Re: Hoya and Pentax
From: Ralf R. Radermacher Bruce Walker wrote: By what measure do you assert that the K10/K20/K7 sensors are _mediocre_? The Sony sensor of the K10D was alright and in line with what everybody else was using at the time. The K20D's Samsung sensor was indeed mediocre when it was introduced and it was hopelessly outdated by the time it was recycled for the K-7. It should never have been used in that camera. The K-x, presented only a few weeks later and with a Sony sensor again, had far better noise performance and dynamic range. If I remember correctly, at the time of the Samsung deal, there were concerns that Sony was manipulating the availability of sensors to the detriment of competitors. It would make sense to not rely on a competitor for the heart & soul of your own product, especially if there were questions about the competitor's fair dealing. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
On Oct 10, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Bob W wrote: >> >> > > 7 = sept > > je deteste cet exercice. I hate this exercise. Ah, thanks. My French consists of just enough Spanish to order lunch in a Taqueria. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hoya and Pentax
> On a related topic, do the French use different acronyms when they > text? > > >>> > >>> yes. A couple of years ago when I started to warm up my French > again, the > >>> teacher spent some time going through various types of French > yoofspeak, > >>> including text language. She asked us to come up with some text > messages of > >>> our own and didn't seem very amused by my effort: je Dtest 7 exR6. > >> > >> Mais, c'est magnifique! > > > > I detest T(? L? the? to?) exercise? > > Duh! T == te, your. I detest your exercise. > 7 = sept je deteste cet exercice. I hate this exercise. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 04:44:41PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 2:36 PM, mike wilson wrote: > > > >> On 08/10/2011 19:55, Bob W wrote: > From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Steven Desjardins > > " As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-)" > > On a related topic, do the French use different acronyms when they > text? > > >>> > >>> yes. A couple of years ago when I started to warm up my French again, the > >>> teacher spent some time going through various types of French yoofspeak, > >>> including text language. She asked us to come up with some text messages > >>> of > >>> our own and didn't seem very amused by my effort: je Dtest 7 exR6. > >> > >> Mais, c'est magnifique! > > > > I detest T(? L? the? to?) exercise? > > Duh! T == te, your. I detest your exercise. Or, perhaps, 7 == sept, sounds like cet[te] (this/that). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:31 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Oct 9, 2011, at 2:36 PM, mike wilson wrote: > >> On 08/10/2011 19:55, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steven Desjardins " As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-)" On a related topic, do the French use different acronyms when they text? >>> >>> yes. A couple of years ago when I started to warm up my French again, the >>> teacher spent some time going through various types of French yoofspeak, >>> including text language. She asked us to come up with some text messages of >>> our own and didn't seem very amused by my effort: je Dtest 7 exR6. >> >> Mais, c'est magnifique! > > I detest T(? L? the? to?) exercise? Duh! T == te, your. I detest your exercise. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
On Oct 9, 2011, at 2:36 PM, mike wilson wrote: > On 08/10/2011 19:55, Bob W wrote: >>> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of >>> Steven Desjardins >>> >>> " As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-)" >>> >>> On a related topic, do the French use different acronyms when they >>> text? >>> >> >> yes. A couple of years ago when I started to warm up my French again, the >> teacher spent some time going through various types of French yoofspeak, >> including text language. She asked us to come up with some text messages of >> our own and didn't seem very amused by my effort: je Dtest 7 exR6. > > Mais, c'est magnifique! I detest T(? L? the? to?) exercise? > > > -- > No fixed Adobe > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
Bruce Walker wrote: > By what measure do you assert that the K10/K20/K7 sensors are > _mediocre_? The Sony sensor of the K10D was alright and in line with what everybody else was using at the time. The K20D's Samsung sensor was indeed mediocre when it was introduced and it was hopelessly outdated by the time it was recycled for the K-7. It should never have been used in that camera. The K-x, presented only a few weeks later and with a Sony sensor again, had far better noise performance and dynamic range. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
On 08/10/2011 19:55, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Steven Desjardins " As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-)" On a related topic, do the French use different acronyms when they text? yes. A couple of years ago when I started to warm up my French again, the teacher spent some time going through various types of French yoofspeak, including text language. She asked us to come up with some text messages of our own and didn't seem very amused by my effort: je Dtest 7 exR6. Mais, c'est magnifique! -- No fixed Adobe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hoya and Pentax
> From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of > Steven Desjardins > > " As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-)" > > On a related topic, do the French use different acronyms when they > text? > yes. A couple of years ago when I started to warm up my French again, the teacher spent some time going through various types of French yoofspeak, including text language. She asked us to come up with some text messages of our own and didn't seem very amused by my effort: je Dtest 7 exR6. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
