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1390 / Virus Database: 1518/3801 - Release Date: 07/31/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
On 29/7/11, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: No comment necessary http://youtu.be/OrkAuwaoFGg Only just seen this (been busy). Superb. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
Microsoft online apps, they've only been trying to get that up for the last 15 years. I wouldn't necessarily trust MS with hosted data any more than Google. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: No comment necessary http://youtu.be/OrkAuwaoFGg -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
Everybody want's me to put my faith it the cloud. I want to build my own server farm. On 7/31/2011 10:24 AM, David Parsons wrote: Microsoft online apps, they've only been trying to get that up for the last 15 years. I wouldn't necessarily trust MS with hosted data any more than Google. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote: No comment necessary http://youtu.be/OrkAuwaoFGg -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
Just imagine being a server-poke, riding around the great open spaces in Montana, herding and roping those servers. Ah, server-farming would be the life. On 11-07-31 1:16 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Everybody want's me to put my faith it the cloud. I want to build my own server farm. On 7/31/2011 10:24 AM, David Parsons wrote: Microsoft online apps, they've only been trying to get that up for the last 15 years. I wouldn't necessarily trust MS with hosted data any more than Google. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote: No comment necessary http://youtu.be/OrkAuwaoFGg -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
Oh, I'd trust MS *far* less than Google. I'm sure Google data-mine everything I search for, follow links to, etc. But I'm equally sure that they take very serious precautions to prevent that data leaking outside the Googleplex; using that data to target ads for their Google ad service is what allows them to charge premium prices. Even so, I can't understand how some people will quite happily use gmail, Google docs, etc. for company-confidential information. I won't do that. On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:24:21AM -0400, David Parsons wrote: Microsoft online apps, they've only been trying to get that up for the last 15 years. I wouldn't necessarily trust MS with hosted data any more than Google. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: No comment necessary http://youtu.be/OrkAuwaoFGg -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
On 2011-07-31 14:42, Bruce Walker wrote: Just imagine being a server-poke, riding around the great open spaces in Montana, herding and roping those servers. Servers don't crap on the floor, but cows don't start fires as often. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 05:11:29PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2011-07-31 14:42, Bruce Walker wrote: Just imagine being a server-poke, riding around the great open spaces in Montana, herding and roping those servers. Servers don't crap on the floor, but cows don't start fires as often. :-) Tell that to the folks in Chicago ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
On Jul 31, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Just imagine being a server-poke, riding around the great open spaces in Montana, herding and roping those servers. Ah, server-farming would be the life. Everybody want's me to put my faith it the cloud. I want to build my own server farm. What you are describing Bruce sounds more like ranching to me. Farming involves more concentration smaller more tightly controlled spreads, many more fences, much tighter control over the livestock, and more of a focus on cash crops in lieu of livestock. Server farming sounds like something Google or MS would do. I am not sure if anyone does server ranching anymore since the heydays of peer-to-peer music exchange. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
On 7/31/2011 19:19, John Francis wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 05:11:29PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2011-07-31 14:42, Bruce Walker wrote: Just imagine being a server-poke, riding around the great open spaces in Montana, herding and roping those servers. Servers don't crap on the floor, but cows don't start fires as often. :-) Tell that to the folks in Chicago ... wel , he did say [not] as often.. Just occured to me the expression kicked the bucket may well have come from that 1871 event. Chicago...ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: For Cotty
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:50:19PM -0400, Ann Sanfedele wrote: On 7/31/2011 19:19, John Francis wrote: On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 05:11:29PM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2011-07-31 14:42, Bruce Walker wrote: Just imagine being a server-poke, riding around the great open spaces in Montana, herding and roping those servers. Servers don't crap on the floor, but cows don't start fires as often. :-) Tell that to the folks in Chicago ... wel , he did say [not] as often.. Just occured to me the expression kicked the bucket may well have come from that 1871 event. Unlikely, as it shows up in at least one dictionary almost 100 years earlier. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/9/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ Oh dear, Frank: http://www.flickr.com/groups/737...@n24/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ Excellent. Further proof that cycling helmets are only meant for children and Tour de France riders. Too much parody. I can only see one bike that is (possibly; there's not much of it to see) worthy of the dress code. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 9/5/09, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. And surviving another week the garden weed. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ Excellent. Further proof that cycling helmets are only meant for children and Tour de France riders. Found that one guy who didn't get the memo. http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225419029/in/set-72157 612934832373/ his mother must have dropped him on his head when he was a baby. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ Excellent. Further proof that cycling helmets are only meant for children and Tour de France riders. Found that one guy who didn't get the memo. http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225419029/in/set-72157 612934832373/ his mother must have dropped him on his head when he was a baby. this chap appears to be enjoying himself, but one of his chums really needs to give him the name of a decent barber. And yet, for some reason I find myself strangely drawn to him... http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225420577/in/set-72157612934832373/ Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/10/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: this chap appears to be enjoying himself, but one of his chums really needs to give him the name of a decent barber. And yet, for some reason I find myself strangely drawn to him... http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225420577/in/set-72157612934832373/ That chap's no chap, chap. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/10/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: this chap appears to be enjoying himself, but one of his chums really needs to give him the name of a decent barber. And yet, for some reason I find myself strangely drawn to him... http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225420577/in/set-72157612934832373/ Here are two more of that same fellow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3226277168/in/set-72157612934832373/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3226277660/in/set-72157612934832373/ -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
this chap appears to be enjoying himself, but one of his chums really needs to give him the name of a decent barber. And yet, for some reason I find myself strangely drawn to him... http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225420577/in/set-72157 612934832373/ Here are two more of that same fellow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3226277168/in/set-72157 612934832373/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3226277660/in/set-72157 612934832373/ Very well saddled he is, too! Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 10/5/09, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: Here are two more of that same fellow. http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3226277168/in/set-72157612934832373/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3226277660/in/set-72157612934832373/ You goddam prevert Loveless!!! Thanks. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
You supposed to have a gear shift on that? Looks like a hanger on the frame for a shift. Pretty bike... Regards, Bob S. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/9/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/9/09, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: You supposed to have a gear shift on that? Looks like a hanger on the frame for a shift. Pretty bike... Regards, Bob S. Thanks, Bob. There are some cable guides, but it's a single speed at the moment. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ Excellent. Further proof that cycling helmets are only meant for children and Tour de France riders. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On May 9, 2009, at 17:07, Bob W wrote: http://picasaweb.google.com/sdloveless/1939?feat=directlink I feel the need, the need for tweed. that's another great looking bike. There is a bit of a fashion at the moment for retro cyclewear. I saw a chap last week on a beautiful old English 3-speed who was dressed in tweeds and wool. Kind of spoiled it a bit with the Ron Hill track pants though. http://www.tweed.cc/ Some people in Minnesota go completely retro every Spring. http://www.3speedtour.com/ No lycra allowed! :-) -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/9/09, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: Some people in Minnesota go completely retro every Spring. http://www.3speedtour.com/ No lycra allowed! :-) Lycra should never be allowed. Ever. On anyone. Except for that lady a few doors down who never wears lycra. She should be required. -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hey, Cotty! I found another bike in the basement.
On 5/9/09, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Thanks, Bob. Here's some more tweedy goodness: http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/sets/72157612934832373/ Excellent. Further proof that cycling helmets are only meant for children and Tour de France riders. Found that one guy who didn't get the memo. http://www.flickr.com/photos/roxysreal/3225419029/in/set-72157612934832373/ -- Scott Loveless Cigarette-free since December 14th, 2008 http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