" As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-)" On a related topic, do the French use different acronyms when they text? > > Stig Vidar Hovland > > Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] på vegne av P. J. > Alling [webstertwenty...@gmail.com] > Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 06:51 > Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Emne: Re: Hoya and Pentax > > The Japanese don't really care what sounds like in English. > > On 10/6/2011 6:43 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: >> (I still can't believe they called it the Pentax Ricoh Imaging >> Company. Didn't one single exec pronounce the acronym out loud?) > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
Jim, Ladcriff? Yes very close. I only knew they were talking about him because they would say Tom Ladcriff for Tom Radcliff, and the Tom wasn't too badly pronounced. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Jim King wrote: > > Bob Sullivan wrote on Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:53:01 -0700 > >> I had a friend with a last name of Radcliff. >> He went to work in Japan for a year or 18 months. >> They absolutely murdered his last name. >> Regards, Bob S. > > Ladcriff? > * > Jim King > jamesk8...@mac.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
On 2011-10-07 20:23, William Robb wrote: The American company that I work for actually has an acronym manual that is recommended reading to allow us to communicate with each other. I work for IBM. Once upon a time, they had entire racks of such manuals. They converted them to electronic form on the intranet. Then they hid them behind undiscoverable, inscrutable search terms so that they would never again see the light of day. Ah the joys of working in a bureaucracy. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 06/10/2011 11:41 PM, SV Hovland wrote: As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-) The American company that I work for actually has an acronym manual that is recommended reading to allow us to communicate with each other. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Hoya and Pentax
> > I had a friend with a last name of Radcliff. > He went to work in Japan for a year or 18 months. > They absolutely murdered his last name. > Regards, Bob S. > Coulda been worse. At least he wasn't called Larry Raleigh-O'Reilly. B > On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:31 PM, John Sessoms > wrote: > > From: "P. J. Alling" > > > >> The Japanese don't really care what sounds like in English. > > > > The Japanese wouldn't pronounce that way in English anyway. They > substitute > > 'R' and 'L' for each other. According to Wikipedia it's because both > sounds > > use the same consonant in Japanese. > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above > and > > follow the directions. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Let me rephrase that. The Japanese don't care what that sounds like in Engrish. On 10/7/2011 1:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: "P. J. Alling" The Japanese don't really care what sounds like in English. The Japanese wouldn't pronounce that way in English anyway. They substitute 'R' and 'L' for each other. According to Wikipedia it's because both sounds use the same consonant in Japanese. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
Bob Sullivan wrote on Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:53:01 -0700 > I had a friend with a last name of Radcliff. > He went to work in Japan for a year or 18 months. > They absolutely murdered his last name. > Regards, Bob S. Ladcriff? * Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had a friend with a last name of Radcliff. He went to work in Japan for a year or 18 months. They absolutely murdered his last name. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:31 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: "P. J. Alling" > >> The Japanese don't really care what sounds like in English. > > The Japanese wouldn't pronounce that way in English anyway. They substitute > 'R' and 'L' for each other. According to Wikipedia it's because both sounds > use the same consonant in Japanese. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
From: "P. J. Alling" The Japanese don't really care what sounds like in English. The Japanese wouldn't pronounce that way in English anyway. They substitute 'R' and 'L' for each other. According to Wikipedia it's because both sounds use the same consonant in Japanese. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-10-07 9:30, Charles Robinson wrote: On Oct 7, 2011, at 0:41, SV Hovland wrote: As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-) You mean OACAA... You could join the A: Allied Association Against the Abuse of Acronyms. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Oct 7, 2011, at 0:41, SV Hovland wrote: > As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-) > You mean OACAA... -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As I understand it, only americans care about acronyms :-) Stig Vidar Hovland Fra: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] på vegne av P. J. Alling [webstertwenty...@gmail.com] Sendt: 7. oktober 2011 06:51 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Hoya and Pentax The Japanese don't really care what sounds like in English. On 10/6/2011 6:43 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > (I still can't believe they called it the Pentax Ricoh Imaging > Company. Didn't one single exec pronounce the acronym out loud?) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Maybe it's a hidden message. LOL. Marnie In a message dated 10/6/2011 3:43:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bruce.wal...@gmail.com writes: (I still can't believe they called it the Pentax Ricoh Imaging Company. Didn't one single exec pronounce the acronym out loud?) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
The Japanese don't really care what sounds like in English. On 10/6/2011 6:43 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: [I really should resist the urge, but alas I cannot ...] On 11-10-06 5:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote: It's interesting to see what Hoya has done for Pentax: They've taken them from mediocre sensors (K10/K20/K7) to good ones (K-x, K-r, K-5) By what measure do you assert that the K10/K20/K7 sensors are _mediocre_? Because they don't measure up to the K-5? In that case *all* APS-C sensors in all cameras from all manufacturers that predate the K-5 are mediocre. No? Then compared to the then-current competitive sensors? When the K20D arrived, it was widely praised for the quality of its sensor. Crusty old Mike Johnson was moved to actually purchase one for himself, and he's hard to please. In every way it's the IQ equivalent of its contemporary the Nikon D90, an excellent camera and quite likely Nikon's best selling APS-C body. Keeping up with the state of the art is not mediocre. Pushing up the state of the art, as the K-5 did, could be called outstanding. I only draw this out because encountering that first flawed assertion makes me disinclined to read the rest, which as it turns out I agree with. They finally brought out the 645D. It seems to be such a good camera that everyone who has one spends all of their time taking pictures rather than hanging out on PDML. They brought out the K-5 which is a no-apologies APS sensor DSL. They brought out the Q, which seems to amaze everyone with its build quality, image quality and ergonomics. Then they sold the company to Ricoh, who actually seems to care about the digital camera market. So what are we to conclude? Maybe we can expect some really earth-shattering improvements and announcements from Pentax/Ricoh. (I still can't believe they called it the Pentax Ricoh Imaging Company. Didn't one single exec pronounce the acronym out loud?) -bmw -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Hoya and Pentax
On 10/6/2011 3:43 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: [I really should resist the urge, but alas I cannot ...] On 11-10-06 5:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote: It's interesting to see what Hoya has done for Pentax: They've taken them from mediocre sensors (K10/K20/K7) to good ones (K-x, K-r, K-5) By what measure do you assert that the K10/K20/K7 sensors are _mediocre_? Because they don't measure up to the K-5? In that case *all* APS-C sensors in all cameras from all manufacturers that predate the K-5 are mediocre. No? OK, it's quite possible that I had a bad sensor. I just could never get the K20 to perform up to what I wanted/needed. However, I have heard a lot of complaints from other people about the performance of the samsung sensors. Then compared to the then-current competitive sensors? When the K20D arrived, it was widely praised for the quality of its sensor. Crusty old Mike Johnson was moved to actually purchase one for himself, and he's hard to please. In every way it's the IQ equivalent of its contemporary the Nikon D90, an excellent camera and quite likely Nikon's best selling APS-C body. Keeping up with the state of the art is not mediocre. Pushing up the state of the art, as the K-5 did, could be called outstanding. Perhaps the K-x, K-r and K-5 so totally spoiled me, that my idea of "decent" performance was thrown out of whack. I'm shocked by how often I'll look at photos taken with my K-x these days, and lament the poor high-ISO performance. I only draw this out because encountering that first flawed assertion makes me disinclined to read the rest, which as it turns out I agree with. They finally brought out the 645D. It seems to be such a good camera that everyone who has one spends all of their time taking pictures rather than hanging out on PDML. They brought out the K-5 which is a no-apologies APS sensor DSL. They brought out the Q, which seems to amaze everyone with its build quality, image quality and ergonomics. Then they sold the company to Ricoh, who actually seems to care about the digital camera market. So what are we to conclude? Maybe we can expect some really earth-shattering improvements and announcements from Pentax/Ricoh. (I still can't believe they called it the Pentax Ricoh Imaging Company. Didn't one single exec pronounce the acronym out loud?) -bmw -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[I really should resist the urge, but alas I cannot ...] On 11-10-06 5:47 PM, Larry Colen wrote: It's interesting to see what Hoya has done for Pentax: They've taken them from mediocre sensors (K10/K20/K7) to good ones (K-x, K-r, K-5) By what measure do you assert that the K10/K20/K7 sensors are _mediocre_? Because they don't measure up to the K-5? In that case *all* APS-C sensors in all cameras from all manufacturers that predate the K-5 are mediocre. No? Then compared to the then-current competitive sensors? When the K20D arrived, it was widely praised for the quality of its sensor. Crusty old Mike Johnson was moved to actually purchase one for himself, and he's hard to please. In every way it's the IQ equivalent of its contemporary the Nikon D90, an excellent camera and quite likely Nikon's best selling APS-C body. Keeping up with the state of the art is not mediocre. Pushing up the state of the art, as the K-5 did, could be called outstanding. I only draw this out because encountering that first flawed assertion makes me disinclined to read the rest, which as it turns out I agree with. They finally brought out the 645D. It seems to be such a good camera that everyone who has one spends all of their time taking pictures rather than hanging out on PDML. They brought out the K-5 which is a no-apologies APS sensor DSL. They brought out the Q, which seems to amaze everyone with its build quality, image quality and ergonomics. Then they sold the company to Ricoh, who actually seems to care about the digital camera market. So what are we to conclude? Maybe we can expect some really earth-shattering improvements and announcements from Pentax/Ricoh. (I still can't believe they called it the Pentax Ricoh Imaging Company. Didn't one single exec pronounce the acronym out loud?) -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
